Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have never seen DecTalk 32 sold by itself.  I only saw it come in Kurtweil 
and in window eyes as part of the program.  Pam.


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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 12:43 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

On mine, I hear DecTalk.  But it depends.  On newer versions, they couldn't 
get a decTalk license, or something, so people who bought it towards the end 
of its life got vocalizer.  I don't know what that sounds like.  But if you 
had window eyes already and you just went to update it, you could still get 
DecTalk.  Pam.


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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than eloquence. 
It's even better if you have an external one; because when they made dectalk 
32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they had to cobble it 
together however they could, so it's not as good as the external, but it's 
still better than eloquence.  Artic is the first synthetic speech I had in 
my first computer, which was one of those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


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Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
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Cc: Larry Higgins
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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the thing I 
don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not only that it 
sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that if there is no 
punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it starts winding down like 
its batteries are dying.  After all these years, they have never fixed that. 
Shame on them!  Pam.


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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in the 
control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the top, and it 
was.  But I still can't read the body of a message.  Pam.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have window eyes.  I have the disk with 9.0, and about a year ago, I got 
the rest of it from somebody.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 1:14 PM
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Cc: David Hoff Jr
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Did you ever get a copy of WE you were looking for?
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Re: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become SuddenlyUnreadable?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Oh, I sure hope that doesn't happen to me!  The only thing that happens, 
sofar, is that once in a while, I get a ding, and that it can't be opened, 
and an okay button.  So, I press okay, and I do it again, and the message 
comes up.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: RE: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become 
SuddenlyUnreadable?


I don’t know the answer to your question. But over the past few weeks it 
took longer and longer for e-mail messages to begin reading in WLM, with 
either JAWS or Window-Eyes, in Windows 7. By last Monday nothing at all 
would read and nothing could be edited for sending. At that point I decided 
to try migrating my 50,000 plus messages to Windows 10. I’m starting out 
with Windows 10 mail and JAWS, but may end up buying a copy of Outlook, 
because there are a lot of disadvantages to Windows 10 Mail. Windows 10 Mail 
will read the .eml files that WLM creates, but will not import them into 
mailboxes; they have to be opened from file explorer one at a time.
I hope you’re not experiencing the same WLM problem I did, because I don’t 
think you can download a fresh copy of WLM safely. It hasn’t been supported 
by Microsoft since 2012.

* Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Peter Chin via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 7:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Peter Chin
Subject: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become 
SuddenlyUnreadable?


Hello All,

I wonder if anyone using Windows Live Mail could explain to me why some of 
my e-mail messages can suddenly become unreadable. I get a message reading 
something like this:
“A problem occurred while opening this message.” Then I am on an OK button 
which I must activate in order to get out of this message.


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Re: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become Suddenly Unreadable?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Did you try opening it again after that?  I usually can do it again, and the 
message will open.  Pam.


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Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 5:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Peter Chin
Subject: Why Do E-mail Messages in Windows Live Mail Sometimes Become 
Suddenly Unreadable?


Hello All,

I wonder if anyone using Windows Live Mail could explain to me why some of 
my e-mail messages can suddenly become unreadable. I get a message reading 
something like this:
“A problem occurred while opening this message.” Then I am on an OK button 
which I must activate in order to get out of this message.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That is a new one on me, also!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 10:12 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Nick,

I have no idea. I've never seen a chunk of text vanish from the middle of a
message.

Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:23 PM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Why or how did  it disappear when I hit reply? I don't remember whether
I hit reply, or reply all.

On 2/23/2021 9:15 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Okay, Nick. If this block of text did magically vanish from within the

middle of the message, I agree. Regardless of the subject, a 27 line lecture
for a signature lacks consideration for anyone trying to read a thread. It
makes it very difficult, especially for those of us who can't visually skim
over it. And it would not be allowed on most mailing lists.


Chester, I'm sure your zealous effort is done with good intention,

however, you should consider the practical implications. An old friend of
mine started doing this a year or so ago on a list we'd both been on for
about the last twenty years. And when the moderators kindly asked him to
stop, he stubbornly refused, leaving them no choice but to ban him from the
list. And those moderators had absolutely no problem with reasonable
contextual expressions of faith.


Regards,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk 

On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his
entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:


I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.


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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I agree with you.  I thought it was kind-of large!  A couple of words is one 
thing, but these large ones are not good.  Those of us who want that kind of 
thing will be on a specialized list for it.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 9:15 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Okay, Nick. If this block of text did magically vanish from within the 
middle of the message, I agree. Regardless of the subject, a 27 line lecture 
for a signature lacks consideration for anyone trying to read a thread. It 
makes it very difficult, especially for those of us who can't visually skim 
over it. And it would not be allowed on most mailing lists.


Chester, I'm sure your zealous effort is done with good intention, however, 
you should consider the practical implications. An old friend of mine 
started doing this a year or so ago on a list we'd both been on for about 
the last twenty years. And when the moderators kindly asked him to stop, he 
stubbornly refused, leaving them no choice but to ban him from the list. And 
those moderators had absolutely no problem with reasonable contextual 
expressions of faith.


Regards,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

OK, there needs to be clarrification here, because for some reason, his
entire e-mail was not shown in my reply:


I sure hate I missed getting Window-Eyes before they closed. Have a
blessed night.

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On 2/22/2021 8:48 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I agree.  Notice how defensive he got.  That should tell you something.
If I wrote on this list the I had a pet talking rock, do you think
anyone would really care.  No, because there is no such thing.  In many
cases, their denial of God is really more of a hatred of God.  He is
right, I don't know what he believes adnd I really don't care, so if I
chose to say God bless you all or whatever, what is the problem  As I
said before, very interesting.  And yes, it is a matter of free speech
73
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2021, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


If someone wants to put God bless  as their signature  for their
emails, I don't see how it harms anyone on this list.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 1:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Nick Sarames 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

This is not a free speech issue.

On 2/22/2021 11:34 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Nick,

Where's the so-called discussion? And who gave you the right to revoke
our freedom of speech. Faith is forbidden, but thy will be done. This
is called a double standard. If "Have a blessed night" offends 

Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I forgot about that, because I got my window eyes long before they put 
vocalizer in there as the main speech engine.  I still have dectalk, because 
those of us who originally bought it that way got updates that way.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 11:37 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: tom.kings...@charter.net
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,

The only true difference between the Office version and the retail version,
other than Office requiring Office, is the lack of the Vocalizer speech
synthesizers.

Regards, and good luck,
Tom


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 7:56 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Jane Carona 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

What's the difference between the office version and the home version?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: john schwery 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, I have the Office version but not the regular version.

At 09:41 AM 2/21/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:

Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I
really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is
driving me crazy.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I
resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE
immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago,
I realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both
WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites
indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and
decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all
with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it
perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I
decided to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this
generally good. I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish
I had a better understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along
with what I have to do.

As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for
office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it
was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have
been searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I
actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out
how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.

One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we
go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.

On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:
> Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
>  On
> Behalf Of BK via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: BK 
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>
>
> Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version
> of WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not
work with win 10.
> That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

The only difference I know of is that the office version was free if you had 
microsoft office installed.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 7:56 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

What's the difference between the office version and the home version?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: john schwery 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, I have the Office version but not the regular version.

At 09:41 AM 2/21/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:

Oh, I'd love to get a copy of WE9.5.4, if you can find that link or file.
I'm thinking of writing to Doug Geoffray and begging him for it, but I
really don't want to bug him, but I really want WE9.5.4.  Jaws is
driving me crazy.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Jane Carona via Talk 
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I
resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE
immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago,
I realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both
WE and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites
indicated that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and
decided to switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all
with MS Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it
perfect, no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I
decided to switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this
generally good. I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish
I had a better understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along
with what I have to do.

As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for
office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it
was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have
been searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I
actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out
how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.

One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we
go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.

On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:
> Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.
>
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> Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version
> of WE that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not
work with win 10.
> That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Or you could find out if they still have the free update for the blind. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 12:08 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Get on the window eyes list, and ask if there is somebody who will send you 
9.4, while you are at it.  That's what I did.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:55 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I got the free jaws from window eyes, but it was a dud!  It wouldn't hold my 
settings, then when I went to reset them again, it wouldn't let me.  So, I 
just never put it in this laptop.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,
This is Brenda with Ortiz from the February 2018 Seeing Eye class. I didn’t 
realize you were a Window Eyes user, we could’ve talked about a great screen 
reader in class had I known.


I finally upgraded to windows 10 when we moved to Tennessee. I got a deal on 
jaws because I had some W-ESMA’s left. Between a laptop, windows 10 and jaws 
I never did get very good at computers again. actually, when I’m on the 
laptop I use narrator but mostly I use my iPhone.


Hope you and sailor are doing well.

Brenda
Dictated and sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:17 AM, Jane Carona via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to 
see

who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had 
Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still 
hate

Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to 
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't 
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't 
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it 
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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Re: copying and pasting

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

For some reason, I can't copy a link from an email and paste it into the 
browser.  I could on my other computer, but not on this one.  But in any of 
my folders, I can copy files and paste them from place to place, like 
putting them on a drive or something.  But it doesn't work with email and 
the browser.  So, I will try the newer method.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 4:34 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: copying and pasting

i don't quite get what you are trying to do.
like with wlm and a link to a web page.
i can use either methosd.
or i can open a context menu with shift f10 and use copy shortcut. then 
paste

it into the browser. all 3 ways work for me.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: copying and pasting

Do I use that when copying a url to put into a browser?  Because that's when
I was having trouble copying and pasting.  The rest of the time, I was able
to use the old copy and paste, like if I was moving files and stuff.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: copying and pasting

press f8 at the beginning of the text and f8 on the end of the text you want
to
copy.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:49 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: copying and pasting

I know how to do the regular copy and paste, but I remember that in the last
window eyes, they changed it.  I have some questions.  It seems that the new
one worked in certain instances, and that you used the regular copy and
paste,
meaning the control c and control v, the rest of the time.  When I go to
copy
email addresses, do I use the new one or the old one, and how do I use the
new
one?  I don’t remember the key strokes for that.  Thanks for anybody’s help.
Pam.

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Re: copying and pasting

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Do I use that when copying a url to put into a browser?  Because that's when 
I was having trouble copying and pasting.  The rest of the time, I was able 
to use the old copy and paste, like if I was moving files and stuff.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 11:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: copying and pasting

press f8 at the beginning of the text and f8 on the end of the text you want 
to

copy.

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:49 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: copying and pasting

I know how to do the regular copy and paste, but I remember that in the last
window eyes, they changed it.  I have some questions.  It seems that the new
one worked in certain instances, and that you used the regular copy and 
paste,
meaning the control c and control v, the rest of the time.  When I go to 
copy
email addresses, do I use the new one or the old one, and how do I use the 
new

one?  I don’t remember the key strokes for that.  Thanks for anybody’s help.
Pam.

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copying and pasting

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I know how to do the regular copy and paste, but I remember that in the last 
window eyes, they changed it.  I have some questions.  It seems that the new 
one worked in certain instances, and that you used the regular copy and paste, 
meaning the control c and control v, the rest of the time.  When I go to copy 
email addresses, do I use the new one or the old one, and how do I use the new 
one?  I don’t remember the key strokes for that.  Thanks for anybody’s help.  
Pam.

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Re: window-eyes serial

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Sorry.  I never heard that that was the case with office.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: window-eyes serial

To my knowledge, when you are running the Office version of WinEyes, you
would need additional license to run any speech synthesizer apart from
Eloquence. Since the WinEyes+Office project was discontinued several
years ago, I am afraid you won't get much farther.


You could of course try calling Freedom Scientific, and ask if they
could sell you some license for Dectalk. Others might have better ideas.
Not sure if the DecTalk manufacturer would sell you a standalone
license, but might be worth a try.


David

On 11/21/2020 10:31 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Hello to all,
I just installed the latest version of window-eyes. Is there any way to 
use the dectalk access 32 synthesizer?

I have the window-eyes for office version.
Thanks,
Darrell


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Re: window-eyes serial

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

It is in there, along with the rest of the different voices.  That's what 
I'm using right now.  I don't like the rest of them.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:31 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Darrell Bowles
Subject: window-eyes serial

Hello to all,
I just installed the latest version of window-eyes. Is there any way to use 
the dectalk access 32 synthesizer?

I have the window-eyes for office version.
Thanks,
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Re: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Oh yes, ain't that the truth!  I don't know why they had to change it.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom via Talk

Sent: Monday, September 07, 2020 5:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom
Subject: RE: Win 10 And WE 9.5.4

Hi Rod,

Thanks for getting me on the right track that the apps were
causing the problem. Yesterday I went into the GW Micro
folder and deleted a bunch of apps and eventually got
Window-Eyes to at least start without immediately shutting
down. I think I'll just uninstall Window-Eyes, reinstall it
and then disable the ones causing the trouble as you suggested.

Oh, for the days of simple set files!

Tom

** Your Message **

Hi Tom,

I am running Window-Eyes with build 2004 on both Windows 10

Home and Pro with no problems.

At one time, there were a number .of apps which cause errors

and prevented Window-Eyes from even starting.

You can get Window-Eyes to start without apps running by

starting Window-Eyes and then immediately holding down the
Shift key and holding it down until it starts.

In the Window-Eyes control panel, in the Apps menu, there is

an option called App Management.

If you then open App Management using right arrow, the first

option is called App Status.

You can then press right arrow again and then one of three

options wil always be checked, On, Off, or Manual.

Indeed, holding down the Shift key when you start

Window-Eyes sets Apps to Manual.

Normally, it will be set to On, and once you disable

whatever apps you think may be causing problems, you would
set it to On.

A while back, the following apps caused me problems until I

disabled them, although they don't seem to be doing so now.

Anyway, you could disable all of these, and Window-Eyes will

work fine.

Eloquence Fix
Hotspot
JAWS quick key
WEDiag
Windows Enhanced

You would then just set your app status back to On and you

should be good to go.

You should also probably shut down and then restart

Window-Eyes.


