Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello David,

Does Chrome work with WE or only Jaws?




Thanks for your tutorial.

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From: David Moore via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom!
I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at
downloading files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I can send
you a tutorial on using the Chrome browser!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom:

I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.


On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
curious as to whether I should even bother.

Thanks,
Tom

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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi David:

Thanks for the well-written tutorial.  I have just saved it into my
Documents folder to use as a reference when I can't figure out how to
do something that I want to do.

Kevin Huber

On 10/10/17, David Moore via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Hi Tom!
> I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at
> downloading files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I can send
> you a tutorial on using the Chrome browser!
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Kevin Huber
> Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
>
> Hi Tom:
>
> I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
> Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.
>
>
> On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
>> curious as to whether I should even bother.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

By chance, would you happen to have a Tutorial for using Microsoft Edge 
Browser with jaws?


-Original Message- 
From: David Moore via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:31 PM
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Cc: David Moore
Subject: RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom!
I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at 
downloading files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I can send 
you a tutorial on using the Chrome browser!

David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kevin Huber
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom:

I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.


On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
curious as to whether I should even bother.

Thanks,
Tom

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RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Thank you very much, David.

Best,

Rod

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Subject: RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dave!
Here is my tutorial on using Chrome pasted right into this email.
You can read it right in the message, or copy and paste it into a document.
Here is the tutorial!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18 and NVDA 2017.2for this tutorial, because they both 
work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.

Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type 
Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut 
icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open 
Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google 
Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the 
window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get 
undesirable results.

Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, 
and so on all work just the same in Chrome.

Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press the Alt key.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down 
arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I 
do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you 
have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, 
to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a 
page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in 
Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your 
computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and 
Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding 
folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I 
mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, 
I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key 
commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You 
only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, 
and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered 
by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is 
how you do this in Chrome, inst

RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Please if you send me the chrome tutorial I appreciate it very much.
Thanks and have a nice day.





Michael Micallef
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:31
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Cc: David Moore
Subject: RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom!
I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at downloading 
files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I can send you a tutorial on 
using the Chrome browser!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kevin Huber
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom:

I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.


On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So 
> I'm curious as to whether I should even bother.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[David Moore via Talk]

Hi Dave!
You are welcome!
Let me know if you have any questions at all about the tutorial or anything 
else.
DavidMoore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:20 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Dave Basden
Subject: RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Daivd,

Thanks for the tutorial.  I didn't catch your later message with the 
tutorial included until after I wrote my begging request.  I'm 
looking forward to using the tutorial.

Dave


At 05:57 PM 10/10/2017, you wrote:
>Hi Dave!
>Here is my tutorial on using Chrome pasted right into this email.
>You can read it right in the message, or copy and paste it into a document.
>Here is the tutorial!
>Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
>By David Moore
>This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
>I will also use JAWS 18 and NVDA 2017.2for this tutorial, because 
>they both work the same in Chrome.
>Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
>I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
>There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
>
>Section One:
>Launching Chrome:
>One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape 
>and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you 
>hear JAWS say Chrome.
>However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a 
>shortcut icon on your desktop.
>So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press 
>enter to open Chrome.
>The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find 
>the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
>The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to 
>maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not 
>maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
>
>Section Two:
>Bringing up a web site.
>Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
>and type the following:
>www.freedomscientific.com
>The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
>All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for 
>combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
>
>Section Three:
>The Virticle Chrome menu:
>I will press the Alt key.
>The Chrome menu is open.
>This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up 
>and down arrow through.
>I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
>New Tab, CTRL+T.
>You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
>New Window, CTRL+N
>You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
>New incognito Window.
>History sub menu.
>I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
>History, CTRL+H
>So, there is a key command for reading your history.
>You can read a few sites you were on right here.
>I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
>Downloads, CTRL+J
>There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded 
>with Chrome.
>Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
>I will press right arrow, to open this.
>I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
>That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
>Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
>That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for 
>all to see. I do not want that.
>Here is the important one.
>manage bookmarks
>The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
>In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the 
>bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very 
>importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all 
>of your bookmarks in Chrome.
>On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it 
>downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all 
>bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to 
>download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
>That is all for manage bookmarks.
>Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
>press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings 
>from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in 
>their corresponding folders.
>Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
>Very important!
>Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the 
>choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved 
>bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it 
>gets me to these choices.
>Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, 
>have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub 
>menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow 
>through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
>To save a web site as a bookmark,
>Ju

RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Dave Basden via Talk]

 default 
browser or not.

Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as 
you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with 
a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to 
open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to 
show when Chrome starts up.

Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before 
more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to 
show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next 
heading of settings.

There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have 
Chrome save passwords.

Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved 
on your computer.

Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You 
cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the 
menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under 
the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the 
help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.

To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve 
streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.

For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. 
For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and 
the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.

This is the end of the tutorial.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Dave Basden
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

I would like a copy of that tutorial as well.

d...@basden.us

At 03:07 PM 10/10/2017, you wrote:
>Hi David,
>Sure. Please send me that tutorial.
>tom.kings...@charter.net
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>
>On 10/10/2017 5:31 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:
>>Hi Tom!
>>I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at
>>downloading files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I
>>can send you a tutorial on using the Chrome browser!
>>David Moore
>>Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>From: Kevin Huber via Talk
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>Cc: Kevin Huber
>>Subject: 

RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[David Moore via Talk]

You are welcome!
Let me know if you have any questions at all.
David Moore
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From: brice Mijares via Talk
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Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Thank you David.
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

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Thank you David.
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RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[David Moore via Talk]

 CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see 
these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where 
we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings 
choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center 
to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and 
Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, 
you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with 
NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:28 PM
To: David Moore via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

David, would you please send me the Chrome tutorial? Thank You.
bricemija...@att.net
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RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

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, but I chose to open with a specific 
page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when 
you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when 
Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more 
headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more 
headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of 
settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome 
save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your 
computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see 
these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where 
we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings 
choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center 
to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and 
Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, 
you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with 
NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Dave Basden
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

I would like a copy of that tutorial as well.

d...@basden.us

At 03:07 PM 10/10/2017, you wrote:
>Hi David,
>Sure. Please send me that tutorial.
>tom.kings...@charter.net
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>
>On 10/10/2017 5:31 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:
>>Hi Tom!
>>I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at 
>>downloading files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I 
>>can send you a tutorial on using the Chrome browser!
>>David Moore
>>Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>From: Kevin Huber via Talk
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
>>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>Cc: Kevin Huber
>>Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
>>Hi Tom:
>>I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
>>Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.
>>
>>On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com

Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[brice Mijares via Talk]

David, would you please send me the Chrome tutorial? Thank You.
bricemija...@att.net
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Dave Basden via Talk]

I would like a copy of that tutorial as well.

d...@basden.us

At 03:07 PM 10/10/2017, you wrote:

Hi David,
Sure. Please send me that tutorial.
tom.kings...@charter.net
Thanks,
Tom


On 10/10/2017 5:31 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom!
I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at 
downloading files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I 
can send you a tutorial on using the Chrome browser!

David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kevin Huber
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
Hi Tom:
I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.

On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
curious as to whether I should even bother.

Thanks,
Tom

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RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[David Moore via Talk]

 weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start 
Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific 
page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when 
you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when 
Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more 
headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more 
headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of 
settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome 
save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your 
computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see 
these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where 
we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings 
choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center 
to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and 
Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, 
you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with 
NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:07 PM
To: David Moore via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi David,
Sure. Please send me that tutorial.
tom.kings...@charter.net
Thanks,
Tom


On 10/10/2017 5:31 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:
> Hi Tom!
> I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at downloading 
> files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I can send you a tutorial 
> on using the Chrome browser!
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Kevin Huber
> Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
> 
> Hi Tom:
> 
> I find that I am using it more and more often these

Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Hi David,
Sure. Please send me that tutorial.
tom.kings...@charter.net
Thanks,
Tom


On 10/10/2017 5:31 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom!
I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at downloading 
files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I can send you a tutorial on 
using the Chrome browser!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kevin Huber
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom:

I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.


On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
curious as to whether I should even bother.

Thanks,
Tom

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RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[David Moore via Talk]

Hi Tom!
I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at downloading 
files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I can send you a tutorial on 
using the Chrome browser!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kevin Huber
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom:

I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.


