[Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, to encourage mapping public transport, Tiziano and I have developed a line diagram generator that displays nice diagrams from (sufficiently properly mapped) bus routes. A showroom example is http://78.46.81.38/misc/showroom.svg generated by the URL

[Talk-transit] RFC on interchanging data

2010-02-24 Thread Roland Olbricht
Hello everybody, What is the consensus on how to map interchange data? I would like connect two (or more) bus stops and/or railway stations to indicate that you can preferably change vehicles there (e.g. the bus stop(s) that is/are intended to change into a nearby train station). This is often

Re: [Talk-transit] RFC on tram stops

2010-02-24 Thread Claudius Henrichs
Hello Roland, My first reply would be: public_transport=stop_position/platform tram=yes If you want to keep backward compatibility definitely go for railway=tram_stop because trams are considered part of the railway network. I've never heard about nor seen any actually tagged as

Re: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams

2010-02-24 Thread Melchior Moos
Wow, well done! 2010/2/24 Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de Hello everybody, to encourage mapping public transport, Tiziano and I have developed a line diagram generator that displays nice diagrams from (sufficiently properly mapped) bus routes. A showroom example is

Re: [Talk-transit] RFC on interchanging data

2010-02-24 Thread Peter Miller
On 24 Feb 2010, at 17:24, Claudius Henrichs wrote: Hello Roland, you hit the nail on the head: public_transport:stop_area relations are the way to go. At least I keep mapping stations/stops with interchange possibilities like that. Please do not forget about stop_area_group as well as

Re: [Talk-transit] Public Transport Plugin

2010-02-24 Thread David Murn
Hi all, Slightly off-topic post for this list, but Ive been looking at using something like this plugin to map bus routes and similar in my area, as I have an unlocked PNA which is perfectly suited for the purpose. Unfortunately (afaik) there has never existed a JVM/JRE for pocket devices such

Re: [talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

2010-02-24 Thread maning sambale
Hi, I updated the Marikina Mapping Event Page for the proposed cake slices, let me know if the chunks are manageable especially for newbies. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_Party/Marikina My estimate is the data collection would take around maximum of two

[talk-ph] City in well city names

2010-02-24 Thread Totor
Hi everybody I put back the City in some city names in cebu : Mandaue City, Lapu-Lapu City and Danao City They were removed some time ago, and while it makes sense (unlike Cebu City, there is no Mandaue island or province...), the road signs indicate Mandaue City and Lapu-Lapu City. The

[talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

2010-02-24 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
Suggestion for announcing the event to get maximum exposure. Go to facebook and become 'Fans' of Philippine tech and mapping related fan pages, I mean relative groups, not something like a cooking page and post a wall post there with the link to the event. Remember its not spam if its related

[talk-ph] City in well city names

2010-02-24 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
Yes interesting topic. In my research on this for the OSM page, I found that its subjective to include the City in the name, usually it makes sense to include it for places where there is a province or municipality of the same name. technically speaking the official name is 'Lungsod ng

Re: [talk-ph] City in well city names

2010-02-24 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Totor, We are having the same problem in Wikipedia. The current naming convention there is to add the City but there's a proposal to drop the City in most of them. Except for those cities that share names with other prominent places (Iloilo, Cebu, Davao, Cotabato, Isabela, Quezon, Sorsogon

Re: [talk-ph] City in well city names

2010-02-24 Thread eric pareja
We should follow the Philippine Standard Geographic Codes (PSGC) which is available at http://www.nscb.gov.ph/ACTIVESTATS/PSGC/default.asp The official city names are listed there in the quick table. So the official name will either be City of or City as indicated in the table there.

Re: [talk-ph] City in well city names

2010-02-24 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Eric, There's actually a tag for the official name: official_name=* For the name=* tag itself, it should be what casual people expect to see on maps. So it could be something like: name=Makati City official_name=City of Makati name:tl=Lungsod ng Makati official_name:tl=Lungsod ng Makati or

[talk-ph] Bacolod

2010-02-24 Thread maning sambale
http://osm.org/go/4n8s7ZJ but no trace: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mgarrucho/traces -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Import of Korea from Yahoo

2010-02-24 Thread Jonas Stein
Andrew Errington, CC'd, hosts talk-ko and may also be able to help. Thank you, he quickly replied, but could not help yet. I created a entry for open discussion: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue#Strange_imports So i wont create to much traffic about that on the Mailinglist.