Good luck,

Rod


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Re: Edit Boxes Won't Accept Data

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Good luck with it.  Let me know how you make out.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2020 5:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom
Subject: Re: Edit Boxes Won't Accept Data

Hi Rod,

Just downloaded it. Got to learn a lot first.

Thanks,

\Tom

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Hi Tom,

Have you tried NVDA?


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Re: Edit Boxes Won't Accept Data

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's interesting, because I have the same window eyes and all, and I 
discovered I had to switch over to Chrome for stop n shop.  I thought I 
couldn't get into the aisles, and that I couldn't enter stuff, but I 
discovered I had to spend all my life going in and out of browse mode,, so 
that's what I was going to tell you.  But when I couldn't enter stuff, 
before I knew I had to go into MSAA mode, I knew it wasn't working.  So, I'm 
surprised that it looks like you have put stuff in the edit boxes and they 
didn't come out.  It's very annoying having to go in and out all the time. 
A guy I had helping me told me they are using flash, and that he had 
trouble, and he is partially sighted.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2020 12:36 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Tom
Subject: Edit Boxes Won't Accept Data

Windows 7 Window-eyes 9.5.4

For several years I've been using Giant Direct with Internet
Explorer to order groceries with no trouble. Recently the
website no longer accepts Internet Explorer version eleven.

I tried Edge and Google Chrome and they appear to me to be
working just fine. However, when the store receives the order
they tell me it is blank. I've tried entering data with and
without browse mode.

I'll be getting Windows 10 next week but I need groceries
befroe then. ha

Anybody have a suggestion?

Tom

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Re: Some browser keys not working

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I installed the free jaws that they gave us window eyes users, and also the 
tutorial.  I set it up the way I wanted it, making it work as best as I 
could.  I didn't use it all the time.  I used it when I needed it to do 
something window eyes couldn't.  I hadn't used it for a few months.  I 
brought it up, and it came up in its original mode it was installed with.  I 
tried to set it up again, and it wouldn't let me do it.  So, I never used it 
again.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 1:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: Some browser keys not working

Hi, Yep! I’m angry about it too. Jaws just doesn’t work nearly as seamlessly 
as WE did. And, FS sucks.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:44 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

No doubt about that, but some of us would like to be able to squeeze
the  very life out of it while there is still time.


As I said before in a post of over a week or so ago, I was planning to
purchase the annual license the very day the free version of JAWS was
announced, or it would be more accurate to say, the day I was made aware
of it, so don't plan to use WE forever. But, what a great screen reader
to lose, especially to such a company as Freedom Scientific. I'm still
very angry about that.


Enough said.

On 4/3/2020 12:37 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. Soon in a 
windows update IE will be removed altogether which at that time will just 
about finish of windoweyes.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: Mike via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be,
are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I
think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the
common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the little
miracle, you might say.


I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make
sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely
separately from the version presently on your system.


Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only know
it did .

On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry


Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.
Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer
version.


Best wishes


Mike.

On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Mike,


You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you
might want  to just give this a shot.


To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about
this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely
sure how often.


What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free
offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June
30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could
find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use.
But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again
came alive.


A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.


Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs
that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might
have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with
for this working as well as it did.


Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.


HTH,


Larry



On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:


Hello Everyone

I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop.  This was a new
machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.

  I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the keys
to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for links,
C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to
find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit
boxes.  I have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same
result.  My other machines are both working normally.

  Any suggestions would be appreciated

   Mike

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Re: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Whatever it is, it must be corrupted, because it would have to be more than 
83 bytes.  Where did you get it from, now that there is no more window eyes? 
Pam.


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From: Armando Vias via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:19 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Armando Vias
Subject: Can’t Install Free Trial of Window Eyes

Hey all.

This is my first post.

For some reason, I can’t install the Window Eyes Program. It says that it is 
83 bytes. When I try to install it, my computer says that it is corrupted. I 
am using a 64-bit version of Windows 10. What should I do?


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Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you 
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one 
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the 
control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along 
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with 
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I 
least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: madl--- via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:


Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over

time.

Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath
your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and
Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got

stuck.


But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the
sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key
being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my
Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of

testing.


First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's
collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes
ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no
effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of
question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the
Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press
Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the
App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working,
attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to
the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only
opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters,
caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place.
was almost like a new computer game. hahaha.

Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then.
And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided
not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the
WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down,
all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my
choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This
way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close
down or restarting process of the screen reader.

Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened,
and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl
neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my
laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the 

Re: Braille Users, a bit off-topic

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I can remember being asked "which is your braille finger?" when somebody 
wanted to show me something.  I asked them what is a braille finger?  I read 
with all my fingers.  If I had to have a preference, it would be the middle 
three on both hands.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Natalie via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 7:09 PM
To: David via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: Braille Users, a bit off-topic

I've never heard that you use all 8 fingers to read braille. They just
have to come along as you read.  I find that my left index finger is my
main reading finger although I'm trying to train my right one, too.  It
reads but very slowly and usually takes care of the ends of lines.  My
left middle finger will work in an emergency.  With the Optacon it's the
left index and possibly the middle would do, again in an emergency.


Natalie

On 11/10/2019 6:55 PM, David via Talk wrote:

I know this is a bit off-topic, yet been wondering and wanted to hear
people's opinion on the matter. it seems this somehow have been
discussed before, still, what do you think.

As any Braille user will know, we are supposed to use 8 fingers for
reading fast and effeciently. That is, the fingers on both hands, except
our thumbs. True enough, thumbs ar on the page, but I am not aware if
anyone would claim that they really read with their thumbs. When
discussing Braille reading back in time, my impression is that though we
use 8 fingers on the page, seemingly particularly ONE finger stands out
to be the number-one for reading. That finger is the one the user will
prefer, should he ever need to read something with only one finger. And
you often do want to do one-finger-reading. Whenever you are to find a
volume in your bookshelf, or you are to read the Braille tag telling the
color of your cloghing, or any other narrow and tight places. Try
searching for the page number in a book, using 8 fingers. Smile.

My big wondering here, could be three-fold - at least. First of all, is
this the case, that you have one "main finger" for reading Braille?
Secondly, if so, say you are a right-handed person, is your prefered
finger then on your left or right hand; and consequently same question
for left-handed people. Number three, which finger is your prefered one?
Will it be your Index-finger, Middle-finger or does your preference sit
with any of the others? Even, we could be tempted to ask if people find
the same finger being their main "seeing" finger, whenever you are to
explore your way on any surface, or perform daily tasks around the
house, office or workshop.

Those who happen to be users of the no-longer manufactured reading
equipment named Optacon, would be using mainly one finger, due to the
very shape of the Optacon itself. And though it might be nice to know
alternative on that equipment, my question widens out for Braille users
in general, due to that being a more representative group.

For one, I find that I have one finger, that is of special good service.
Whether it comes to Braille, or simply just "seeing" what I am doing
when working, that one finger is my top preference. Should I - for any
reasons - find that the finger is out of business for a day or two,
braille reading as well as many daily living tasks, become somehow more
challenging. And I could think of people suffering from Diabetes - who
have to punch their finger tips seveeral times a day - probably they
prefer to leave their prefered-finger untouched by any puncher.

Not to disturb you all in making up your own mind, for now I will leave
it untold which finger I personal find most useful. If anyone feels like
sharing their experience, or know of any study that has been dealing
with the matter, it would be nice to hear your feedback. Otherwise,
maybe this message might just have made you aware of something of lesser
interest, yet quite puzzling.

Sorry, to those who find it too much off-topic.
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Re: email

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's not necessarily true, though, because windows live mail is free, even 
though microsoft doesn't support it anymore, and that's what I'm using right 
this minute to email you.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: tony c via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 9:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: tony c
Subject: RE: email

Hi, The thing here that I see is that in order for us using adaptive 
technology, being able touse an email program means we have to pay for it, 
when the rest of the “sighted” world uses dozens of them for free. I 
strongly disagree with this logic. It’s certainly not equal access. I only 
need a email program, don’t give a rat’s rear end about a Microsoft office 
or any of that. Tony


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 7:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the 
cursor.

This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft 
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the 
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple 
Mac.

I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf 
Of tony c via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little 
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail 
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
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Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


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On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
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Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 
10, it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony


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Re: email

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Really?  I can still use window eyes with windows live mail, and I haven't 
noticed a difference.  So I don't know what you mean about window eyes 
stopped tracking the cursor.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2019 8:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: email

Hi Darrell,

Thunderbird worked great for me until Window-Eyes stopped tracking the 
cursor.

This was the second email client which did this to me.
The previous one was Windows Live Mail.
Since I switched to Office 365 Outlook, this has not happened.
I know that Office 365 costs money on an ongoing basis, but Microsoft 
regularly improves its accessibility, and so staying with it gives you the 
best opportunity to use accessible email software on Windows and the Apple 
Mac.

I know, I say this all the time. Smile

With respect,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: November 7, 2019 8:48 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: email

How about thunderbird?


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf 
Of tony c via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: tony c 
Subject: RE: email

I know outlook is accessible, but I don’t need office 365. I use very little 
of anything except Microsoft word on a rare occasion. I just hate the mail 
program that’s with win 10. I do use it but it’s not totally accessible.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: joseph hudson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: joseph hudson
Subject: Re: email

Hi Tony, Outlook is very accessible.


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On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:26 PM, tony c via Talk  
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Hi, I need a accessible email program. I’m using the one that on windows 
10, it is useable but just barely. Lol Tony


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Re: Is there another jaws email list?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Yes; I wish so, too.  I think it's the best screen reader of them all. 
Also, if I change to mvda or system access, I don't think I can use my 
braille display.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: joan buzza via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 10:57 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: joan buzza
Subject: RE: Is there another jaws email list?

Olusegun and all,

I have a file of about a hundred pages full of notes I got from the jaws
email list.  The problem is that I find jaws cumbersome, so I have not yet
made much progress with it.  Window eyes is my choice, and when I have a
problem, I switch to n v d a.  I am not very good with n v d a, but I know
the parts I need to complement window eyes.  There are too many key
combinations.  I want window eyes to come back and be developed!

joan

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jbuzza1=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 11:00 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is there another jaws email list?

Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT ALWAYS
ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.

All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to completely
part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we could.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
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Re: Is there another jaws email list?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Yes!  I would so much love for it to be revived and updated.  I'm not sure 
if the problems I'm having with my computer have to do with window eyes or 
something else.  I'm still using windows 7 and window eyes, but I'm also 
using internet explorer.  I get a lot of blank spaces.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 10:59 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is there another jaws email list?

Joan, you didn't mess up regarding Window-Eyes list.  The list is NOT ALWAYS
ACTIVE.  There are occasional posts now and then.

All that aside, many of us are diehards here, not quite ready to completely
part with Window-Eyes!  I'm sure we'll wake it up again if we could.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: WinEyes Error Reports on Startup

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

The error report thing has only happened to me every once-in-a-while.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 7:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: WinEyes Error Reports on Startup

Using Windows 7 64-bit on an old laptop. I reported a few days ago that WE
9.5.4 was giving error messages, asking to send error reports to AI Squared.
This happened frequently, but not every time, for a few days. For the last 3
or so days it has stopped happening. I imagine this had to do with an update
to either Windows 7 or to Microsoft Security Essentials. I try to run
updates frequently, including the "quality rollup" ones that are optional
but probably become essential at the next Patch Tuesday.
So this is just another one of life's mysteries.
I don't think my Windows 10 computer, which I don't use as much, is up to
2019-3 yet, so can't tell you anything yet about the storage problem. But
that machine has a hard drive instead of an SSD, so it has plenty of room to
store files.

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Re: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I remember, many years ago, somebody sent out an April Fools email that said 
Microsoft was buying GW Micro, then they said "April fools!"  A while later, 
they teamed up with Microsoft so you could get a free window eyes if you 
purchased MS Office.  So, that made it sound like it was starting to 
actually become a reality.  But in the end, I think the free window eyes is 
what made GW Micro go down the tubes.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 9:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Microsoft Talks Raising the Bar on Accessibility

Sky, perhaps I am terribly selfish, stupid, and a fool to boot; Microsoft
should have bought Window-Eyes for integration into Windows.  If it had, it
would have had a TALKING INSTALLER more than 25 years ago and would not need
to reinvent the wheels.

I'm always dreaming, I just hope I don't fall off the cliff.  Anyhow, I'm
sure glad that GW Micro staff are over there teaching and helping Microsoft
to do the right thing!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's a shame, too, because I think window eyes is the best of them all. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:49 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

Hello. I doubt Vispero will ever put the Window-Eyes code into the public so
others can develop it. What I can say is that JAWS doesn't have much brain
left. That means, they are running out of ideas now.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:20 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
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Subject: RE: person who made the sound forge NVDA add-on

Tom, based on the information you shared regarding NVDA scripting, I will
give off every hair on my wee, small head to bring Window-Eyes back to live.
I'm not a programmer, and, indeed, those Custom Control thingies always
threw me off.  On occasions, I succeeded in reclassifying most of them into
Edit Box and got them to work.  But, honestly, I knew not what I did!
Window-Eyes just worked for me ...  It did put food on my dining table,
enabled me to advocate for myself, and also gave me a chance to interact
with some of the most brilliant minds in this assistive/adaptive/accessible
technology field.  I get the same from Android presently; hence the reason
why I want to DITCH WINDOWS and keep on running with my Shiny Android toys!


Window-Eyes was murdered just because it ran circles around its grandiest
enemies.  How I wish the visionaries at GW Micro, Inc. had seen this coming!
But alas, the human angle hardly ever sees what's going wrong until the
pendulum swings and falls, splitting the brain in parts that fall below the
deepest sea!

No, if I can help it, I don't wish to play ball with Windows10!  A complete
divorce from Windows screen readers is what I seek; right now, legacy
Windows apps used for work still hold me hostage to Windows.  Hopefully, it
won't be long before I can disentangle myself completely.

