Re: [OSM-talk] Tag voting/rendering process (was Re: no rendering of amenity=veterinary)

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I would have said it's something like to establish that the tag is part of the official OSM tag set or something. And once established, it should be rendered (or explicitly not rendered, if inappropriate) by the

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.comwrote: You currently have this chicken-and-egg situation where you don't know if it's worth using a tag because you don't know if it will ever be implemented. But now you're just mapping for the renderer. Not by the usual

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.comwrote: The first case is just garbage in the database - not nice but doesn't really hurt. But how do you know that it will never get rendered? Obviously you'd only know retrospectively. But when I say that unrendered tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Can someone suggest a OSM/nearmap-based route-plotting tool

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: Most Garmins are limited to 500 points in a saved track. Though this is usually plenty, unless it is a rather long journey. The newer ones, including mine, are 2000 I think. You could turn off autorouting. ie set it

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.comwrote: The most important thing, imho, is that different people who set out to tag the same thing do it the same way. +1 Which is why keep right! OSM Doc, tagstat, tagwatch, et al. are all so important. Yes, but they

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.orgwrote: On Monday 11 Jan 2010 6:03:49 am Steve Bennett wrote: For example, in this case, imagine that lots of people are using amenity=vet or service=veterinarian or something, which never gets supported. That's wasted

Re: [OSM-talk] no rendering of amenity=veterinary

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
Same thing as a Tuk-Tuk (Thailand) or a moto-remorque (Cambodia)? If not the same, close enough to be worth rendering the same? We also have tags for vegetarian/non-vegetarian - also useless outside India. Hardly! So these things render on our server - but not on the official osm server.

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Then we would have confusion around whether a picture on the ground counts as a sign or not :) My dictionary says that designated (in this sense) means denoted, marked or pointed out, which I'd say a sign or marking on

Re: [talk-au] greenery between roads etc

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.comwrote: What are people doing for the green areas that are between 'other things', e.g in the middle of large roundabouts, between didvided roads with significant space. I can see this as a two part thing - mapping the

Re: [talk-au] Download a route

2010-01-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I think he's talking more about things like tourist trails, ie preset routes, and usually not the shortest way. Or bus routes, or similar things. There's a tourist route near me I keep meaning to go see if I can find

[OSM-talk] Can someone suggest a OSM/nearmap-based route-plotting tool

2010-01-07 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, I want to plot a route tonight to load in GPX format onto my GPSR. Normally I'd have done this using Google-based stuff (like bikely.com), but I can honestly say the OSM data is a lot better, and the nearmap imagery a lot more recent. I just can't think of a way to do this - can someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Can someone suggest a OSM/nearmap-based route-plotting tool

2010-01-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Just done this myself, but only for a very short route. 1) Use JOSM 2) Download the map data for area of interest 3) Create a new layer 4) Draw route on new layer using downloaded layer as guide. 5) Export

Re: [talk-au] Multi-value tags

2010-01-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:38 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: In the route relation therefore, I believe it should be tagged as route=horse. At the moment, I've temporarily tagged it as route=hiking to get it rendering on http://osm.lonvia.de/world_hiking.html while I experiment

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If not, the first step in avoiding such a lawsuit would be to reincorporate in another state with sane laws. FFS. Sane laws? Think a little before you post, please. Steve ___ talk

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: You're right, Steve, there is no way to prove it. What we need to be sure of is that our own actions are ethical, and in the spirit of OSM. I *do*use a street directory, along with some online sources, to verify street

[talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
I've created an entry on the default access restrictions wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Australia Now we can debate each line: === Motorway=== I left this as default. In Australia, some freeways allow bikes and farm machinery, some don't.

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:17 AM, James Andrewartha tr...@student.uwa.edu.auwrote: ===Bridleway=== I would have said we don't have these, except I think I found one on the outskirts of the eastern suburbs of Melbourne. With the tiny bit of traffic they must receive, I can't imagine that

Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: This was my basic understanding as well, which is why I get confused when I see people talking about marking paths with stuff like bicycle=designated and foot=designated. They can't both have right of way. Are you

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
Just a thought - I haven't thought this through - could relation be used to form a close relationship between a road and a track? Create a highway, create a track, then link both with a relation. You could even have a role for the track like left_cycleway or something. An approach like this might

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested some time ago to use a new general key for such things (when it's not really an amenity, a shop or a leisure like for lawyers, architects, designers, etc) : office=notary Yeah, I agree amenity is overused. Also

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: So if all you need is street names,use whatever published source you wish. Just make sure that you only get street names. And whatever you do, don't advertise it, or discuss it in forums. There are always some smart-arse

Re: [talk-au] How do I tag a road that's also a major walking trail?

