Frederik Ramm writes:
According to this list, 208 accounts have added more than 10k house
numbers - if any one of them has actually surveyed that many houses they
should be awarded a prize! A further ~ 1400 have done between 1k and 10k
numbers, and ~ 4600 have done between 100 and 1k
Serge Wroclawski writes:
Steve suggested we need addresses. He didn't ask for a crazy huge
import.
Well, he kinda did. The TIGER data has addresses. The original import
didn't include them. We *could* triple the size of the data in the USA
by creating address ways alongside the TIGER ways.
Frederik Ramm writes:
I think that is more than a theory. Weren't you the one who proposed to
import some kind of park boundaries, years ago, and implement mechanisms
to make the geometry un-changeable - reasoning that any change being
made by mappers could only be for the worse?
Yes,
Ian Dees writes:
Frederik's point is that you should only map things that other mappers can
verify or improve on. Since you can't verify borders and boundaries or
otherwise make them any better than the government data after they're
imported, they don't belong in OSM.
Anybody can verify
Ian Dees writes:
The moment it makes its way in to OSM it becomes incorrect. There is
*absolutely* no way to improve the data once it's in OSM, so it should not
be in OSM. Period.
That's a great theory, but I don't think many people subscribe to
it. Of course anybody can improve on imported
Frederik Ramm writes:
I've recently started a thread about a future OSMF trademark policy
on the osmf-talk list, here
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2012-December/001947.html
If you're not in the OSMF (and therefore not on osmf-talk), you're of
course
Michal Migurski writes:
Also, what's the deal with the Massachusetts TIGER import?
Massachusetts had already made an improved version of the TIGER data,
so the decision was made to import that instead.
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Michal Migurski writes:
Ah, good to know. Any idea what the approximate date and importing
account were?
MassGIS Import somewhere around 10/13/07.
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Frederik Ramm writes:
My, very personal, answer to this is that OSM is part of a greater
movement of collaborative productivity, where people all over the world
can and do join forces to create something great, something of value.
Okay. Can you see how judicious imports *are* that
Richard Welty writes:
and that's the kind of thing good imports can accomplish. and this
sort of project can build the community too -- i plan to document
what is being done for quality assurance, confidence testing, etc.,
quite thoroughly so that others can have a path to do it where they
Adam Franco writes:
* Has anyone located a good source for state or national road surface data?
It's very likely that this data is only available on a
county-by-county basis. New York State has pushed the counties to put
(at least) their parcel data online, but it's not funded, nor is there
a
Scott Rollins writes:
I'll just say that, whether bug or feature, this message perfectly
encapsulates why I am unwilling to spend my time working on OSM. I don't
want to waste my time, and by not having a good place to learn what to do,
Scott, what Fred said! You don't need to be an expert
Scott Rollins writes:
I'll just say that, whether bug or feature, this message perfectly
encapsulates why I am unwilling to spend my time working on OSM. I don't
want to waste my time, and by not having a good place to learn what to do,
Scott, what Fred said! You don't need to be an expert
Roland Olbricht writes:
In general: the wiki is only descriptive, but often it sounds normative.
It is a good idea to
- use tags or tag keys that have been used quite often
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/
- search the wiki for keywords of the thing to tag
- read the relevant pages
Ian Dees writes:
All actions have consequences. Did importing TIGER hamper the OSM community
building in the US or did poor advocacy? Maybe it was the existing vast,
free data ecosystem? Maybe it was simply the sheer size of the country?
You are asking a question that the opponents of
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Matthias Meißer writes:
as most noted, the Operation cowboy mapathon with focus on the USA
started today!
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Operation_cowboy
Putnam County in New York State needs a lot of love still. Lots of
misaligned roads.
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Frederik Ramm writes:
Please note that any imports have to follow the import guidelines
documented on the wiki (prior discussion on imports@, separate account
and all that). In your concrete case I would be interested to learn how
you deal with already exisiting numbered or un-numbered
Jeff Meyer writes:
Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
quality quickly efficiently?
I've done some research into that. I've done it four ways:
o Took my county's tax maps and converted them into an import. I
left the property lines off because,
Kevin Peat writes:
On 6 November 2012 09:28, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
A public domain street sign does not become automagically a
copyrighted derivative work just because you see it through a
copyrighted photo. And this is true worldwide, not only in some
countries.
Isn't
Janko Mihelić writes:
Yet everybody agrees we shouldn't copy from satellite photos, but many
people think we can copy from Streetview.
What is the difference?
Uh, because Ed Parsons said we could? Why is this so difficult to
understand?