I'm playing with an 11.5-inch Android tablet; it is a bit perplexing for me.
Guess that's because of its real estate.  A much bigger space on a
touchscreen to deal with.  Looks somewhat intimidating, but I am pretty sure
I shall conquer it before long.  I am planning on grabbing a 7-inch or
8-inch tablet to play with.  With a tad smaller real estate, the
intimidation should cease and a much larger tablet won't embarrass me much
to much anymore.  As I do this, I am watching all my Windows computers die
so I can send them to their last place in the recycle dump.

If somehow the Window-Eyes code finds its way back to where more brilliant
minds can weave magic out of it, I'll be all ears!  I also wish that, when
Window-Eyes reincarnates, it can be ported over to Android and thus be a
serious contender to Talkback, VoiceViews, VoiceAssistant, Shine and
Commentary.  I know I'm hallucinating, not just trying to dream of the
impossible; but keeping hope alive is not yet a sin in my books!

Again, Tom, thanks a ton for your invaluable insights.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I never liked eloquence.  I use dec-talk.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:10 PM
To: Evan Reese via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

That's my take on it too.


I am also a Winamp user, and figure that neither JAWS or NVDA will ever
be able to work with it as well.


I am also a subscriber to Bookshare, and find that IE will work with
their DAISY formatted books quite adaquitly.


The last, but not least thing I also have to consider is Eloquence,
still my favorite speech voice. IE though is really becoming a bit
problematic on more and more pages, so I am going to have to do
something soon I'm afraid.


I don't really want to go the Code Factory rout  due to their validation
scheme, and if I reluctantly move to JAWS, that will be one hassle I
wont have to face.


Oh the joys of blindness.


On 5/14/2019 1:20 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote:

I've already had to do it.
My Window Eyes will absolutely not work with Skype anymore, and it won't 
work with Firefox either.
But I still use WE whenever I can, for instance I'm using it now to write 
this. It works great with Windows Live Mail, and it works better with 
Winamp, my main audio player, than JAWS probably ever will.

I'll use it as long as I possibly can for whatever I can.
Evan

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:05 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this
matter, I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no
longer function so well.


I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too,
but totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws.
Man, is that gona hurt something awful.

On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 1809 
and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works well 
with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an error 
when the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app 
choice, no error message is received. Does anyone know what is happening 
here?



Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I did the same thing, but jaws never cooperated with me.  I set it up like I 
wanted it, and it dropped all my settings.  When I went to reset them, it 
wouldn't let me.  I no longer have the computer I had installed it on.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Larry,

Because I owned WE, and had 2 SMAs, I was able to get Jaws for free.

-Bob
r...@ringwald.com


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 11:05 AM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this
matter, I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no
longer function so well.


I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too,
but totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws.
Man, is that gona hurt something awful.

On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:

Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 1809
and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works well
with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an error when
the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app choice, no
error message is received. Does anyone know what is happening here?


Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: 2

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Okay, sorry I'm popping in in the middle of this.  Do you have a regular 
keyboard?  If you do, it's on the righthand side, between the alt and the 
control.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: 2

SHIFT F 10 and R does nothing. I don't know where the applications is.

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:08 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: 2

Tom,

Why uncheck run as administrater when done? Why not continue to run as
administrator?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 11:50 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: 2

Thanks, John.
Okay, Bob. Here's how to run Window-Eyes as an administrator.
Go to the Window-Eyes shortcut on your desktop.
Press the Applications key or Shift+F10 to open the context menu.
Press the letter R for properties.
Tab down to the Advanced button and press it.
check the check box to run it as an administrator.
Press the OK button to close it.
Now close Window-Eyes and then re-open it with Control+Alt+W.
change the startup settings and save your settings.
Now, go back into the desktop shortcut and uncheck run as administrator.
Shut down Window-Eyes again and reload it.
Hth,
Tom


On 4/3/2019 1:55 PM, John Covici wrote:

Its something they never fixed.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 13:49:25 -0400,
Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:


Oh yeah, you're right, John. I forgot because I run an
administrator's account. But shouldn't you get a UAC prompt
rather than having to go to an admin account or change the file
properties?


On 4/3/2019 10:46 AM, John Covici wrote:

I think you need to run WE as administrator for this to work.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 09:09:47 -0400,
Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:


Hi Bob,
I don't use JAWS. So I can't help you there.
As for loading at startup? Here's the procedure, just to make
sure you're covering all the bases.
Go to General, Startup Options.
Tab once and you should hear Run Window-Eyes at the Login
Screen. Run Window-Eyes after login for all users.
Tab again to the Set Options button and press the space bar.
Shift+Tab up and uncheck both check boxes. Then back to the OK
button and press space bar.
Tab once to the After logging in, run Window-Eyes using the
global startup options radio button and make sure it's
selected. Alternatively you can change it to never run
Window-Eyes. But this is just the after logging in option. You
want to make sure it's not running at the login screen. Changing
both in the global options takes care of this.
Tab to the save button and press it, or press Control+S to save
your settings.
Hth,
Tom



On 4/2/2019 7:01 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

1. What is the best email list for a new Jaws user to join to ask
simple questions?

2. In Window-Eyes I keep setting the parameter to not come on when
computer is booting. Ithen save the setting but it does not save. I
have the last version of W E.

Also using Windows 10.

questions
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Re: List Gone?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Not that I know of.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 6:48 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Tom
Subject: List Gone?

Has this list been terminated?

Tom

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Re: Did You Accidentially Delete A Message? {Was} NVDA mailing list

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's right; I forgot about the junk folder in windows live mail.  But when 
I delete a message, it goes to the deleted items folder.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 1:46 PM
To: CJ MAY via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Did You Accidentially Delete A Message? {Was} NVDA mailing list

I have both a junk folder and a trash folder in Thunderbird. I clear
both out by selecting select all followed by shift delete.
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Re: Did You Accidentially Delete A Message? {Was} NVDA mailing list

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

What do you mean by the bin folder?  Do you mean the recycle bin?  That's 
the only trash folder I know of.  The only other thing like that I know of 
is the deleted items folder in the email program.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: CJ MAY via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 12:15 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Did You Accidentially Delete A Message? {Was} NVDA mailing list

Am I right though, that the deleted messages actually go to the "bin"
folder? Only unwanted ads etc. go to your "trash" folder?

Alison

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Re: Did You Accidentially Delete A Message? {Was} NVDA mailing list

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's one reason I have never had it set to empty the deleted items folder 
when I shut the computer off, no matter what email program I use.  This way, 
I control when I get rid of the messages.  The only time I use shift delete 
is when I have a message that won't delete the normal way.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 12:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Did You Accidentially Delete A Message? {Was} NVDA mailing list

Well, some of us use shift-delete.  There is no going back from that
one.  Also, if one should think they are finished with email and close
the program, there goes the trash on many systems.  So, it is not always
so easy to bring back something from the trash folder.  One must
remember they needed that file before leaving the mail program.  I have
personally tried to help others that have lost files this way.  The only
way to be sure a message is not deleted until you delete it from the
trash is to make certain that "empty trash on exit" is turned off.  This
means you will have to empty the trash as you go along.

Carol


On 3/1/2018 11:42 AM, David via Talk wrote:

For all members of the list,

As a friendly reminder:


We all eventually touch that Delete-key, when it was inconvenient. That
important message should not have been deleted; and what do you do now?


First of all, all the mail clients I have been in touch with, do have a
Trash folder. Whenever you hit the Delete-key, messages typically are
moved there. They are not altered, or modified in any way. As a matter
of fact, do you go to the trash folder of your mail program, you can
quickly "re-insert" the message, back inot the folder it originally
belonged to. So, before asking the group members to send out yet another
message, generating extra clutter on the list, and taking up time from
others, may you please check your trash folder first.


One thing is, when you have deleted a message that is several days,
weeks or even months old. It then could be a mess to try refinding it in
the trash folder. But if you know it is only a few days ago the original
message was received, it should be not too hard to bring it back on-stage.


Oh for sure, there is a way to permanently delete a message. It might
often be a combo with the delete-key, like Shift-Del, or Ctrl-Del -
depending on your mail client. Did you happen to use that combo when
deleting the message? Please, don't despair all yet. At the bottom of
any message from the list, there is a short note that reads:


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How about that? Smiles.

And then, what if you are using a web-based mail service? I was under
the impression that even those services do offer the Trash feature,
although they might name it indifferently.

OK, was it only a short note you are looking for, like a mail address or
some subscription information, it might not be too hard for others to
retype and resend the info. But what about when you ask for a
wtep-through guide of some sort? Besides, even refinding subscription
info or the like, might take a bit of time from others, in their sincere
wish to help you out.

Again, I did not mean to discourage anyone from asking questions on the
list. I just wanted to remind all, that sometimes our mistakes do call
for a tiny bit of fooling around, on our own computer. Smiles. Let's ask
the list, when we do not have a chance of getting to the info ourselves,
or when we know someone might have an answer that works the best.

this list is not the worst, believe me. I have seen lists where people
tend to ask the same old questions over and over again, or spread the
same old story or other information. It seems no trouble, it is only a
line or two. But did you all know, an electronic mail holds numerous
lines. It has a load of technical information enclosed, to let the
servers between you and the recipient know how to handle the message. If
the mail is written in HTML, it will hold loads and hives of coding.
All-in-all, even if you only typed in 23 characters, your actual load on
the net servers might be more like 1000. In today's world, 1000
characters, or approx one Kilobyte, might seem harmless. But what do you
think, if one thousand users do the same? Or even, remember when you ask
a question, someone has to reply, and their reply might hold even a copy
of your message, raising the total load into the multiples. As a matter
of fact, even small clutter on every list, might bgenerate tons of
unnecessary net resources. And net resources are not out of the blue.
They do take servers to spin, fans to cool, and distribution centrals
for the cabling to operate. All of this takes electricity. Well, not
much to bother, but still might be worth to remind us all sometimes.

BTW, it was told on the radio the other day, that when you have a video
conference with your friend - say over 

Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I think that most of the people who like jaws have either used jaws since 
they started using computers, or have used it for years, even though they 
started off using something else.  I started off with window bridge, and 
then I got window eyes about maybe fourteen years ago.  I used older 
versions of jaws, but that was only when I was taking computer classes in 
the early 2000s or late 1990s.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:23 PM
To: lynn white via Talk
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: from window eyes to jaws to NVDA

I realize that you can't speak for others, and that each of us has
different needs, priorities, and biases, but I wonder why why some find
Jaws to be clunky while others (such as you) are quite satisfied.  I
wonder if using "outdated" software (such as Windows-7) contributes to
the problem.

That said, while I took advantage of the Jaws offer, I have yet to
migrate to Jaws and have yet to download Windows-10.  Things are running
smoothly and I hate to rock the boat.  The other issue which makes me
hesitate is Jaws' reliance on the insert key.  I use a left-handed
keyboard with the microsoft feature Sticky Keys and have never really
understood how to incorporate the insert feature with the caps lock key,
but I digress.

On 2/22/2018 3:10 PM, lynn white via Talk wrote:

Not to be contrary, I've been a Jaws user at home for over three years
and love it after being a devoted Window-Eyes user since almost day one.


I used Jaws for a number of years at work.  But, when they offered a
great home use program, I jumped at the chance and was glad that I did
even though I hated to see Window-Eyes go.


My personal feeling is that one is better served by having access to
more than one screen reader as well as learning more than one internet
browser.  Praise the Lord that we have choices.


I will say that these upgrades to these products gets rather expensive.
Not blaming Freedom Scientific.  But, when you have a family and/or you
also have other interests or needs, even the sma program becomes another
cost that requires budget juggling.


On 2/22/2018 12:36 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

I also think Jaws sucks! I wasted money migrating to jaws. Don't
remember the cost for 2 upgrades, somewhere around 120 bucks. I gave
it  a go for about one month and said F it! Been using NVDA ever
since. occasionally use window eyes navigating windows itself, like
control, panel, settings etc. MS one core voice David sounds pretty
good in NVDA.
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Re: version 9.5.4

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I had the same problem.  I am using window eyes, but I needed them to 
reinstall it.  I told them what I needed, and I had pressed the button for 
help other than jaws, and they made me wait on the phone for two hours.  I 
finally got a guy who said if I was using jaws, he could remote into my 
computer, and when I said I needed help with window eyes, he said he 
couldn't help me.  This was some time last year already.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: version 9.5.4

I hope this request won't cause any list member to get bent out of shape as
it certainly is not intended to offend anyone.

Yesterday, I contacted V F O to request a link to the Window-eyes version
9.5.4.  I did so because my copy is acting flaky, so I wanted to completely
uninstall and subsequently reinstall it.  Unfortunately, my CD has been
damaged and is now unplayable.  V F O said that they discontinued that
service, so I am now up the creek without a paddle if or until some kind
soul will provide me with a copy of the program along with a serial number.
I know my serial number, but it does me no good because I do not believe
that I could substitute my serial for the one on another user's CD.

So I will say no more but hope that some kind list member will write me off
list at:

donald.robert...@gmail.com .

Thanks for any assistance.

Don Roberts

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Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I use the last version of internet explorer.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:25 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Hi Pam,

I too have been getting the silence and i'm not sure what the cause is. I
think it's the internet being so busy. I got an upgrade to my tv box on
Virgin media yesterday and the difference is amazing. No hang ups at all.
Fingers crossed. It might be that firefox could be the problem as well. I
haven't tried internet explorer as it is a terrible program as well.

What browser are you using? It might be interesting to see if others on the
list are fairing out with different browsers?

Live long and prosper, John

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From: "Pamela Dominguez via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:03 PM
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Pamela Dominguez" <geo...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I use window eyes, too, but I have been having a problem with window eyes. 
It doesn't read some kinds of email correctly, specifically the ones that 
come from yahoomail.  Some lists are on yahoo.  It jumps lines.  One time 
when window eyes stopped talking and I had to have them fix it for me, 
they downloaded it from there and the problem went away.  But after that, 
I had to reformat my hard drive, and when we downloaded it from the disk 
and got the updates, it went back to its stupid reading problem.  Also, it 
will suddenly lose focus and go silent.  Otherwise, I would use it 
forever.  I'm using it right now.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Hi Pam,

Jws is the most cumbersome, antiquated interface imaginable. to is 
sluggish,

clunky, long winded and I agree it is the worst screen reader of it's
supposed class in the universe, in the known Universe.lol I detest it.

