Re: [Tails-dev] How to build tails for testing purposes?
Ah, ok, this seem to work. I read this message, but understoood it in that way, that this command would ignore my changes. Building a tails live system is made in another way, like I know, so I am not very experienced with it. In the past I built my life-systems mostly with live-build (or ./build.sh when building my own optimized kali-linux livesystem). Thanks for the hint. Best Hans > As the output tells you, you need to set TAILS_BUILD_OPTIONS: > > export TAILS_BUILD_OPTIONS="ignorechanges" signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Connecting to TOR
Hi, Richard Milkiewicz: > I typed in the following bridges obfs4 194.9.172.33:465 and obfs4 > 216.229.75.65:35602 and received the message TOR failed to connect. Do I > have to type in the string of letters and numbers that came with the > address? Will I have to connect this way each time I use TAILS? I'm finding > this confusing. Thanks for your help. Properly formatted obfs4 bridge lines look like: obfs4 1.2.3.4:1234 B0E566C9031657EA7ED3FC9D248E8AC4F37635A4 cert=OYWq67L7MDApdJCctUAF7rX8LHvMxvIBPHOoAp0+YXzlQdsxhw6EapaMNwbbGICkpY8CPQ iat-mode=0 You *do* need to include the information that follows the IP address and port of the bridge. This question seems to come up frequently enough that I'm suggesting we document what a valid obfs4 bridge line looks like: https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/18478 -- cbrownstein signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] How to build tails for testing purposes?
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 10:04 AM Hans wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > I am experiencing with building my own version of tails, but got stuck. > > > I downloaded the git, installed all needed packages on my debian system, made > my changes in ~/tails/config/ and then started > > > rake build && rake vm:halt > > > But this did not work. I got the message: > > > snip > > > You have uncommitted changes in the Git repository. Due to limitations > of the build system, you need to commit them before building Tails: > M config/chroot_local-packageslists/tails-common.list > ?? config/chroot_local-packages/kali-undercover_2021.1.2_all.deb > ?? vmdb2.log > > > If you don't care about those changes and want to build Tails nonetheless, > please add `ignorechanges` to the TAILS_BUILD_OPTIONS environment > variable. > > Uncommitted changes. Aborting. > > --- snap - > > > However, I do not want to commit anything yet, because I do not want to mess > up with your git-sources! > > > How can I build just for me, without interfering your tails-git? > > > Changes I made: > > > 1. edited ~/tails/config/chroot_local-packageslists/tails-common.list > > > 2. added kali-undercover*.deb into ~/tails/config/chroot_local-packages/ > > > If this is working, I will try to optimize things (maybe also build for > 32-Bit). Maybe I will then ask for more help, but first let me try, if I can > get it managed to build tails running with XFCE instead of Gnome and the > possibility, to look XFCE like Windows10. As the output tells you, you need to set TAILS_BUILD_OPTIONS: export TAILS_BUILD_OPTIONS="ignorechanges" -- -Austin GPG: 267B CC1F 053F 0749 (expires 2024/02/17) ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
[Tails-dev] How to build tails for testing purposes?
Hi folks, I am experiencing with building my own version of tails, but got stuck. I downloaded the git, installed all needed packages on my debian system, made my changes in ~/tails/config/ and then started rake build && rake vm:halt But this did not work. I got the message: snip You have uncommitted changes in the Git repository. Due to limitations of the build system, you need to commit them before building Tails: M config/chroot_local-packageslists/tails-common.list ?? config/chroot_local-packages/kali-undercover_2021.1.2_all.deb ?? vmdb2.log If you don't care about those changes and want to build Tails nonetheless, please add `ignorechanges` to the TAILS_BUILD_OPTIONS environment variable. Uncommitted changes. Aborting. --- snap - However, I do not want to commit anything yet, because I do not want to mess up with your git-sources! How can I build just for me, without interfering your tails-git? Changes I made: 1. edited ~/tails/config/chroot_local-packageslists/tails-common.list 2. added kali-undercover*.deb into ~/tails/config/chroot_local-packages/ If this is working, I will try to optimize things (maybe also build for 32-Bit). Maybe I will then ask for more help, but first let me try, if I can get it managed to build tails running with XFCE instead of Gnome and the possibility, to look XFCE like Windows10. Thanks for any hints. Best regards Hans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
On 19/07/21 14:17, intrigeri wrote:
Hi,
ignifugo (2021-07-19):
And I don't know which are the plan after.. "replace xmpp with?"..
lets go... with Discourse? is ok for me... but are missing
informations. important to understand and seems a bit discredit the
answer of Syster.
