Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-06-13 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Could we define boundary=urban then? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-28 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I see, for this you'd most probably need a new boundary type (if it isn't the same as your administrative boundaries). +1 type=boundary + boundary=? Pieren ___

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 1:48 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com: Hello everyone, From time to time there's a discussion in the Brazilian community on how to tag an urban perimeter. In Brazil, this is a legally defined area with some defined characteristics, such as: - different kind

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: For settlements (in urbanism / settlement geographic terms) my suggestion is to use place=* on an area. There is one problem when using place: people start to duplicate data. What is already present/available in

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know in Brazil, but in Italy or Germany the maxspeed for built-up areas does not correspond perfectly with the settlement extension but is indeed yet another thing to consider. It is basically defined by

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Fernando Trebien
I like Nelson's idea of using a new value for boundary to represent this, mainly because the perimeter is not ground truth but an invisible legal definition that roughly matches the urbanized area. I was wondering if this concept exists elsewhere so that we can even propose such value in a way

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 15:01 GMT+02:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: For settlements (in urbanism / settlement geographic terms) my suggestion is to use place=* on an area. There is one problem when using

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 15:37 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com: I like Nelson's idea of using a new value for boundary to represent this, mainly because the perimeter is not ground truth but an invisible legal definition that roughly matches the urbanized area. IMHO the extension of

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote: I like Nelson's idea of using a new value for boundary to represent this, mainly because the perimeter is not ground truth but an invisible legal definition that roughly matches the urbanized area. I was

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: That's the point. Is it legal or just the sum of all urbanized landuse 's (residential, industrial, retail). Does it include backyards, garden, orchard, etc ? The limit is often clear on the road (first/last building + road

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 17:44 GMT+02:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com: The urban limit/boundary is legal (defined by law) here in Brazil. It may englobe areas that still lack a specific use or are not yet populated. It's not only a simple sum of the landuses. It determines, for example, the area

Re: [Tagging] Urban perimeter

2014-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-05-27 17:53 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com: The urban perimeter is a major factor used by transit authorities to establish maximum speeds, but not the only criteria for that. So yes, you do find a few high speed highways on the urban side and a few low speed areas