2010-01-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:50 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I'm wanting to reopen this discussion. The context is long-distance walking tracks, and avoiding duplication of the relations covering them (as bits and pieces get added in different geographical areas). I've found a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How so? If it's such a big financial burden, and isn't providing any benefit to whoever is incurring the financial burden, then that's even more the reason to take it off the main map. OCM is providing plenty of benefit to plenty

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: But I'd also like there to be an open, straight Mapnik (ie no contour overlay and no neat transparent route overlays) cycle-oriented map, to be improved by the crowd. (Ditto a public transport map). I

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: And I fail to see how carrying out a pilgrimage to the street in question changes anything. It certainly builds confidence that the names you're entering are correct. A couple of people have tried to sneak this argument in.

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Dale hang...@fastmail.fm wrote: How do we distinguish between National Parks, State Parks, State Forests and the like? Have started adding forest areas from the landsat imagery and have been attributing as natural=wood, but I haven't found anything that would

Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
Maybe tourism=attraction and shop=alcohol. Sounds like a more specific tag would be useful though, as you could definitely imagine a grape icon or something being rendered. Maybe propose tourism=winery somewhere. And tourism=brewery while at it. Steve On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Ian Callahan

Re: [talk-au] Relations, road names and numbers

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: The question is, should we move highway= onto the relation for all relations? There's probably a fix for Mapnik to save editing every relation we've done, so I've added a ticket to OSM.

Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: There are no industrial type tags at all - obviously no blue collar types in OSM More likely no use cases: can you really imagine driving along and thinking you know, I really need a place that manufactures large copper pipes right

Re: [talk-au] How to tag winery cellar doors.

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:12 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I could well imagine a truck driver being sent to pick up materials from an industrial area and needing suitable maps. While the 'nearest steelworks' idea wouldnt really happen, I think a truck driver would make use of

Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.comwrote: I believe the Australian guidelines have been derived from international guidelines. The natural= and landuse= tags are confusing on the wiki as they switch between land use and land cover (as defined above). It

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:47 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I've printed some business cards with the OSM logo, URL, and a bit of text - to give to people who wonder what I'm doing. I don't even put my name on them. Heh, I should do that. I haven't been questioned yet, but have

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:02 PM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: No, I realised that fully was a mistake after I sent that. What I should have said is that OSM POIs all come up under Points of Interest in the same way as the ones in the Garmin maps do. Yeah, I'm impressed how well that

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/2 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk Provided that this does not result in REMOVING ways that are mapped - or prevent adding the REAL fine detail of ways that do not actually physically form part of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: That would be using a map as an item in a to-do list. It would look ugly to me and I doubt that many people would support that use. Better keep the todo list separate - in another layer if you want it represented

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: There is no point endangering the genuinely collected data for the sake of some lazy copying. This is not fairly worded. In Australia

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: From this and several earlier discussions I get the impression that the group of Australians currently so active on the mailing list isn't lazy but they are certainly impatient. Yes, perhaps :) Probably the big difference

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
I'd like to thank Andy for his very useful input into this discussion. Although I don't think I've posted in this thread, I did have some of the misconceptions he referred to. It would probably be worth documenting some of this stuff - a simple why is it called OpenCycleMap, for instance. And

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Happy New Year OSMers! Have created a page listing all the Victorian routes (M, A, B C roads) -

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I'm unclear about some issues concerning copyright. I'd like to put up a couple of scenarios and get opinions. Let's say that many roads in a town are mapped but unnamed in OSM. And street signs are missing. I go to

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO they justify an extra way, as there is clearly a physical separation and two separate areas of bitumen. (Go ahead and add a whole extra node + way - HDD storage is cheap! :P) HDD storage is the least of my

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.comwrote: While on this topic. Blue Mountains City Council have posted this document. It's not the best but a start, can it be copied as it lacks an copyright information that I can find? Select the first result, couldn't

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I notice you haven't made any changes to the page yet - what have(n't) you been doing :D I'm at work! In other news, yesterday I injured myself mapping this area: http://osm.org/go/ug...@ou - on Lactic Acid.