On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
> curious as to whether I should even bother.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Tom:

I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.


On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:
> Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
> curious as to whether I should even bother.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Thanks, David. Good to know. Yes, I too use the Alt-D - F6 trick to 
realign the browsing stars. I'll keep this all in mind.

Regards,
Tom


On 10/3/2017 10:26 PM, David via Talk wrote:

Only have tried Chrome as an alternative, in a few cases, for my
browsing. Might be OK, though I am not fully confident with its behavior.

Recently, I have tested it for playing the online version of our local
radio over here. It plays OK in Internet Explorer. But when the same
website is loaded in Chrome, I experience a couple of issues.

First of all, the arrow keys - which are used for raising and lowering
the volume of the playback, are EXTREMELY slow in response. You press
the arrow-key, and it takes something like 5seconds or more, before the
volume actually is adjusted. In Internet Explorer, the volume adjustment
is applied imediately.

Alt-tabbing away from the Chrome window, and then back into it, focus is
more often than desireable lost. I still have to figure how to get back
to focus. When such loss of focus occurs in other browsers, I have
learned to hit Alt-D, to get to the address bar, and then F6, to get
back to the contents window. Just about always works. But in Chrome,
Alt-d takes me to the address bar, yet F6 does seem to have no effect. I
tried to hit the tab-key, hoping it would take me anywhere, but it did
seem to have no effect, though I gave it several seconds.

As the radio station plays, the current song is being displayed and
updated, a given spot on the page. In both Internet Explorer and
Firefox, this section of the page is continiously being updated, and
WinEyes works just fine in reading it. With Chrome, the lines are stuck,
where they are when the page is initially loaded. 15 minutes later, it
still shows the song that played back when the page was opened, and no
updates takes place.

Attempting to close the Chrome window, when the radio plays, often
results in nothing happening. Have to open Task Manager, and manually
kill Chrome to stop the playback.

It might be my computer, and it could be the technology used from the
radio station. But it works in the two other browsers, on this very
computer, so have a feeling there must be something about Chrome. Could
be some setup issues, yet I do not know where to look for a fix.

If this behavior is general for Chrome, I would have kept my hands off.
For the little browsing activity I have tested Chrome with, it seems OK
enough. But for the radio playing, it is close to useless.

In a few cases, when I have had trouble with certain info not showing up
on given websites, under either IExplorer or Firefox, I have given
Chrome a go.  Hope was that it would show things the other browsers were
unable to process. A known issue, where some pages work better under one
browser than the other. Still, till date, I have never seen any of these
pages behave better under Chrome. Allright, my experience, with my set
of browsing. I do notice others reporting it to work fine, so won't be
able to tell why I am seeing these issues. Just wanted to let you know
my findings, that you at least might be prepared.



On 10/3/2017 3:02 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
  > Tom,
  >
  > Let me add my voice to John's.  I've also used Chrome some and found
it to
  > work all right.  I have not gotten comfortable with using the
equivalent of
  > "Favorites," but suspect that is my lack of experience.  I had one
case on a
  > slow computer where a website was not useable due to very, very slow
  > response with Internet Explorer, and when I switched to Chrome that same
  > website worked fine.  I think it is definitely worth a look if you
have not
  > done so yet.  The interface is very different, though, so don't let
that put
  > you off.
  >
  > Best regards,
  >
  > Steve Jacobson
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk
  > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  > Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:47 AM
  > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  > Cc: john schwery <jschw...@centurylink.net>
  > Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
  >
  > Tom, Chrome works ok.
  >
  > At 11:50 PM 10/2/2017, you wrote:
  >> Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So
  >> I'm curious as to whether I should even bother.
  >>
  >> Thanks,
  >> Tom
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[David via Talk]

Only have tried Chrome as an alternative, in a few cases, for my 
browsing. Might be OK, though I am not fully confident with its behavior.

Recently, I have tested it for playing the online version of our local 
radio over here. It plays OK in Internet Explorer. But when the same 
website is loaded in Chrome, I experience a couple of issues.

