Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-03-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Steve Coast wrote: Ok I think it's shameful how bad the mapping was there so I added a bunch of trees, car parks, the park, some buildings... Let's see how good we can make Lockport, NY ? Wait... user alexrudd is Steve Coast? -- View this message in context:

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

2011-03-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/28/2011 12:28 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: In southern California, in my experience, people do not use exit numbers when giving directions - they use what we would call the name of the exit, which is usually the name of the street on which the offramp terminates*. One reason is that exit numbering

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

2011-03-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/28/2011 5:00 PM, Andrew Cleveland wrote: Just a nitpick: For exit numbers that consist of both a number and a letter, should we insert a space? For example 20A vs. 20 A. The MUTCD ( http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2e.htm#section2E31 ) says Suffix letters shall be used for exit

Re: [Talk-us] Cool ITO World US and Canada coverage

2011-03-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/26/2011 7:51 AM, Mike N wrote: The better the visualizers and consumers, the more maxspeeds will get entered. You could almost needed a stopwatch to measure the delay between Mapquest rendering tollways as green and the completion of toll road markings in the US. Well that was mainly me

Re: [Talk-us] Cool ITO World US and Canada coverage

2011-03-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/26/2011 11:37 AM, Richard Welty wrote: a helpful visualizer for the US would be one that flags speeds w/o a units tag (kph default). the mph option was added to the wiki in recent memory, and i for one tagged a lot of US roads with kph values before i became aware of the update to the

[Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state borders to exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the borders are defined; instead they are based on work that the 19th century surveyors did with the tools they had. Two obvious examples follow:

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 3:56 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705298412/Four-Corners-marker-212-miles-off-Too-late.html Note the correction to this article: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705299160/Four-Corners-Monument-is-indeed-off-mark.html I was a little hasty

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 4:17 AM, Toby Murray wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: User ToeBee has, in several changesets in February, aligned state borders to exact lat/long. The problem is that this is not how the borders are defined; instead they are based

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 4:44 AM, Paul Norman wrote: The first of your examples ('015 node) appears to be more accurate than the node it replaced in one of the ways, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/263660932 which was farther away from the monument (based on NAIP imagery) In the second one ('476

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 5:43 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Thank you for the apology. I don't think that revert is going to happen though. Even if I agreed that this was the solution, it would be a nightmare. I did a lot of boundary work in that changeset involving splitting circular county border ways, creating

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating boundary relations to fix the duplicated county/state boundaries. I would say it's more important to have the border in the right place (at least such that all roads in one state are on the

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by ToeBee needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 8:37 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/25/2011 7:49 AM, Ian Dees wrote: I would say that a better use of our time would be in creating boundary relations to fix

Re: [Talk-us] border screwup by Techlady needs reverting

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/25/2011 12:28 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Yep, it is off by a couple hundred meters in some places. When I get home tonight I will download the latest Census shapefile and align the Colorado border to it by hand. A brief check shows that this data does have the border going through the monuments

[Talk-us] semi-apology Re: Screw-up of borders

2011-03-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I'd like to apologize for specifically naming ToeBee and Techlady in subject lines, and any connotation that may have been attached to screwup. The former was my error at reading the tea leaves of node histories, and the latter was Techlady's error but perhaps my overreaction. If this sounds

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Frederik Ramm wrote: Assuming that Nearmap-derived data is indeed not compatible with the future OSM license, I fail to understand how contributing data that will later be deleted is a quot;privilegequot;. (a) the license change is not a certainty (b) the OSM instance run by OSMF is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Remember when Anthony's edits were reverted a few months ago? Well, Tampa is still screwy (examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.13332lon=-82.502659zoom=18layers=M http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.0467lon=-82.5069zoom=13layers=Mrelation=371155 - the latter shows how easy it is for

