Re: help restoring XP computer

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Rod,

That's interesting. I still have a box with Windows XP but I don't go on 
line with it because I don't have an antivirus program on it that works and 
because internet Explorer 8 is being blocked by many websites. How do I get 
that app and how do I use it?


Thanks.
-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: help restoring XP computer

Hi Peter,

As far as I can tell, that app works only in XP.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:00 AM
To: James; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

Yes, but unfortunately, I only have Windows 8.1, not Windows 10.

-Original Message- 
From: James via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: James
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

Hi.

That is why you use the Custom_system_restore App. You can do it in 3 key
strokes.
- Original Message - 
From: "peter Chin via Talk" 

To: "Carol and Roger via Talk" 
Cc: "peter Chin" 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer


As far as restoring is concerned, I regret to say that I have not found
Window-Eyes very helpful. Jaws seem to be better for this.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

I use nero, and I have a version for xp if he wants it.  Go to start,
then programs, then system tools.  Arrow down a bit and you'll see
restore.  I've never done thisk, so don't know how well or if it talks
well.  you also might try sfc, that is system file checker, I forget the
command line switches.  I can do some more idigging for you if needed.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Sun, 18 Feb 2018, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:


Hi Group,

My brother is running an old XP computer with Window-Eyes.  He has it in
his basement and it is not on line.  Recently, he wanted to burn a CD and
it would not work.  He had a similar problem on his regular PC and a
restoration fixed the issue.  He can not find out how to do a system
restore on the XP machine.  I know there are still a few XP users here and
thought I would see if they had any suggestions.  Thanks.

Carol


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RE: from window eyesto jaws to NVDA

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Brice, I don't care for Jaws; but, I think that the concept of installing a
new copy of Jaws in a separate folder is a good thing.  Yes, you're used to
doing business one way in an older version; suppose for a second the new
update breaks something that was working beautifully well?  Hmm, you can
just leave the new copy alone and still have a working screen reader 'cause
you can revert to using the old one.

This could have been a real issue way back when hard drives were barely
250MB and I am on top of the world thinking I had all bases covered; today,
hard drives are up to 4TB and greater.  As such, leaving two separate copies
of Jaws on one DOES NOT hurt a fly--oh, sorry, it might hurt a fly trying to
peak into my eyes!

I wish Window-Eyes had adopted the same concept.  But, it didn't!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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RE: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

V F O is like any other company in the mainstream.  I'll buy you off because
you pose a threat from a competitive angle.  Once your company is bought
out, time to KILL IT or render it nearly worthless unless it has the
potential to increase and improve the bottom line.  Facebook, Google,
eBay--they all do the same thing!  Microsoft bought Nokia and pretty much
killed it.  Today, under some interesting licensing scheme with HMD, Nokia
is trying to make a comeback to the cell phone industry on the Android
platform.  Well, it may jolly well succeed; after all, Windows phones were a
dismal failure!

EBay bought Skype, didn't know what to do with it, threw it away for
Microsoft's grab.  Next, it bought Paypal; same story all over.  Now it's
looking towards the prospects of acquiring Adyen, a Europe-based payment
processor.  Sprint picked up Nextel and MCI, killed them both.

So, don't be surprised at what V F O is doing, it had leaders ahead of it
who did likewise.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Jim via Talk]

    I was also     I agree, I was also using Window-Eyes with Jaws 
flawlessly until just recently when I got a new 1 TB HD and I haven't 
re-installed W.E. yet.  I was using the 2 together just as described 
above.  You can use W.E. until it no longer works which is what 
it sounds to me that a lot of you are doing.  Good Luck and Have a Good 
1! de


.


On 22-Feb-18 20:43, net bat via Talk wrote:

you don't have to stop useing  window eyes .
both can co exist fine.
all i have to do is unload window eyes and then load jaws when i want 
to work with it.

or set it so jaws will load on bootup instead.
jaws can be unloaded with insert or capslock and f4 keys
you can change the jaws key from the insert key to the capslock key 
two ways.

by changeing to the laptop layout.
or if useing the desktop layout you can go to the settings center then 
to keyboard and insert keys i think its called and change between the 
insert or capslock key for the jaws key.




-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied. I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:

Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day one.


I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.


My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.


I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather expensive.
Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or you
also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes another
cost that requires budget juggling.


On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

    I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
good in NVDA.
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RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[ratshtron via Talk]

hmmm, looks more and more like apple is going to be the way to go 
from here, lol!