First of all, the arrow keys - which are used for raising and lowering 
the volume of the playback, are EXTREMELY slow in response. You press 
the arrow-key, and it takes something like 5seconds or more, before the 
volume actually is adjusted. In Internet Explorer, the volume adjustment 
is applied imediately.

Alt-tabbing away from the Chrome window, and then back into it, focus is 
more often than desireable lost. I still have to figure how to get back 
to focus. When such loss of focus occurs in other browsers, I have 
learned to hit Alt-D, to get to the address bar, and then F6, to get 
back to the contents window. Just about always works. But in Chrome, 
Alt-d takes me to the address bar, yet F6 does seem to have no effect. I 
tried to hit the tab-key, hoping it would take me anywhere, but it did 
seem to have no effect, though I gave it several seconds.

As the radio station plays, the current song is being displayed and 
updated, a given spot on the page. In both Internet Explorer and 
Firefox, this section of the page is continiously being updated, and 
WinEyes works just fine in reading it. With Chrome, the lines are stuck, 
where they are when the page is initially loaded. 15 minutes later, it 
still shows the song that played back when the page was opened, and no 
updates takes place.

Attempting to close the Chrome window, when the radio plays, often 
results in nothing happening. Have to open Task Manager, and manually 
kill Chrome to stop the playback.

It might be my computer, and it could be the technology used from the 
radio station. But it works in the two other browsers, on this very 
computer, so have a feeling there must be something about Chrome. Could 
be some setup issues, yet I do not know where to look for a fix.

If this behavior is general for Chrome, I would have kept my hands off. 
For the little browsing activity I have tested Chrome with, it seems OK 
enough. But for the radio playing, it is close to useless.

In a few cases, when I have had trouble with certain info not showing up 
on given websites, under either IExplorer or Firefox, I have given 
Chrome a go.  Hope was that it would show things the other browsers were 
unable to process. A known issue, where some pages work better under one 
browser than the other. Still, till date, I have never seen any of these 
pages behave better under Chrome. Allright, my experience, with my set 
of browsing. I do notice others reporting it to work fine, so won't be 
able to tell why I am seeing these issues. Just wanted to let you know 
my findings, that you at least might be prepared.



On 10/3/2017 3:02 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
 > Tom,
 >
 > Let me add my voice to John's.  I've also used Chrome some and found 
it to
 > work all right.  I have not gotten comfortable with using the 
equivalent of
 > "Favorites," but suspect that is my lack of experience.  I had one 
case on a
 > slow computer where a website was not useable due to very, very slow
 > response with Internet Explorer, and when I switched to Chrome that same
 > website worked fine.  I think it is definitely worth a look if you 
have not
 > done so yet.  The interface is very different, though, so don't let 
that put
 > you off.
 >
 > Best regards,
 >
 > Steve Jacobson
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 > Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:47 AM
 > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 > Cc: john schwery <jschw...@centurylink.net>
 > Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
 >
 > Tom, Chrome works ok.
 >
 > At 11:50 PM 10/2/2017, you wrote:
 >> Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So
 >> I'm curious as to whether I should even bother.
 >>
 >> Thanks,
 >> Tom
 >>
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 >

Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Thanks all for the feedback on Chrome. 'll take it for a spin.

Regards,
Tom


On 10/3/2017 9:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Tom,

Let me add my voice to John's.  I've also used Chrome some and found it to
work all right.  I have not gotten comfortable with using the equivalent of
"Favorites," but suspect that is my lack of experience.  I had one case on a
slow computer where a website was not useable due to very, very slow
response with Internet Explorer, and when I switched to Chrome that same
website worked fine.  I think it is definitely worth a look if you have not
done so yet.  The interface is very different, though, so don't let that put
you off.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: john schwery <jschw...@centurylink.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Tom, Chrome works ok.

At 11:50 PM 10/2/2017, you wrote:

Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So
I'm curious as to whether I should even bother.

Thanks,
Tom

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RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Tom,

Let me add my voice to John's.  I've also used Chrome some and found it to
work all right.  I have not gotten comfortable with using the equivalent of
"Favorites," but suspect that is my lack of experience.  I had one case on a
slow computer where a website was not useable due to very, very slow
response with Internet Explorer, and when I switched to Chrome that same
website worked fine.  I think it is definitely worth a look if you have not
done so yet.  The interface is very different, though, so don't let that put
you off.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of john schwery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: john schwery <jschw...@centurylink.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Tom, Chrome works ok.

