Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
With this I agree. While I could reach these with my satellite receiver..I naturally cannot do so without all the nifty tools you helped uncover. With appreciation, Kare On Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Scott Allen wrote: On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 at 13:50, Karen Lewellen wrote: I was able to watch sd

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 at 13:50, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I was able to watch sd channels, labeled as such by bell, until I moved in Yes, sorry, I have to correct myself. It's analog broadcasting that has gone away. Digital broadcasts (ATSC) can carry both standard and high definition resolutions.

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Hi Evan, A small correction. the shift has not gone from platform to content at all. That is because one must use the platform, and the tools connecting with that platform to reach existing content...and there is tons of it. The ability to say turn on and off audio description via cable boxes,

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk | Synopsis: I think you've just re-complicated something that took a while in | this thread to simplify. | And buying a new TV is not considered an option, the roughly $100 solution | being proposed is expensive enough. Yeah, if the problem is JUST to get OTA

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
Hi again, On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 12:40 PM Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > First, I am not 100% certain that all analog or standard definition channels > are gone, unless that has happened since 2022. > Looking at TV Fool data for postal code M1M, your closest analog signal is channel 22,

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Scott, I was able to watch sd channels, labeled as such by bell, until I moved in February 2022. Using my satellite however. On Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Scott Allen wrote: On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 at 12:39, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: First, I am not 100% certain that all analog or standard

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 at 12:39, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > First, I am not 100% certain that all analog or standard definition > channels are gone, unless that has happened since 2022. Yes, standard definition analog broadcasts have been gone from anywhere in the GTA, and most of Canada,

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 at 12:59, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote: > Such a solution (as an alternative to coaxial) requires a triple-RCA AV cable > with yellow, red and white RCA connectors on each end. However, the Mediasonic tuner includes the required cable and Karen's TV supports it. It might

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
One thing I miss about above all is the wisdom of its owner. ages ago I brought high quality triple cable, and adapters for them in case I needed to run things from across the room. I also have lots of high quality coaxial cable..that is the least of my worries. On Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Evan

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
> > The connection from the ATSC box from Karen's TV can be done either by > coaxial cable (and both devices will need to agree on Channel 3 or 4 using > physical switches) or by an RCA-to-RCA video cable. > Clarification. The RCA-to-RCA solution works but it's more than just a video cable. That

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Let me simplify. First, I am not 100% certain that all analog or standard definition channels are gone, unless that has happened since 2022. I say this because although bell does not in any way shape or form provide accessible set top boxes at all, In fact David Lepofky has a federal human

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
Synopsis: I think you've just re-complicated something that took a while in this thread to simplify. And buying a new TV is not considered an option, the roughly $100 solution being proposed is expensive enough. On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:19 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk < talk@gtalug.org>

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk
I have some concerns, but am somewhat uninformed. I've run out of time to edit this. I apologize that it so is long and disorganized. General concern: the complex chain of devices has many points of failure. Getting it to work might be difficult. Keeping it working might be difficult.

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
There are some very extensive video courses available, starting with this single six-hour video on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWbUDq4S6Y8 Just searching for "Linux masterclass" there will reveal multiple playlists of videos from which you can choose what suits you best. As for

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-30 Thread Adel Yahaya via talk
Good day to everyone, Quick question I just love Linux bt been at it for awhile kind of on and off thing for me will you recommend I get a class for something say system admin? Or should just use google etc to gain the knowledge and seat for certification? I will appreciate diverse view

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
Here's a review I found for the Mediasonic HW130STB ATSC box I mentioned earlier: https://www.disablemycable.com/blog/mediasonic-homeworx-digital-converter-box/ -- Scott --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 09:29:25PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > well, shaped the same is not an issue really for me, speaking personally. > for me it is having the button actually do something other than put me in a > menu with choices the button does not impact. > One can mark creatively, if

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
well, shaped the same is not an issue really for me, speaking personally. for me it is having the button actually do something other than put me in a menu with choices the button does not impact. One can mark creatively, if large enough, and my memory is understandably quite good. Scott's

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 06:33:42PM -0500, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > make that atss..spelling is everything. Assuming there is signal where you are, you would need an ATSC tuner box (many exist at $50 or so price, and they tend to have HDMI, composite and RF outputs) as well as an antenna

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
make that atss..spelling is everything. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Evan Leibovitch wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 5:01???PM Karen Lewellen wrote: Okay Evan, Let me walk through this completely. 1, because my television does not include either digital, or HDMI built in will I also need an HDMI

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Ah...I need both. as shared I am going to be certain I do not already have an acts converter box, Scott's idea with its record and media play sounds like there may be access barriers to the technology. I do like Channel master as a brand, the thing about the less expensive model is that

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 5:01 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > Okay Evan, > Let me walk through this completely. > 1, because my television does not include either digital, or HDMI built in > will I also need an HDMI to RCA adapter to connect say this last antenna? > The antenna has a coaxial cable