Re: [OSM-talk] Semantic GIS site based on dbpedia, freebase, openstreetmaps, etc.

2010-02-24 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Looks like an app we could use as well, where is the source code? thanks, mike On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:30 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: sounds very exciting! will check it out! On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Paul Houle p...@ontology2.com wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-02-24 Thread Simone Cortesi
2010/2/23 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2010/2/24 Tomáš Tichý t.ti...@post.cz: I have tried BTC mapper and it is almost unusable (doesn´t work without GPS signal, can´t place POI to another place than my location, weird and uneditable presets). It's being worked on at present, the

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-02-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 February 2010 18:48, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: Any plan to make it compatible with the HTC TATTOO? I've tried to download it from the android market, but with no success. Is this due a problem with smaller screen sizes? ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-02-24 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 09:58, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Any plan to make it compatible with the HTC TATTOO? I've tried to download it from the android market, but with no success. Is this due a problem with smaller screen sizes? I bet so. But actually there is no way to

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Thanks for your thoughtful comments... And I hope you've taken some of them on board. You don't seem to make any realistic suggestions for moving forward and just, instead, suggest potlatch is fine as is the front page. That

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: * Freeze PL1 (TomH enforces no more updated on the server) and work on PL2 Wow. You'd really try to prevent any improvements that have been coded from being deployed? That's a bad idea. Sure, encourage people to work on P2

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-02-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 February 2010 19:13, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 09:58, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Any plan to make it compatible with the HTC TATTOO? I've tried to download it from the android market, but with no success. Is this due a problem with

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-02-24 Thread Patrick Weber
I tried Navit on Android yesterday, at least on my phone (HTC Magic) it was unusable, the map didnt update properly or follow my movements, and crashed a few times. I also could not find out how to actually set a route On 23/02/2010 22:42, John Smith wrote: For routing/using, there is

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Someoneelse
Andy Allan wrote: ... But I haven't seen any reference to www.openstreetmap.de, where it's strengths are, or what could be improved or learned from. The most interesting bit of www.openstreetmap.de to me is this - Fehler in der Karte? Selbst korrigieren (Anleitung) oder hier melden. - right

[OSM-talk] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeira

2010-02-24 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeira was flooded http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100222/tsc-breakneck-development-blamed-for-mad-b1f5339.html We should get the charter. It seems that unplanned development is something that we can track with OSM. That is the leading cause of fatalities from

Re: [OSM-talk] How inaccurate was the mapnik distance/scale marker?

2010-02-24 Thread Dave F.
Hi Thanks for your replies Egil Hjelmeland wrote: I assume you are referring to the OpenLayers based slippy map at openstreetmap.org? The Openlayers 2.8 ScaleLine class has the the problem that it does not handle that the map-scale is not constant accoss the map. The slippy map uses

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Chris Hill
SteveC wrote: [snip] Right up front we have the school of thought that everything is perfect the way it is. That uservoice is some kind of inherently crappy system (see the uservoice ideas page at http://osm.uservoice.com/ ). That we shouldn't allow people to use tools which make fixing

Re: [OSM-talk] fwd: Two thirds of mobile users want driving ANDwalking navigation

2010-02-24 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:29:10 + Graham Jones grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: You are both right. RF absorption is a combination of amount of material and its properties. I think the issue with trains is limited to newer ones with special windows (I think they are conductive - some

Re: [OSM-talk] How inaccurate was the mapnik distance/scale marker?

2010-02-24 Thread Egil Hjelmeland
Dave F. wrote: Excuse my ignorance, are you saying that it's 2x inaccurate at all zoom levels? At lattitude 60: yes. So one of the mapnik guys could implement it quite easily then? I don't think it is related to mapnik. It is the javascript code served by the web-site that wraps up the

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:27 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Thanks for your thoughtful comments... And I hope you've taken some of them on board. You don't seem to make any realistic suggestions for moving forward and just, instead,

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: * Freeze PL1 (TomH enforces no more updated on the server) and work on PL2 Wow. You'd really try to prevent any improvements that have been coded from being deployed? That's

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
Chris On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Chris Hill wrote: SteveC wrote: [snip] Right up front we have the school of thought that everything is perfect the way it is. That uservoice is some kind of inherently crappy system (see the uservoice ideas page at http://osm.uservoice.com/ ). That we

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:08 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: * Freeze PL1 (TomH enforces no more updated on the server) and work on PL2 Wow. You'd really try to prevent

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:27 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Sure, you don't like the way I communicate sometimes Hmm. It sounds to me like you don't think you've done

Re: [OSM-talk] How inaccurate was the mapnik distance/scale marker?