I believe the information you say is missing was mentioned in my
introductory email in this thread ("Proposal: migrate our public chat
rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)"):
- blueprint:
https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/blueprints/-/wikis/Migrate_from_xmpp.riseup.net/
- "Why not a more modern chat protocol?" section (where I also
explain why *I* would rather not open this can of worms right now,
⇒ why there's no "plan" yet)
In the future, I would be grateful if you could do minimal fact
gathering, before you express such judgments: as you can see above,
since you did not do that, facing public accusations, I felt urged to
do that homework myself, which I find unfair.
hi,
yes, you are agree. I have to put more attention to search information
in the gitlab. In general. It's true.
sorry that I bothered you.
My opinion was related to "replace XMPP with..." and I thought from your
tone (so probably really opinable, sorry), that there was a concrete
plan to drop xmpp and you feel unhappy to lost time now deciding on xmpp
platform because we have to drop soon. But is not the real future... and
present.
I probably not understand you and answered bad (sorry again for my mistake)
to clarify I think that you put a lot of attention to record every step
and I appreciated a lot you in this.
I have also dubts about esiliati.org, I'm not sure that is more than a
person, I used some of their tools, but I used safely only the stateless
service.
They have not explicit policy, not founding plan, not decision making,
not comunication channel with the users. for what I know... maybe
someone can say that I'm wrong... please.
On the one hand, you know that project better than I do, so I'm
inclined to trust your judgment (although I have difficulties
balancing it with boyska's, so perhaps you 2 can sort it out? :)
probably we are of 2 different opinions, also different experiences and
probably different
communications with the project.
On the other hand, the time for such feedback was June 29 - July 11.
It would have been OK to ask for an extra week of delay or so, but
this did not happen. Since the July 11 deadline passed, I've set up
the 2 new chat rooms on esiliati.org, which a bunch of us have spent
time testing — thanks! I would like this work to be valued, which
I don't feel is the case if we silently ditch it as if it
never happened. So I'm hereby re-adding that work to the equation.
thanks for share this because I don't know.
And yes, I know 15 days for me are not enought.. to process the
information and answer. sorry.
If we indeed have good reasons to ditch that work and re-do it from
scratch, fine.
I would like propose to move on:
Given the time left before the migration, IMO it's too late to start
evaluating brand new candidates now. However:
1) https://www.systemli.org/en/service/xmpp/ -
https://jabber.systemli.org/
(https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.systemli.org/)
It was indeed the other candidate. Quoting details from the blueprint:
"
- happy to host us
- XMPP server will run another 2+ years but not forever.
- They host a (beta as of today) Matrix server.
- They can help us transition to Matrix when their XMPP server goes away.
"
Personally, I'm OK with migrating these 2 chat rooms to systemli.org.
Nobody expressed objections to it since June 29 either so I understand
we have a rough consensus about it (just like we had one about
esiliati.org so far).
I'm fine with delaying the migration to next week (July 26-29) until
we make up our mind: thankfully, the original timeline had 1 spare
week to cope with surprises. However, delaying it any longer would
bring the risk to (temporarily) end up with no chat rooms at all; we
had a rough consensus against dropping these chat rooms (permanently).
Ah, ok so drop XMPP is not in the possibility and not in a short future.
it is?
That is change the meaning of your last email in my mind, sorry I was a
bit confusing... but I try to reform.
The summary now put in light better what we can choose.
So we are choose again for a long time," a solid public platform for
xmpp chat "... in this case for me,
look like that we can..
1) ask to esiliati.org to express in english their project and political
plans and privacy policy and term of use.
