Re: [Talk-GB] Pubs as areas: should be map the property or the building?

Can I make a plea to keep away from using landuse polygons for this, as SK53 suggested in the original post? In town centres, pubs are often just a "shop" in a row of shops; they are therefore already in a landuse=retail polygon. Having to have an island of landuse=retail within the larger retail

Re: [OSM-talk] Guides to improve navigation data in OpenStreetMap

In the Netherlands just about everything that can apply to motor vehicles can also be found somewhere applying to bicycles. That includes turn lanes... --colin On 12 March 2016 14:12:25 CET, Arun Ganesh wrote: >> >> this means that all turn:lanes, change:lanes,

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM with Wikidata: now covers UK and Ireland

Richard, As we are not copying the content from Wikipedia/Wikidata, but just a reference, it sounds analogous to the many discussions there have been about hyperlinks to copyright-infringing content, i.e. the question of whether the link itself constitutes a copyright infringement. The link

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM with Wikidata: now covers UK and Ireland

The category names are from > Wikipedia. I start with the "Airports by country" > category and just grab the subcategories for United Kingdom and Ireland. In a > previous version I had code to strip the ' by country' from the end. I'll try > and restore it to reduce the con

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM with Wikidata: now covers UK and Ireland

Hi Edward, I took a look at the result pages and I noticed a small, but pervasive typo. All the listings of a category per county are actually titled per countRy on all the pages. For example on the Greater London page http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/gb-ie/region/Greater_London you see under

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

On 2016-02-15 16:46, Lester Caine wrote: > On 15/02/16 14:15, Colin Smale wrote: On 2016-02-15 13:42, Lester Caine wrote: > > So Bath is also a > city despite being below some arbitrary population limit. Bath has around > 100k inhabitants, not exactly a hamlet... But it doesn'

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

lots of places as > cities that legally aren't. > > Paul > > ---- Original message > From: Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> > Date: 15/02/2016 14:15 (GMT+00:00) > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city > &

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

On 2016-02-15 13:42, Lester Caine wrote: > So Bath is also a > city despite being below some arbitrary population limit. Bath has around 100k inhabitants, not exactly a hamlet... But it doesn't have a city council, only Charter Trustees. > If we know the > population then it should be

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

I can't find Gregory's suggestion in my mailbox... did it go to the list? Is the suggestion to put place:designation=city on the place node? Or on an admin boundary, or on a landuse=residential or what? Why is place:designation needed, and not simply designation? And would this mean that St

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

but Bath might be a good example to look at. --colin On 2016-02-15 12:08, Mark Goodge wrote: > On 12/02/2016 17:18, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Several attempts have been made to "correct" the tagging from city to >> village/town... each time it was changed back t

Re: [Talk-GB] Other Routes With Public Access

This page gives a bit of background info about these ORPAs on OS maps https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/about/governance/foi/questions/2011/0041.html --colin On 2016-02-13 21:10, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Hello Dudley, > > Not sure if it's standard but I use either "designation=orpa" if

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

According to Wikipedia, it is country-dependent. As it is an English word, we should only discuss about its meaning in an English-speaking context. There is no such thing as a hamlet in Germany for example; they have different words with different semantics, which may or may not map onto English

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

Can I mention the City of Brighton and Hove? The city status is held by the unitary authority (Brighton and Hove City Council). Neither Brighton nor Hove is a city. //colin On 2016-02-12 15:23, Chris Hill wrote: > On 12/02/16 11:51, Ian Caldwell wrote: > >> On 11 February 2016 at 21:32,

Re: [Talk-GB] place=village/town/city

definition, and the definition based on population. If we use population for place=*, how do we get the rendering to correspond to expectations? We will need additional tags I think. On 12 February 2016 14:52:13 CET, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote: >On 12/02/2016 13:15, Colin Sm

Re: [Talk-GB] Changeset #36985172 revert request - Deal area, Kent

ndy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > On 04/02/2016 15:49, Colin Smale wrote: > Actually, this user has done a lot more damage, in many other changesets over > the past few weeks... Methinks a candidate for a block pending contact... > Anyone with an interest in the Deal a