2010-02-24 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Egil Hjelmeland pri...@egil-hjelmeland.no wrote: Dave F. wrote: So one of the mapnik guys could implement it quite easily then? I don't think it is related to mapnik. It is the javascript code served by the web-site that wraps up the map rendered by mapnik,

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:08 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: * Freeze PL1 (TomH enforces no more updated on the server)

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:27 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Sure, you don't like the way I communicate sometimes

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread John Smith
Something I'd like to see in either PL1 or whatever replaces it is a tutorial mode that then corrects people's mapping efforts or makes suggestions on what they could have done better etc. Getting stuff displayed on a map, but getting instant feedback about mapping by newbies would go a long way,

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:44 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Can't you just get over yourself and admit that a newbie coming to OSM has a crap time? It's not hard! Stop defending it all. Steve, I don't think anyone on this list has said No, I don't understand why newbies are having a

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Richard Mann
Chill guys. I still just about remember being a newbie, and I didn't find Potlatch crap. Not knowing what the + button did was crap. The endless contradictory wiki is crap. It's a bit too easy to do something too dramatic in Potlatch by inadvertantly using the wrong keyboard shortcut (merging

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
Yours c. Steve On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:56, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:44 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Can't you just get over yourself and admit that a newbie coming to OSM has a crap time? It's not hard! Stop defending it all. Steve, I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread John Smith
On 25 February 2010 01:06, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Chill guys. I still just about remember being a newbie, and I didn't find Potlatch crap. I have a fairly technical background, and it took a 2nd look 6 months later for me to do anything of significance. When

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Michal Migurski
On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:21 AM, SteveC wrote: You believe that feedback is a good thing, but, it seems, only if the feedback confirms your own ideas. You have railed against the UI, against hard-working volunteer contributors and against anyone who disagrees with you, who's left? Oh that's

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread David Earl
I'd like to say a few words on the home page and editor. 1. Home Page: while I think Steve's proposal addresses some of the criticisms of the way the home page functions, I don't think it takes a holistic view of the project. What someone coming to it will initially see is essentially a me too

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Dermot McNally
On 24 February 2010 16:19, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: I'd like to say a few words on the home page and editor. 1. Home Page: while I think Steve's proposal addresses some of the criticisms of the way the home page functions, I don't think it takes a holistic view of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Tom Hughes
On 24/02/10 16:58, Dermot McNally wrote: But the home page real-estate should otherwise be utterly devoted to user-level features of the sort that non-expert users enjoy elsewhere. User waypoints. User lines and areas. .kml overlays, tracklog imports - we can argue over what these user

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Dermot McNally
On 24 February 2010 17:19, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 24/02/10 16:58, Dermot McNally wrote: I completely disagree. We're running a project to map the world, We agree on that - but I claim that to do so effectively we have to harness the power of all those people who don't yet get

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Steve Chilton
I have been very busy (and very put off) recently, so have not read EVERY posting on this topic but I would like to respond on the specific issue of an entry level editor. I can understand where people are coming from (Steve C included), can understand where they might be going, but really

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Thanks a lot Steve, for underlining the need to improve the experience of new visitors. This is right on spot with what we have been feeling regarding Haiti. Now that OSM is indeed the best map in Haiti, there is a kind of special responsibility that comes with this: let potential users know

Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?