At 11:50 PM 10/2/2017, you wrote:
>Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So 
>I'm curious as to whether I should even bother.
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

I've been using Chrome, since switched to Jaws.  It works just fine, but I 
sometimes use Duck Duck go as an alternative for looking things up.  No 
problems with Chrome.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 23:50:51 -0400
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> Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm 
> curious as to whether I should even bother.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[john schwery via Talk]

Tom, Chrome works ok.

At 11:50 PM 10/2/2017, you wrote:
Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So 
I'm curious as to whether I should even bother.


Thanks,
Tom

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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm 
curious as to whether I should even bother.


Thanks,
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[peter Chin via Talk]

Hello Listers,

Where can I find the check box to stop Fire Fox updating? I looked 
everywhere but couldn't find it.


Thanks in advance.

-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 7:38 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

With Window-Eyes you can use Firefox up through version 55.03, but not 56.0.
NVDA and JAWS should work fine with these newer Firefox versions.
I don't know whether it would be productive to put a bug report into the
Firefox bug reporting system about Window-Eyes support or not.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:15 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

You can tell it not to update. I think if the new versions of Firefox isn't
working with Window-Eyes, it is a clear sign that Window-eyes is failing
with the new updates. I use JAWS and NVDA and both work fine with the new
updates because both of these products are being updated.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 7:41 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Butch Bussen; mattc...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

This is not good.  I  still use window-eyes and fire fox.  Wonder if I can
tell it not to update?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 30 Sep 2017, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
wrote:


  Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their release
notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, which comes

out

some time in November.
I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of other
computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my Windows 7
laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; Window-Eyes
didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for Firefox. Then,
reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it began to

associate

with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can still read the items

in

the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the

full

contents of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be an
early warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving

up

yet, but passing along my findings.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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-Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Crossing over to the dark side was Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Sometimes Linkedin has outdated information.  It's the responsibility of 
the account holder (if he/she chooses) to update his/her resume.

On 10/2/2017 10:31 PM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
> So far I have not hadFirefox update automatically. It occasionally asks 
> me to update and I say remind me later.
> 
> Just in case, I hate to admit it but, I'm using jaws.  Once I get more 
> comfortable with jaws I'll update to FF56.
> 
> It is breaking my heart not to use Window-eyes. today I've mostely used 
> jaws.  I did switch to W-e to see if I was missing something on a 
> website, but things were the same with W-e and jaws which means I must 
> be doing ok with jaws. I miss the sound of the tip of the day upon 
> start-up and the piano scale when exiting window-eyes.
> 
> Just for fun I did a search for Doug Geoffray and found an entry on 
> Linkedin. I could only access basic info (and once a day at that) 
> because I'm not a member.  It says he is still at VFO in compliance and 
> is working to make jaws compliant with other programs or something like 
> that.  I think someone said he announced on another list that he was 
> leaving vfo, but maybe he was just leaving an area of contact with 
> customers.  Maybe that is why jaws seems to work better lately.  It 
> would be nice to know doug was somewhere helping to make jaws as good as 
> Window-Eyes.
> 
> I think this FF issue will force alot of us to learn jaws - I need FF so 
> I'm sadly forced into it.
> 
> Brenda
> On 10/2/2017 12:33 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use 
>> internet
>> explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine 
>> for a
>> few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on 
>> win10?  NO.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Tony C
>> Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
>>
>> Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more 
>> and
>> more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dennis Long via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
>> To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: Dennis Long
>> Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
>>
>> Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen 
>> more
>> and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Matthew Chao
>> Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
>>
>> Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, 
>> and when
>> I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I 
>> could
>> go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
>> happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Crossing over to the dark side was Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Brenda via Talk]

So far I have not hadFirefox update automatically. It occasionally asks 
me to update and I say remind me later.


Just in case, I hate to admit it but, I'm using jaws.  Once I get more 
comfortable with jaws I'll update to FF56.