Re: [talk-au] Copyright questions

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:51 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: One route I'm thinking about is the Bicentennial National Trail. http://www.nationaltrail.com.au/ Many signs have disappeared. But some of is mapped in google (where it's given as the road name):

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:14 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: and always takes the speed up to the next step for a simulation. So if maxspeed=50 or maxspeed=60, then 70 km/h is simulated. 70 and 80 get simulated as 90, and so on. Bizarre. Any idea why? Steve

[OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-02 Thread Steve Bennett
Traditionally, mapping streets in OSM has relied on physically visiting the streets to get a GPS trace, and noting the names of streets while you're at it. But now with the advent of high quality aerial photography that we can trace from (I'm thinking of nearmap, in australia), you don't have to

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: You still need to go and visit the streets. With the London mapping parties last year after most of London was traced from the Yahoo imagery, what was found was: * Many places the imagery was out of date, and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?

2010-01-02 Thread Steve Bennett
they could use that to claim, other than that we copied *that street*. So we delete it, where's the harm? On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: But if I was going to be doing ground surveys, there are lots of places I'd rather visit than these new outer

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: But I'd still agree with Shaun - a single GPS trace is not really accurate enough for adding ways to OSM IMO. Hmmm...is there consensus on this view? My approach so far has been any information that is approximately

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Many of the residential 'dead ends' in Giralang are terminated by neat little blobs that render sort of like the turning radius at the ends of these streets. This is not uniform practice across the ACT. On inspection,

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: ok - will give it a go. my mental image of a turning circle may have been more like a round about... You may have been thinking of traffic circle, the US term for a roundabout. Canberra must have more of these things than

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com wrote: This document implies UNICEF doesn't even know OSM exists, which is just as worring as them funding Google's map making Well, has anyone from OSM spoken to them? Is there any kind of outreach program? Steve

[OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
I've got a trace from today which is significantly out of sync with a path I traced from Nearmap: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-37.880138lon=145.193417zoom=19gpx=594988 The trace looks like I was wandering through the grassy paddock, but I was actually following exactly that northern

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I don't why he feels the need to do this, it seems a pointless task, but why do you think it reduces accuracy to remove trailing zeros? 2m =2.0m It reduces *indication of accuracy*. There's a difference between I

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: It is very common for GPSs to give errors for whatever reason. Interference is very common from things like buildings. Newer units are less likely to have an issue. You simply need to go along that track again a

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: The accuracy shown on your GPS unit is not necessary the actual accuracy, but just a calculated accuracy depending on the signals your unit is receiving. You can experience athmospheric disturbance, plasma-effects,

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Claus Hindsgaul claus.hindsg...@gmail.comwrote: The outcome of the discussion was by default to represent bicycle tracks/lanes with cycleway=track/lane tags in the accompagning road instead of separate cycleway=highway. The following expressed exceptions were

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Thanks for the comments, everyone. In all my playing with nearmap, I have little reason to doubt their accuracy. There are a couple of little seams here and there, but nothing more than a couple of metres. Giving the way this trace here meanders all over the place, I'm pretty confident that the

Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: By contrast, in my suburb of Ruse, NSW (not far from Harrington Park - look it up) there is a major road (Junction Road) through the middle of it, rendered as tertiary, and always coloured yellow in street directories.

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: As long as they are tagged properly it's up to the render style sheet as to what renders. Perhaps you could add this comment to your signature and avoid the spam? No offence, but you really don't need to repeat

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: You asked a question, I replied if you don't like the answer that's your problem, No, if you constantly repeat yourself on a mailing list, it's *everybody*'s problem. Everyone here understands that renderers can filter

Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I know Bendigo has an 'alcohol free zone' which would be useful to capture. Initial thoughts are that it is best represented as a relation, made up of the ways (roads etc) that form the outer boundary. Just

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Ok, John, I'm adding you to my killfile. I'm not getting anything out of corresponding with you other than frustration, and I'm finding your messages consist mostly of unhelpful stubborn posturing, and too little useful content. I'm sure our bickering is only pissing everyone else off as well.