2010-02-24 Thread Liz
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Patrick Weber wrote: I tried Navit on Android yesterday, at least on my phone (HTC Magic) it was unusable, the map didnt update properly or follow my movements, and crashed a few times. I also could not find out how to actually set a route On the Freerunner I run

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:06 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On of the nicest ideas I saw was splitting openstreetmap.com and .org - what you think of that? Have a nice interface on .com for newbies and then the community hub etc on .org Depends what you mean by community hub. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Liz
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote: Andy, building community and moving things on is not just be nice to everyone all the time. Sometimes it's also about being honest and saying, this is wrong, we can fix it. * Steve apologies - without caveats - regarding his demeaning of existing

[OSM-talk] OSM Haiti mapping on BBC News website

2010-02-24 Thread Paul Jaggard
OSM's Haiti effort gets a BBC News Magazine piece here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8517057.stm ...and it's currently featured on the http://news.bbc.co.uk/ front page. Paul. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Jamie Smith
On 24 February 2010 09:42, SteveC st...@asklater.com st...@asklater.com wrote: You don't seem to make any realistic suggestions for moving forward and just, instead, suggest potlatch is fine as is the front page. That doesn't seem to be in touch with the reality of every newbie who

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:16, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote: Thanks a lot Steve, for underlining the need to improve the experience of new visitors. And thanks for such a positive response and all your work. This is right on spot with what we have been feeling regarding Haiti.

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:47, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:21 AM, SteveC wrote: You believe that feedback is a good thing, but, it seems, only if the feedback confirms your own ideas. You have railed against the UI, against hard-working volunteer contributors

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 13:18, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote: Andy, building community and moving things on is not just be nice to everyone all the time. Sometimes it's also about being honest and saying, this is wrong, we can fix it. * Steve apologies -

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
Ha :-) Believe it or not I only just found out mapzen is GPL And as I pointed out before, it shares problems with PL like not having an open community behind it. Yours c. Steve On Feb 24, 2010, at 13:44, Jamie Smith jamiekrsm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 24 February 2010 09:42, SteveC

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Michal Migurski
On Feb 24, 2010, at 1:36 PM, SteveC wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:47, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: If you don't do this, it will continue to seem like you're paraphrasing phantom newbies to support what's basically a turf war here on the list. Mike it seems obvious to me. I've run

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward - and back

2010-02-24 Thread Vic Morgan
I just thought that you'd like the opinion of a (not so) newbie in this intense discussion. In order to attract people (potential mappers) to the site it has to offer something back - it has to have functionality. Not functionality to the mapper - Potlatch is quite adequate for my level of

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Jochen Plumeyer
Hi everybody, right now Schuyler Troubleseeker Erle and Tom Buckley are down here in the Caribbean. I hope some day I will be able as well to give some OSM workshops, I live just around the corner of the quake. Could we prepare something like a methodology of usability evaluation, to give

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward - and back

2010-02-24 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 25.02.2010 00:31, schrieb Vic Morgan: I just thought that you'd like the opinion of a (not so) newbie in this intense discussion. 1. Openrouteservice.org 2. Maposmatic.org I guess you have made a *very* valid point here. Promoting an easier to use bug tracking system doesn't make any

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Russ Nelson
SteveC writes: Or some combination. Whatever happens my best outcome would be something that 1) Has a big open source community behind it 2) Is easy(ier) to use PL1, PL2, MapZen don't do (1) JOSM does do (1) but for a newbie, does not do (2). Part of the problem with Potlatch is:

[OSM-talk-nl] GPS volgende slachtoffer georganiseerde hack

2010-02-24 Thread bas de Lange
Beste OSM'ers, Zie hier: http://www.automatiseringgids.nl/it-in-bedrijf/beheer/2010/8/gps-volgende-slachtoffer-georganiseerde-hack.aspx -- Met vriendelijke groet, Bas de Lange -- Best regards, Bas de Lange http://www.basdelange.com ___ Talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] GPS volgende slachtoffer georganiseerde hack

2010-02-24 Thread Christ van Willegen
2010/2/24 bas de Lange b...@basdelange.com: Zie hier: http://www.automatiseringgids.nl/it-in-bedrijf/beheer/2010/8/gps-volgende-slachtoffer-georganiseerde-hack.aspx Mede 'interessant', natuurlijk, vanwege het aanstaande kilometerheffing-debacle... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] GPS volgende slachtoffer georganiseerde hack

2010-02-24 Thread Lennard
Christ van Willegen wrote: Mede 'interessant', natuurlijk, vanwege het aanstaande kilometerheffing-debacle... Hoezo 'aanstaande'? :) En Bas, geef bij de volgende plak eens wat context. Waarom is dit relevant voor OSM, wat gaan wij ervan merken, moeten we hier bij de volgende mapping party

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] GPS volgende slachtoffer georganiseerde hack

