Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

Mateusz, rendering still happens on the server right before being sent to the client, but it COULD be rendered on the client too, because the vector.pbf tiles could be accessed directly, bypassing the server side rendering. On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 3:01 PM Mateusz Konieczny

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

Thanks, I forgot/missed that rendering happens on client computer and vector tiles with all languages are cached. I also now have one more project on my list - look how vector tiles served by Wikipedia servers may be used (usage limits and what kind of data is provided). 4. May 2018 10:14 by

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

Japanese has three *alphabets* (well, two syllabaries and a set of logographs), but only one writing system. For any given thing you want to write, there's only one correct set of symbols to use. -- Mark On Fri, 4 May 2018 08:11:14 +0200 Jo wrote: > Japanese has 3

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

Btw, this is already possible - Wikipedia servers let you access both images and raw vector tiles, so if someone wants to do the client part, it shouldn't be too hard. On Fri, May 4, 2018, 11:11 Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > In reality, it is not impossible, or even that

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In reality, it is not impossible, or even that hard. If the vector tile is sent to the client, than the client can decide which language to render based on user preference. The exact same code (it's all in JavaScript) can be used to decide the labeling. Caching would only improve, because instead

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

3. May 2018 22:49 by jmatazz...@wikimedia.org : > I’d very much like to get your suggestions for a short list of Help links on > OSM—pages you think a user coming in to add multilingual names would find > useful. Also please send your thoughts about any

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4. May 2018 07:36 by md...@xs4all.nl : > On 2018-05-04 00:33, Joe Matazzoni wrote: >> No fallback is currently defined for Polish. We’ll be happy to >> change that if you can show community consensus. > > Community consensus? You mean a bunch of people who decide for

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

Daniel, sure, I can give you the full scoop. Considering that I designed and developed most of it, I do have some knowledge here. Big kudos to Max Semenik for developing all the initial data queries and php work, all the amazing UI done by Julien Girault, and the current maps engineering team for

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Japanese has 3 writing systems. Jo 2018-05-04 1:10 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć : > W dniu 04.05.2018 o 00:33, Joe Matazzoni pisze: > > Here is the list of languages Wikimedia supports. https://en. > wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix >

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On 2018-05-04 00:33, Joe Matazzoni wrote: Hi Daniel, I’ll look for your contributions on the project talk page. Thanks. Meanwhile, here are answers to your questions: 1. The localized maps lack fallback rules (I'm speaking of Polish language at least). I would ask for English as a fallback

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W dniu 04.05.2018 o 02:30, Yuri Astrakhan pisze: > Daniel, the only real difference between serving every available > language and serving just one is cache fragmentation, and that's may > be different in your case. Sure, but you're talking about just one link of the chain. The WMF vector tiles

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

Daniel, the only real difference between serving every available language and serving just one is cache fragmentation, and that's may be different in your case. The vector tiles get pre-generated the same way, and they simply contain all languages instead of one. Disk space wise, the difference

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I have seen a lot of these images and I also believe that we wont need these static images if we can interface properly between OSM and Wikipedia. We just need the recipes for dynamic connections between the two systems :)   Pierre Le jeudi 3 mai 2018 19 h 43 min 38 s HAE, Joe Matazzoni

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Hi Joe These features are promizing. My observations will be focused on the interrelations between OSM and Wikipeda and my perception that OSM contributors need more documentation to support Wikipedians. I was contacted recently by a  Wikipedian who talked to me about the maplink feature and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

I found another OSM page directed at OSM-Wikimedia collaboration [1]. This one encourages OSM users to add images of OSM maps to Wikimedia wikis as static graphics. As such, I wonder if advances in placing dynamic dynamic maps in wikis (though mapframe and maplink has made this page somewhat

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W dniu 04.05.2018 o 01:17, Joe Matazzoni pisze: > b) how many server resources do you need for rendering languages > that you want to support (not the software stack used)? > > ?? Are you asking about OSM resources or WMF resources? I mean WMF resources. I'm asking because we want to have

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W dniu 04.05.2018 o 00:33, Joe Matazzoni pisze: > Here is the list of languages Wikimedia > supports. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix > >

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W dniu 03.05.2018 o 23:20, Yuri Astrakhan pisze: > I have posted in another threads about this, proposing > "default_language" tag to be added to the admin (or smaller) regions > to solve this.  I like this proposition. I was talking about "official_language", but they might be added where they

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Hi Daniel, I’ll look for your contributions on the project talk page. Thanks. Meanwhile, here are answers to your questions: > 1. The localized maps lack fallback rules (I'm speaking of Polish > language at least). I would ask for English as a fallback for maps in > Polish, but I don't know

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I cannot speak for WMF, only about the actual Kartotherian stack behind it, and the way they are currently using it: On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 12:52 AM Daniel Koć wrote: > > 1. The localized maps lack fallback rules (I'm speaking of Polish > language at least). I would ask for

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W dniu 03.05.2018 o 22:49, Joe Matazzoni pisze: > Please post your thoughts and ideas to the project talk page [4]. > Thanks for your help, and for providing the valuable service you do to > Wikimedia contributors and readers around the world.  I will try to put my thoughts there. However I

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P.S. example - this library [1] might be a good fit (any other suggestions?). It does universal transliteration, yet even the author writes this: "transliteration supports almost all common languages whereas there might be quirks in some specific languages. For example, Kanji characters in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

Christoph, I agree that this would be an awesome improvement, yet I think there is a problem to implement it. Most languages have their own transliteration rules, so transliterating "name" tag without the knowledge of its language will produce a lot of incorrect names. I have posted in another

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

On Thursday 03 May 2018, Joe Matazzoni wrote: > [...] > > We don’t anticipate that these new maps will put any strain on OSM > performance. The impact I do foresee—and hope for—is that the new > exposure of multilingual map data will inspire many more Wikimedians > to contribute to OSM. This is

[OSM-talk] OSM and new Wikipedia map features

Hello OpenStreetMap community, I’m the product manager of the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) Collaboration Team. We’ve been working on project recently called Map Improvements 2018 [1] that some of you will find interesting. As most of you probably know, WMF maps are powered by OSM data. The most