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2009-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: But it is documented in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway since a while and is about 100 times in osmdoc. The problem with cycleway=lane is that the wiki never says clearly if it is for both sides and both

[OSM-talk] How to manage GPX files?

2009-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
What software do people use to manage their GPX files? Mainly I want to be able to upload sections of GPX – rather than the whole thing – to Potlatch. And it might be nice to be able to combine a couple of traces into one long trace. Thanks, Steve ___

Re: [OSM-talk] How to manage GPX files?

2009-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:45 AM, David Carmean d...@halibut.com wrote: What I still like about ExpertGPS is the ease of editing GPX tracks, and I also use it to download the waypoints directly from my eTrex Vista hcx. Easy to trim the traces, and more importantly, easy to simplify them down

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch not displaying bridges

2009-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Is this just me or widespread? When editing in Potlatch any bridges that I, or others, have tagged in the last 3-4 weeks don't display with the heavier black border lines. Any that were tagged before display fine. All

Re: [talk-au] Cycle path under railway

2009-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/29 Geoff gjn@gmail.com: Hi Steve I am busy trying to get to understand how to connect the bits in a relation. Not getting far but I want to read a bit more before I ask teh dumb questions here.

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Could some cycleway experimented mappers check and complete this wiki page that I enhanced with new pictures and examples : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_amenagements The structure looks really good. A few

Re: [OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: That said, I personally find the highway tagging guidelines difficult to apply anyway. In states without formal legal road classifications we might as well mark everything except motorways and service roads as road for all I can

Re: [OSM-talk] Google launches Indigenous Mapping workshop

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:25 AM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: But what if that population then consists entirely of Map Maker users? Is that really beneficial for OSM? I know what you're saying, but it is reasonable to expect Map Maker users to jump ship to OSM? Is that even what

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Pieren I like the page but what is amenagements? It translates roughly to amenities but that's not necessarily the best English word Features Steve ___ talk mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Cycle path under railway

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Geoff gjn@gmail.com wrote: Which raises another point how do I link all the bits that I have mapped into one one way or put in a relation to make it a route. Or do I just work around it by naming all the bits as Linear park track? A relation is best for

Re: [talk-au] hiding boundary=administrative by default

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
I've submitted a request for Potlatch. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2583#preview Boy what a weird thread. I'm still puzzling over how this: Steve: Hear, hear. Would be good in potlatch too. turned into: John: Your post was completely useless, why didn't you just post a bug instead of

Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents: anything that is less important than tertiary is: 1) if it is a named/public road: * residential if lined primarily with people's homes and used primarily by people accessing those homes * unclassified

[OSM-talk] What's the policy on unsurveyed roads from imagery?

2009-12-26 Thread Steve Bennett
I gather the convention is to mark any unsurveyed road which one has some information as simply highway=road, on the basis that you know nothing else about it. But what about when the information comes from high quality imagery (like nearmap in australia)? I've been mapping these as

Re: [talk-au] hiding boundary=administrative by default

2009-12-26 Thread Steve Bennett
You don't need my permission to file a bug :P Please stop being an asshole. Your way of expressing yourself on these lists is extremely unpleasant. For almost every post that anyone makes, you make this snide, arrogant, completely uncalled for follow-up. If you have a useful post to make that

Re: [talk-au] railway lines and nearmap

2009-12-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: I've been driving around some areas that are OSM mapped, but almost devoid of features except the road. I find that having extra non-drivable features makes the map more comfortable - gives you confidence in your

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-25 Thread Steve Bennett
I don't mean to troll, but why is security important for OSM exactly? My bank details, yes. My email, yes. But OSM? What am I afraid of, that someone will ruin my reputation by making edits under my account? Edits that can subsequently be reverted...? Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Why doesn't OSM implement a simple measure to protect it's users and passwords?