2010-02-24 Thread Stefan de Konink
Op 24-02-10 14:58, Christ van Willegen schreef: 2010/2/24 bas de Langeb...@basdelange.com: Zie hier: http://www.automatiseringgids.nl/it-in-bedrijf/beheer/2010/8/gps-volgende-slachtoffer-georganiseerde-hack.aspx Mede 'interessant', natuurlijk, vanwege het aanstaande

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] GPS volgende slachtoffer georganiseerde hack

2010-02-24 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Of voor als straks er straks een mapping-oorlog uitbreekt: Met stoorzenders achter de concurrent aan rijden... Groet, Evil Floris :) Christ van Willegen wrote: 2010/2/24 bas de Lange b...@basdelange.com: Zie hier:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] GPS volgende slachtoffer georganiseerde hack

2010-02-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Dit is geschreven door iemand met gebrek aan aandacht. Waarom ingewikkeld storen als het makkelijk kan. Elke 100 mW 1470 / 1520 MHz stoorzender legt GPS plat in de wijde omgeving. Het is veel simpeler en goedkoper om het internet plat te leggen met stoorapparatuur en je bereikt meer

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] GPS volgende slachtoffer georganiseerde hack

2010-02-24 Thread Rob
doe je de bouwtekeningen even erbij ? stelletje vandalen :) Op 24 februari 2010 21:25 heeft ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl het volgende geschreven: Dit is geschreven door iemand met gebrek aan aandacht. Waarom ingewikkeld storen als het makkelijk kan.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] GPS volgende slachtoffer georganiseerde hack

2010-02-24 Thread Stefan de Konink
Op 24-02-10 21:52, Rob schreef: doe je de bouwtekeningen even erbij ? stelletje vandalen :) De AIVD leest mee... ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [talk-au] GA national park and state forest datasource - been discussed before?

2010-02-24 Thread Craig Feuerherdt
Chris, That GA dataset IMHO would form a good base for national/state forests. Looking at the metadata it is suitable at a 1:5 000 000 scale and therefore a whole heap of small parks will be missing/totally inaccurate, but as I said it would provide a base to start updating/adding missing parks

[talk-au] Overmapping?

2010-02-24 Thread Michael
Hi all! With the excellent resolution of the nearmap images, the smallest detailscan easily be added. But is this always a good idea? Have a look at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-32.073593lon=115.755062zoom=18 The footways along Duoro Road and Harbour Street (but not the one between them!)

Re: [talk-au] Hiking tracks: foot=yes or foot=designated?

2010-02-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:59 PM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I think it is useful.  We're used to it with road networks, with national routes and state routes.  Sure, hiking trails are shorter, but that doesn't mean it's unworkable. Just so we're on the same page, I understand you as

Re: [talk-au] Overmapping?

2010-02-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Michael spam...@gmx-ist-cool.de wrote: The footways along Duoro Road and Harbour Street (but not the one between them!) do not carry any information IMHO I disagree. They indicate that there is a footway there. If it's a verifiable fact, IMHO it rightly

Re: [talk-au] Overmapping?

2010-02-24 Thread Liz
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, Roy Wallace wrote: but clutter the map display, especially on GPS units. With three times as much nodes per meter of the street(the actual road + 2 footways), data processing and editing is getting ever more resource hungry. This, on the other hand, may well be

Re: [talk-au] Overmapping?

2010-02-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: This, on the other hand, may well be true. But IMHO this is NOT a reason to limit what gets entered into the OSM database, but simply to *pre-process* the OSM data (filtering out unwanted details as desired) prior to loading onto

Re: [talk-au] GA national park and state forest datasource - been discussed before?

2010-02-24 Thread Steve Bennett
Yeah, but: The data are subject to Copyright. Data files may be downloaded from Geoscience Australia's website at www.ga.gov.au/download/. A licence agreement is required. Strange wording, and where is this licence agreement? Steve ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Hiking tracks: foot=yes or foot=designated?