Okay, so there's this legal doctrine called
Jeff Meyer writes:
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Right. So what do you think of the set of rules that I posted a bit ago?
Well... I like mine better. ('natch!) Pursue the truth agreement do
no harm. is a little easier to remember
Arnie Shore writes:
We have the basics working with Leaflet and locally-stored tile sets; a
JS boolean sends the software to pull tiles from OSM. I'm aware of
concerns re the latter, and we'll certainly honor those.
Have you looked at OSMAnd? It's an Android application which uses
Anthony writes:
I agree that DWG has the authority to act, here. But as I understand it,
the authority of DWG comes from OSMF, not from the OSM community.
The DWG is specifically asking if it should have the authority to
act. Please read the beginning message of this thread.
Additionally,
Jeff Meyer writes:
- An overarching code of behavior could be very helpful to empower the less
aggressive mapper. Maybe something simple like: Pursue the truth
agreement do no harm. It gives the oppressed some simple question to ask
the difficult mapper. Each of the segments of the code
Sam Iacullo writes:
This email will be divided into two parts. The first contains specifics
about the email that touched off the discussion about mapper issues, which
I will call COMPLAINT'. If you want to skip this section for my
opinion/commentary about the issue at large, you can scroll
Paul Norman writes:
Does anyone have any thoughts on what should be done in a NHD translation
with these streams?
In a perfect world, we would be able to search by location and by
name, and get back a single .OSM file containing all the waterway=
segments with the same name.
It would be
Martijn van Exel writes:
1) I don't think it is a good idea to come up with a code of conduct
as a response to particular cases.
Hard cases make bad law, yes. But it's not a difficult decision to say
Don't change other people's edits unless you can show that they are
editing in variance to
Parks Trails NY is now using OSM via Leaflet and Mapquest:
http://geoserving.net/ctec/
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Anthony writes:
The key question is, which key was right?
No. Without getting too specific, my key was one of the most
commonly-used keys, while e's key was one e invented. The situation
was:
a=b
e changed it to:
c=b
where e should have done:
a=b
c=b
and left this commonplace a= tagging
Anthony writes:
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Anthony writes:
The key question is, which key was right?
No. Without getting too specific, my key was one of the most
commonly-used keys, while e's key was one e invented.
Without
Richard Weait writes:
I would prefer to discuss this in general, and in the open.
Okay. In general, then, I have said that I believe the proper way to
edit is to not disturb anything that anybody else does[1]. That should
be rule #1, yet DUM[2] (Difficult USA Mapper) seems to feel that e[3]
can
James Mast writes:
If I think I know who this is all about, maybe he should be un-banned from
talk-us so he might be able to defend himself at least? --James
No. This isn't about a person. This is about a style of mapping. If
you think that only one person is capable of defending this style
Greg Troxel writes:
First, there's the notion that the local mappers should have priority in
deciding how things should be tagged. I don't mean that one shouldn't
make non-local edits - I do that after visiting places. But I don't
make edits that I think a local might object to.
Me too.
Martijn van Exel writes:
In general, I would venture to say unedited TIGER can almost certainly
be improved using Bing imagery anywhere in the US.
M, no, there are some counties in NY which were in excellent
condition, and which haven't needed any editing at all.
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Richard Welty writes:
On 10/29/12 10:25 PM, Russ Nelson wrote:
Martijn van Exel writes:
In general, I would venture to say unedited TIGER can almost certainly
be improved using Bing imagery anywhere in the US.
M, no, there are some counties in NY which were in excellent
My only objection to network=US:US:Business / ref=80 is How do you
know it's Business-80 or 80-Business on the signs?
In essence here, we have the tension between free-format tagging and
machine-parsable and understandable tagging. Syntax and semantics. We
*definitely* don't need tagging with
Richard Welty writes:
however, there are vast areas (like most if not all of WV) where
the alignment of TIGER 2005 is really awful, and TIGER 2011/2012 is
a significant improvement. since the latter is available as an
image layer which i know works with JOSM and i understand works
with
Paul Johnson writes:
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
My only objection to network=US:US:Business / ref=80 is How do you
know it's Business-80 or 80-Business on the signs?