I gave it a go and right from the start it started to bug me. I will
continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any more. I'm also 
sticking

to windows 7 as long as I can as well.

I used to think that everyone who always promoted jws over window-eyes
hadn't really tried window-eyes. Now I know they didn'to, they couldn't 
have

or they would have seen what we have seen about the most frustrating and
overpriced screen reader on the market.

Live long and prosper, John

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Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I use window eyes, too, but I have been having a problem with window eyes. 
It doesn't read some kinds of email correctly, specifically the ones that 
come from yahoomail.  Some lists are on yahoo.  It jumps lines.  One time 
when window eyes stopped talking and I had to have them fix it for me, they 
downloaded it from there and the problem went away.  But after that, I had 
to reformat my hard drive, and when we downloaded it from the disk and got 
the updates, it went back to its stupid reading problem.  Also, it will 
suddenly lose focus and go silent.  Otherwise, I would use it forever.  I'm 
using it right now.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: bj colt via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Hi Pam,

Jws is the most cumbersome, antiquated interface imaginable. to is sluggish,
clunky, long winded and I agree it is the worst screen reader of it's
supposed class in the universe, in the known Universe.lol I detest it.

I gave it a go and right from the start it started to bug me. I will
continue to use window-eyes till I can't use it any more. I'm also sticking
to windows 7 as long as I can as well.

I used to think that everyone who always promoted jws over window-eyes
hadn't really tried window-eyes. Now I know they didn'to, they couldn't have
or they would have seen what we have seen about the most frustrating and
overpriced screen reader on the market.

Live long and prosper, John

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Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

At least I'm not the only one who feels like this.  I know I am slow about 
things, so I felt like it was just me!  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 11:43 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

A lot to understand about the JAWS user interface?Indeed. I've been on
computers since the DOS days and have never seen a less user friendly
interface. I couldn't come up with such a menacing mess if I tried. I
don't know how their developers sleep at night.

We have enough to battle with. I didn't in a million years expect such a
nightmare in a screen-reader.

On 2/22/2018 11:08 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Sorry; I haven't used this insert j thing for a long time.  I didn't hit 
the alt key after.  But there is a lot to understand.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did insert j, and all it says is jaws home use.  if I arrow down, it 
says
the version, and the only other thing it asks me is if I want to update. 
If

I tab, it says nothing.  If I arrow, it says nothing else.  So, help is
useless.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:05 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

The voices are free.
Press insert j then go to the help menu.
Arrow down until you hear, "More voices."
Press enter.
You want the premium voices Tom or Nathan are very good.
If I can help further, you can call me at 702-568-5774.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I had done that, and it still says everything.  I tried all of the stuff
that we were given when the transfer was done.  There were some setup
tutorials on how to work it and how to set it up.  How do I get to hear 
what

those voices sound like?  I think you have to buy them.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

You can turn the camas and periods off.
Press insert then go to basic then to voice ajustments and set the
punctuation to none.
Have you tried the vocalizier Expressive voices?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:04 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did, but I hate jaws.  Jaws acts as if we are simpletons.  I hate, for
instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know
who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the 
whole

thing, not just the body of the message.  I also hate that you can't turn
certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff.
And that eloquence is terrible!  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android 
tablet;

the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL 
NOT

cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Sorry; I haven't used this insert j thing for a long time.  I didn't hit the 
alt key after.  But there is a lot to understand.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did insert j, and all it says is jaws home use.  if I arrow down, it says
the version, and the only other thing it asks me is if I want to update.  If
I tab, it says nothing.  If I arrow, it says nothing else.  So, help is
useless.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:05 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

The voices are free.
Press insert j then go to the help menu.
Arrow down until you hear, "More voices."
Press enter.
You want the premium voices Tom or Nathan are very good.
If I can help further, you can call me at 702-568-5774.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I had done that, and it still says everything.  I tried all of the stuff
that we were given when the transfer was done.  There were some setup
tutorials on how to work it and how to set it up.  How do I get to hear what
those voices sound like?  I think you have to buy them.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

You can turn the camas and periods off.
Press insert then go to basic then to voice ajustments and set the
punctuation to none.
Have you tried the vocalizier Expressive voices?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:04 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did, but I hate jaws.  Jaws acts as if we are simpletons.  I hate, for
instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know
who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the whole
thing, not just the body of the message.  I also hate that you can't turn
certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff.
And that eloquence is terrible!  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I did insert j, and all it says is jaws home use.  if I arrow down, it says 
the version, and the only other thing it asks me is if I want to update.  If 
I tab, it says nothing.  If I arrow, it says nothing else.  So, help is 
useless.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:05 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: Is it true that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

The voices are free.
Press insert j then go to the help menu.
Arrow down until you hear, "More voices."
Press enter.
You want the premium voices Tom or Nathan are very good.
If I can help further, you can call me at 702-568-5774.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I had done that, and it still says everything.  I tried all of the stuff
that we were given when the transfer was done.  There were some setup
tutorials on how to work it and how to set it up.  How do I get to hear what
those voices sound like?  I think you have to buy them.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

You can turn the camas and periods off.
Press insert then go to basic then to voice ajustments and set the
punctuation to none.
Have you tried the vocalizier Expressive voices?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:04 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did, but I hate jaws.  Jaws acts as if we are simpletons.  I hate, for
instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know
who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the whole
thing, not just the body of the message.  I also hate that you can't turn
certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff.
And that eloquence is terrible!  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I had done that, and it still says everything.  I tried all of the stuff 
that we were given when the transfer was done.  There were some setup 
tutorials on how to work it and how to set it up.  How do I get to hear what 
those voices sound like?  I think you have to buy them.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

You can turn the camas and periods off.
Press insert then go to basic then to voice ajustments and set the
punctuation to none.
Have you tried the vocalizier Expressive voices?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:04 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Pamela Dominguez <geo...@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did, but I hate jaws.  Jaws acts as if we are simpletons.  I hate, for
instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know
who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the whole
thing, not just the body of the message.  I also hate that you can't turn
certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff.
And that eloquence is terrible!  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: help restoring XP computer

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

How can   you use 8.1 on an xp computer?  I'm sure you couldn't use windows 
10, so I don't know why he gave you windows 10 instructions.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 2:59 AM
To: James ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

Yes, but unfortunately, I only have Windows 8.1, not Windows 10.

-Original Message- 
From: James via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: James
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

Hi.

That is why you use the Custom_system_restore App. You can do it in 3 key
strokes.
- Original Message - 
From: "peter Chin via Talk" 

To: "Carol and Roger via Talk" 
Cc: "peter Chin" 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer


As far as restoring is concerned, I regret to say that I have not found
Window-Eyes very helpful. Jaws seem to be better for this.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:55 AM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: Re: help restoring XP computer

I use nero, and I have a version for xp if he wants it.  Go to start,
then programs, then system tools.  Arrow down a bit and you'll see
restore.  I've never done thisk, so don't know how well or if it talks
well.  you also might try sfc, that is system file checker, I forget the
command line switches.  I can do some more idigging for you if needed.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Sun, 18 Feb 2018, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:


Hi Group,

My brother is running an old XP computer with Window-Eyes.  He has it in
his basement and it is not on line.  Recently, he wanted to burn a CD and
it would not work.  He had a similar problem on his regular PC and a
restoration fixed the issue.  He can not find out how to do a system
restore on the XP machine.  I know there are still a few XP users here and
thought I would see if they had any suggestions.  Thanks.

Carol


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Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I did, but I hate jaws.  Jaws acts as if we are simpletons.  I hate, for 
instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know 
who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the whole 
thing, not just the body of the message.  I also hate that you can't turn 
certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff. 
And that eloquence is terrible!  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: window eyes will not work with win10 version1803

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Jaws does that, too, but it drives me crazy!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: Re: window eyes will not work with win10 version1803

I wonder who put that opinion forth? We'll just have to see, since I use
window-eyes exclusively with Becky! my email client. I could use NVDA,
but it reads too many lines at the top of message(s) E.G. who from,
subject, etc. inside the message viewing pane.

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:16:41 -0500
Dennis via Talk  wrote:

I saw on a windows 10 mailing list that windowEyes will not work with the 
next version of win10.

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Re: Version 9.5.4

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

So, where is the message?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Charles Adkins
Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4



Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 19, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Loy Green via Talk 
 wrote:


Open the WE  control panel with control backslash and go to about under 
the help menu.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Patricia Krinke via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Patricia Krinke
 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 3:15 PM
 Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4


 How does one get to the serial number nowadays?  I have forgotten how, 
and

 maybe it doesn't matter anymore.


 Trish

 -Original Message- 
 From: Loy Green via Talk

 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:01 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Loy Green
 Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

 Contact VFO. They were giving out links to download, but not sure if they
 are still doing so.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

   To: Rod Hutton
   Cc: Donald L. Roberts
   Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:33 PM
   Subject: Version 9.5.4


   Hello,

   I need to reinstall Window-eyes 9.5.4 but cannot locate my CD.  I do of
 course have my serial number but want to know if there is somewhere from
 where I can download the CD.

   Thanks.

   Don Roberts
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Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I don't think they even do that anymore.  Last time I needed help from them, 
they made me wait for two hours on hold, then they gave me a person who only 
knew jaws, and said he couldn't help me with window eyes, even though I had 
said I specifically needed window eyes.  And this was something like four 
months ago.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:23 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD

If you are a license owner of WE. VFO can give you a link to download a 
copy.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Joe Sontag via Talk

 To: terrydea...@yahoo.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Joe Sontag
 Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:16 PM
 Subject: Re: Window Eyes 9.5 CD


 And I'll be glad to discuss a second WE9.5.
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Terry D. Eagle via Talk" 

 To: 
 Cc: "Terry D. Eagle" 
 Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 14:29
 Subject: Window Eyes 9.5 CD


 > If there is anyone that wishes to part with a Window Eyes 9.5 CD please
 > write to me at terrydea...@yahoo.com.
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Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I've never heard of a snapphone, but I most definitely don't have an iPhone. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

A Snapfon is a simple cell phone. It is made for seniors thus has large
numbers and button that are well spaced apart for easy feeling. Easy for the
blind.

It is not an Iphone. Just a simple, inexpensive cell phone for those of us
who do not need an expensive Iphone.

It announces the numbers as you press them. Unfortunately it does not talk
to set the functions. You will need a sighted person to help with that.

If you are happy with your Iphone, then forget it. But if you are looking
for a simple cell phone, this is it.

I had an Iphone for 3 years and never could learn to use it. So I dumped it.

It has nothing to do with a Victor Reader. I just mentioned that I got one
of those also.

If anyone is interested in looking at the Snapfon, go to:

https://www.snapfon.com/big-button-cell-phone/

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 8:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

What is a snapfone?  Also, what do that and a victor stream have to do with
the reader?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

I also couldn't get the hang of gestures on an Ipod or Ipone. So dumped
them. Got a Snapfon ad a Victor Stream. Marvelous.



-Bob Ringwald




-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:29 PM
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Butch Bussen ; Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

Thanks much.  Well, it is like anything, if you know how it is simple.
I've messed with my i pod a good bit and just can't get the hang of
jestures.  Give me buttons.  I may look for a newer ipod just for the
reader.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Touch screens are easy to use. And if your ipod is 3 or 4 years old its 
camera probably is not good enough for knfb reader. You need a new one. A 
new ipod touch 6th gen.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 14:08
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

How would I know.  I think it is an ipod touch, five I think.  I've had
it 3 or 4 years I think.  I don't use it much at all, can't get use to
touch screens.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:


Yes if the ipod has 8mp camera with flash then it will work fine.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 09:56
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I don't have an i phone, will it work with an i pod?  Not sure what
version of firmware I have.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy via Talk
wrote:


Ok here is how you use knfb reader this is just an example.
Imagine you are a student in college. You have some paper handouts that 
you got from class that you cannot read, you also have  a print 
textbook. So how do you read it? First you unlock your android phone or 
your iPhone. Then you go into the knnfb reader app. And then you hold 
the phone a foot above the page. And then you press the field of view 
report button first making sure you are pointing the camera on the 
bottom of the phone down towards the page. Then you hit field of view 
report button you double tap it on the phone’s touch screen. You 
hear your phone say outloud with its screen reader:


All four corners of the page are visible.

Then holding the phone as steady as you can, you double tap the take 
picture button. The phone snaps a photo of the page, does OCR on the 
text, and reads the text out loud to you. And you can scan whole entire 
books very very fast with just the 8mp camera on your smartphone.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 19:18
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?



-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans

Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

What is a snapfone?  Also, what do that and a victor stream have to do with 
the reader?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

I also couldn't get the hang of gestures on an Ipod or Ipone. So dumped
them. Got a Snapfon ad a Victor Stream. Marvelous.



-Bob Ringwald




-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:29 PM
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Butch Bussen ; Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

Thanks much.  Well, it is like anything, if you know how it is simple.
I've messed with my i pod a good bit and just can't get the hang of
jestures.  Give me buttons.  I may look for a newer ipod just for the
reader.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Touch screens are easy to use. And if your ipod is 3 or 4 years old its 
camera probably is not good enough for knfb reader. You need a new one. A 
new ipod touch 6th gen.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 14:08
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

How would I know.  I think it is an ipod touch, five I think.  I've had
it 3 or 4 years I think.  I don't use it much at all, can't get use to
touch screens.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:


Yes if the ipod has 8mp camera with flash then it will work fine.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 09:56
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I don't have an i phone, will it work with an i pod?  Not sure what
version of firmware I have.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy via Talk
wrote:


Ok here is how you use knfb reader this is just an example.
Imagine you are a student in college. You have some paper handouts that 
you got from class that you cannot read, you also have  a print 
textbook. So how do you read it? First you unlock your android phone or 
your iPhone. Then you go into the knnfb reader app. And then you hold 
the phone a foot above the page. And then you press the field of view 
report button first making sure you are pointing the camera on the 
bottom of the phone down towards the page. Then you hit field of view 
report button you double tap it on the phone’s touch screen. You 
hear your phone say outloud with its screen reader:


All four corners of the page are visible.