Re: [Talk-GB] Changeset #36985172 revert request - Deal area, Kent

016 15:49, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Actually, this user has done a lot more damage, in many other changesets >> over the past few weeks... Methinks a candidate for a block pending >> contact... Anyone with an interest in the Deal area is recommended to check >> t

Re: [Talk-GB] Changeset #36985172 revert request - Deal area, Kent

Actually, this user has done a lot more damage, in many other changesets over the past few weeks... Methinks a candidate for a block pending contact... Anyone with an interest in the Deal area is recommended to check the area...ent On 2016-02-04 16:19, Colin Smale wrote: > Hi, > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries in Northern Ireland

Cities in the UK is a title awarded to a "place" by the Crown (formally). The status has to be awarded to some entity, which is usually an existing local government unit. Its boundaries are therefore inherited from the local government unit which holds the city status. Not to be confused with

Re: [Talk-GB] Admin Boundaries in Northern Ireland

What is missing, is AL8 - used for "Districts" in the UK. Counties used to exist in NI but they are now defunct as administrative entities. The boundaries seem to be (still) there in OSM, but with boundary=historic admin_level=6. I am not sure where the existing AL10 data came from, and what these

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative boundaries: polygons or polylines?

Hi Bob, They all seem to be made up of multiple ways. I noticed that Bix and Assendon has role=outer consistently applied, whereas the others have no explicit role on the ways. This is implicitly equivalent to role=outer but having explicit roles for the members in a relation may be considered

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative boundaries: polygons or polylines?

Bob, Glad to be of assistance. One tiny word of warning when you add role=outer: please make sure you do it to ALL the ways (without a role) in a relation, because a mix of empty roles and role=outer in the same relation will definitely cause more problems than simply having empty roles! You

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

I am working hard (manual labour!) on the OSM coverage of Civil Parishes, but they will never cover 100% of England due to large swathes being unparished. Don't forget to distinguish between Civil and Ecclesiastical parishes - they have been steadily diverging for over 100 years... //colin On

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative boundaries: polygons or polylines?

Hi Bob, I have been doing a lot of work looking after admin boundaries in the UK in the last few years, including adding many thousands of Civil Parish relations. Admin boundaries are represented by relations with type=boundary. Syntactically these are similar to multipolygons, whereby the

Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Background Layers

I am seeing this as well... The list is only about half as long as it was earlier today... On 2016-01-08 23:13, Steve Doerr wrote: > When editing in Potlatch 2, the list of background layers seems rather short. > In particular, Mapnik (the default style) is not on the list. > > Bug? Or change

Re: [Talk-GB] More questions on Schools project

Does anyone have information on the lifecycle of an Edubase ID? If a school changes name, does the ID change? What about if it changes status and becomes an academy? If a school splits, do both halves get a new ID or does one half carry on with the old one? (GSS identifiers used to identify

Re: [OSM-talk] Belgium/Netherlands Boundary Change

Hi Steve, It's all under control with the local NL/BE communities. The decision still needs to be ratified by the various parliaments before it takes effect; that is expected to happen sometime this year. --colin On 2016-01-05 12:54, Steve Doerr wrote: > Just read this article about a

Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

Great idea Robert! Any idea why it is not matching Gravesend Grammar School (at DA12 2PR) which is in OSM with amenity=school on way http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/142625579 ? I have noticed several other schools in Gravesend and surroundings which as far as I can see are in OSM and not being

Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

- possibly even tighter than the name, given that schools probably have their own postcode, and that the school names can change. //colin [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/529528620 On 2016-01-03 20:11, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > On 3 January 2016 at 19:04, Colin Smale <co

[OSM-talk] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Wiki page Map Features has been changed by David1234

Anyone know what is going on here? A newly registered user has removed all the content from an important wiki page (Map Features) and replaced it with a test message... //colin Original Message SUBJECT: OpenStreetMap Wiki page Map Features has

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Wiki page Map Features has been changed by David1234

-26 um 11:41 schrieb Colin Smale: > >> Anyone know what is going on here? A newly registered user has removed >> all the content from an important wiki page (Map Features) and replaced >> it with a test message... > > I reverted his changes at Map_Features and wil

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim weakness

It would be nice to have some shades of grey in there, like a choice of radius, e.g. within 1km, 10km, 100km, 1000km On 2015-12-14 13:43, Jorge Gustavo Rocha wrote: > Hi, > > I think that we can add an option to bound the results to the current > viewport. That option would be passed to