Legend has it that on Wednesday 2/21/2018 08:33 PM, Olusegun -- 
Victory Associates LTD, said:



If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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from window eyesto jaws to NVDA

[brice Mijares via Talk]

	Here is another factor I don't like about Jaws. Last time I ran an 
update to Jaws, I had a new version on my desktop. The installation 
should have prompted me whether I wanted to install over an desisting 
copy or not.

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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

I guess that depends on what you use.  It's just down right terrible 
with Thunderbird.  NVDA at this point is the best screen reader with TB. 
 Tom has already commented about the UI.  It still amazes me that FS's 
stupid installation program overwrites the shortcut every time forcing 
us to reset the shortcut hotkey.  I have WE, JFW and NVDA on this 
machine with none of them starting automatically.  At this point in time 
I use NVDA the most which does surprise me some.


It seems reasonable to me to receive some support for costly programs. 
I decided to put Jaws on my laptop.  I'd forgotten that I needed the 
code instead of my serial number to activate Jaws on the laptop.  The 
email with the code came from a different address from the order so I 
was having difficulty finding it so I thought I'd try to call for help. 
I chose activation help from the menu.  They had wait times so theyir 
system gave the option for them to call me back.  Guess what, they never 
called me back and I finally found the code.  It looks like their was a 
bit of a support honeymoon period once they dropped WE but it seems to 
be over already.  VFO doesn't seem to be any better than FS.  They could 
have learned from GW and AI since they bought them out but they just 
don't seem to be interested in any ideas that don't come from their old 
group.


On 2/23/2018 1:17 AM, Dennis via Talk wrote:

Jaws is a good screen reader.
- Original Message - From: "Mike Rogers via Talk" 


To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Mike Rogers" 
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA


Also, with Jaws you can make the insert key a "Sticky" key.  That way 
you hit insert and take your finger off and use the same hand to reach 
another.




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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:43:39 -0800
net bat via Talk  wrote:


you don't have to stop useing  window eyes .
both can co exist fine.
all i have to do is unload window eyes and then load jaws when i want 
to work with it.

or set it so jaws will load on bootup instead.
jaws can be unloaded with insert or capslock and f4 keys
you can change the jaws key from the insert key to the capslock key 
two ways.

by changeing to the laptop layout.
or if useing the desktop layout you can go to the settings center 
then to keyboard and insert keys i think its called and change 
between the insert or capslock key for the jaws key.




-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied.  I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:
> Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
> and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day 
> one.

>
>
> I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
> great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
> even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.
>
>
> My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
> more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
> browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.
>
>
> I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather 
expensive.
> Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or 
you
> also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes > 
another

> cost that requires budget juggling.
>
>
> On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
>> remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
>> it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
>> since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
>> control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
>> good in NVDA.
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Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I was aksing if there are software solutions like Openbook for the Maz?

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Hi Russ,

If you are asking whether there is OCR software available for macOS, then 
the answer is a resounding yes.
If you're asking whether there are software solutions available with all of 
the features you're used to in Openbook or Kurzweil 1000, I can't say for 
certain, but I haven't come across anything as yet.


Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


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Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:06 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Does the Mac have a program like openbook?

-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

The thing is there is no one size fits all -- some programs don't work
on MacOS at all such as quickbooks and the audio editing situation is
more difficult.  Web browsing can be very nice or lousy on some sites,
so I think to get your work done you may need both MAC and WINDOWS.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:27:39 -0500,
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:


Hi Butch,

Your questions are easy to ask but not quite so easy for me to answer.
(smile)
I learned macOS by simply grabbing a list of hot keys, and, with a little
knowledge I gained here and there, I learned the underlying philosophy of
VoiceOver, and so I just muddled through until, today, I can do anything I
need to with the Mac.
The biggest difference is that VoiceOver tends to act like a big mouse
pointer, and, once you decide what you want to interact with, you press a
VoiceOver hot key and then interact with the Window or the web page or
system dialog or whatever.
When you want to interact with something else, then you must back out of,
or stop interacting with, what had been focused upon, and then start over
again.
We're used to Windows, where focus is always present, and so this is what
you must accept is not true of macOS.
However, because focus is not a necessity, it makes it possible for system
dialogs to pop up, and so you tend to not miss important things happening
on your system.
I would say that macOS is perfectly accessible with VoiceOver, and so it
is equivalent to Window-Eyes.
To be honest, I think it is a beautiful experience when you see the
thought which has gone into developing the macOS, which, I should add, is
very, very similar to how IOS works, which is the OS of the iPod Tuch, the
iPad and the iPhone.
As Dennis has mentioned, there are tutorials which can help you learn
macOS.
'David Woodbridge, a blind employee of ision Australia, has lots of
podcasts on different Apple devices, pretty much all of them, in fact, and
so he can take the blame for my buying a Mac.
His descriptions of Apple devices suck you right in, and they just make
you run to the Apple store. (grin)

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 4:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: BK
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Rod, how does voice over compare with jaws and window eyes? And are
there audio books or tutorials available to help learn the mac OS? Thank
you much.