But this implicate an action that is not sure. And still not resolve my
worry, that is only one person running the project, that for me put this
a bit fragile, but are trusted people and we can speak open with he/them
and know what are their plan for the future. So is not a big big problem.
but we can decide, maybe if boyska and I we do as voluntary, to help
Re: [Tails-dev] Socks5 is missing on tails 4.20
wpajsk6sjq via Tails-dev: Hello, I just updated tails to 4.20. When I configute the tor bridge, the option to conect a sock5 or http option are missing. hello! Place, tell me how to do it on tails 4.20, or I will lose the ability to use tail conecting network thanks for sharing your experience. Don't worry, you can still connect to Tor using Tails! - at the first screen, select whatever option you find more appropriate - type the bridge that you want to use - press Connect to Tor - you will get to an error screen. from this error screen, you can click on a button to configure socks proxy - click on Connect to Tor again and that should now be working! if you find this is inconvenient, and want to share your thoughts... your suggestions are really welcome! bye -- boyska ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
intrigeri: I have also dubts about esiliati.org, I'm not sure that is more than a person, I used some of their tools, but I used safely only the stateless service. They have not explicit policy, not founding plan, not decision making, not comunication channel with the users. for what I know... maybe someone can say that I'm wrong... please. On the one hand, you know that project better than I do, so I'm inclined to trust your judgment (although I have difficulties balancing it with boyska's, so perhaps you 2 can sort it out? :) well, I can't say that any of this is far from true. But is there any requirement we have that esiliati.org is missing? 1) https://www.systemli.org/en/service/xmpp/ - https://jabber.systemli.org/ (https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.systemli.org/) It was indeed the other candidate. Quoting details from the blueprint: - happy to host us - XMPP server will run another 2+ years but not forever. - They host a (beta as of today) Matrix server. - They can help us transition to Matrix when their XMPP server goes away. I think what made the difference was commitment. Although no realistic project is going to ever promise that any service will last _forever_, esiliati.org gave us a commitment of working to keep it functional to our needs as they care about XMPP a lot, and that XMPP is not easily going away. Personally, I'm OK with migrating these 2 chat rooms to systemli.org. I have no strong objections, too. -- boyska ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] I'm planning to do user interviews for chat platforms
Because of frustration with the UX of jabber, I intend to conduct some user interviews with Tails users as a means to communicate the needs of given user group better to xmpp developers. I'm very busy, and I won't spend much time doing this. So it will take some time until done. If you have something that you wish me to include in the analysis that I'll communicate to xmpp developers, feel free to send me whatever you want. If you believe I'd better use that time to conduct user interviews about another communication platform, I will welcome this feedback. I'm considering Matrix as an alternative option. kind regards syster ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
Hi,
ignifugo (2021-07-19):
> And I don't know which are the plan after.. "replace xmpp with?"..
> lets go... with Discourse? is ok for me... but are missing
> informations. important to understand and seems a bit discredit the
> answer of Syster.
I believe the information you say is missing was mentioned in my
introductory email in this thread ("Proposal: migrate our public chat
rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)"):
- blueprint:
https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/blueprints/-/wikis/Migrate_from_xmpp.riseup.net/
- "Why not a more modern chat protocol?" section (where I also
explain why *I* would rather not open this can of worms right now,
⇒ why there's no "plan" yet)
In the future, I would be grateful if you could do minimal fact
gathering, before you express such judgments: as you can see above,
since you did not do that, facing public accusations, I felt urged to
do that homework myself, which I find unfair.
> I have also dubts about esiliati.org, I'm not sure that is more than a
> person, I used some of their tools, but I used safely only the stateless
> service.
>
> They have not explicit policy, not founding plan, not decision making,
> not comunication channel with the users. for what I know... maybe
> someone can say that I'm wrong... please.
On the one hand, you know that project better than I do, so I'm
inclined to trust your judgment (although I have difficulties
balancing it with boyska's, so perhaps you 2 can sort it out? :)
On the other hand, the time for such feedback was June 29 - July 11.