Then holding the phone as steady as you can, you double tap the take 
picture button. The phone snaps a photo of the page, does OCR on the 
text, and reads the text out loud to you. And you can scan whole entire 
books very very fast with just the 8mp camera on your smartphone.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 19:18
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?



-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans, button labels and serial numbers on
gadgets, etc. It also works pretty good when you have to read your
computer screen or any other kind of display.
There's also a free one from Microsoft called seeing AI. It's useful but
doesn't compare to KNFB when it comes right down to it.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 2:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Yes you can read pdfs with it. It works on iPhone and android and on
windows10 devices.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 13:12
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: What is a KNFB Reader?

I see it is on sale.

Can you read PDFs with it?





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Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Yes, I have read packages and labels when my bar code reader won't.  It 
sometimes takes a long time, though.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 5:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

Hi,
Just a little question.  Can the knfb reader read a label on a can of soup,
just as an example?  I have been told yes as well as no.  Would really
appreciate a straight answer on this.  Thanks so much.

Norene



-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 9:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

Yes. I got a couple stands. One is a little tripod with a spring loaded
slide clamp to hold the phone. The other is a laminated cardboard box
that was originally designed for folks needing to scan documents while
traveling on business. It folds up flat and when you expand it magnets
hold it together. So you sit the phone on top with the camera looking
through a peep whole and put what you want to scan in the box. There's
two models. One with a little set of LED lights inside and the other
without. It can use a battery or AC power. And it wasn't expensive. 29
or 39 bucks. something like that.
I can't remember the name of it. But I'll look around to see if I kept
any notes on it.
I don't use either much because I don't have the need to scan books or
long documents. But they work good.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/23/2017 9:37 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
Did you get a stand?  I hear using a stand makes it a lot easier when 
scanning a book etc.


-Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 5:00 PM
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

Actually I seldom use the field of view report. It was fine when I first
got the app. But once I got used to reasonable placement of the phone
for the picture I stopped using it. Then again, I'm usually not using it
for critical reading where I need the absolute best. In that situation I
would use it. So it's not totally necessary. Just my opinion.
regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 7:27 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Ok here is how you use knfb reader this is just an example.
Imagine you are a student in college. You have some paper handouts that 
you got from class that you cannot read, you also have  a print textbook. 
So how do you read it? First you unlock your android phone or your 
iPhone. Then you go into the knnfb reader app. And then you hold the 
phone a foot above the page. And then you press the field of view report 
button first making sure you are pointing the camera on the bottom of the 
phone down towards the page. Then you hit field of view report button you 
double tap it on the phone’s touch screen. You hear your phone say 
outloud with its screen reader:


All four corners of the page are visible.

Then holding the phone as steady as you can, you double tap the take 
picture button. The phone snaps a photo of the page, does OCR on the 
text, and reads the text out loud to you. And you can scan whole entire 
books very very fast with just the 8mp camera on your smartphone.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 19:18
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?



-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans, button labels and serial numbers on
gadgets, etc. It also works pretty good when you have to read your
computer screen or any other kind of display.
There's also a free one from Microsoft called seeing AI. It's useful but
doesn't compare to KNFB when it comes right down to it.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 2:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Yes you can read pdfs with it. It works on iPhone and android and on
windows10 devices.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 13:12
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: What is a KNFB Reader?

I see it is on sale.

Can you read PDFs with it?





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Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
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Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

If you can't do jestures, don't waste your money on a new one.  I still have 
my Nokia n95, and the n82 that somebody gave me.  Neither one of them is 
active as a phone, but the readers in them still work.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 5:29 PM
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Butch Bussen ; Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

Thanks much.  Well, it is like anything, if you know how it is simple.
I've messed with my i pod a good bit and just can't get the hang of
jestures.  Give me buttons.  I may look for a newer ipod just for the
reader.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Touch screens are easy to use. And if your ipod is 3 or 4 years old its 
camera probably is not good enough for knfb reader. You need a new one. A 
new ipod touch 6th gen.



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From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 14:08
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

How would I know.  I think it is an ipod touch, five I think.  I've had
it 3 or 4 years I think.  I don't use it much at all, can't get use to
touch screens.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:


Yes if the ipod has 8mp camera with flash then it will work fine.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 09:56
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I don't have an i phone, will it work with an i pod?  Not sure what
version of firmware I have.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy via Talk
wrote:


Ok here is how you use knfb reader this is just an example.
Imagine you are a student in college. You have some paper handouts that 
you got from class that you cannot read, you also have  a print 
textbook. So how do you read it? First you unlock your android phone or 
your iPhone. Then you go into the knnfb reader app. And then you hold 
the phone a foot above the page. And then you press the field of view 
report button first making sure you are pointing the camera on the 
bottom of the phone down towards the page. Then you hit field of view 
report button you double tap it on the phone’s touch screen. You 
hear your phone say outloud with its screen reader:


All four corners of the page are visible.

Then holding the phone as steady as you can, you double tap the take 
picture button. The phone snaps a photo of the page, does OCR on the 
text, and reads the text out loud to you. And you can scan whole entire 
books very very fast with just the 8mp camera on your smartphone.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 19:18
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?



-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans, button labels and serial numbers on
gadgets, etc. It also works pretty good when you have to read your
computer screen or any other kind of display.
There's also a free one from Microsoft called seeing AI. It's useful but
doesn't compare to KNFB when it comes right down to it.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 2:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Yes you can read pdfs with it. It works on iPhone and android and on
windows10 devices.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 13:12
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: What is a KNFB Reader?

I see it is on sale.

Can you read PDFs with it?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

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Re: jaws 2018

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

How about trying control f4 to shut the edge window?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 5:21 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: jaws 2018

Hi, I installed Jaws 2018m and turned on Microsoft Edge, I was able to use 
it and even went to Netflix and started a movie with no real trouble. 
However when I try to close Edge using alt F4 the dialogue box to shut down 
my pc comes up and nothing I do with the key board will activate the OK 
button or the cancel button. I had to get my GF to use the mouse and click 
one or the other of the buttons. I tried it 3 times with the same result. 
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Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

It takes a picture and reads printed material.  I hate to ask, but where 
have you been all this time?  It has been out for ages, and has been talked 
about a lot!  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans, button labels and serial numbers on
gadgets, etc. It also works pretty good when you have to read your
computer screen or any other kind of display.
There's also a free one from Microsoft called seeing AI. It's useful but
doesn't compare to KNFB when it comes right down to it.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 2:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
Yes you can read pdfs with it. It works on iPhone and android and on 
windows10 devices.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 13:12
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: What is a KNFB Reader?

I see it is on sale.

Can you read PDFs with it?





Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
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Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

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Re: typing passwords with jaws

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I would never keep a password file on my computer.  I would write them down 
in braille.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 7:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: typing passwords with jaws

I have a friend that has a file with all of her passwords and other
log-in information.  She copies hers from that list in order to make
sure it is correct.

Carol

On 11/18/2017 1:31 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:

and why do home bodies need this?
there's no one here to see the passwords. so why can't i turn the stars 
off like window eyes can?

i only have 3 tries before i am locked out of my accounts.
and some of them will only  unlock my accounts by sending me a unlock code 
by mail. not by email. so i could be locked out for weeks.
i have to use window eyes for passwords. or type them in note pad and copy 
and paste them into the password fields.
we should have the choice to speak or not speak the keys you press in the 
password fields.

my requests to f/s just falls on deaf ears.
they have not responded to any of my jaws questions to date.


-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:35 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: typing passwords with jaws

It's done this way for security.  Think about it a sighted person couldn't
see it either it would appear as stars or dots.

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On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: typing passwords with jaws

WE does the same thing, and as much as I don't like not knowing what I am
typing, I like the security of knowing I am typing my password in the
correct field.

On 11/17/2017 5:56 PM, BK via Talk wrote:

Hello, jaws says star, star, star, when I type in a password. Does
anyone know how to change this so that jaws will say what is actually
being typed. I like to hear the actual characters, so I know I am
typing the password correctly. Thanks.

Butch


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Re: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

What is this flag true and false stuff?  This is the first time I have heard 
of such a thing.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 2:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: A little tech tip on Windows and screen readers.

For years Windows has had a screen reader flag that our screen readers
set to true when we load them and false when we close them. Most
programs don't pay any attention to this, but there are programs that
do. And Windows itself actually does a little work to feed our screen
readers some information that would otherwise be inaccessible when this
flag is true.

While writing a program I needed to look up the Windows
SystemParametersInfo function for something unrelated. It is a doorway
to numerous system parameters. In doing so I was reminded that it's also
where a pile of accessibility parameters are accessed as well, e.g.
screen reader, high contrast, keyboard access preference, no animations,
visual effects, etc. All of these have get and set functions.

A common scenario probably most of us have experienced is that our
screen reader goes silent. So we fire up another one to see what's going
on. For example, Window-Eyes will stop talking occasionally with IE
error messages. But for some reason, usually, as soon as I fire up NVDA,
or close the error message window with NVDA, Window-Eyes comes back to
life. The point is that I end up with two screen readers running
simultaneously.

I always assumed this would mess with the screen reader flag status. And
stumbling upon this offered me a golden opportunity to get away from my
real work. So I wrote a little program to check the screen reader and
keyboard preference flags. the latter is to indicate to developers that
you want keyboard access rather than a mouse driven interface. I doubt
anyone uses or pays any attention to this because if they did a purely
mouse driven graphical interface would be replaced by a keyboard driven
interface with standard controls. At least that would be the best case
scenario. Our screen readers don't set it to true anyway because the
screen reader flag is saying the same thing. It's another case of the
elements existing and not being used. Case in point, W3C web standards.
But I digress.

The driving force was that I've known about this for years and suspected
that loading another screen reader atop an existing one and then
unloading either would leave the screen reader flag false. My program
confirmed my suspicion. I may have mentioned this before because I was
told about this years ago. But I wanted a concrete answer. And I was
curious as to whether it had been improved. Although I have been
operating on my assumption ever since hearing about it initially.

I ran my program with Window-Eyes running and then after unloading it. I
then did the same with NVDA. I haven't installed JAWS on my new system
yet, but I assume it will do the same. When one is loaded the screen
reader flag is true and when it's not it's false. And if I load either
while the other is running and then unload one of them I still have a
screen reader running but the screen reader flag is false.

The reason I wanted to know this for sure is that I thought if common
sense had prevailed there would have been a simple screen reader
counter. That way the true count could stack up and screen reader would
not be false until the counter was zero, which is always false in
programming logic. Evidently common sense didn't prevail on this one.

So now you know. I recommend reloading your screen reader if you have to
load and then unload another to get out of a jam.

And here's the bonus prize! Narrator does not set the flag true. So you
don't have to worry about it if you load Narrator atop another screen
reader. Why this is is beyond comprehension. But Microsoft states it
clearly on their developers network and my program confirmed it. I
suppose they incorporated a seperate internal flag for Narrator. Who knows.

Regards,
Tom

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Re: window eyes instalation disk

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

What?  How did they send it to you?  It's not a disk already?  If it is, how 
come you would have to make another one?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes instalation disk

It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to
a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the
disk. Thanks.
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Re: window eyes version for win ten

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I said 9.4 by accident.  I meant 9.5.4.  At any rate, somebody said they 
were able to buy a disk of the last version of window eyes.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: loy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:34 AM
To: brice Mijares via Talk
Cc: loy
Subject: Re: window eyes version for win ten

VFO was giving a link to WE 9.5 owner for a download, not sure if they
still are, but contact them and see.


On 10/24/2017 8:58 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
, 9.0 is the only installation disk I have. It looks like I'm out of luck. 
It's NVDA and this Damn Jaws!

 Thanks.
On 10/23/2017 9:10 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

this won't work.
you need 9.2 full system installation. then a 9.5 upgrade will install as 
a full version.
i think you could install the 9.5 by itself but it would run as a 20 
minute demo.



-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 8:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes version for win ten

I need to uninstall window eyes. The only installation disk I have is
version 9.0, will this work? Then I can install the latest version, I
think it was 9.4? Thanks in advance.
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Re: window eyes version for win ten

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Somebody just the other day said they called VFO and was able to buy a disk 
of 9.4 for their computer.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:58 AM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: window eyes version for win ten

, 9.0 is the only installation disk I have. It looks like I'm out of
luck. It's NVDA and this Damn Jaws!
 Thanks.
On 10/23/2017 9:10 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

this won't work.
you need 9.2 full system installation. then a 9.5 upgrade will install as 
a full version.
i think you could install the 9.5 by itself but it would run as a 20 
minute demo.



-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 8:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: window eyes version for win ten

I need to uninstall window eyes. The only installation disk I have is
version 9.0, will this work? Then I can install the latest version, I
think it was 9.4? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Thunderbird

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

There isn't a way to set it up so that it opens in the inbox?  I know there 
is in all the other email programs I have used: outlook express, windows 
mail and windows live mail.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Carol and Roger via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Thunderbird

I usually hit shift tav once and I'm in the inbox. It all depend where
your at when you close TB.
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Re: window-eyes open source?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

But these charities and agencyes, etc. that you talk about refusing to pay 
for jaws would have to be knowledgeable enough to know that they have this 
alternative, and interested enough to learn about it, rather than just 
easily going with the status quo.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:09 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

You know, I too am tempted to believe, NVDA will take over some screen
reader users. For one thing, as NVDA becomes yet more powerful, and
widely known, it might happen that paying authorities or cherities, will
refuse to pay hundreds (or in translated version thousands) of dollars
for Jaws. And due to the dominance VFO currently has on the asistive
market, they can raise the price as they desire.