It is breaking my heart not to use Window-eyes. today I've mostely used 
jaws.  I did switch to W-e to see if I was missing something on a 
website, but things were the same with W-e and jaws which means I must 
be doing ok with jaws. I miss the sound of the tip of the day upon 
start-up and the piano scale when exiting window-eyes.


Just for fun I did a search for Doug Geoffray and found an entry on 
Linkedin. I could only access basic info (and once a day at that) 
because I'm not a member.  It says he is still at VFO in compliance and 
is working to make jaws compliant with other programs or something like 
that.  I think someone said he announced on another list that he was 
leaving vfo, but maybe he was just leaving an area of contact with 
customers.  Maybe that is why jaws seems to work better lately.  It 
would be nice to know doug was somewhere helping to make jaws as good as 
Window-Eyes.


I think this FF issue will force alot of us to learn jaws - I need FF so 
I'm sadly forced into it.


Brenda
On 10/2/2017 12:33 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use internet
explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine for a
few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on win10?  NO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi Denniws,

I copied that link from google. This time it is correct. I got this link 
that does work. I made sure it did.lol


https://nordvpn.com/

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:54 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

I get this message.
Page Not Found
Is the link not right?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:23 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Denniws,

Here is the link to their web site. They have reduced it even further. You
can subscribe a month at a time or yearly. Annualy is of course much
cheaper. I am running windows 7 and it works great.

http://www.nordvpn.com/nord/vpn




-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 9:12 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Can you please send a link to there website?  Is there windows app
accessible.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

It is called Nord vpn. When I first installed it. The accessibility was
almost non existant but it is around 95 per cent accessible now. I contacted
them and they have done everything to help with accessibility. It costs $45
or thereabouts per year. I know there are free ones out there but I like
this one.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 8:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

What vpn service are you using?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 12:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

I agree but intend to keep using firefox till it bites the dust. Although I
use a vpn and I got an email it can now work with cdhrome. I might give that
a try.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use internet
explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine for a
few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on win10?  NO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I get this message.
Page Not Found
Is the link not right?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:23 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Denniws,

Here is the link to their web site. They have reduced it even further. You
can subscribe a month at a time or yearly. Annualy is of course much
cheaper. I am running windows 7 and it works great.

http://www.nordvpn.com/nord/vpn




-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 9:12 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Can you please send a link to there website?  Is there windows app
accessible.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

It is called Nord vpn. When I first installed it. The accessibility was
almost non existant but it is around 95 per cent accessible now. I contacted
them and they have done everything to help with accessibility. It costs $45
or thereabouts per year. I know there are free ones out there but I like
this one.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 8:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

What vpn service are you using?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 12:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

I agree but intend to keep using firefox till it bites the dust. Although I
use a vpn and I got an email it can now work with cdhrome. I might give that
a try.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use internet
explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine for a
few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on win10?  NO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi Denniws,

Here is the link to their web site. They have reduced it even further. You 
can subscribe a month at a time or yearly. Annualy is of course much 
cheaper. I am running windows 7 and it works great.


http://www.nordvpn.com/nord/vpn




-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 9:12 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Can you please send a link to there website?  Is there windows app
accessible.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

It is called Nord vpn. When I first installed it. The accessibility was
almost non existant but it is around 95 per cent accessible now. I contacted
them and they have done everything to help with accessibility. It costs $45
or thereabouts per year. I know there are free ones out there but I like
this one.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 8:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

What vpn service are you using?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 12:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

I agree but intend to keep using firefox till it bites the dust. Although I
use a vpn and I got an email it can now work with cdhrome. I might give that
a try.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use internet
explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine for a
few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on win10?  NO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Can you please send a link to there website?  Is there windows app
accessible.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:46 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

It is called Nord vpn. When I first installed it. The accessibility was
almost non existant but it is around 95 per cent accessible now. I contacted
them and they have done everything to help with accessibility. It costs $45
or thereabouts per year. I know there are free ones out there but I like
this one.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 8:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

What vpn service are you using?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 12:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

I agree but intend to keep using firefox till it bites the dust. Although I
use a vpn and I got an email it can now work with cdhrome. I might give that
a try.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use internet
explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine for a
few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on win10?  NO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi Dennis,

It is called Nord vpn. When I first installed it. The accessibility was 
almost non existant but it is around 95 per cent accessible now. I contacted 
them and they have done everything to help with accessibility. It costs $45 
or thereabouts per year. I know there are free ones out there but I like 
this one.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 8:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

What vpn service are you using?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 12:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: bj colt
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

I agree but intend to keep using firefox till it bites the dust. Although I
use a vpn and I got an email it can now work with cdhrome. I might give that
a try.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use internet
explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine for a
few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on win10?  NO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Dennis Long via Talk]

What vpn service are you using?