It would have been OK to ask for an extra week of delay or so, but
this did not happen. Since the July 11 deadline passed, I've set up
the 2 new chat rooms on esiliati.org, which a bunch of us have spent
time testing — thanks! I would like this work to be valued, which
I don't feel is the case if we silently ditch it as if it
never happened. So I'm hereby re-adding that work to the equation.
If we indeed have good reasons to ditch that work and re-do it from
scratch, fine.
> I would like propose to move on:
Given the time left before the migration, IMO it's too late to start
evaluating brand new candidates now. However:
> 1) https://www.systemli.org/en/service/xmpp/ -
> https://jabber.systemli.org/
> (https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.systemli.org/)
It was indeed the other candidate. Quoting details from the blueprint:
"
- happy to host us
- XMPP server will run another 2+ years but not forever.
- They host a (beta as of today) Matrix server.
- They can help us transition to Matrix when their XMPP server goes away.
"
Personally, I'm OK with migrating these 2 chat rooms to systemli.org.
Nobody expressed objections to it since June 29 either so I understand
we have a rough consensus about it (just like we had one about
esiliati.org so far).
I'm fine with delaying the migration to next week (July 26-29) until
we make up our mind: thankfully, the original timeline had 1 spare
week to cope with surprises. However, delaying it any longer would
bring the risk to (temporarily) end up with no chat rooms at all; we
had a rough consensus against dropping these chat rooms (permanently).
Cheers!
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Re: [Tails-dev] chat software for Tails
Hi,
syster via Tails-dev (2021-07-19):
> What options do you consider preferable over xmpp? (if that is already
> documented I missed it)
Please see these 2 bits of my introductory email in this thread
("Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP
server (#17956)"):
- blueprint:
https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/blueprints/-/wikis/Migrate_from_xmpp.riseup.net/
- "Why not a more modern chat protocol?" section (where I also
explain why I'd rather not open this can of worms right now)
Cheers!
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Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
On 19/07/21 12:03, ignifugo wrote: On 19/07/21 08:15, intrigeri wrote: Hi, syster via Tails-dev (2021-07-17): The server that Tails is using for its official chat room, might become an entrance to xmpp for Tails user. Choosing a server that gives new user a pleasant experience should be preferred over a server that does not. Personally, I would prefer not to dedicate any effort into this sort of XMPP outreach, because: - I see the move we're going to make later this month as a temporary stop-gap measure, rather than as a long term endorsement of XMPP. There are chances we migrate away from XMPP entirely in the not-too-distant future. - I don't believe the XMPP ecosystem is good enough for our users that we should spend time encouraging them to use it more. Quite the opposite, actually. - We're talking about very, very few people here (Tails users who try, and manage to connect to our users mutual support chat room) ⇒ whatever we choose here, the impact is almost negligibl I don't like hear that to an accurate question, with an accurate aswer... the second round of answer looks like to me: <<... AH.. But doesn't matter..we have other plan>> I understand that Intrigeri doesn't want put effor in this, but I keep the problem lifted up by Syster. And I feel sorry hear this answer.. And I don't know which are the plan after.. "replace xmpp with?".. lets go... with Discourse? is ok for me... but are missing informations..important to understand and seems a bit discredit the answer of Syster. If the opinion shared is.. better close XMPP channel to another tool, ok.. maybe is better that we explored.. For me is better close, than started a relationship not clear, or take the time to evaluate relationships, and move in our mapped relationships yet affirmed. Start a collaboration and trusted other projects is a serious act and need time and effor, also revert this. And be really really explicit on what we think that this collaboration is..like.. We will use public/not public your service for 6 months. Stop. We will do a donation of xxx.money. thanks. I have also dubts about esiliati.org, I'm not sure that is more than a person, I used some of their tools, but I used safely only the stateless service. They have not explicit policy, not founding plan, not decision making, not comunication channel with the users. for what I know... maybe someone can say that I'm wrong... please. So I use this meter to choose a service: https://en.gendersec.train.tacticaltech.org/downloads/en/autonomous_server_material_hosting_provider_features.pdf And I have not satisfied a lot of this qualities. I would like propose to move on: 1) https://www.systemli.org/en/service/xmpp/ - https://jabber.systemli.org/ (https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.systemli.org/) if is possible, so more robust entities. I don't know if is possible use jabber.ccc.de and who of them run that service. That service was stopped by german goverment in the 2015 and after restarted, so probably are well skilled and prepared, and I use yearly the chat of the congress 2) https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.ccc.de/ or 3) https://calyxinstitute.org/projects/digital-services/xmpp that are patner of Riseup for the vpn. but the quality of the service is this https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.calyxinstitute.org/ Other choose could be autistici.org that is running a xmpp service, but they not keep history, so became difficult to use for us, and I exclude them... https://compliance.conversations.im/server/autistici.org/. other entityes that we trust or that more than a person of us know that we can evaluate? I forget: https://disroot.org/it/services/xmpp hugs ignifugo ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
On 19/07/21 08:15, intrigeri wrote: Hi, syster via Tails-dev (2021-07-17): The server that Tails is using for its official chat room, might become an entrance to xmpp for Tails user. Choosing a server that gives new user a pleasant experience should be preferred over a server that does not. Personally, I would prefer not to dedicate any effort into this sort of XMPP outreach, because: - I see the move we're going to make later this month as a temporary stop-gap measure, rather than as a long term endorsement of XMPP. There are chances we migrate away from XMPP entirely in the not-too-distant future. - I don't believe the XMPP ecosystem is good enough for our users that we should spend time encouraging them to use it more. Quite the opposite, actually. - We're talking about very, very few people here (Tails users who try, and manage to connect to our users mutual support chat room) ⇒ whatever we choose here, the impact is almost negligibl I don't like hear that to an accurate question, with an accurate aswer... the second round of answer looks like to me: <<... AH.. But doesn't matter..we have other plan>> I understand that Intrigeri doesn't want put effor in this, but I keep the problem lifted up by Syster. And I feel sorry hear this answer.. And I don't know which are the plan after.. "replace xmpp with?".. lets go... with Discourse? is ok for me... but are missing informations..important to understand and seems a bit discredit the answer of Syster. If the opinion shared is.. better close XMPP channel to another tool, ok.. maybe is better that we explored.. For me is better close, than started a relationship not clear, or take the time to evaluate relationships, and move in our mapped relationships yet affirmed. Start a collaboration and trusted other projects is a serious act and need time and effor, also revert this. And be really really explicit on what we think that this collaboration is..like.. We will use public/not public your service for 6 months. Stop. We will do a donation of xxx.money. thanks. I have also dubts about esiliati.org, I'm not sure that is more than a person, I used some of their tools, but I used safely only the stateless service. They have not explicit policy, not founding plan, not decision making, not comunication channel with the users. for what I know... maybe someone can say that I'm wrong... please. So I use this meter to choose a service: https://en.gendersec.train.tacticaltech.org/downloads/en/autonomous_server_material_hosting_provider_features.pdf And I have not satisfied a lot of this qualities. I would like propose to move on: 1) https://www.systemli.org/en/service/xmpp/ - https://jabber.systemli.org/ (https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.systemli.org/) if is possible, so more robust entities. I don't know if is possible use jabber.ccc.de and who of them run that service. That service was stopped by german goverment in the 2015 and after restarted, so probably are well skilled and prepared, and I use yearly the chat of the congress 2) https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.ccc.de/ or 3) https://calyxinstitute.org/projects/digital-services/xmpp that are patner of Riseup for the vpn. but the quality of the service is this https://compliance.conversations.im/server/jabber.calyxinstitute.org/ Other choose could be autistici.org that is running a xmpp service, but they not keep history, so became difficult to use for us, and I exclude them... https://compliance.conversations.im/server/autistici.org/. other entityes that we trust or that more than a person of us know that we can evaluate? hugs ignifugo ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] considering XFCE over Gnome