No. NVDA is far from good enough for a professional run, in a work
position where effeciency counts. It does come short when comes to
certain pieces of software, and it takes some modification and
scripting, to have it up running. Jaws is, like it or not, a
full-fledged screen reader, in many cases working somehow right out of
the box. Sure, I did say somehow. Not even WinEyes did always work right
out of the box; or why did we get the app feature of WinEyes, do you think?

But for the general home user, who wants to write and read emails, who
has already invested in a scanner and OCR software, and who needs to
perform general activities on the net (paying bills, checking the weekly
offer of their favorite store, and lookup something on Yahoo or
Google)... For those users, I am ready to say NVDA already will be close
to good enough. I don't really see too much that Jaws performs, or does
better, than NVDA on that front.


VFO bought AISquared, and in effect GWMicro. Since the agreement of the
merge is not publicly known, we do not know how that all came around, or
what was the thought behind. Who initiated and so forth.

Re: window-eyes open source?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

It didn't start out with the same business model as window eyes did.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 9:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

then how does NVDA work the way it does? and how is it so successful?



On 9/9/2017 9:37 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Your board of directors would not allow you to spend a pile of money to 
purchase your competitor and then allow you to put that competitor right 
back in business against you. And no business owner with a drop of sense 
would want to do it anyway. Businesses like Apple, google, and Microsoft 
buy a heap of smaller businesses every year. They don't do so to turn 
around and give them away. FS is no doubt picking through the Window-Eyes 
code looking for ways to improve JAWS or features to add.


On 9/9/2017 9:19 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn 
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer supported by 
my business I'd just tell people do what you want with it, we moved on. 
take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not care.




On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number one 
competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone else to 
continue its development?



On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

hi

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported to 
get the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it up on 
the github website? then other developers could keep developing window 
eyes.




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Re: window-eyes open source?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

You have never run a business.  Neither have I, but as has been said before, 
take this example: you, a business owner,  paid money for this
product.  Your main reason for doing that was that you wanted to put it out 
of business, to cut out the competition.  So what kind of sense does it make 
that you would spend the money on it, then give it away?  Pam.-Original 
Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 9:19 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer supported
by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with it, we moved
on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not care.



On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number one 
competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone else to 
continue its development?



On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

hi

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported to get 
the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it up on the 
github website? then other developers could keep developing window eyes.




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Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Neither do I.  It'snot like you are keeping them from providing you with a 
copy anymore.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 12:17 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It might not be legal, but if you bought WE and they won't provide a copy 
for you I don't see why you could not use  another copy.
 - iginal Message - 
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk

 Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Rod Hutton
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:57 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 Hi Loy,

 Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be 
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was no 
longer being developed.
 I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore, 
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.


 Thanks,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Loy via Talk

 Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Cc: Loy 
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some 
countries you had to have a dongle.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk

   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   Hi Loy,

   If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Loy via Talk

   Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
   Cc: Loy 
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone else 
then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or developed 
then using some one else's copy would not matter.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk

 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: aad leeflang
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 ok thanks
 i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer than 
9.0.

 i downloadee most versions.
 but how do i get a more acurate version though?
 or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
 i guess not.
 aad
 On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
 Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

 > Hi Aad,
 >
 > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at least 
version 9.2.

 >
 > Hth,
 >
 > Rod
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

 > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
 > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
 > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 > Cc: aad leeflang 
 > Subject: question about re installing wineyes
 >
 > hello all
 > i have moved to a new pc with windows 10.
 > i wanted to re-install window eyes but i get a message that it does
 > not work under windows 10.
 > i had the cd version 9.0.
 > is there a way to get an fresh installation cd for window eyes so 
that

 > i re install it?
 > there are still some issues with jaws that don't work well and could
 > work better with window eyes.
 > anyway i still don't understand why people think that jaws sould be
 > better tan window eyes anyway.
 > aad
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Re: App updates

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I understand what you mean, but then when the lawyers get involved, it puts 
a monkey wrench in the words.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: John Farley via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 12:27 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Cussons, M. 
(Mark)'

Cc: John Farley
Subject: RE: App updates

Hi Olusegun,

Thank you for confirming this.


From what I have read about VFO they will have a very tight agreement with

the ex GW-Micro key partners and employees. I understand that competing
products are not their favoured option and VFO lawyers will do all they can
to prevent any deviation from their wishes.

If Doug etc. will have the energy to start again and potentially hit legal
buffers from VFO can only be left to their decision.

As far as my use of software over many years is concerned the demise of
Window-Eyes was the most dissapointing   change that has occured.

This seems a strange concept for the USA as competition is usually the way
to improve productivity and reduce prices.



Regards, John

Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076




-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
[mailto:ukekearu...@valtdnet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 4:57 PM
To: john_far...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Cussons, M.
(Mark)'
Subject: RE: App updates

John, you are absolutely right!  Sometimes, once a company has been bought
and sold, the previous owner(s) may not even be allowed to ever start
another business in the same market.  It all depends on how the lawyers word
the signed agreement(s) and whether or not the signed document(s) is/are
acceptable to the seller(s).

It's possible that Doug may never again touch Window-Eyes, but, if he so
desires and has sufficient financial backing, he could CREATE A BRAND-NEW
accessible something and name it whatever he cares!

A case in point:  After Arkenstone, developer of Openbook died, its previous
owner created Bookshare!

Law is a donkey, and it does a poor job of riding itself to town!  Looks
good on paper, but a trillion loopholes for any person who cares to give it
a shake.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: App updates

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I use it most all the time.  The only time I switch to jaws is if I am 
reading emails that come from yahoo groups.  I am having that problem where 
they don't track propperly.  I got the window eyes people to reinstall it 
for me and it fixed the problem.  Every time they did it for me, it fixed 
the problem.  But when I installed it, or had my tech install it, the 
problem came back.  I had to have the computer reformatted, and when he did, 
and installed it for me, the problem is back.  When he installed it on my 
laptop I bought, it also has the problem.  Last time I called, I said I had 
a problem with window eyes.  They kept me waiting for about two hours, and 
the guy they gave me was a jaws guy.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Rogers via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Mike Rogers
Subject: Re: App updates

I'm interested, as I often switch back to W.E.



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On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:54:32 -0400
Charles Adkins via Talk  wrote:

I also would be interested as I am planning on using Window-eyes until I 
just can't anymore.


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> On Sep 5, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
>  wrote:

>
> Yes, I would be interested.
>
> -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 4:52 PM
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> Cc: Rod Hutton
> Subject: App updates
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I have updates for a couple of my apps, and even a new app or two, but 
> VFO is no longer accepting app submissions.
> Is anyone still interested enough in Window-Eyes to wish for someone to 
> set up an independent website for the purpose of app updates?
> I am trying to get a handle on who is still interested in receiving 
> support for Window-Eyes, and so please circulate this question to any 
> Window-Eyes users you know.

>
> Sincere thanks,
>
> Rod Hutton
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Re: not getting at my home e-mail

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I'm here, and I have been getting whatever mail comes through.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:20 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: not getting at my home e-mail

we're probibly the only ones left. i have been thinking about dropping it.
there's no one left to ask questions. grin

-Original Message- 
From: richard kurlander via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 10:16 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: richard kurlander
Subject: not getting at my home e-mail

is the talk list still active? For some reason I'mnot getting my
messages at my verizon e-mail r.kurlan...@verizon.net

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Re: contacting Doug.

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I think I didn't really have trouble with window eyes losing focus until a 
couple of years ago.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: michaels mail via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: michaels mail
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

Hi Debby i first started with WE version 4.5  SP1.
It came in the old large cardboard pacage with the  cassettes WE has been a
good screen reader.
I use to get cranky when WE would lose focus on IE but Jaws does the same
thing.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Debby Franson via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 1:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

Hi Michael!

I was trying to remember exactly when Window-Eyes was first released. I
know it was in 1995. Here is a page I enjoyed reading that answered that
question for me.

GW Micro - Window-Eyes - Version History

http://www.gwmicro.com/Window-Eyes/Version_History/

Debby

At 08:01 PM 8/17/2017, michaeel's mail via Talk wrote
Well i am still hear i been useing WE since 2004. And i took the offer to 
Jaws as well. Cheers michael. -Original Message- From: Reeva Webb 
via Talk Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:41 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion 
List Cc: Reeva Webb Subject: RE: contacting Doug. You can tell fs starting 
to get desperate. Fs 10 or 15 years ago wouldn't have given you discounts 
on anything. For most the out of the box accessibility, android, apple etc. 
will work for what they need to do. I'm curious though, is anyone from gw 
or pre merger ai2 still around.? Everyone i can think of seems to be gone. 
"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho 
Reeva On Aug 17, 2017 1:00 PM, "Joseph Norton via Talk" < 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Ah, I think I see where you’re going 
with this. > > Are you saying things may be getting to a point where the 
cost of > maintaining JAWS is greater than anyone wants to pay in terms of 
keeping > the company going? > > I know it’s not because of Narrator 
being a superior product on the > Windows side.  It is improving, but, not 
enough for many of us to get rid > of JAWS. > > > > Sent from Mail for 
Windows 10 > > From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk > 
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List'; 'Dennis Long' > Subject: RE: contacting Doug. > > Well, Michael, I 
once opined that the war Freedom Scientific could not win > in the courts, 
was well fought and won outside; with its cohorts and > coterie > of 
friends, it succeeded in drowning the boat! > > The merger with AI Square 
came to me as a surprise; I didn't want to see > it > happen, but what 
voice do I have? > > I long for the day when all these adaptive equipment > 
developers/manufacturers can TRADE THEIR STOCKS publicly; may be, just may
> be, they'll have better stability!  Now, we keep our eyes on the 
> sparrow, Jaws may be taking its last breath as the venture capitalists 
> will soon >

squash its fins!  Then it'll be Apple and Google to fill the void at least
> here in the United States! > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado 
>  >

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Re: contacting Doug.

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

People keep saying that they did.  I have been in the NFB since 1975, and I 
have never heard anything like this.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 7:41 PM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

My thoughts...

I thought the NFB was supposed to help blind people - surprised they
would sell out to a single screen reader, especially an inferior one.

aaron smithwas at VFO as Enterprise Compliance specialist.  I don't
think VFO gave us Jaws because they wanted to, they may have had to
legally for some reason.  wonder if aaron is still there or if he left
with Doug.  I think he lived in Ft. Wayne so I'm thinking he worked
remotely until he was no longer needed.

I suspect there are some folks that are still in contact with doug - if
so, please convey my, and probably all listers, appreciation to him.  It
would have been nice if Doug had said goodbye on this list, but I
suspect that would have stirred things up again.

I think Jaws has a better chance of survival because it has better
financial backing and a more diversified product line.  I really feel
Hims did GW in after using GW to enter the U.S. market then going off on
their own. I took a training class at GW when GW was working with Hims
to develop and market the booksense and the folks at GW were so
pleased/excited about this product.

All that being said, it never hurts to have multiple tools in the
toolbox so I will learn jaws eventually. I just can't think in Jaws very
well yet.

I think I covered everything I wanted in response to the emails in this
thread.
Brenda



On 8/17/2017 2:45 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Hear is why I say Jaws is going nowhere.  1 state agencies and government
contracts.  2 it's better than any other screen reader currently in
development.  3 NFB.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
ratshtron via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:50 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: ratshtron
Subject: RE: contacting Doug.

hmmm, if you can't beat the competition, kill it! I believe I'm going to
switch to apple, BIG GRIN!


Legend has it that on Wednesday 8/16/2017 08:02 PM, Olusegun --
Victory Associates LTD, said:

Well, Michael, I once opined that the war Freedom Scientific could not 
win

in the courts, was well fought and won outside; with its cohorts and

coterie

of friends, it succeeded in drowning the boat!

The merger with AI Square came to me as a surprise; I didn't want to see 
it

happen, but what voice do I have?

I long for the day when all these adaptive equipment
developers/manufacturers can TRADE THEIR STOCKS publicly; may be, just 
may

be, they'll have better stability!  Now, we keep our eyes on the sparrow,
Jaws may be taking its last breath as the venture capitalists will soon
squash its fins!  Then it'll be Apple and Google to fill the void at 
least

here in the United States!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: nfl game pass

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

They wouldn't let you take your radio with you?  A lot of people I know who 
go to baseball games, take their radios.  Talking about television versus 
radio: George always said he liked it on radio better.  There's a guy I know 
who is just recently blind.  He always puts the met games on on TV.  I ask 
him why, and he said he is used to it.  I told him the radio gives better 
announcing, because they have to: there is no picture to rely on.  But I 
guess old habits die hard.  He mentioned something about having to listen to 
it on the radio, and it made me wonder why he would refer to it in that way. 
He is still thinking he can see it on the television, even though he can't. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:41 PM
To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: nfl game pass

Kevin, you do have a point!  The trouble with Tv football commentary is that
the folks describing the game typically keep engaging sometimes in
irrelevant chatter and barely keep pace with the game.

Around my friends, I would listen to football on the radio using a headset
with built-in AM/FM radio; when I yell out "TOUCH DOWN," they get mad at me.
Why?  It hadn't been shown on Tv yet.  It takes them about another 20
seconds or so to see it.

My friends don't want me getting too excited at yelling out "touch down"
when my team gets one. They rely on Tv, radio conveys the info much faster
and they don't understand why that is.

I too find listening to the games on Tv extremely boring with very little
information about the game being passed to me in a way that makes real
sense.

Unless I can sit in the broadcast booth, I won't plan on going to the
Broncos stadium anymore!  I can't follow the game, the colleagues I am with
are busy watching it, and they won't describe any aspect of it to me.  I
like going to the soccer stadium because there's an announcer who does
describe the goings-on on the field in some shape or form, though never as
good as what will be done on radio.

