Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Ed Hillsman ehills...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:04:11 +1100, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I think storage and self-storage imply different things. The former would be warehousing etc for business customers, and the latter for the general public. That said, I'd be inclined to go with amenity=storage for both, with some subtag like self_storage=yes where appropriate. We should have less top-level tags. I had been inclined to avoid amenity= because of the volume of past comments on other proposals, concerned about the number of amenity values. But amenity=storage makes sense. Because so many self-storage facilities are businesses, owned by different companies, landuse= is less appropriate. Amenity=storage would lie within landuse=commercial or, in some instances landuse=industrial, with operator= or name= for the firm, and self_storage=yes. Internal driveways, parking, buildings, and external fences and gates could be mapped if desired. I agree with most of what's been said- I'm fine with either amenity=storage or amenity=self-storage, so long as with the former there's a subtag. I'd also suggest that since self-storage is usually commercial, we encourage the standard set of tags for businesses, including name (or operator), hours, website, etc.) - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
A bit OT, but the minute I started reading this thread, I couldn't help but think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
At 2010-12-11 14:29, Nathan Edgars II wrote: There is some use of http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/amenity=storage but I don't know if any (except for the ones I tagged) are used for this type of facility. I've been using amenity=storage. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
At 2010-12-11 15:04, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: I'd take the view that amenity implies a degree of personal access, so I reckon amenity=storage is probably sufficient rather than risk unnecessary typos with underscores. I think storage and self-storage imply different things. The former would be warehousing etc for business customers, and the latter for the general public. I don't think there is such a division. Both companies and individuals store things in the same places. Some places that cater more to commercial customers may offer enhanced services, like cold storage, which could be added with additional tags, but I doubt they care whether you're just some guy, some guy with a fictitious firm name filed, some incorporated guy, or some guy working for a huge corporation. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
self-storage would be the usual term in en-gb photo of one attached (not in OSM - yet) Richard On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Ed Hillsman ehills...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Is there a recommended way to tag self-storage facilities? The closest I've been able to find is the tag landuse=garages (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tag:landuse%3Dgarages) but the wiki discussion is of car storage, and the discussion of the proposal for that tag seems to indicate that it was intended to tag extensive garage areas in residential areas. In the US, we have similar structures, but they typically are located in commercial or retail areas; are owned and operated by private firms charging rent for space; and are probably used more for storing household furnishings, clothing, and other items than they are for storing cars. Access to the individual storage units is typically through a locked gate. These facilities occupy a substantial amount of territory in some suburban areas. I'm willing to draft a proposal if there isn't already a way to tag these, and if someone can advise me on the British English term for these facilities. I agree with a number of the comments on the landuse=garages proposal that landuse= is probably not the right category for this kind of service, but shop= doesn't seem right either. Thanks. Ed HIllsman ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging attachment: BotleySelfStorage.JPG___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
So, landuse=self_storage would probably be the way to tag them, using out convention of underscores as separators. Self-storage is also the standard USA term for such facilities. From my personal experience, they typically have several different sizes of enclosed spaces available, some opening directly to the outdoors (as in the photo) and some off interior hallways. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities From :mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com Date :Sat Dec 11 16:09:29 America/Chicago 2010 self-storage would be the usual term in en-gb photo of one attached (not in OSM - yet) Richard On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Ed Hillsman ehills...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Is there a recommended way to tag self-storage facilities? The closest I've been able to find is the tag landuse=garages (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tag:landuse%3Dgarages) but the wiki discussion is of car storage, and the discussion of the proposal for that tag seems to indicate that it was intended to tag extensive garage areas in residential areas. In the US, we have similar structures, but they typically are located in commercial or retail areas; are owned and operated by private firms charging rent for space; and are probably used more for storing household furnishings, clothing, and other items than they are for storing cars. Access to the individual storage units is typically through a locked gate. These facilities occupy a substantial amount of territory in some suburban areas. I'm willing to draft a proposal if there isn't already a way to tag these, and if someone can advise me on the British English term for these facilities. I agree with a number of the comments on the landuse=garages proposal that landuse= is probably not the right category for this kind of service, but shop= doesn't seem right either. Thanks. Ed HIllsman ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: So, landuse=self_storage would probably be the way to tag them, using out convention of underscores as separators. Self-storage is also the standard USA term for such facilities. From my personal experience, they typically have several different sizes of enclosed spaces available, some opening directly to the outdoors (as in the photo) and some off interior hallways. Why landuse? It's generally going to be located inside a larger landuse area of commercial or industrial, and could be as small as a standard office building. There is some use of http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/amenity=storage but I don't know if any (except for the ones I tagged) are used for this type of facility. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
On 12/11/10 5:19 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: So, landuse=self_storage would probably be the way to tag them, using out convention of underscores as separators. Self-storage is also the standard USA term for such facilities. From my personal experience, they typically have several different sizes of enclosed spaces available, some opening directly to the outdoors (as in the photo) and some off interior hallways. i think we want to think about this a little more. there are many of these that are standalone facilities. however, there are others which are not, but rather places that have self-storage in addition to other stuff. two examples: Mabey's Moving and Storage: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=mabey%27s+moving+and+storage,+rensselaer+nysll=43.612217,-73.740234sspn=18.599719,46.40625ie=UTF8hq=mabey%27s+moving+and+storage,hnear=Rensselaer,+New+Yorkll=42.645592,-73.708949spn=0.004617,0.01133t=hz=17 part of this complex is self storage, part of it is Mabey's dock for transfer to moving vans, part of it Mabey's offices. U-Haul Moving and Storage of Albany: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=enq=U-Haul,sll=42.6412,-73.750987sspn=0.001105,0.003854ie=UTF8t=hrq=1ev=psplit=1radius=0.12hq=U-Haul,hnear=ll=42.6412,-73.750987spn=0.001105,0.003854z=19 this location has a store for moving/storage/towing supplies, truck rental, and self-storage richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Why landuse? It's generally going to be located inside a larger landuse area of commercial or industrial, and could be as small as a standard office building. There is some use of http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/amenity=storage but I don't know if any (except for the ones I tagged) are used for this type of facility. Looks good to me. 51st about to be added :) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
Well, I was suggesting landuse=self_storage so as to include any associated driveways, although amenity=storage or amenity=self_storage would work as well. Using self_storage rather than just storage emphasizes that these are units available to individuals, as opposed to larger-scale commercial warehouses. From my experience, most such facilities have a fenced enclosure, with driveways to each building, although there are usually a few units accessible from outside the fence.. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities From :mailto:nerou...@gmail.com Date :Sat Dec 11 16:29:47 America/Chicago 2010 On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: So, landuse=self_storage would probably be the way to tag them, using out convention of underscores as separators. Self-storage is also the standard USA term for such facilities. From my personal experience, they typically have several different sizes of enclosed spaces available, some opening directly to the outdoors (as in the photo) and some off interior hallways. Why landuse? It's generally going to be located inside a larger landuse area of commercial or industrial, and could be as small as a standard office building. There is some use of http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/tags/amenity=storage but I don't know if any (except for the ones I tagged) are used for this type of facility. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
I'd take the view that amenity implies a degree of personal access, so I reckon amenity=storage is probably sufficient rather than risk unnecessary typos with underscores. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: I'd take the view that amenity implies a degree of personal access, so I reckon amenity=storage is probably sufficient rather than risk unnecessary typos with underscores. I think storage and self-storage imply different things. The former would be warehousing etc for business customers, and the latter for the general public. That said, I'd be inclined to go with amenity=storage for both, with some subtag like self_storage=yes where appropriate. We should have less top-level tags. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] self-storage facilities
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:04:11 +1100, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I think storage and self-storage imply different things. The former would be warehousing etc for business customers, and the latter for the general public. That said, I'd be inclined to go with amenity=storage for both, with some subtag like self_storage=yes where appropriate. We should have less top-level tags. I had been inclined to avoid amenity= because of the volume of past comments on other proposals, concerned about the number of amenity values. But amenity=storage makes sense. Because so many self-storage facilities are businesses, owned by different companies, landuse= is less appropriate. Amenity=storage would lie within landuse=commercial or, in some instances landuse=industrial, with operator= or name= for the firm, and self_storage=yes. Internal driveways, parking, buildings, and external fences and gates could be mapped if desired. Ed___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