Isn't that the argument in favor of network=US:US / ref=80
Richard Welty writes:
On 10/27/12 2:46 PM, Russ Nelson wrote:
If the former, then it matters if it's Business-80 or 80-Business. If
the latter, then as long as we preserve the modifier, then we're good.
at this point, i think i've seen enough to know that what goes on the signs
can
Mike N writes:
For your case, since you are comparing it against existing data and
Bing imagery and possible consultation with Topo maps, it is entirely
appropriate to use NHD data. In effect, because of your interest, you
are the active mapper in the area, even though it is not all
William Morris writes:
Third local mapper chimes in: As weird as the cartography will look (and
I've seen it appear as such on OSM in other U.S. cities), Route 7 through
Burlington has no business being listed as primary. I can hit a maximum of
25mph on the sections between stop signs, and
woll writes:
The New York Times has not amended the article, so it still contains the
statement that:
They've amended it as of 5PM yesterday. It's quite good now, and it
quotes you. Rest easy, my friend.
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woll writes:
The New York Times has not amended the article, so it still contains the
statement that:
The biggest problem with Apple’s map...is that much of its data appears to
be drawn from OpenStreetMap, a Wikipedia-like service that contains a lot of
incorrect and outdated
Jonathan Bennett writes:
It is not the NYT making that statement, but reporting the fact that
someone else made it. Whatever we think of its accuracy, Mapion's
spokesman did actually say that, so the NYT has made no factual error
that needs correcting. At best we could expect a right to
Mike writes:
but there should be some way to give proper attribution to real
persons who contribute to OpenStreetMap.
We have a wiki, I think.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/credits is currently empty, but we
can certainly put in a mapping from real person to OSM username. I
won't be
Pieren writes:
Could you please point out in archives (wiki or mailing list) where
the separate account became generaly agreed ?
It's always been generally agreed upon as far as I know. You could
look at the wiki and see when the text was first edited to suggest a
separate account. I would do
Anybody want to help me map New York State lakes and Ponds? I have a
service which goes through the GNIS listing (complete listing ... not
just the ones imported into OSM), picks the next lake or pond, and
returns a redirect to JOSM's remote control. All it does is position
you to the GNIS
Mike Dupont writes:
I am not threatening here at all.
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:12:02 -0500
Mike Dupont writes:
I am going to post this one last time.
You have permission to re license all my work outside of kosovo and albania.
Please stop sending me so many messages, I am getting 10 a
Robert Scott writes:
Sorry list, that was meant to be a private reply.
/me continues with normal level of incompetence.
Not your fault. http://russnelson.com/rt.html
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Why are you whinging at us rather than at the appropriate committee of
the OSMF? It was their stupid idea in the first place; they should be
dealing with the fallout. Please leave us out of it. If, then, a
warning about cutting-and-pasting needs to occur, it can come from
them.
And to make sure
Toby Murray writes:
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Richard Fairhurst
rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Peter Dobratz wrote:
I'm trying to get a better understanding of the railway=abandoned
tag and see what the community thinks about it.
FWIW there's been a similar discussion on
Worst Fixer writes:
Hello Frederik,
You mean Hallo.
I see.
You mean Ich see.
I would not expect that.
You mean Ich would nicht expect that.
Suddenly, your English becomes better once your trolling becomes
successful and people start to oppose you directly. Odd how that
happens.
OSM
Phil! Gold writes:
I can only speak for myself, but I'm happy that TIGER was imported. I
grumble about its quality problems and quirks all the time, usually while
I'm fixing them, but I think the US is much better off with that import
than it would have been without it.
Me too. I think
Worst Fixer writes:
Persuade people to map just one way, THEN once they're doing that, go
back and get rid of the old way.
Sane people use type= for relation types.
They use water= tag to express whether it is lake, pond, river or
stream. Not how often it flows.
You seem not to
Worst Fixer writes:
Just removed stream=fixme.
Why?
Removed all id-like tags.
Why?
If no valid objections will be raised, I upload this change on 2012-06-12.
Don't.
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Frederik Ramm writes:
2. I don't think you should continue to make mass edits under the
username WorstFixer because that implies that before you fixed
things they were among the worst which has the potential to offend people.
I always thought it meant that he was the worst person to be
Toby Murray writes:
I pointed out this error before the edit was made but apparently
community feedback was not respected before the automated edit was
run...
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-May/063021.html
Okay, Worst Fixer, you said that you wouldn't make the edit
Worst Fixer writes:
I want know why importer uses following tags:
* chicago:building_id (314 330 objects, used by 2 users).
Very likely it's the database number in the source database.
This is Yet Another import from a database being maintained by someone
else. This is why we need a
Philip Barnes writes:
Since updating my TomTom Go 720 to Navcore version 9.4 TTTracklog no
longer works and I could really use some new GPS traces for OSM mapping.
Google doesn't help, beyond confirming I am not the only one. Has anyone
any pointers to getting it working, or to an
Philip Barnes writes:
I can imagine it could be annoying if you are stopped in a tunnel and it
switches off and later logs are then lost.