But oh well, what do I know?  Just an insignificant specie playing tag along
in all the wrong places, 

Re: nfl game pass

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I'm totally used to it.  I wouldn't want somebody to talk to me any other 
way, because it's normal speech.  There have only been a couple of times 
when I have gotten my back up, because somehow, I thought the person who 
said it to me was actually really expecting me to see it.  I don't know how 
to explain it; it's something that you have to be there for the specific 
experience.  Other than that, saying stuff like that is just normal.  And 
who wants to be considered abnormal?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:04 AM
To: Alan Paganelli ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: nfl game pass

Hi Alan:

I just want to comment that I have been blind all my life, so I am
used to references such as "look at that".  I just don't pay attention
and I am not the least bit offended.  When they say "look at that. He
dropped the ball."  I know that he dropped the ball and that's all I
need to know.  But of course, that's only my point of view and I guess
I can understand why many people do not share that point of view.
Kevin Huber


On 8/10/17, Alan Paganelli via Talk  wrote:
The NFL season is about to start. The NFL wants you to shell out $99.99 
for

the 2017 season.  watching the games on television is worthless to me
because they say things such as look at that! He dropped the ball! Fumble!
where has if you listen to the radio, you get a full audio description. 
The

NFL just can't get that through their effing heads. I don't need coaches
Phil or any of that  crap.  I have been complaining for several seasons 
that

it is not fair that I have to pay 100 bucks the audio pass only cost 40
colors are year until the and FL got really. greedy. I'm just not going to
pay them $100 this year



Alan

Sent from my iPhone 5s


On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:39 AM, tony via Talk 
wrote:

I also had no success in listening to home team audio radio broadcast,

tried again last night with tex/car no sound,

have you had any success yet?



On 8/4/2017 14:43, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:
Does anyone know how  to access nfl game pass for 2017? I logged in last
night and could find the audio for the game between dallas and Arizona.
If anybody has  the number to nfl game pass digital care I need it.
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Re: New Window-Eyes List

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Can you please send me one?  If I would just have to reply to it, I could do 
it.  Thank you.  There is a problem with this computer that I have to get 
fixed.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 9:26 PM
To: 'Ivan Cribb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes List

Your welcome.  Is anyone else having issues if so just let me know I will
take care of it and send you an invite.


-Original Message-
From: Ivan Cribb [mailto:icr...@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:11 AM
To: 'Dennis Long'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes List

Thanks, Delnnis,

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+icribb=iinet.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2017 9:41 PM
To: 'gosselin_louis'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: New Window-Eyes List

I just sent you an invite just confirm it.  If anyone else is having issues
just let me know I will take care of you.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:25 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes List

I've been trying to join the new Window-Eyes list without success. I keep
getting a return message saying that my subscribe message was undeliverable
 Here it is below, and what do I do, or what should I have done?

Louis Gosselin

Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.

 Subject:
 Sent: 8/3/2017 6:47 AM

The following recipient(s) cannot be reached:

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Re: Taking the Plunge: Installing JFW18

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Wow!  I know what you mean.  That's about when I had last used it, too. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 7:35 PM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Taking the Plunge: Installing JFW18

Hi, I had not used Jaws since 2004. I sure thought they would have it a lot
more improved then they do. lol

-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 11:48 AM
To: Mike Pietruk ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Taking the Plunge: Installing JFW18

I installed Jaws and left Window-eyes starting up as normal. If Jaws started
talking I just shut down Window-eyes. When I installed Jaws I told Jaws not
to start up at boot up and still use Window-eyes whwhile I am learning Jaws.
Good luck. There are a million ways to do this thing. To say that I am
underwelmed with Jaws would be a big understatement.

Let me know if I can help or confuse you further. lol


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Mike Pietruk via Talk 
 wrote:


I am ready to do my first install of JFW18 on a test pc which now has the
latest and last version of WE.
I realize that both screen readers cannot be run simultaneously, but it's
ok to have both WE and JFW installed as long as only one is talking.
Am I correct on that?

Secondly, I believe that I need to readjust WE's start-up settings so that
the program never comes up talking.
Once I do this and make certain that the setting change has taken place, I
presume I can go, with WE talking to the run dialogue,
type in the path to the program (saved as c:\jfw64.exe", shut down WE
before hitting the return key, and the installation will begin with me
receiving some form of speech when it's ready for me to do something.

Is my interpretation correct, or is there something that I have missed in
what I need to do?

Thanks!

And, yes, I have read the opening installment of
Raul's tutorial but he doesn't mention any of what I have written but
presume is the proper way to proceed.


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Re: Taking the Plunge: Installing JFW18

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Unless you do like I do and let WE come up talking and set jaws not to. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Pietruk via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 12:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Taking the Plunge: Installing JFW18

I am ready to do my first install of JFW18 on a test pc which now has the
latest and last version of WE.
I realize that both screen readers cannot be run simultaneously, but it's
ok to have both WE and JFW installed as long as only one is talking.
Am I correct on that?

Secondly, I believe that I need to readjust WE's start-up settings so that
the program never comes up talking.
Once I do this and make certain that the setting change has taken place, I
presume I can go, with WE talking to the run dialogue,
type in the path to the program (saved as c:\jfw64.exe", shut down WE
before hitting the return key, and the installation will begin with me
receiving some form of speech when it's ready for me to do something.

Is my interpretation correct, or is there something that I have missed in
what I need to do?

Thanks!

And, yes, I have read the opening installment of
Raul's tutorial but he doesn't mention any of what I have written but
presume is the proper way to proceed.


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Re: Jaws start up

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

What happens when you set things up, and you can see that your choices are 
in there, but jaws doesn't cooperate with what you have told it to do?  I 
have no punctuation set, and it speaks it all, anyway.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: michael fridey via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:16 PM
To: David Crowell via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws start up

Hi David press insert letter v then arrow to help submenu then right arrow.

Then arrow up or down till you hear run setup wizzard.

That will let you set all the option you want.

Cheers Michael.


On 28/07/2017 9:24 AM, David Crowell via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Well believe it or not I downloadede jaws at 1:15pm today and had my
authorization shortly after 3pm.
So far things are going fairly well for me except for one issue.
For some reason when I installed I set start up at the log in screen.  But 
a
couple of times  when I shutdown my computer then came back and turned on 
my
computer Jaws did not start so I had to have a sighted person help me 
locate

the desktop icon so I could press enter to start jaws.

I am still trying to learn the menus of Jaws which is frustrating and I 
can
not find where the start up options are located so I can double check 
things

to make sure I have it set up properly and if not to set start up like I
want it.

Thanks for any help it is appreciated.  Dave
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Re: been a great ride

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Ever since I downloaded jaws, suddenly my window eyes sounds are not working 
when I am using window eyes; which is most of the time.  The rest of the 
windows sounds seem to work, but the sounds that window eyes uses are 
suddenly non-existent.  I tried to find out where they were, and can't.  Can 
anybody tell me how to get them back?  That and the messages that go with 
them?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:21 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: been a great ride

I have been a member of this list for many many years and have received
lots of help over those years.  Sadly I have moved away from Window Eyes
and am now using NVDA as well as the free transfer to Jaws.  Thanks to
Doug for getting us WE users that free Jaws as I would have never paid
for Jaws.  Having made the switch I know that WE has been the best
screen reader for me and it is a dam shame that Doug and crew couldn't
have done a better job of promoting their product so they could have
beaten Jaws.  Thanks to all that have put up with me.  I am now
unsubscribing from the list and hope to see many of you on the NVDA and
Jaws lists.
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Re: Good Bye

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I have some news.  After staying on hold for about two-and-a-half hours, I 
told the guy my problem, and he said "That's weird".  I asked him if he 
wanted to remote into my computer, and he said:  "I can only remote into 
your computer if you are using jaws.  We don't support window eyes anymore. 
I said that was interesting, because when the person answered the phone when 
I called and asked me what help I needed, I said I needed somebody who could 
help me with window eyes, so she gave me his line.  I was given to 
understand that they would help you with window eyes for a while.  But 
apparently, they have already stopped, according to the person I got.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:32 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Good Bye

While it might not hurt to take the JAWS offer, no one should be made to
feel foolish for not doing it, regardless of one's own opinion.  Whether to
switch to JAWS or not is Butch's prerogative.

Personally, I could not take advantage of the offer due to my version of WE
being out of date.  Voc Rehab came through for me, only because I'm in a job
search and told them WE was going away, and I needed JAWS in the job search,
so my counselor was able to justify the expense.  Now, I've just got to see
if they can get the registration in my name, as, right now, it's registered
to the Rehab agency, since that was what was on the P.O.

Now, I've got both on here, and can switch at will between Window-Eyes,
JAWS, NVDA or Narrator.

It's good to have choice, but, that is what choice is all about.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
; Dennis Long 
Subject: Re: Good Bye

And what if you find NVDA does not meet your needs in the long run?
After all, NVDA isn't made by God.  As I said, if you never use Jaws, you
can not come up with a rational justification for not taking advantage of a
free offer.

On 7/25/2017 12:01 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:

I already know how jaws works, that is why when the day finally comes,
I'll learn nvda.
I've only been doing this stuff since 1983, but I guess 'm just not
smart.  Let me see, jaws is the screen reader built by God, thou shalt
not put other screen readers before me.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:


You would be smart to take the Jaws offer and start learning it so
that when that day comes you have an idea how Jaws works.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Patricia Krinke; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Good Bye

Hi:

Let's face it.  The Window-eyes ship is sinking and VFO is offering
us a lifeboat, albeit for a limited time, so unless you want to go
down with the ship, or try to swim through the ocean, you'd better
grab a spot in one of the available lifeboats, (I.E. JAWS, NVDA, etc.
Not that i don't use Window-eyes myself, but I am using NVDA more and
more and when I get my JAWS license, I will probably use Window-eyes
less and less.  She was a good ship, but she's gone now.  Thanks to
that big iceberg, the VFO takeover.

Kevin Huber



On 7/25/17, Patricia Krinke via Talk  wrote:

I am with you!


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Good Bye

I find it strange everyone is jumping ship.  Sure there may come a
day when I have to go to something else like nv d a, but for now,
window-eyes is working just fine.  It is fascinating how quickly
people abandond something that is still working, because some day it
may

not.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Pastor Gil Pries  via Talk wrote:


The time  has come for me to leave the list.

I am a Jaws user, and not a Window-eyes user anymore.

May all go well with all of you.



Pastor Gil

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Re: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

If you call, do they still help you with window eyes?  I have that problem 
where messages from yahoogroups don't track correctly.  When they downloaded 
window eyes for me, the problem cleared up.  When I downloaded window eyes 
for myself, the problem came back.  So, I figure if I can get them to 
download window eyes for me, it might clear up the problem again.  I don't 
know what causes it, and nobody seems to.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:43 PM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD

You can email or call AISquared techsupport and they will give you a link 
for the download of the full version. I just downloaded a copy fore myself. 
I would do it before July 31 when the migration to JAWS offer ends. No one 
knows if they will issue a download after that.


Are sure Doug is no longer with AISquared?
 - Original Message - 
 From: Butch Bussen via Talk

 To: michaels mail ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:26 PM
 Subject: Re: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD


 Yes, but Doug isn't there any more.  Speculation on my part, but I'd bet
 the farm they won't issue a cd.  Everyone is supposed to bow to the jaws
 God and be greatful.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.


 On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, michaels mail via Talk wrote:

 > I do not think that way will work.
 > I emailed Doug months back and he sent me a link for the full latest 
window

 > eyes.
 > Cos remember this year we had  that cirtifcation issue.
 > Cheers Michael.
 >
 > -Original Message- From: Jeff Weiss via Talk
 > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:56 AM
 > To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Subject: Re: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD
 >
 > You know that you can still go through window-eyes help, check for 
updates,

 > and then download the latest version update.
 > I hope you have saved passed cd's and you can use the last cd--I think 
back

 > to window-eyes 8.0 and then install this latest update.
 > As far as buying a replacement cd if you have lost yours, I have know 
idea

 > if they will still sell you one for $20 like they used to or not.
 > I keep every cd and every update that I get, just so I can install on my
 > other computers without downloading again.
 > hth,
 > Jeff Weiss
 >
 >
 >
 > -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
 > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 2:04 AM
 > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 > Subject: how to obtain windoweyes downloadable CD
 >
 > Hi, how do I get my WindowEyes cd so I can download it and save it?
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Re: new window eyes group created

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Now that you have explained it, it makes sense.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:14 PM
To: 'Chris G' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: new window eyes group created

That was my thinking. Again I was only trying to help.  The format will be
the same as here general discussion questions etc.

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On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:08 PM
To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: new window eyes group created

Simple, VFO pays to host this list and it can be gone in a second if they
choose to do so.

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Re: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Just because window eyes isn't being developed doesn't mean that there are 
not lots and lots of people who will still be using it, and might need to 
ask questions.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: New Window-Eyes Group, How dumb!

Why create another Window-Eyes group when Window-Eyes is dead, as said by 
Doug.  Don’t folks have anything better to do with their time?


It would make far more sense to study up on NVAD, Narrator for Windows 10, 
or VoiceOver for the Mac and iPhone and give their developers useful 
feedback.


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Re: new window eyes group created

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Yes; or why add another window eyes group into the mix?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:48 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: new window eyes group created

Ok, forgive my complete ignorance on the subject...but the
group we're using right now seems to be working quite well.  Why switch?
I'm not against the idea, just not sure why someone would do such a
thing when we already have a group that's worked just fine for years?
Why switch now?




On 7/23/2017 12:45 PM, Patricia Krinke via Talk wrote:

Yes, I canj't get any verification either.  Thank you for any help,


Trish

-Original Message-
From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 11:11 AM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: new window eyes group created


 Hi Dennis,

I am having a huge problem signing up to the new group. I add my email
address and then press enter on verify email. I wait and wait and wait and
wait. For days and I don't get any verification email. I wonder if more
people are getting the same problem?

Is there any way you can help with this problem please?