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
If location makes a difference I am on Kingston road in Scarborough. Trees translated to no satellite dish outside, hopefully this will work instead. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Scott Allen wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:15, Karen Lewellen wrote: You are speaking specifically of the channel

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
I respect it is a gamble, all the more reason to buy it from a place with a solid return policy. The logistics involved in checking would take me longer than buying the item plugging it in, and testing it out. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Scott Allen wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:15, Karen

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
..and that answers my question. If the channel master is a one solution fits all item, this is easy. No need for longer cable, can mount it at the top of my large picture window for height..and rock & roll hall of fame special here I come! Thanks everyone, Kare On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Scott

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:15, Karen Lewellen wrote: > You are speaking specifically of the channel master Evan just recommended? Yes. You would have to check if a cable is included with other antennas. Keep in mind that the ability to receive acceptable Over The Air (OTA) signals from your

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Scot, You are speaking specifically of the channel master Evan just recommended? On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Scott Allen wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:01, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: 3. if I do not also need the HDMI adapter, is it because the antenna option has its own ability to connect?

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:07, Scott Allen wrote: > and perhaps a coaxial cable (as are used with Rogers cable, etc.) The Channel Master FLATenna antenna that Evan linked to includes a 12 foot cable. If you need a longer one you would have to obtain it separately. -- Scott --- Post to this

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:01, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > 3. if I do not also need the HDMI adapter, is it because the antenna option > has its own ability to connect? You don't need anything except the TV and the antenna, and perhaps a coaxial cable (as are used with Rogers cable, etc.)

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Okay Evan, Let me walk through this completely. 1, because my television does not include either digital, or HDMI built in will I also need an HDMI to RCA adapter to connect say this last antenna? 2. it might? result in my getting High definition TV channels as well as the over the air

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 4:25 PM Scott Allen via talk wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 16:13, Don Tai wrote: > > Your TV is NTSC. Sadly you will need a new TV. > > Or, as I said, an ATSC tuner box. The average price seems to be about > $50. Best Buy has one on sale for $43. > >

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Hi Scot, Not necessarily. I have a great deal of conventional equipment I use for production, everything is labeled for my experience of blindness etc. A more current models tend to lack actual buttons, or use menus that either do not speak, or speak in a way that does me harm. In fact, I am

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 4:06 PM Scott Allen via talk wrote: > As for an antenna, many stores that sell TVs will also sell antennas. Walmart > has them. Best Buy has them. This is not my experience. Off-the-air tabletop antennas are a niche product. The only one that Best Buy has in stock

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Thank you sir. Scott! sayar may be the ticket, I need an adapter for an older talking calculator too. Kare On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Scott Allen wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 15:48, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: for the record, my set is a Toshiba 32af43. The Toshiba 32af43 is an old CRT

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Don..you are making me laugh! Please please please stop giving me the giggles. yes, I know exactly where the Antenna jack is. yes, I have no doubt this TV will do a fine job of managing over the air stations. What I require is where to buy an antenna to connect to the port for the antenna on

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 03:56:15PM -0500, Don Tai wrote: > https://usermanual.com/support/toshiba/document/32af43-36af43-manual > > page 19, "CH PROGRAM": how to automatically scan for new channels. Your TV > can receive over the air OTA channels. > > page 7, "ANT"L The antenna jack is very

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 16:13, Don Tai wrote: > Your TV is NTSC. Sadly you will need a new TV. Or, as I said, an ATSC tuner box. The average price seems to be about $50. Best Buy has one on sale for $43.

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Good that I have one, since your link does not work from the keyboard..or not with my screen reader. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Don Tai wrote: https://usermanual.com/support/toshiba/document/32af43-36af43-manual page 19, "CH PROGRAM": how to automatically scan for new channels. Your TV can

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
yes Don, I have the manual. What I do not have is the very very specific location to buy an antenna. To connect an antenna, I must secure one. yes I can make no, but prefer to buy one instead. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Don Tai wrote:

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Don Tai via talk
agreed, Scott is correct. Your TV is NTSC. Sadly you will need a new TV..sorry On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 16:05, Scott Allen wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 15:48, Karen Lewellen via talk > wrote: > > for the record, my set is a Toshiba 32af43. > > The Toshiba 32af43 is an old CRT based analogue

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
Hi Karen, On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:44 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > While I do have personal and professional interest in Boston and Detroit, that > you are getting Buffalo might make this a worth while experiment, even if > it just gets me through the Holidays. I do occasionally find this of

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Scott Allen via talk
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 15:48, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > for the record, my set is a Toshiba 32af43. The Toshiba 32af43 is an old CRT based analogue TV. It is only capable of tuning NTSC analogue signals, which are no longer being broadcast. You would need an ATSC capable TV or an ATSC

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Don Tai via talk
I have a Toshiba 32L1350UC TV from 2013..and have done OTA for 10 years. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 15:48, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Is the walmart.ca link for an antenna? > for the record, my set is a Toshiba 32af43. > My goal is swiftness. If I can walk into a store, buy an option, try it > out,