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed cleanup: NHD rivers

2011-03-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/20/2011 8:13 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 3/20/11 7:50 PM, Paul Norman wrote: 3 is about making the rivers into single ways, more like a mapper would do by hand. I'm not really set on this step and if done it would be after steps 1 and 2 have been done everywhere. Looking at nhd:com_id it

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed cleanup: NHD rivers

2011-03-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/20/2011 9:12 PM, Richard Welty wrote: if combining them meaningfully improves the map, by all means do it. Or improves editing. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate exit junction exit_to tag

2011-03-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/8/2011 8:03 AM, Mike N wrote: The Motorway Junction tag at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Motorway_junction has recently had the exit_to tag added. Old interstate tagging advice at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway was to put exit sign destinations in the name tag.

Re: [OSM-talk] Named passages on hiking paths

2011-03-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Gilles Bassière wrote: When hiking, I often encounter short technical passages which have a name painted on the rock. In French, the name almost always begin with Pas de ... but I'm not sure if there is a good translation for pas in English [1]. Such portions of the path often consist in

Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls

2011-03-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Diego Woitasen wrote: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of the toll is different and

[Talk-us] Mapquest rendering issue

2011-03-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://open.mapquest.com/link/10-YfsRKQZk I figured someone higher-up would have noticed and fixed this by now. There's a roughly drawn boundary outside which the US rendering rules don't apply. This boundary sometimes crosses into the US. Is this boundary even necessary? What's wrong with

Re: [Talk-us] Trimet, Portland, Oregon updates

2011-03-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/9/2011 5:27 PM, PJ Houser wrote: 1) We are editing incorrect trails and adding missing trails from RLIS (Metro, Oregon) and CCGIS (Clark County, Washington). We'd like to tag handicap accessibility of the trails we edit or add in. What tag would OSM mappers prefer? We were thinking

Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Last time I read a discussion about bicycles on interstates the only known spot where they were allowed in the US was some few miles on one rural interstate highway (where there was if I recall right no other alternative route for many miles). For trunk roads

Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/7/2011 9:51 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/7 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: the wiki states for the USA http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway motorway = Limited access freeway with interchanges. In my reading every highway which is not limited

Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
ant-2 wrote: One more thing... it seems that turn restrictions are regarded--although they generally don't apply to cyclists (in most countries I guess). Please fix this. If a turn restriction does not apply to cyclists, there's a way to tag that. In the US, bikes are vehicles and are

Re: [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/6/2011 2:30 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 03/05/2011 08:01 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 3/5/2011 7:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: For the route selected at http://open.mapquest.com/link/10-TSgZnD38 based on data I know OSM knows about Tulsa, I would be more inclined to see a route more like

Re: [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/5/2011 7:45 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Something that would be nice but isn't as critical is to pick up on bicycle=preferred/avoid cues for ways that have been observed by mappers to be ideal/scary to use by bicycle. Please don't do this, as mappers may have completely opposite ideas of what

Re: [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites

2011-03-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/5/2011 7:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: For the route selected at http://open.mapquest.com/link/10-TSgZnD38 based on data I know OSM knows about Tulsa, I would be more inclined to see a route more like http://open.mapquest.com/link/9-Fc1vHAi7 but with a more direct route taking the

Re: [Talk-us] USPS Address Database

2011-03-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
What we really need is a way to tag a grid (in those places that use one). That way we can give an approximate location (and hopefully the correct side of the street) if we lack an exact location. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/24/2011 8:18 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: On the other hand, some apparently non-local user has messed up tagging of Route 2 near Boston/Cambridge (from alewife to the science museum) and made them trunk when they obviously aren't (to anyone who has been on them - no limited access, constant

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/24/2011 12:14 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com writes: On 2/24/2011 8:18 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: On the other hand, some apparently non-local user has messed up tagging of Route 2 near Boston/Cambridge (from alewife to the science museum) and made them trunk

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/24/2011 6:44 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: These two are probably the best known of such roads, but there are others. --In the 1920s, the Lincoln Highway was established across the United States to promote auto travel (it seems to have succeeded). Portions were financed by oil companies. The