It sleeps until you start moving again.
Martijn van Exel writes:
I've been eying the Columbuses. Do you know what the difference is between
the V900
kenneth gonsalves writes:
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 16:52 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote:
What do you want to use it for? What's your budget? What features do
you need? Any special requirements?
an NGO is constructing toilets over an area. They need to map the
locations and state of
kenneth gonsalves writes:
hi,
what are recommendations for a handheld reasonably priced gps unit?
I still enjoy my Columbus/Visiontac V-900. It's a GPS data logger
which records georeferenced audio notes. It's quite compact, and the
battery lasts from morning to night (rechargable).
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Nathan Edgars II writes:
It's not as bad as it seems. Imagery is adjusted using an elevation
dataset. Since this data doesn't (and shouldn't) include buildings and
bridges, these appear distorted. You'll also see problems where recent
heavy construction has caused changes in topography.
Martin Koppenhoefer writes:
Am 2. April 2012 12:48 schrieb andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com:
+1 for putting it back in the layer switcher.
+1
+1. I've told people how to find data in OSM so they can share a
reference to it to other people. Currently those instructions are broken.
Pieren writes:
Where is the truth here ? Is the big support and big money the
access of Bing aerial imagery ? Is that all ?
Hey, that's enough for me. I LOVES the Bing aerial imagery. Microsoft
is welcome to take all the credit for helping us that they want to
take.
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Paul Norman writes:
I have been running a nightly coastline generation on my server, using the
latest data from my jxapi server. Tonight I switched it over to filter out
data that WTFE reports as dirty. This is somewhat more aggressive than the
rebuild will be, but the results are
Simon Poole writes:
We've been through this multiple times, but here we go again:
Obviously not enough times, because I hadn't heard of this before. I
was under the impression that when I said that my edits were in the
public domain, everybody believed me. I think other people probably
think
David Groom writes:
more error free. Had I now been a CT decliner I see no legal difference
between the resulting data in this instance and data which If it was
subsequently edited by a decliner, well, that's different.
How would we ever know? They're anonymous. If they want to come
Simon Poole writes:
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_Are_The_Choices.3F
What if someone refuses to choose? What is the policy there? If you
choose not to decide you still have made a choice, and the
implications of that choice are not described.
Stephan Knauss writes:
Users not agreeing or not responding have to be treated the same way,
regardless of their nick known or not.
Non-responsive.
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Paul Norman writes:
It's particularly galling that anonymous users who haven't accepted or
declined are having their copyright respected. If you don't post your
land *with your name and address* in New York State, you cannot
successfully pursue a claim of trespass.
Copyright
David Groom writes:
But all theories of law aside, as a practical matter, if someone
hasn't bothered to decline, they're not going to bother to sue. You
The argument hey, we understand we don't know if we have any right to use
this data, buts lets leave it in and hope no one
Stephan Knauss writes:
... displaying landuse which we typically import from somewhere.
Careful with that we Eugene[1]! Some of us typically enter
landuse[2] from our knowledge of the use of the land.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Careful_with_That_Axe,_Eugene
[2]
Morten Kjeldgaard writes:
The result is that wind turbines are no longer rendered on the mapnik
layer.
That's only because generator:source=wind doesn't cause them to be
rendered. It's a separate problem that the person deleted
power_source=wind without adding generator:source=wind.
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Jaakko Helleranta.com writes:
There was a thread a while ago on GPS loggers but I'd have a slightly
modified question on the same field:
Could someone recommend essentially GPS logger solutions that would be
temporarily installed in vehicles for gathering information for preferrably
Chris Hill writes:
I find this lack of respect for people's work, and for copyright law
rather surprising and out-of-keeping with an Open project. Of course we
cannot just take people's work just because they have not replied to an
email or two.
You can't defend somebody else's
David Earl writes:
It would help to know that email is bouncing.
We should put out a press release stating that if anyone values their
copyright so little that they have not maintained a working email
address, their copyright interest will be transferred to the OSMF
(yes, I realize, creator's
Michael Collinson writes:
anon edits 560?467 (may be too high as some previous anon
Why are we defending the copyright of people who are unwilling to fill
in the question mark in their copyright declaration:
Copyright 200X,?. The U.S. courts won't defend your copyright if
you
Richard Weait writes:
That's a tricky case. They've explicitly declined using the license
terms on the site, but also made a PD declaration somewhere else.