2010-02-24 Thread John Henderson
Steve Bennett wrote: Just so we're on the same page, I understand you as proposing that we use NWN for the AAWT and the BNT, and nothing else. Zero IWT, two NWN, lots of RWN and LWN. Yes, until we develop other national trails. I think we can do better. I don't. When the Bicentennial

[Talk-br] Plug-in de Transporte Público no JOSM

2010-02-24 Thread Vitor George
-- Forwarded message -- From: Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de Date: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:32 AM Subject: [Talk-transit] Public Transport Plugin To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics talk-tran...@openstreetmap.org Hello everybody, the Public Transport

[Talk-br] Diagrama de Linhas de Transporte Públi co

2010-02-24 Thread Vitor George
Mais uma coisa interessante sobre Transporte Público -- Forwarded message -- From: Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de Date: Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:43 AM Subject: [Talk-transit] Line diagrams To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics

Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 17, assunto 24

2010-02-24 Thread Vitor George
Tem um projeto que está rolando na Câmara Federal que pode ter a ver com o tema: http://tinyurl.com/yfdhjft. Creio que o projeto tem mais a ver com acesso a informações da época da ditadura, mas vale a pena pesquisar. 2010/2/23 Fernando Caldas fernandoccal...@gmail.com Fala Vitor. Na época

Re: [Talk-br] Atualização do Status de Mapeamento da Cidade de São Paulo

2010-02-24 Thread Aun Johnsen
Para mim parecendo que so eu fazendo os cidades capixaba. 2010/2/23 Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com: Também me sinto assim. Uma solução é você mudar pra Natal :P Em 23 de fevereiro de 2010 09:50, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Queria ter

Re: [Talk-de] Arztpraxen

2010-02-24 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Ulf Lamping schrieb: Ihr könnt hier gerne diskutieren solange ihr wollt was denn laut Wörterbuch richtig oder falsch ist, ändern wird das aus meiner Sicht am bereits etablierten doctors aber nichts mehr. +1 Zumal: * physician eine höhere Tippfehlerwahrscheinlichkeit hat. * Mit Physiker

Re: [Talk-de] Motivation zum Beheben von Bug-meldungen von kommerziellen Verwertern der OSM Daten?!?

2010-02-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Tirkon wrote: Wird Skobbler die OSM Datenbank nach seinen Wünschen und/oder mit/gegen den Willen der Community aktiv umzugestalten versuchen? Ich denke mal, Skobbler bringt einfach viele neue User - und damit eventuell verstaerktes User-Interesse nach Dingen, die fuer die Navigation

Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS/OSM-Konferenz: Anmeldung noch bis 2 6.Februar möglich

2010-02-24 Thread Sven Geggus
Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com wrote: Massmailings dagegen sind nichts anderes als Werbung, das ist eine einseitige Sache. Au weia einfach mal die Kirche im Dorf lassen! Es geht hier um Massenmails die für eine Veranstaltung innerhalb des Projektes werben zu dem sich der Benutzer

Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS/OSM-Konferenz: Anmeldung noch bis 26.Februar möglich

2010-02-24 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 05:07:17AM +0100, Tirkon wrote: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 3) Wird es zumindest Audioaufzeichnungen der Vorträge geben? Da gilt das gleiche wie mit den Videoaufzeichnungen - wenn sich irgendjemand darum kuemmert, ist das sicher kein Problem.

[Talk-de] Flächendefintionen in Zeitungen

2010-02-24 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! wenn in Regionalzeitungen Flächen z.b. für Hundefreillauf beschrieben werden und ggf. grafisch dargestellt werden. In wieweit würdet Ihr diese in OSM übernehmen bzw. als Referenzliste abschreiben und im örtlichen Wiki-Teil hinterlegen ? Gruß Jan :-)

Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS/OSM-Konferenz: Anmeldung noch bis 26.Februar möglich

2010-02-24 Thread Guenther Meyer
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 09:52:00AM +0100, Jochen Topf wrote: Das gibt es sicher kein großartiges Audio-Mischpult an dem jemand sitzt. Das sind Uni-Hörsäle, die haben üblicherweise was simples eingebaut. Du kannst dich an Kai Behncke kbehn...@igf.uni-osnabrueck.de wenden, vielleicht kann der

[Talk-de] Telefone ohne Geldannahme

2010-02-24 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! es gibt vom Pink-Panther Telefonsäulen [1] ohne Dach und ohne Währungsannahme von denen nur eine 0800er-Nummer angerufen werden kann und SOS-Rufe getätigt werden können. Da ich bis dato keine Tags gefunden habe wollte ich diese wie folgt erfassen: amenity = telephone operator = Telekom

Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS/OSM-Konferenz: Anmeldung noch bis 26.Februar möglich