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/24/2011 7:40 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: I wonder if we are making a distinction that's not important. I think it is much more important to identify historical or scenic routes clearly than to highlight the distinction of being constructed just for sightseeing. I agree (at least for special

Re: [Talk-us] place=city name=Tri-Cities

2011-02-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/24/2011 8:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Until you're actually in the Tri-Cities area, it's rare to see official signage actually point out any of the three cities involved independently, Have signs changed recently? On the photos on http://www.interstate-guide.com/i-082.html I see Kennewick

[Talk-us] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-23 Thread Nathan Edgars II
In the US there are two long federally-maintained roads, the Blue Ridge Parkway and Natchez Trace Parkway, that were built for the sole purpose of sightseeing. Since they are surrounded by a narrow strip of parkland, access is only allowed at certain points, so they are technically expressways

Re: [Talk-us] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-23 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/23/2011 9:46 PM, Ian Dees wrote: They should be part of a route relation. Buh...? I'm asking what highway=* value they should have. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: In the US there are two long federally

Re: [Talk-us] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-23 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/23/2011 10:10 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/23/2011 9:46 PM, Ian Dees wrote: They should be part of a route relation. Buh...? I'm asking what highway=* value they should have

[Talk-us] place=city name=Tri-Cities

2011-02-23 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/876536239 There's no city named Tri-Cities; this is the name of the metropolitan area that comprises Pasco, Kennewick, and Richland. I assume there's no defensible reason to keep it tagged as such, but what should be done about it?

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Peter Budny wrote: I really don't mind whether it's route relations or ref tags. The problem is that NEITHER is finished. To get to my house, I have to get on State Route 1966, then 1267. Neither of these are marked as such on the map, and I'm certainly not going to do it by hand when I

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 78, Issue 79

2011-02-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Hillsman, Edward wrote: But I'm starting to regret mentioning crime in my earlier post. The point I was trying to make focused on the physical environment, and the fact that a lot of suburbia in the US is not conducive to walking. In addition, its design and heavy levels of car traffic

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Tordanik wrote: The best way to achieve this, IMO, is to only execute mass edits and imports in collaboration with a local community. This makes sure that there is a sufficiently developed community of mappers on the ground, allows them to evaluate the data's quality beforehand, and makes

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Felix Hartmann-2 wrote: Most important things for OSM are good aerial photos coupled with large community. Worst are imports. The United States are so bad, I don't think OSM will ever become important there. The biggest thing to remember is that creating something is much more fun than

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/20/2011 6:58 PM, David Murn wrote: On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 15:35 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I find tracing endless residential subdivisions from aerials to be a chore and no fun. I know many who disagree, fortunately. Last year I was laid up in bed for around 3 months after surgery

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Richard Weait wrote: Mike N, you must have missed the first x-years of the project. Neither aerial imagery, nor imports were available. ;-) Of course, renderers were missing too. Not only subdivisions, but cities, lakes and oceans were missing. I took a look at the project some years

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Andrew Errington-2 wrote: Anyway, I like the idea of using imports as a 'scaffold' for building real objects. Imported data could sit on a separate layer, much like GPS traces, then a mapper can either trace over the imported shapes, or select an imported object and 'promote' it to

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Daniel Sabo wrote: I would think (or at least hope) that this kind of bad import would be less of an issue if the revert tools were not so arcane. My previous attempts are reverting stuff have always ended up with manual XML fiddling to get the desired results. I don't know how recent it

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Richard Fairhurst wrote: This is getting crazy. Exhibit 1: http://twitter.com/#!/maproomblog/status/39053538692698112 Whoever imported CanVec in Aylmer, Quebec obliterated hours of work and introduced hundreds of errors. #osm #openstreetmap #whybother I wonder how many complaints