2009-12-25 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 1:36 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Your account may be able to do relatively little damage, but what about someone who has more access? Fair point. Then you also have the possibility of collecting large amounts of account details, since almost

Re: [OSM-talk] DVB-T Empfangsqualität in OSM mappen

2009-12-25 Thread Steve Bennett
2009/12/26 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info Maybe we could have an english translation ? which seems quite obvious by being posted on talk@ ... thx Why so snarky? Max put in a one sentence translation at the top. Failing that, Google Translate gives this: Hello, is it already

Re: [talk-au] railway lines and nearmap

2009-12-25 Thread Steve Bennett
Hmm, speaking from experience of a ride today, I'd actually prefer less detail, but maybe that's a question for the renderer. Trying to follow a bike path that runs beside, then crosses over, a set of train tracks is really tough - all the lines look very similar. Anyway, that's just me grumbling

Re: [talk-au] railway lines and nearmap

2009-12-25 Thread Steve Bennett
If all you cared about was cycling information, why didn't you use OpenCycleMap tiles? Shut up. And merry christmas, Steve. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Routable maps

2009-12-24 Thread Steve Bennett
I also just tried out routing on my new Garmin Oregon 550...awesome. I was on cycling Churchill Park in Melbourne's east and camping the night. The gps, using only osm data, found me some really interesting tracks that I wouldn't have thought of on my own. Someone's done a good job in that area.

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. I suggest asking the authors of JOSM/Potlatch/... to put in an option to hide

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Would most casual users even notice though? I think it's important here to separate technically rational arguments like one update per week is enough from emotional/social/visceral factors like omg, I made a

Re: [OSM-talk] Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: this is already tried at the editor level (e.g. JOSM Presets), but also has some limits: - there is not an English word for all words in all other languages (an example we had some time ago on the German ML:

Re: [OSM-talk] Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
A couple more updates: - added links to OSMdoc so you can see the currently used values for each tag - I now show certain* OSMdoc tags that aren't supported by any tool - I fixed wiki tags that were effectively max_speed=* but are listed in the wiki as max_speed=Speed.

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Like I said before, I think making a wiki page and posting these observations there would be more helpful in the long run than simply sending them off into the ether that is this mailing list. The heads up is great, but nothing much is going to happen this way. Steve

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:46 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Feel free, but these locations are all tagged with fixme=not_reviewed and show up in things like keepright etc, and as I said before I even made a custom page for the bp locations to make it simpler again. Not sure

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically, though, I'm wondering why use amenity:atm=yes rather than atm=yes? Is there ever some atm that isn't an amenity? It's for when there are several amenities sharing one node. Not that any renderers/editors

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:41 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/21 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Not sure if you have a pathological hatred towards making wiki pages, or how you end up thinking it's less work to send so many messages to this list rather than

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:39 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.auwrote: According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:atm you should add an individual node for an ATM, rather than tag it onto an existing node (ie. bank, servo or chemist). Well, that's a bit of a misrepresentation.

Re: [talk-au] Common or not??

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Just looking at a photo and it has a Mobile Library Stop sign in it Are these common and I haven't been looking? any ideas for a tag amenity=library_stop ?? I have seen a couple of these around country Vic. I'd use whatever the

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.auwrote: Actually, I just did read it, and put the pages side-by-side. The only difference I noticed, is at the top.. Tag:atm=yes (Redirected from Key:atm) Ok, quick lesson on MediaWiki for you all. Some pages in the wiki

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:05 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.auwrote: Well, I never add any map data that I havent verified for myself, so my interpretation is probably different to those who mass-import data. Ive been to almost every servo in my local area, and have been marking

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Wasn't planning to do any different, it's hard enough to pin point the location of a lot/most BPs from aerial imagery where it exists, next to impossible in areas with no aerial imagery, although as I said before,

Re: [talk-au] Common or not??

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: I think using a bus route type could get muddled with public transport and we will have german tourists trying to catch the library truck to get around. Still a better solution than alternatives. You could tag it

Re: [talk-au] Common or not??

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the closest thing I can think of is the mobile blood-bank collection vans. They operate in a similar fashion - any tags for marking them to use as an example? Other things in the same category might include

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:47 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: You are assuming the only use is for rendering, have you seen osmfuel.org? http://www.osmfuel.org/enter Uh: You have asked Firefox to connect securely to mail.suckfuell.net, but we can't confirm that your

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