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim weakness

Could there also be sorting options for the result set? For example by distance (nearest first), importance (the current algorithm?), ... And how about filters to show what you are looking for: returning places, POIs, roads, ... //colin On 2015-12-14 13:43, Jorge Gustavo Rocha wrote: > Hi, >

Re: [OSM-talk] Graphic vector maps - Illustrator

And you get prompted to allow cookies on the page containing the cookie policy, which is daft. The cookie policy page is Shopify's, and does not cover GA. You have to add GA to your web page yourself with Shopify, if I recall correctly. On 2015-12-07 16:26, Simon Poole wrote: > Your website

Re: [Talk-GB] route relations type=road

You are referring to the "official" refs. Is it *possible* that the signs disagree with the official data? To make things look more logical for drivers? I ask this because we tend to give precedence in our mapping to what is visible on road signs, rather than blindly following the official

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

; On 22/11/15 14:32, Colin Smale wrote: > >> By the way, just to be absolutely clear, I am not thinking of w3w as a >> coordinate system in OSM, but as an addressing attribute similar to >> postcodes. > > On one hand, one plugs in the three word location to their ap

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

shopping delivered... In my example the party that needs to do the translation from w3w to lat/lon would be Amazon, and they will probably be paying w3w for a licence to do that. On 2015-11-30 13:30, Lester Caine wrote: > On 30/11/15 11:59, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I think their bi

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

. http://www.citymetric.com/horizons/buildings-dubai-and-abu-dhabi-didnt-have-official-addresses-thats-finally-changing-838 On 2015-11-30 14:41, stegg...@steggink.org wrote: > Citeren Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > >> Correct, but the accuracy issue is a weaknes

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

They stopped selling OneWords. https://twitter.com/what3words/status/594070034625986561 On 2015-11-24 11:03, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 24/11/15 08:00, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Even if we completely ignore the licensing issues, there is a profit >> motive behind w3w. They gotta sell

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

True, they admit the 3D aspect cannot be handled at the moment. They tend to emphasise the opposite: one building with a single address, but multiple entrances; they can each have an individual w3w. On 2015-11-23 10:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-22 15:32 GMT+01:00 Colin Sm

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

I think their idea is that you can quote a location with the words which for humans is much easier to memorize and less prone to mishearing over dodgy phone and radio links than lat/lon or some other scientific grid reference. On 24 November 2015 08:45:18 CET, Paul Johnson

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

l.com wrote: > On 22/11/2015 12:51, Colin Smale wrote: > >> ...and once again, as seems to be the norm in OSM, any minority interest >> which is not supported by the oligarchy gets mercilessly shot down. > > ... except it's not _just_ the "oligarchy", is it? N

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

formation is publicly available. Only time will tell > if w3w takes off commercially. Right now they have had $5m of > funding and have an impressive list of partners. > > --colin > > On 2015-11-22 14:01, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: > > On 22/11/2015 12:51, Colin Smale

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 2015-11-22 15:47, Dave F. wrote: > On 22/11/2015 14:32, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I just said "w3w exists, what could/should we do?" > > The consensus appears to be "Nothing" Agreed. --colin ___ talk mai

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

. On 2015-11-22 11:46, Paul Norman wrote: > On 11/22/2015 2:39 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I have heard a few times recently about what3words, a new novel >> coordinate/addressing system for the whole world. >> >> Could/should we be doing anything to support/facili

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 2015-11-22 13:49, Daniel Kastl wrote: > The difference in their proprietary system (if you want to call > address systems in in countries closed and proprietary) is, that when > their API (and "algorithm") goes away, you won't find any address > anymore. It's totally unreliable to depend

[OSM-talk] What3words

I have heard a few times recently about what3words, a new novel coordinate/addressing system for the whole world. Could/should we be doing anything to support/facilitate/implement this system in OSM?