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Don Tai via talk
https://usermanual.com/support/toshiba/document/32af43-36af43-manual page 19, "CH PROGRAM": how to automatically scan for new channels. Your TV can receive over the air OTA channels. page 7, "ANT"L The antenna jack is very prominent you can do OTA tv.. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 15:48, Karen

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Is the walmart.ca link for an antenna? for the record, my set is a Toshiba 32af43. My goal is swiftness. If I can walk into a store, buy an option, try it out, and return it if it fails, I prefer this. the investment is worth it, especially as I have nothing at all right now. On Wed, 29 Nov

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Don Tai via talk
you may, of course, buy an antenna and try it. Of all your tech issues, the antenna will be, by far the easiest to do. It will either work or not. You will get channels to watch or not. It is also reversible, so there is very little risk. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 15:34, Karen Lewellen wrote: >

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Don, Let me be forthright, between not being able to use a phone in my house in spite of paying for it, losing access to my main gmail account, fighting bell for an accessible phone, not being able to work fully because I have no land line, falling behind on rent, as a result, and fighting

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Don Tai via talk
first hook up a temporary antenna, put it near your window, scan your TV and see how many channels you can get. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 15:20, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I still have the box, but have not been a rogers customer since 2017 or > so. > you are suggesting that I can use the box for

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
I still have the box, but have not been a rogers customer since 2017 or so. you are suggesting that I can use the box for the digitization process? plugging things into the rogers box? or use the port for cox to plug in this antenna? if so that will be magical, as I have both cable, and know

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Don Tai via talk
There should be a specific port just for "antenna" or "ANT", a coax cable port, or the port that you plug in your Rogers cable. Unplug your Rogers cable and plug in your antenna. It should not affect your other ports. You should not need to change anything else. On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 13:13,

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
what? as in their NPR station? For the record, my stereo has an audio / video option. My TV, VCR, and DVD player are connected to a splitter. this allows me to project sound from my set through my stereo speakers, things like surround sound for films, and wonderful sound quality for other

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Don, Can you be more specific about the digital TV side? My Toshiba is quite fancy, however I have a number of converter units that may bridge the gap. have wondered if I connected an antenna to a spot for one on the set if that would do the trick. or if I reconnected one of the existing

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Don Tai via talk
Note that over the air OTA TV also provides the Buffalo FM classical station sans picture. You can listen to classical music through your TV. https://www.wikihow.com/Build-Antennas " - Create a simple TV antenna using a coaxial cable and tinfoil or a jumbo-sized paperclip. - Make a HDTV antenna

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Hi Evan, granted as said, the watching over my DOS computer, or my flip phone is a firm no. While I do have personal and professional interest in Boston and Detroit, that you are getting Buffalo might make this a worth while experiment, even if it just gets me through the Holidays..I am

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread David Mason via talk
It looks like this: https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/hdmi-to-rca-cable-hdmi-to-rca-converter-adapter-cable-1080p-hdmi-to-av-3rca-cvbs-composite-video-audio-supports-for-amazon-fire-stick/PRD700H6NJLEWBM will convert a digital HDMI to an analogue signal that could be used for a VCR or old TV. ../Dave

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 08:23:10AM -0500, Don Tai via talk wrote: > I've been using Over the Air OTA TV for 10 years now, and have been happy > with the free service. The digital signals are uncompressed, providing > visibly higher quality images than Rogers (My Mum's service). I receive 17 >

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:22:22AM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi, > If I could get the digital box, without having to use a modem, I would > likely be fine, because the digital box would tap into the existing blanket > internet wireless wise would it not? > In fact that was my landlord's

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Don Tai via talk
I've been using Over the Air OTA TV for 10 years now, and have been happy with the free service. The digital signals are uncompressed, providing visibly higher quality images than Rogers (My Mum's service). I receive 17 digital channels, Southern Ontario and Buffalo, despite my neighbour's large

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-29 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk
One option available to some cord cutters is going back to the antenna. I have one on my rooftop and it does quite a good job of picking up Toronto and Buffalo channels, which I find preferable to the Robellus options for two reasons: - The off-air signal is not compressed so it can be

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-28 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Hi, If I could get the digital box, without having to use a modem, I would likely be fine, because the digital box would tap into the existing blanket internet wireless wise would it not? In fact that was my landlord's idea adding an extra receiver to his account, for which I would pay the

Re: [GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-28 Thread Lennart Sorensen via talk
On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 08:09:47PM -0500, Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > Hi folks, > before simply saying you avoid television, Part of what I do professionally > means accessing a great deal, news channels and other things for example. > And for me, the, I will just watch it on my computer is

[GTALUG] ot: sort of, is it really impossible to get real cable anymore?

2023-11-28 Thread Karen Lewellen via talk
Hi folks, before simply saying you avoid television, Part of what I do professionally means accessing a great deal, news channels and other things for example. And for me, the, I will just watch it on my computer is a nailed shut door. This entire property is Bell fibe saturated which while