2010-02-24 Thread Guenther Meyer
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 08:40:12AM +, Sven Geggus wrote: Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com wrote: Massmailings dagegen sind nichts anderes als Werbung, das ist eine einseitige Sache. Au weia einfach mal die Kirche im Dorf lassen! Es geht hier um Massenmails die für eine

[Talk-de] Neue Mailingliste Ruhrgebiet

2010-02-24 Thread Olaf Kotzte
Hallo, zum Informationsaustausch über die Stadtgrenzen hinaus steht der OSM Community im gesamten Ruhrgebiet ab sofort eine eigene Mailingliste zur Verfügung. Auch soll Mappern in Ruhrgebietsstädten ohne eigene Mailingliste ein Forum gegeben werden um ihre lokale Arbeit zu organisieren.

Re: [Talk-de] Telefone ohne Geldannahme

2010-02-24 Thread Mirko Küster
es gibt vom Pink-Panther Telefonsäulen [1] ohne Dach und ohne Währungsannahme von denen nur eine 0800er-Nummer angerufen werden kann und SOS-Rufe getätigt werden können. Wie schon mehrmals auf der Liste gepostet... Das ist ein Basistelefon, der Telefonzellenersatz in umsatzschwachen Gegenden.

Re: [Talk-de] Telefone ohne Geldannahme

2010-02-24 Thread Fabian
also lieber tagen als coin no phonecard no um rauszustellen das die zahlarten nicht vergessen wurden? (die genauen tags habe ich gerade nicht im kopf) Mirko Küster wrote: es gibt vom Pink-Panther Telefonsäulen [1] ohne Dach und ohne Währungsannahme von denen nur eine 0800er-Nummer angerufen

Re: [Talk-de] Telefone ohne Geldannahme

2010-02-24 Thread Walter Nordmann
hi, wenn es wirklich ein telefon wäre (bin mir nicht ganz sicher aber ich hab wohl auch schon solche gesehen) ist der tag amenity=emergency_phone wohl das beste. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/emergency_phone mfg wambacher - Erst wenn der letzte Programmierer

Re: [Talk-de] Tauchen

2010-02-24 Thread Dimitri Junker
Hallo, Es gibt in diesen Bereichen aber auch nur sehr wenige Punkte.. Seltsam, die Bereiche hatte ich mir ausgesucht weil ich dachte, daß da am meisten Taucher unterwegs sind und so evtl auch Daten in der Datenbank. Ich hatte um: http://osm.t-i.ch/cgi-

Re: [Talk-de] Tauchen

2010-02-24 Thread Dimitri Junker
Hallo, Wäre es irgendwie möglich die ausgewählten POI-Arten also z.B. sport=diving, mit in den Permalink zu schreiben? Sei es in der Langform, also: sport=divingsport=scuba_diving oder den Value als Bitmap: sport=12 wobei dann also cycling=1, diving=2,scuba_diving=10 (jeweils hex) wäre,

[Talk-de] Osmarender neu zeichnen lassen

2010-02-24 Thread Dimitri Junker
Hallo, Zoomlevel ab 12 kann man ja ganz einfach neu zechnen lassen, aber was ist mit 1-11? Z.B. sind auf: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-0.4lon=45.4zoom=5layers=0B00FTF immer noch die Seychellen etwa 1000km zu weit nach NNW wie man einfach sehen kann wenn man zwischen Osmarender und Mapnik

Re: [Talk-de] Telefone ohne Geldannahme

2010-02-24 Thread Fabian
Mir gefaellt das mit dem Basis-telefon besser. Schonmal versucht an ner Notrufsaeule ne 0800 zu waehlen oder sich dort anrufen zu lassen. ;) Vielmehr sind alle Telefonzellen (AFAIR) SOS faehig. Walter Nordmann wrote: hi, wenn es wirklich ein telefon wäre (bin mir nicht ganz sicher aber ich

Re: [Talk-de] FOSSGIS/OSM-Konferenz: Anmeldung noch bis 2 6.Februar möglich

2010-02-24 Thread Mirko Küster
Es geht hier um Massenmails die für eine Veranstaltung innerhalb des Projektes werben zu dem sich der Benutzer selbst angemeldet hat! Derzeit gibt es den Schalter Informiere mich über Veranstaltungen noch nicht, aber ich finde, dass man den im Rahmen einer Anmeldung durchaus per default auf

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