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 12:43 PM
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Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Dennis,

I agree but intend to keep using firefox till it bites the dust. Although I
use a vpn and I got an email it can now work with cdhrome. I might give that
a try.

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use internet
explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine for a
few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on win10?  NO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
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Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi Dennis,

I agree but intend to keep using firefox till it bites the dust. Although I 
use a vpn and I got an email it can now work with cdhrome. I might give that 
a try.


Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 5:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use internet
explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine for a
few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on win10?  NO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
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Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
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RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Dennis Long via Talk]

If your using windows7 and are willing to jump through hoops IE use internet
explorer reinstall fire fox everytime it updates etc you will be fine for a
few years.  Do I think in 3 years you will be able to use WE on win10?  NO.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
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Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

NVDA is working very good with the latest firefox.



On 9/30/2017 10:23 PM, Ian Westerland via Talk wrote:




Lloyd, I don't use Firefox very much but am wondering if NVDA is 
handling the newer versions better.
Window-Eyes seems to be working ok with Internet Explorer so I can 
keep going with it for a while yet.


Cheers.


Ian Westerland




ian Westerland



On 10/1/2017 1:16 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
    Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their 
release notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, 
which comes out some time in November.
I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of 
other computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my 
Windows 7 laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being 
loaded; Window-Eyes didn't seem to recognize the correct file 
association for Firefox. Then, reading in the Control Panel and back 
out to Firefox, it began to associate with Firefox.set. But this 
didn't seem to help. I can still read the items in the tab order if 
MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the full contents 
of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be an early 
warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving 
up yet, but passing along my findings.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
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Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Slam! Here's five G's on the table that says it will. Anyone care to 
match or raise me?

The King of diamonds


On 10/1/2017 9:44 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
It's my understanding that windows 10 creators fall edition will be 
released this month?  The big test will be will window eyes work with it?


-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 4:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and 
when

I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's my understanding that windows 10 creators fall edition will be released 
this month?  The big test will be will window eyes work with it?


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 4:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Interesting. I haven't noticed any new glitches with Windows updates.

Regarding Firefox? Mozilla has always been a thorn in the side of screen 
reader developers. Who knows what it stems from. Probably hallucinogenics.


Regards,
Tom




On 10/1/2017 7:12 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more 
and more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.


-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
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On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and 
when

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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I reported this vary problem yesterday morning. Had to use NVDA and had 
no problems. Also gave Jaws a try and it worked fine. So I'd say it had 
to do with FX's updating to a new version.


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Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and 
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before 
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What 
happened?--Matthew Chao.

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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[bj colt via Talk]

Hi

I'm puzzled as my friend lost all use of firefox yhet today he is using it 
normally. I don't know if he got someone to reinstall a previous version or 
not.


I can't use it but am tempted to go back to the previous version. It stopped 
working Thursday.


Yes n v d a and jws do work with firefox. I'm not sure why window-eyes 
doesn't. Then again from memory. I think this happened in the past with 
firefox and window-eyes. I will report it to firefox just in case they can 
resolve the situation.


Live long and prosper, John

Live long and prosper, John

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

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On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
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Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

With Window-Eyes you can use Firefox up through version 55.03, but not 56.0.
NVDA and JAWS should work fine with these newer Firefox versions.
I don't know whether it would be productive to put a bug report into the 
Firefox bug reporting system about Window-Eyes support or not.