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 2015-11-22 13:04, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:07:43 +0100 > Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> I guess there would be no objections to someone adding >> addr:w3w:en=nice.place.here ? Or addr:w3w=en:nice.place.here ? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 2015-11-22 13:18, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2015-11-22 12:07, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I guess there would be no objections to someone adding >> addr:w3w:en=nice.place.here ? Or addr:w3w=en:nice.place.here ? > > Reading about what it is, it is just a lookup between

Re: [OSM-talk] What3words

On 2015-11-22 13:42, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 13:16:24 +0100 > Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > On 2015-11-22 13:04, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:07:43 +0100 > Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

-11-02 10:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> Am 01.11.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: >> >> Is a pharmacy not the same as shop=chemist with dispensing=yes? > > isn't a chemist the same as a drug store?

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

or whatever) it's just a waste of energy. Again. And if a miracle does happen, we can put it on the wiki for all to see and get started on retagging all the others. --colin On 2015-11-02 11:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-02 10:34 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > &

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 2015-11-02 11:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-02 11:16 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > >> The second issue is that the value part of the KVP is redundant - the >> presence of the key is enough. > > not if you consi

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

; would probably be an example of this). //colin On 2015-11-02 12:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-02 11:45 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > > On 2015-11-02 11:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-11-02 11:16 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

up with 24 shades of muddy brown. --colin On 2015-11-02 13:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > Am 02.11.2015 um 12:35 schrieb Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > >> Back to our chemists/drugstores/pharmacies, ... >> >> The "art&q

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

so feel free. On 2015-11-02 12:57, Warin wrote: > On 2/11/2015 10:35 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I see your point Martin. So all we need now (for your example) is a >> documented map from shop=tobacco to a list of sells:*=* tags which are >> default for shop=tobac

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

On 2015-11-02 13:24, Marc Gemis wrote: >> that's the difference between explicit and implicit mapping. If you are >> explicit, you know that it should be like that, if you rely on the absence >> of information / tags you might fall on your nose because the data wasn't >> complete etc. >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.36.0

Is a pharmacy not the same as shop=chemist with dispensing=yes? To my mind it sounds like it. If there is a distinction, isn't it getting a bit academic? On 2015-11-01 12:51, Richard wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 09:01:04AM +1100, Warin wrote: On 31/10/2015 8:10 AM, > Matthijs Melissen

Re: [Talk-GB] New map style

and explained to them properly. The fact that the date may change, is no excuse for not having some kind of target date... //colin On 2015-10-31 23:27, Chris Hill wrote: > On 31/10/15 21:59, Colin Smale wrote: > >> The change could have been managed better, like proper announcements

Re: [Talk-GB] New map style

I was thinking the same. The new colour scheme is not what I am used to, but having said that, it is kinda growing on me... But the colour schemes are part of the local culture for many people, and you will never suit all of the people all of the time. It is definitely time we had a framework

Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

If their edits are factually correct, they are improving OSM which is a good thing. But they should really engage more with the community so we can see where all this wisdom is coming from, what they are working towards and who is behind it. Failure to respond to the many enquiries does not

Re: [Talk-GB] User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction "

AFAIK Kent doesn't go round putting 2m width limits on country lanes - more likely to be 6'6" "except for access". A random spot-check on his most recent changesets with Google Streetview shows indeed 6'6" "except for access" so he may actually be correct, except for the discutable correctness

Re: [Talk-GB] Spamdalism caught

020-3 is not a "virtual" number, it's a normal London number range. http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/telecoms/numbering/guidance-tele-no/london-area-code/ --colin On 2015-10-20 13:14, Philip Barnes wrote: > It came as little surprise that they have an 0203 number, which is a virtual >

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

A boundary couldn't be "the river" as a river has non-zero width. It might be the "centre line", "deepest line", "fastest flowing bit" . but it cannot be "the river" without further qualification. On 2015-10-14 11:31, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/14/2015 10:56 AM, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

How is the boundary legally defined? If it is a set of coordinates or a line on a map, then there is no intrinsic link with the line of the highway. If the highway is realigned, this will not (automatically) affect the boundary. This may have already happened in the past, so the lines are

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

On 2015-10-14 13:04, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Wednesday 14 October 2015, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Boundaries are often downloadable from authoritative sources. The >> downloadable data is however not always the legal definition of the >> boundary, but deri

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

Boundaries are often downloadable from authoritative sources. The downloadable data is however not always the legal definition of the boundary, but derived from that definition - either by surveying if the definition is descriptive, or by generalisation as the full level of detail is too much