(just to not cause any confusion to those reading: I'm not a Tails dev, only an advanced user) I always use old laptops, and Tails runs quite slow on them, and it's annoying. On my travel laptop it's close to impossible to use it actually. On the same laptop XFCE runs very smooth. I'm using such old laptops for those reasons: - I consider electronic waste a huge problem for the environment, so I use devices others would through away - I'm poor - when being on a protest camp or similar, laptops are often very old so that the economical damage police can cause by taking them away remains small. health considerations: - those old laptops heat up much moore while using Tails, resulting in evaporation of toxic gas, I think If you're about to build XFCE Tails version, I'd be keen to become a tester. I would highly appreciate the existence of such a version. (as long as my assumption is correct, that an XFCE version would run smoothly on old laptops) kind regards syster On 7/19/21 7:24 AM, Hans wrote: Hi folks, ok, I have understood, that it is not easy to install a windowmanager looking like MacOS or Windows. Also, you told me, you are using Gnome. Well, thinking about this, please allow me a very personal feedback: 1. The choice of using Gnome is IMO not very lucky. Gnome is big, Gnome is eating much ressources. 2. I would use LXDE or better XFCE, because they are very small and tiny. XFCE also has the advantage, to use the very fine package "kali-undercover", which let XFCE look like Windows10. 3. The lack of TAILS in 32-bit is a great disadvantage, because it can not be used on netbooks, like EEEPC or others. I believe, many people are using these still. However, I agree, that journalists today might use all 64-Bit notebooks. 4. Tails should be for everyone, so it should be small and tiny, so it can be run smoothly also on older hardware. I am sure, especially in poorer countries, people are not able, to buy the newest hardware. Last but not least: Thank you for the documentation, how to build tails. This will allow me, to build a tails version according to my own needs. Of course, there is also much to learn. Generally: Thank you all for the hard work - it is really needed and appreceated in this corrupt world! Best regards Hans ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Release schedule for Tails 4.21
Hi, anonym (2021-07-13): > Tails 4.21 is scheduled to be released on August 10. > > boyska will be the mentoree RM [0] preparing this release! \o/ This was a mistake/misunderstanding. I'll be the RM for 4.21 and boyska will RM 4.22~rc1 a week later. Please ensure all code changes meant to be included in 4.21 are merged by August 6, accounting for the time needed for reviews & for fixing blockers identified by reviewers :) ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
[Tails-dev] chat software for Tails
On 7/19/21 6:15 AM, intrigeri wrote: >I don't believe the XMPP ecosystem is good enough for our users > that we should spend time encouraging them to use it more. > Quite the opposite, actually. Personally I have lots of disappointment for the approaches xmpp development takes. On the other side, I'm even more disappointed by the other options available. What options do you consider preferable over xmpp? (if that is already documented I missed it) kind regards, syster. On 7/19/21 6:15 AM, intrigeri wrote: Hi, syster via Tails-dev (2021-07-17): The server that Tails is using for its official chat room, might become an entrance to xmpp for Tails user. Choosing a server that gives new user a pleasant experience should be preferred over a server that does not. Personally, I would prefer not to dedicate any effort into this sort of XMPP outreach, because: - I see the move we're going to make later this month as a temporary stop-gap measure, rather than as a long term endorsement of XMPP. There are chances we migrate away from XMPP entirely in the not-too-distant future. - I don't believe the XMPP ecosystem is good enough for our users that we should spend time encouraging them to use it more. Quite the opposite, actually. - We're talking about very, very few people here (Tails users who try, and manage to connect to our users mutual support chat room) ⇒ whatever we choose here, the impact is almost negligible. Cheers! ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
Ok, sounds good with me then. On 7/19/21 6:15 AM, intrigeri wrote: Hi, syster via Tails-dev (2021-07-17): The server that Tails is using for its official chat room, might become an entrance to xmpp for Tails user. Choosing a server that gives new user a pleasant experience should be preferred over a server that does not. Personally, I would prefer not to dedicate any effort into this sort of XMPP outreach, because: - I see the move we're going to make later this month as a temporary stop-gap measure, rather than as a long term endorsement of XMPP. There are chances we migrate away from XMPP entirely in the not-too-distant future. - I don't believe the XMPP ecosystem is good enough for our users that we should spend time encouraging them to use it more. Quite the opposite, actually. - We're talking about very, very few people here (Tails users who try, and manage to connect to our users mutual support chat room) ⇒ whatever we choose here, the impact is almost negligible. Cheers! ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