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-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 11:15 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

You can tell it not to update. I think if the new versions of Firefox isn't
working with Window-Eyes, it is a clear sign that Window-eyes is failing
with the new updates. I use JAWS and NVDA and both work fine with the new
updates because both of these products are being updated.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 7:41 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Butch Bussen; mattc...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

This is not good.  I  still use window-eyes and fire fox.  Wonder if I can
tell it not to update?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 30 Sep 2017, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
wrote:


  Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their release
notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, which comes

out

some time in November.
I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of other
computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my Windows 7
laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; Window-Eyes
didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for Firefox. Then,
reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it began to

associate

with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can still read the items

in

the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the

full

contents of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be an
early warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving

up

yet, but passing along my findings.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Tony C via Talk]

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and 
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

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On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
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Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
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RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

You can tell it not to update. I think if the new versions of Firefox isn't
working with Window-Eyes, it is a clear sign that Window-eyes is failing
with the new updates. I use JAWS and NVDA and both work fine with the new
updates because both of these products are being updated.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 7:41 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Butch Bussen; mattc...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

This is not good.  I  still use window-eyes and fire fox.  Wonder if I can
tell it not to update?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 30 Sep 2017, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk 
wrote:

>   Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their release 
> notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, which comes
out 
> some time in November.
> I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of other 
> computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my Windows 7 
> laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; Window-Eyes 
> didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for Firefox. Then, 
> reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it began to
associate 
> with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can still read the items
in 
> the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the
full 
> contents of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be an 
> early warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving
up 
> yet, but passing along my findings.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Matthew Chao
> Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
>
> Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
> when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
> I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
> happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Yes you can. Its in the firefox settings.

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On September 30, 2017 10:58:30 PM Butch Bussen via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> This is not good.  I  still use window-eyes and fire fox.  Wonder if I
> can tell it not to update?
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2017, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
> wrote:
>
>>   Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their release
>> notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, which comes out
>> some time in November.
>> I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of other
>> computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my Windows 7
>> laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; Window-Eyes
>> didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for Firefox. Then,
>> reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it began to associate
>> with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can still read the items in
>> the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the full
>> contents of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be an
>> early warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving up
>> yet, but passing along my findings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
>> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
>> -Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Cc: Matthew Chao
>> Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate
>>
>> Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
>> when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
>> I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
>> happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

This is not good.  I  still use window-eyes and fire fox.  Wonder if I 
can tell it not to update?

73
Butch
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2017, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk 
wrote:


  Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their release 
notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, which comes out 
some time in November.
I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of other 
computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my Windows 7 
laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; Window-Eyes 
didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for Firefox. Then, 
reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it began to associate 
with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can still read the items in 
the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the full 
contents of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be an 
early warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving up 
yet, but passing along my findings.




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-Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Ian Westerland via Talk]

Lloyd, I don't use Firefox very much but am wondering if NVDA is 
handling the newer versions better.
Window-Eyes seems to be working ok with Internet Explorer so I can keep 
going with it for a while yet.


Cheers.


Ian Westerland




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On 10/1/2017 1:16 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
    Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their 
release notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, 
which comes out some time in November.
I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of 
other computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my 
Windows 7 laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; 
Window-Eyes didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for 
Firefox. Then, reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it 
began to associate with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can 
still read the items in the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this 
isn't helpful in reading the full contents of a page. More investigation 
is called for, but this may be an early warning sign of the lack of 
support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving up yet, but passing along my 
findings.




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-Original Message- From: Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
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Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

   Version 56 has come out in the last few days. VFO said in their release 
notes that they had done some work to prepare for version 57, which comes 
out some time in November.
I thought I had been successfully running version 56 on a couple of other 
computers, but now I'm not quite so sure. Tonight I updated my Windows 7 
laptop to version 56. At first, no SET file was being loaded; Window-Eyes 
didn't seem to recognize the correct file association for Firefox. Then, 
reading in the Control Panel and back out to Firefox, it began to associate 
with Firefox.set. But this didn't seem to help. I can still read the items 
in the tab order if MSAA mode is off, but this isn't helpful in reading the 
full contents of a page. More investigation is called for, but this may be 
an early warning sign of the lack of support for Window-Eyes. I'm not giving 
up yet, but passing along my findings.




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From: Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
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Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

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Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
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Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and 
when I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before 
I could go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What 
happened?--Matthew Chao.

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