Not tricky. A judge will require that you believe yourself in such
matters, so if you say Do what you want, and then try to sue, you
Martin Koppenhoefer writes:
In my perception legal-talk is not meant to be a ghetto but it is an
attempt to sort things thematically to keep talk readable
I just want to edit, and I want to know that I'm protected from some
random deleting my edits just because they don't like somebody who
Frederik Ramm writes:
I am amazed at the constant disregard of legal-talk, a list that was
created *precisely* for license questions.
These questions have nothing to do with the law, and everything to do
with how the community edits.
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Nathan Edgars II writes:
On 1/15/2012 3:00 PM, Russ Nelson wrote:
Frederik Ramm writes:
I am amazed at the constant disregard of legal-talk, a list that was
created *precisely* for license questions.
These questions have nothing to do with the law, and everything to do
mick writes:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:40:13 -0500
Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
So in this particular context, as long as there is still evidence of
the Roman road, even if the road no longer exists as a right-of-way,
it makes sense to add it to OSM.
Much Of what I am
Lester Caine writes:
yet there seems to be no way to create secondary databases of
information which can be used in parallel but separately hosted.
Yes, we need *more* OpenStreetMaps from which you can fetch different
types of information. For example, any data which is externally
maintained
Felix Hartmann writes:
The thing is - historic data that doesn't exist anymore is inappropriate
because it is confusing for anyone contributing to OSM.
Yes and no. When you have buildings laid out in a rectangular grid,
but there are triangular bits cut out of them, that begs for an
http://mike.teczno.com/img/osm-homepage-sketch.jpg
How many of these have we seen? Maybe we need to just make these pages
live, and change the default page to simply:
We're testing various front pages. Please check them out, and keep
visiting the one you like (feel free to bookmark it and
Michal Migurski writes:
Where's a larger version of Steve's? I seem to remember this from a long
time ago.
This page works, with cookies now:
http://wifi.jfdi.org
I don't have a way to unset the cookie, so once you click save, you've
decided.
they have to be built, which means effort
Frederik Ramm writes:
For me, the idea of a user friendly map portal (with a nice brand name
and matching apps, with maps, routing, geocoding, aerial imagery,
streetview imagery and all) is not a *bad* idea, and if someone made
such a portal they should certainly be encouraged to use
Frederik Ramm writes:
In this case however, there's a sequence of about 20 nodes that was
created by the initial user and even though these may all have been
individually moved and therefore the individual nodes are considered
clean, the fact that these 20 nodes in this sequence form a
Frederik Ramm writes:
* treat untagged nodes as clean if moved by an agreeing mapper
* treat any tags contributed by a non-agreeing mapper as harmless if
these tags are not present any more in the current version
* treat any nodes added to a way by a non-agreeing mapper as harmless
Mike Dupont writes:
I am going to post this one last time.
You have permission to re license all my work outside of kosovo and albania.
Please stop sending me so many messages, I am getting 10 a day. I have
created a new user that accepted the license terms, but my old user I
will not.
Tobias Knerr writes:
For people who are primarily motivated by applications they can use
today, rather than the potential for future applications, we're just not
that attractive - at least as far as mainstream applications are
concerned.
OSMAnd. Offline vector maps. Google Maps can't
Nathan Edgars II writes:
I've read through many discussions, and the only reasons I've seen for
changing the license ASAP are based on the fear of someone ripping off
our work and our being powerless to do anything.
That is my understanding as well. I've been against relicensing from
the
Serge Wroclawski writes:
It seems every six months or so, a new set of license troll
discussions come up.
I wasn't trolling. You are. Stop it.
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Nathan Edgars II writes:
I have done many edits of this sort over the years. It has been standard
practice for a long time. Any tainting has already happened.
I agee with Nathan. I do this all the time. Mostly it's to GNIS POIs,
but the principle remains: some tainting of information cannot
Jo writes:
Did you see this presentation from SOTM 2011 in Denver?
http://fosslc.org/drupal/content/building-efficient-map-apps-using-osm-vector-source-data
That looks like an awesome application. What I don't understand completely,
if it actually exists as an application, or whether
Parveen Arora writes:
One more thing about all third party applications is that their tile
rendering is blocked at higher zoom levels that's why i want osm's own
application without using any third party.
I understand your desire to have an official application. If you'll
notice, though,
Taru Ani writes:
I am sure this has already been discussed, but I couldn't find definitive
reference to it on the forums: USGS topo maps are in the public domain (
http://www.usgs.gov/laws/info_policies.html), but must give credit to the
USGS. Does this mean that we can use information on
Ian writes:
we are here to create map *data* for the world. The slippy map
sitting at openstreetmap.org is a tool to achieve that goal, not
the end goal itself.
Here, here!
Maybe, towards that end, we should remove the slippy map from the
front page, and instead have a list of pointers to
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