Butch

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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

I agree.  I have used W.E. since 1998 and always liked it, being a computer 
dummy, still.  But Jaws works great for me and I like using Google Chrome 
withit.  I go back to W.E., when there's something I can't figure out with 
Jaws.  Also learning to use NVDA as back up.



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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 20:44:31 +1100
michael fridey via Talk  wrote:

> I first started with jaws 3.2 but it did not work on internet very good.
> 
> So i brought window eyes and use it since 2004.
> 
> But i had a SMA from window eyes so i took the offer from VFo.
> 
> Doug said that he would look after us WE users and he did.
> 
> I rather WE but i will not cut off my nose to spite my face.
> 
> I still use WE plus like my good friend Rod we both like our Macs as well.
> 
> So i still want to use my win ten machines so i will run we till it does 
> not work.
> 
> But i am lernig jaws on my machines all running win 10 i do not find 
> jaws clunky or sluggish.
> 
> Cheers michael.
> 
> 
> On 23/02/2018 12:45 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> > I think that most of the people who like jaws have either used jaws 
> > since they started using computers, or have used it for years, even 
> > though they started off using something else.  I started off with 
> > window bridge, and then I got window eyes about maybe fourteen years 
> > ago.  I used older versions of jaws, but that was only when I was 
> > taking computer classes in the early 2000s or late 1990s.  Pam.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:23 PM
> > To: lynn white via Talk
> > Cc: Nick Sarames
> > Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA
> >
> > I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
> > different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
> > Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied. I
> > wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
> > the problem.
> >
> > That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
> > migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
> > smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
> > hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
> > keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
> > understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
> > but I digress.
> >
> > On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:
> >> Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
> >> and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day one.
> >>
> >>
> >> I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
> >> great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
> >> even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.
> >>
> >>
> >> My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
> >> more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
> >> browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.
> >>
> >>
> >> I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather expensive.
> >> Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or you
> >> also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes another
> >> cost that requires budget juggling.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> >>>     I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
> >>> remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
> >>> it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
> >>> since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
> >>> control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
> >>> good in NVDA.
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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[michael fridey via Talk]

I first started with jaws 3.2 but it did not work on internet very good.

So i brought window eyes and use it since 2004.

But i had a SMA from window eyes so i took the offer from VFo.

Doug said that he would look after us WE users and he did.

I rather WE but i will not cut off my nose to spite my face.

I still use WE plus like my good friend Rod we both like our Macs as well.

So i still want to use my win ten machines so i will run we till it does 
not work.


But i am lernig jaws on my machines all running win 10 i do not find 
jaws clunky or sluggish.


Cheers michael.


On 23/02/2018 12:45 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I think that most of the people who like jaws have either used jaws 
since they started using computers, or have used it for years, even 
though they started off using something else.  I started off with 
window bridge, and then I got window eyes about maybe fourteen years 
ago.  I used older versions of jaws, but that was only when I was 
taking computer classes in the early 2000s or late 1990s.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied. I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:

Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day one.


I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.


My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.


I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather expensive.
Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or you
also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes another
cost that requires budget juggling.


On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

    I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
good in NVDA.
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Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[michael fridey via Talk]

Well said MR Netbat.

Cheers Michael.


On 23/02/2018 12:43 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

you don't have to stop useing  window eyes .
both can co exist fine.
all i have to do is unload window eyes and then load jaws when i want 
to work with it.

or set it so jaws will load on bootup instead.
jaws can be unloaded with insert or capslock and f4 keys
you can change the jaws key from the insert key to the capslock key 
two ways.

by changeing to the laptop layout.
or if useing the desktop layout you can go to the settings center then 
to keyboard and insert keys i think its called and change between the 
insert or capslock key for the jaws key.




-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied. I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:

Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day one.


I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.


My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.


I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather expensive.
Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or you
also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes another
cost that requires budget juggling.


On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

    I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
good in NVDA.
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