Re: [Talk-us] NHD Hydro Connectors

2011-02-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/18/2011 7:45 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Dale Puchdale.p...@gmail.com wrote: That said, for now using oneway is better than not tagging flow direction. I disagree. Water flow direction is recorded by the direction of the way, same as steps up direction is

Re: [Talk-us] NHD Hydro Connectors

2011-02-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/18/2011 8:22 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: I never knew that about steps, and have thus mapped roughly half the number of steps I've added incorrectly. In addition, for waterways, there's no way to say I don't know what

Re: [Talk-us] Sevier Lake Anomaly

2011-02-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/16/2011 10:13 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: What I'm asking about is this anomaly in the area of Sevier Lake: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.0035lon=-113.0895zoom=14layers=C;. What is up with this sudden change in terrain? Most likely the quality or method of creation of the data in

Re: [OSM-talk] Analyse a changeset

2011-02-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Rodolphe Quiedeville-2 wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/6938764 Now I'm looking for a tool to analyse this changeset to see if there's only deletion on it. If the changeset is compose of 100% deletion I'll look to do a revert on it. You should be able to use JOSM's

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Jacek Konieczny wrote: layer=-1 tells only that the thing is under layer=0 and over layer=-2, nothing in relation to 'ground level' (some rivers or roads may have layer=-1 or layer=1 on most of its length). No, ground level is layer 0. A nonzero layer on a ground-level feature is an

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/15/2011 5:38 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/15 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: Jacek Konieczny wrote: layer=-1 tells only that the thing is under layer=0 and over layer=-2, nothing in relation to 'ground level' (some rivers or roads may have layer=-1 or layer=1 on most of its

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/15/2011 7:52 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/16 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: -1, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Layer http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer our wiki is becoming something like the bible: you can find a page for every opinion ;-) I don't have a

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
David Murn wrote: Well, the page seems to contradict itself, suggesting that a tunnel under a building is layer=0. Depends if the tunnel goes underground or just through a building while remaining at ground level (though the latter case might be better described as covered). David Murn

Re: [Talk-us] Parking lot not rendering

2011-02-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/12/2011 12:47 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: I'm having a problem with the Mapnik rendering of this area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.176495lon=-111.948208zoom=18;. In the retail area northwest of 48th Street and Harrison Blvd (UT-203) I have entered parking lots. However, they are not

Re: [Talk-us] Parking lot not rendering

2011-02-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/12/2011 2:01 PM, Val Kartchner wrote: That was it. I split the parking lot at the boundary of the land use, and it now renders correctly. I'll have to keep this in mind when I'm drawing parking. I figured that since there was very little separation between parking lots that it should

Re: [Talk-us] Parking lot not rendering

2011-02-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/12/2011 3:19 PM, Lennard wrote: On 12-2-2011 20:10, Nathan Edgars II wrote: (By the way, the commercial parking to the north still goes slightly into the retail area. Maybe Mapnik calculates the area and draws from biggest to smallest?) Yes, it does, in this case, render from largest

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary rendering bug

2011-02-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Toby Murray-2 wrote: It strikes me as odd that a tag on a member way affects the rendering of a relation in this way. Am I missing something? The same thing happens when a highway=* railway=abandoned way is part of a railway=abandoned relation. Remove the railway=abandoned from the way and

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/5/2011 10:44 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/04/2011 01:42 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/3/2011 11:15 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: underlying ways often have refs that belong to them (like bridge numbers) but not the route itself. You've said this a number of times without explanation. Why

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/6/2011 2:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/06/2011 05:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: What does this have to do with anything? USDOT is working hard to make all federal highways bicycle accessible. These routes are national in nature and often share with the motorway where bicycles

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes

2011-02-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/5/2011 12:36 PM, stevea wrote: Take a look at Santa Cruz County, California with OSM Cycle Map layer (see the text in the last paragraph at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Santa_Cruz_County,_California#Work_to_be_done_in_the_County). We tag highways (AGAIN: additionally tag the WAY