Re: [OSM-talk] open question about boundaries sharing nodes with ways or nodes

provincial or municipal boundaries, of which there are many, many more. On 2015-10-14 13:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> Am 14.10.2015 um 12:27 schrieb Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: >> >> The boundary is where the gov

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2015-10-12 12:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-10-12 11:09 GMT+02:00 > Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>: > > about the sources of the other information (electrification info, > usage etc), maybe it's inside info, maybe it's a guess, or mayb

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

Same here, very similar message and very similar response I noticed he has unblocked himself and is working again, but in the new changeset I looked at yesterday "tracks=N" was no longer being added. Still not sure about the sources of the other information (electrification info, usage

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

You forgot Switzerland, where they not only have multiple gauges but multiple supply systems, including 3-phase. On 2015-10-12 12:14, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2015-10-12 12:05, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-10-12 11:09 GMT+02:00 > Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

a helluva job. It is no surprise that people use a single way for a group of tracks as a first-order approximation. Adding tracks=N to that is not wrong, it's just incomplete. //colin On 2015-10-10 13:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

you get a response from DWG about a possible block on this user? //colin On 2015-10-10 13:46, Colin Smale wrote: > Exactly, this is the core of the "complaint" about WJtW's work. > > However, tracks=* is an accepted shortcut, somewhere between a single way for > th

[OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

Hi, User WJtW[1] has been making large numbers of edits to railways across Europe in the past few months, all with the changeset comment "Electrified". Most of them are adding tags like gauge=1435 which may well be right (although I have no idea of his source for this). However on many

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

also indicating it is > a superfluous tag when all tracks are mapped. > > It borders on vandalism. > > [1 [1]] <http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30099> > > Regards, > Maarten > > On 2015-10-07 09:20, Colin Smale wrote: > >> Hi, >> >

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

What is "track_detail=yes"? I can't find it anywhere in the (English) wiki... //colin On 2015-10-07 11:11, Richard Mann wrote: > I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at > railway tagging for a while, though. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts

Thanks for contacting DWG, Michael. It is not limited to tracks=2 by the way - I have seen examples of four tracks, all with tracks=4... --colin On 2015-10-07 10:56, Michael Reichert wrote: > Hi. > > Am 2015-10-07 um 10:03 schrieb Colin Smale: > >> I am not sure it

Re: [OSM-talk] Somebody should offer planet file postgis dump files

I wonder how many people are actually using world-wide data as opposed to being interested in specific geographic areas. Country/region based planet dumps would definitely get my vote, especially if there was such a thing as a regional full history file... On 2015-09-27 15:55, Daniel Koć

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

Hi Lester, can you provide a link to the ONS data you are referring to? On 2015-09-14 16:39, Lester Caine wrote: > On 14/09/15 15:18, Richard Symonds wrote: > >> Perhaps it would be better to, instead of having a hierarchy based on >> definitions, instead having a hierarchy based on pure

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

No reason whatsoever but how do you determine what a place calls itself? What the Parish Council puts on the "village" sign -> according to the PC. What the population maps to according to some algorithm -> according to the author of the algorithm. On 2015-09-14 15:23, Richard Symonds

Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

Some civil parishes are even cities (I am thinking of Salisbury for example). And some cities don't have a council of their own (e.g. Bath). So it is all dependent on how you look at it. Current population, historical status, government/democratic decisions... On 2015-09-14 09:53, Mark

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

Respect to Russ for standing up for his principles in the face of all this bullying. Nobody has given a *consistent* answer yet. Why are "former railway lines" which are no longer immediately evident on the ground forbidden so vehemently in OSM when so many other artefacts from the past are

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

you help me out and give a link to the page you are referring to? On 12 September 2015 10:33:58 CEST, "Dave F." <dave...@madasafish.com> wrote: >On 12/09/2015 04:09, Warin wrote: >> On 12/09/2015 8:36 AM, Colin Smale wrote: >>> >>> Why shouldn't it wo

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

On 12/09/2015 12:37, Colin Smale wrote: >> Rendering precedence is a different subject to tagging. You know what > >> happens to suggestions of tagging in a certain way for the purposes >of >> influencing the appearance of a map... > >You're misunderstanding the

Re: [OSM-talk] THIS is the kind of enthusiasm some would reject

Why shouldn't it work? It is perfectly easy to understand what is intended. Anyway where is the list or definition of what constitutes a *primary* tag? On 2015-09-12 00:11, Dave F. wrote: > On 11/09/2015 03:07, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > >> But the primary key is definitely highway=track,

Re: [OSM-talk] The wki pages ... for the mapper? or the render? or both?