Hi, boyska (2021-07-19): > syster via Tails-dev: >>The compliance tester says some XEP's that are recommended are missing. >>Some of them might not bring a feature to a Tails user, while others >>might. This is the test: >>https://compliance.conversations.im/server/esiliati.org/ > > The single part that bugs me the most is XEP-0313: MAM + MUC. This was > among our requirements. Our requirements indeed include "backlog without needing nerdy setup like an IRC bouncer". When we wrote this, personally I was referring to the same sort of limited backlog we have on Riseup currently. I've just tested it and it works fine. (And when I created the rooms I was asked how much backlog they should have.) XEP-0313 is about a more advanced kind of backlog. I don't know which clients support it (welcome to the highly flexible world of XMPP! ;) Cheers! ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Unable to connect on tor
Hi @boyska, Odran Ligneul (2021-07-17): > I am using my personal WiFi without any issues in the past and now, I am > not able to connect on tor anymore. > > I used different bridges downloaded from your website and your email > addresse but none of them work when I enter them, I always get the "error > connecting to tor" FWIW, I've seen a similar WhisperBack report (without more info worth sharing). ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
syster via Tails-dev: The compliance tester says some XEP's that are recommended are missing. Some of them might not bring a feature to a Tails user, while others might. This is the test: https://compliance.conversations.im/server/esiliati.org/ The single part that bugs me the most is XEP-0313: MAM + MUC. This was among our requirements. However, I think I've seen that working on that server, so I wonder if results are accurate. I've notified esiliati.org's sysadmins about it, asking them to please check if MAM + MUC works. -- boyska ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
Hi, intrigeri (2021-07-12): > If no obvious blocker has been identified by the end of the week, > next week I plan to: Last call for testing & feedback! I plan to do this later this week, but not today: > - make these chat rooms the official ones > > - set up authorization (affiliate & roles) so that a bunch of us can >do moderation work as needed > > - deprecate the chat rooms currently hosted at Riseup Cheers! ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Question: Tails in undercover mode?
Hi folks, ok, I have understood, that it is not easy to install a windowmanager looking like MacOS or Windows. Also, you told me, you are using Gnome. Well, thinking about this, please allow me a very personal feedback: 1. The choice of using Gnome is IMO not very lucky. Gnome is big, Gnome is eating much ressources. 2. I would use LXDE or better XFCE, because they are very small and tiny. XFCE also has the advantage, to use the very fine package "kali-undercover", which let XFCE look like Windows10. 3. The lack of TAILS in 32-bit is a great disadvantage, because it can not be used on netbooks, like EEEPC or others. I believe, many people are using these still. However, I agree, that journalists today might use all 64-Bit notebooks. 4. Tails should be for everyone, so it should be small and tiny, so it can be run smoothly also on older hardware. I am sure, especially in poorer countries, people are not able, to buy the newest hardware. Last but not least: Thank you for the documentation, how to build tails. This will allow me, to build a tails version according to my own needs. Of course, there is also much to learn. Generally: Thank you all for the hard work - it is really needed and appreceated in this corrupt world! Best regards Hans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Proposal: migrate our public chat rooms to another friendly XMPP server (#17956)
Hi, syster via Tails-dev (2021-07-17): > The server that Tails is using for its official chat room, might become an > entrance to xmpp for Tails user. > Choosing a server that gives new user a pleasant experience should be > preferred over a server that does not. Personally, I would prefer not to dedicate any effort into this sort of XMPP outreach, because: - I see the move we're going to make later this month as a temporary stop-gap measure, rather than as a long term endorsement of XMPP. There are chances we migrate away from XMPP entirely in the not-too-distant future. - I don't believe the XMPP ecosystem is good enough for our users that we should spend time encouraging them to use it more. Quite the opposite, actually. - We're talking about very, very few people here (Tails users who try, and manage to connect to our users mutual support chat room) ⇒ whatever we choose here, the impact is almost negligible. Cheers! ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