[Talk-us] A particularly bad case of dupe node elimination

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/357366507/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/158642035/history ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/3/2011 3:25 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Hi all, I have some basic questions: 1) Why are relations preferred for bike routes? If there's a continuous route from point A to point B, it's easier to keep track of it as a relation. If there's just a signed network using bike route signs, there's no

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/3/2011 6:37 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I know that, using relations, a particular way can be part of several different routes. Is this also true if the ways are used directly, instead of through a relation? Yes, using semicolons: lcn_ref=1;8

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/3/2011 11:15 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: underlying ways often have refs that belong to them (like bridge numbers) but not the route itself. You've said this a number of times without explanation. Why does the bridge number, or ODOT's internal referencing, belong to the way, while the route

Re: [Talk-us] Relations, cycle routes, shapefiles

2011-02-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/3/2011 11:20 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: If it's a bicycle boulevard, it should have it's own LCN relation (even if it does have one member), as it would also qualify as a route. And the way will probably be split up many times over it's existence as turn restrictions get added, ways get split

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Anthony-6 wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Yes, if you try and use Potlatch to show several thousand objects you are certifiably insane. If you want to work in a JOSM-like manner, use JOSM! Good points. I think that's a big part of

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
colliar-3 wrote: Am 25.01.2011 02:44, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: One issue I have is this: I often import selected ways (such as railways) in an area from xapi and then edit them, adding new ones and deleting bad ones. (On upload if I deleted something that's referenced by a non

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER edited map updated with Toby's suggestion

2011-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/24/2011 8:54 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2011-01-24 16:55, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I'd suggest tiger:reviewed=no which is kind of what the tag was for. ...except that some (many?) people don't know (or don't care) to remove the tag after they edit/confirm the feature. There are many

[OSM-talk] Bad changeset comment

2011-01-23 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/7057167 This should have been railways; apparently JOSM got confused with another changeset of mine. It's too late for me to change it, but is it possible for someone with higher permissions to fix it?

Re: [OSM-talk] xapi downage

2011-01-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
It seems to be having the same problem again. Is there a better place to report it than spamming this list? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-us] Creating relations for abandoned railway lines

2011-01-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all. I've been working on adding some abandoned railway lines in my area, and I've been wondering how to group them together. The line I'm working on right now (the former Elgin Belvidere Electric

Re: [Talk-us] Creating relations for abandoned railway lines

2011-01-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 01/10/2011 10:23 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff operator = Elgin Belvidere Electric Co. This should be unabbreviated: Elgin and Belvidere Electric Company

[OSM-talk] xapi downage

2011-01-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Does anyone know when the xapi will be back online? It's been down for several days at least. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] To those who remove dupe nodes

2011-01-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Frederik Ramm wrote: Your original complaint was about people removing *duplicate* nodes though, not people removing fresh, unused nodes. That's another situation; if your upload creates duplicate nodes then your upload is buggy and should be stopped. Not always - an import of TIGER

Re: [OSM-talk] xapi downage

2011-01-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 12:14 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Should be ok now. Seems like someone had been messing with the server ... it somehow had an identity crisis. Hmmm - I'm still getting the same failed to open a connection to the remote server message in JOSM.

Re: [OSM-talk] xapi downage

2011-01-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 9 January 2011 16:19, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know when the xapi will be back online? It's been down for several days at least. 80n is the only person who coded / runs

Re: [OSM-talk] xapi downage

2011-01-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Although policy is that software should be open source, and 80n has recently removed the access to the code we have not as yet done anything to restrict his access to or use of the server. Ah, OK. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: [OSM-talk] xapi downage

2011-01-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The xapi is now back up. Thanks to everyone involved in creating and maintaining this great resource. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
David Murn wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 10:18 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Let those broken routers choke on real-world cases where nodes really are in the same place (double-decker bridge that crosses a state line, for example). I'll continue to map correctly. Just because you

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:25 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 17:17 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: If the name or ref is different on either side of the state line, then it needs to be split in the middle. Thats fine, but does the state line need a node