Sincerely, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:26 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: new window eyes group created

Hi, I have created a group to discuss windoweyes you can also ask jaws
questions if you want.  the group info is below.

https://groups.io/g/WindowEyesUsers



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Do you think doing that would possibly take care of the problem I am having 
where it doesn't track certain emails correctly?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:43 PM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5 not reading with Thunderbird

So, just so we can get things back to the original reason why I wrote
the email in the first place, I'm really happy to say that re-installing
the default apps and set files did the trick, and now Thunderbird works
again on the Windows 7 machine it wasn't reading on before.  So, all is
well again.


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Re: Behind in times.

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I don't get this!  I have it set to none when reading screen punctuation, 
but it does it anyway.  It reads apostropnes, periods and all that!  How do 
I fix this?  I have gone in the settings several times, and I just can't get 
it to shut up.  I was able to make the keyboard echo shut up, but I can't 
seem to make all the settings work.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Matthew Dyer via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:52 PM
To: 'David Crowell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Behind in times.

Dave.

Here is the direct link to download jfw.
www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws.  From there you just select either
32 or 64 bit depending on what you have.  As far as rather or not you have
home or pro or not is based on your authorization not the installer.  Aklso,
if you have the tandem build you will have access to auto update as well as
the ability to give access to your machine to fs if need be.  HTH.

I have been a jaws user for years off and on.  I have had a lisonce since
3.7 and have watched jaws go through several changes.  If you wish you can
join the jaws users list at www.jaws-users.com.  I think eric dammery is on
that list so you should have no trouble getting help there if need be.

Matthew



-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of David Crowell via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 2:22 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Behind in times.

Hi everyone,

Well as always I have not yet migrated to JFW.  I always like to wait awhile
for people to get a new update or new screen reader before I will give it a
try.  I used to always do this with WE also because ther are numerous bugs
to be worked and so I wait until it is all in good working order.

Anyway, I am going to finally download JFW today.  I am absolutely terrified
since I had tried JFW before when I called them and they sent me a demo CD
to give it a try.  I absolutely hated it and totally forgot about JFW and
continued with WE.  d

Now I have saved a lot of the tips in a folder that has been shared on this
sight but one thing I did not save or accidently deleted is how to go about
the JFW download.

I have the link for the migration saved on IE so I am ready there.
What I am wondering is do I have to turn WE off to do the download or
can I leave it on to help me make the choices I need to make while
downloading JFW?  I also have heard of different types of downloads like
home, professional, tandem.  Which is the best to use.  I assume it will be
home since I only have a home computer and do email, things on the web and
use Microsoft word.  If I understand I should go tandem that way I can give
FO access to my computer if I run into problems.

Any help for the behind the times user would be greatly appreciated.  Please
also keep your fingers crossed I do not throw the computer out the window if
things go haywire.


Dave


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Re: Jaws training resources

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I don't see any such thing.  It says something like:  "You seem to be lost", 
and then it talks about searching for what you want, or calling a phone 
number to some place called Sweetman Systems.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:09 AM
To: 'Dwayne McNutt' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws training resources

A friend sent me this link yesterday and I've found it really helpful as not
only does it list the Jaws keystrokes but gives examples of how they are
used.



http://www.sweetmansystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Jaws-Word-and-Inte
rnet-Commands-with-Examples.htm





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Re: Two Jaws Questions

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Neither am I.  I just did it this morning, and it is weird!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:46 PM
To: 'Ted Larson' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Two Jaws Questions

At last I have migrated to Jaws. I have to confess I'm not enjoying the
experience so far but realise I need to learn how to tweak some settings.

My first problem is that I don't like the speech! I strongly disliked the
default Eloquence and am using Peter at the moment but wondered which voices
people are using and feel are clearest.

I think it is going to be a long time before I will be able to say I prefer
Jaws to Windoweyes.

I hadn't realised that insert c to reach the Outlook Calendar was a
Window-eyes key.

How do I access the Outlook calendar using Jaws please?



Alison

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Re: jaws list

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I took it, but I'm not sure how much I will use it.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:23 PM
To: 'Charles Adkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: jaws list

Window-Eyes rocked my boat, fed me, took me to outerspace and back, all with
smiles!  Now, she's gone leaving the wind behind!  I elect not to take the
so-called migration gift; may be I'll change my mind if it sends me to
Vladivostok!

But, no, it won't!  I am POLISHING my Android skills and I just can't wait
to KICK WINDOWS and its ASSOCIATED SCREEN READERS down the drain for good!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: jaws list

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's interesting; because back in the late 1980s, and 1990, when they 
first were going to give me stuff, they tried me out on everything they had 
to see which one would work the best for me.  The second time I was going to 
get equipment from the commission, I asked about the evaluation, and I was 
basically told, there is nothing to evaluate you on; you get what you get. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:05 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws list

There  was a time when I was thinking about being a Window-eyes distributor. 
I was amazed at how many rehab people, companies, and even people wouldn't 
even look at Window-eyes. Councelors thought the idea of maybe letting 
clients look at both products and making their own choice was a foriegn 
concept. Amazingly enough the fact that Window-eyes did cost less didn't 
even interest anyone. I could do stuff on the web with Window-eyes Jaws 
users told me was impossible.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk 
 wrote:


Yes JAWS is bloted and they're coming out with a new version, called 2018.
Honestly Window-Eyes should had been the one to get the contracts in the
agencies, not JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Robin via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: jaws list

what's the address for the jaws list.
what a bloted program jaws is.
Cheers Robin.
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Re: OT, Important new BARD information

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Of course it works.  It's supposed to work.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Paulette Vickery via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 8:22 PM
To: 'Paulette Vickery' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: OT, Important new BARD information

Hi all,

I just went to the old BARD website because the link given in the letter
said that the site was not found. The old BARD link worked just fine. Go
figure. I am going to call my state library tomorrow morning to see what is
going on.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 4:37 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: OT, Important new BARD information

Hi all,



I don't know why I didn't receive this information from my state NLS
library. It was sent to me from another list. However, I tried the new
website and it says that the site is not found. Plus, the old BARD website
still works. So, go figure. I think that somebody's right hand doesn't know
what the left hand is doing. But here is the letter anyway.



Paulette



From: NLS Documents for Network Librarians
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Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 12:11 PM



To:



nls-repo...@listserv.loc.gov



this coming Sunday, July 9th.  There will be no change to the URL for the
homepage.  Your bookmarks to the longstanding NLS URL for the homepage will
still function correctly and take you to the new site.  The longstanding URL
for BARD login will also remain exactly the same.  No changes have been made
to BARD or the NLS catalog.  The site has also undergone repeated
accessibility and screen reader testing here at NLS and out in the field.







Please be aware of the following issues and activities during the switchover
period of three days, from Sunday the 9th through Tuesday the 11th.







1.  The old website-the one we're all familiar with-will continue to exist
through October (at least) and our patrons can continue to use it while they
gradually become familiar with the new site.



Its URL, however, will change: the old site will no longer be at
www.loc.gov/nls, but rather at
www.loc.gov/nlsold.  There will be a prominent
link on the homepage of the new website-on the left-hand side, under the box
of "Quick Links"-so that patrons can jump back to the homepage of the old
website if they wish to.



If they are on the old site, there will be an equally prominent link so they
can jump to the new site.







2.  On the new website, the "Search" field at the right top edge will be
optimized only once the switch of URLs is made on Sunday and Monday.  For
that reason, it may be a couple days before it is fully functioning.
Patrons can use built-in navigation on the new site to find what they are
looking for during this brief period.  We appreciate your patience during
the time required for the "Search" to become fully optimized for searching
the new site.







3.  During the same three-day period, for the most visited areas of our
website, we will be embedding new internal URLs and redirected URLs so that
patrons can easily find what they are looking for.  Again, we appreciate
your patience as this process is completed.







4.  We will be grateful for your feedback about any issues you encounter, or
suggestions you can make.  Please send them to
d...@loc.gov and ms...@loc.gov.
We will log and prioritize those changes we cannot make immediately so that
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Re: Jaws Migration

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Mine took a week; but there was a long holiday weekend in there.  Actually, 
it might not have been a long holiday weekend, just a weekend, and then the 
holiday.  Because I did get an email on the third.  But I got the key 
yesterday.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:18 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

Hey Rod, for all this conversation, ironically got an email today  with 
download instructions and my authorization code in it. All told, I think the 
full process for me took 36 hours. I wonder why this was my experience and 
so many others are having to wait so long. Yes, I did get the professional 
version and had window eyes SMAs , so maybe that had something to do with 
it. I have not yet installed jars but at least I now know I have my copy.


Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive the dictation or typing errors.

On Jul 6, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi Robin,

You will not get any instructional email about where and how to download 
Jaws.
As Tony pointed out, you can download it yourself and then activate it 
when you get your authorization key.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk

Sent: July 6, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Alison May <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I just got the invoice email some of you have mentioned.  There is no 
indication in this about download instructions.  I'd imagine this is the 
second step in the process, giving me proof of my order and SMA. So, now I 
join that waiting game for the download instructions email.




-Original Message-
From: Alison May [mailto:chrisalis...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:49 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

That's the response I got to. But I hadn't taken into account July 4 or 
the conference. It is 10 days since I got that email. But I will keep my 
fingers crossed!


Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

On 6 Jul 2017, at 5:48 pm, Van Lant, Robin via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


One of my VFO emails when to junk, so check that too.  I completed the 
online form yesterday and got an initial confirmation within hours.  That 
email said my authorization Key would come in about 3 days.




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+robin.van.lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:26 AM
To: CJ  MAY; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws Migration

Since I've never done it before, I can't say.  But my question is this. 
On Friday, I did it, and I got responses.  One had a question in it, 
which I answered.  She wanted to know if I was using the home or 
professional version.  On Monday, I got what seems to be an invoice.  Is 
there another thing I am waiting for that has the key in it?  Or do I use 
the invoice number?  Pam.


-Original Message-
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:14 AM
To: 'Barbara' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I have now sent two requests regarding free migration to Jaws - one ten 
days ago and another on Monday. All I've received in return is an 
automated reply.


Is this typical?



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Re: Jaws Migration

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I think mine has all zeroes.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Van Lant, Robin via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 3:34 PM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I think it's just  a sales record.  The totals all say "$1.00".  I'm sure 
it's a necessary tracking step in their accounting records and gives me a 
receipt showing that I do in fact have a legitimate copy of JAWS and 2 
additional SMAs that transferred over from Window Eyes.  I'm glad to have it 
as a receipt.



From: CJ  MAY [mailto:chrisalis...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 1:18 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin
Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

Why have you got an invoice if it is a free migration?

Alison





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Re: Jaws Migration

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Since I've never done it before, I can't say.  But my question is this.  On 
Friday, I did it, and I got responses.  One had a question in it, which I 
answered.  She wanted to know if I was using the home or professional 
version.  On Monday, I got what seems to be an invoice.  Is there another 
thing I am waiting for that has the key in it?  Or do I use the invoice 
number?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:14 AM
To: 'Barbara' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Jaws Migration

I have now sent two requests regarding free migration to Jaws - one ten days
ago and another on Monday. All I've received in return is an automated
reply.

Is this typical?



Alison







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Re: DECtalk USB Question

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

How would that have to do with your outboard synthesizer not working?  As 
far as I know, they don't use your sound card.  Software speech uses the 
sound card.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 9:59 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: DECtalk USB Question

Hi, There has been and still is an issue with some sound card and Window
that allow the drivers to drop out. I was told by a Microsoft person a while
back that there are some know foucus issues in Windows. They are slowly
being corrected. You may go to the Manufacture website for you sound card
and make sure you have the most up-to-date sound drivers for your device.
HTH

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 8:12 AM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: DECtalk USB Question

I have the same problem you are having with your dectalk usb.  I'm using a
tripletalk usb and It stops speaking after a few seconds when using alt+down
arrow (the jaws say all command) on web pages or reading a html document.
Email Mike Cozzolino,m...@axsol.com at Access Solutions.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 5:17 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: DECtalk USB Question

Hi,

I just got my DECtalk USB synthesizer.

I've noticed 2 things going on with it.

First, when I use the say-all command on the weatherunderground web page, it
reads for a while then stops, and I have to restart Jaws.

The second thing is that Jaws isn't keeping my changes to my voice profile
for the DECtalk USB.

Has anybody encountered these problems and if so, what did you do to solve
them.

Thanks,



Pastor Gil

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Re: future use of WE

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That's what I'm doing.  I'm waiting for the authorization from Jaws.  But I 
am still mostly going to use window eyes.  But I will use jaws, too.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk

Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 2:03 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future use of WE

Hi all. One thing to keep in mind is that for those of you who choose to
hold out until the very last second that WE stops working, you will be
more frustrated when it's yanked out from under you and you are caught
unprepared. this could easily be a situation where you need to get
things done and now you are fighting with learning another screen reader
cold turkey. If you take the approach of starting to get comfortable
with Jaws or another screen reader, you can still use WE until it
doesn't work any more, then you will have a less stressful time switching.

I hope this makes sense.


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On 6/30/2017 3:13 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
The operative words are "just may stop:" hasn't happened yet.  Until it 
does or until window-eyes doesn't do what I wwant, I'll keep using it. I 
don't have windows ten and run xp and seven.  I wil go to n v d a if 
necessary.  I've actually got some dos boxes I built up and still run 
vocal-eyes, needed to program some radios.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Don H via Talk wrote:

I have been a WE user for over 20 years and always felt it was the best 
screen reader.  Now with no more development I have to realize that the 
next major release of Win 10 just may stop WE dead in its tracks.  As I 
recall in the past every new release of Windows required an update to WE 
to make WE work with it.  So now if you plan on using WE well into the 
future you are probably going to have to avoid any future major Windows 
upgrades.  Is that a bad thing who knows.
I am finding that NVDA does a pretty good job with very few things it 
doesn't do as well as WE.  I did take up VFO's offer of a free copy of 
Jaws and am using it as my secondary screen reader.  If you plan on 
staying with a Windows based computer I don't understand why you would 
not take the free copy of Jaws.  Actually the Jaws SMA's are less 
expensive than the WE SMA's I had purchased in the past.



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