Is there a metamodel behind this? Something that says (simplistic example) there are "objects" which have "properties" and "links to / relationships with other objects"? And how this might map to OSM entities and their tagging? IMHO something like this as a "poster on the wall for every

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] understanding administrative boundary relations

There already is such a tool, which currently only watches UK+Ireland. http://www.loach.me.uk/osm/boundaries/ Try contacting Ed Loach, the author (EdLoach on OSM). --colin On 2015-09-04 09:39, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote: >

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

, is going a bit far. On 2015-09-02 12:30, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 02/09/2015, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > >> Are you suggesting that parcel boundaries have no place in OSM, or that >> only verifiable sources should be used? Suppose there was a su

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

Are you suggesting that parcel boundaries have no place in OSM, or that only verifiable sources should be used? Suppose there was a suitably licensed source of such boundaries, with authoritative provenance. Would you be against this being in OSM on principle? Or is it only your supposition

Re: [OSM-talk] Abandoned Rails

that is agreed by the entire world. On 2015-09-02 14:23, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: > On Wed Sep 2 13:15:42 2015 GMT+0100, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: On 02/09/2015, > Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: I see two separate issues getting > mixed up: firstly, what types of

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

This is your opinion, which you are seeking to impose on everybody. Somewhat selectively it would appear, as you are not going to burn your fingers on highway=proposed. I guess you will be deleting the HS2 (proposed UK high speed rail line) route as well, right? If you would like to, you will

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

While we are at it, what about specific symbols for train/metro stations per operator? That is also a great landmark for map users. On 2015-08-21 11:57, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: Lester Caine lester at

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

That discussion is only a waste of time because people hope that a consensus will magically appear. The subject of the discussion is absolutely something which deserves air-time. I am not talking about the specific case of abandoned railways, but about who has the right to decide what data has

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

-used saying with regards to the political or social situation (yeah, we Poles like to complain a lot!) - it sucks but at least it's stable! Paweł On Thu, Aug 20, 2015, at 11:39, Colin Smale wrote: That discussion is only a waste of time because people hope that a consensus

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

, Colin Smale wrote: So if I think something is useful to me, and I am prepared to maintain it to my own satisfaction, I can feel free add it I'd think it should be documented in the wiki .. so others can 'see' what it is and use it if they like. And the source tag should be used. Do remember

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 2015-08-18 02:13, Warin wrote: On 17/08/2015 11:13 PM, Colin Smale wrote: ...which IMHO is part of the bigger picture of data quality. Quality is not the same as perfection. It is about agreeing things, complying with what has been agreed, the ability to measure the compliance

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 2015-08-17 13:37, Warin wrote: On 17/08/2015 4:28 PM, Colin Smale wrote: If only all this energy were directed at helping OSM forwards. We haven't had a lot of progress in the last few years (I am not talking about mapping as such, but about the OSM framework itself

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

So who decides what is good data and what is bad data? And visibility on the ground needs nuancing. Are we to remove underground pipelines/power lines? Or boundaries? Visible and/or verifiable might be better. A rule that needs loads of exceptions, is not a well formed rule. An abandoned

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

On 2015-08-15 13:15, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: So who decides what is good data and what is bad data? The community as a whole decides what is good and bad data. That starts with the local community and moves up

Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

I meant it a bit rhetorically... Let's live and let live, instead of deleting stuff that *we* don't happen to be interested in. Which brings us back to Russ's original point. On 2015-08-15 14:08, Lester Caine wrote: On 15/08/15 12:55, Colin Smale wrote: Good question. We assume

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Am I mapping this wrong, or should the router be fixed for this?

to simplify the real-time calculations), so they use heuristics which work most often. So how would you define the concept of typical speed? --colin On 30 July 2015 20:38:32 CEST, Richard ricoz@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:00:55PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: Practical maxspeed

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