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Oops - meant to send this to the list. On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:54 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 20:27 -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: That's why I specified a double-decker bridge: each deck gets split at the line. I guess in theory, having a double

Re: [Talk-us] If anyone wants to sort out some damage (Hudson valley, New York)

2011-01-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Just noticed this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/82696560/history Done. I think. Be good to have a local check it. There are still

Re: [Talk-us] If anyone wants to sort out some damage (Hudson valley, New York)

2011-01-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've fixed it, thanks to JOSM's reverter plugin. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

[OSM-talk] How do I get higher-resolution imagery in JOSM?

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Both Yahoo and Bing have nice imagery in the Orlando area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=28.417946lon=-81.491858zoom=20 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2lat=28.417946lon=-81.491858zoom=20 But I cannot get JOSM to load this quality. Is there a trick I'm missing?

Re: [OSM-talk] How do I get higher-resolution imagery in JOSM?

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried bumping up the zoom setting in the imagery plugin preferences? The setting is in tile zoom level. I think by default it only goes up to z18 but I have been able to bump it up to z21 in some areas. Of

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Nic Roets wrote: Mike, please don't blame the bot. It's not the bot. It's the operator that did horrible stuff. And bot-operator-enablers who defended their actions. Nic Roets wrote: Ungluing a node an just leaving it there, is really looking for trouble. Some routing engine(s) glue

[Talk-us] If anyone wants to sort out some damage (Hudson valley, New York)

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Just noticed this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/82696560/history ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] US highway tagging (was Re: highway shields: get your kicks, where?)

2011-01-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: I don't believe I've seen anything other than the die-cut style in CA. Any background would look wrong. You live in the one state that still uses cutout US Highway shields :) See the image near the top of

Re: [Talk-us] Minimum standards for motorways?

2011-01-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 01/03/2011 08:33 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeGUSMssl7kt=0m15s There's not much merging room (no worse than on many Interstates), but it's nowhere near a right angle. I'm familiar

Re: [Talk-us] Minimum standards for motorways?

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On 01/01/2011 09:45 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Yes - Seattle's Alaskan Way Viaduct. It seems like a clear motorway to me, but a local has tagged it as trunk. Alaska has intersections on at least one of it's three decks

Re: [Talk-us] US highway tagging (was Re: highway shields: get your kicks, where?)

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2011-01-02 19:46, Paul Johnson wrote: On 01/01/2011 11:55 AM, Richard Weait wrote: I've been adding more highway shields to the shield renderer. Most recently I've added a shield for Historic Route 66.

Re: [Talk-us] Import for Murray County, OK

2011-01-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: if by 2 lane freeway, you mean a super 2, by convention those are usually trunk in the US. I mean what some roadgeeks call a super 2, which isn't

Re: [Talk-us] Import for Murray County, OK

2011-01-02 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: if by 2 lane freeway, you mean a super 2, by convention those are usually trunk in the US. I mean what some roadgeeks call a super 2, which isn't necessarily the same as what others use that term for. Two-lane freeway

[Talk-us] Minimum standards for motorways?

2011-01-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Question: what do people think about minimum standards for tagging something highway=motorway? In other words, would it be reasonable to tag a highway as trunk rather than motorway because it has no shoulders or a low speed limit (40 mph)? ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Minimum standards for motorways?

2011-01-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Oops - meant to send this to the list. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 1/1/11 5:47 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Question: what do people think about minimum standards for tagging something highway=motorway? In other words, would it be reasonable

Re: [Talk-us] Minimum standards for motorways?

2011-01-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Question: what do people think about minimum standards for tagging something highway=motorway? In other words, would it be reasonable to tag

Re: [Talk-us] Minimum standards for motorways?

2011-01-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: In the US, we seem to have what I'd call Interstate standards. It generally seems like motorway is appropriate for Except half the Interstates don't meet current standards. I don't know of any maps that show Interstate-standard

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