Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-14 Thread Richard Bullock
Just a further heads up that this user appears to have posted to SABRE asking for a way to edit OSM privately. Any suggestions I should pass on to him? It should keep him from vandalising live data if it was possible. Just a bit of a heads up really. I've just spotted some random changing of

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-05 Thread Peter Körner
Is there any simple way (i.e. not involving setting up your own Mapnik server) to test Mapnik rendering locally, without polluting OSM, and perhaps more importantly, without waiting an hour or more to see your update. I'm working on a Virtual-Box image with a complete set up rendering

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread Jennifer Campbell
Just a further heads up that this user appears to have posted to SABRE asking for a way to edit OSM privately. Any suggestions I should pass on to him? It should keep him from vandalising live data if it was possible. http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1t=23677 Jeni

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Jennifer Campbell jenuk1...@googlemail.com: Just a further heads up that this user appears to have posted to SABRE asking for a way to edit OSM privately. Any suggestions I should pass on to him? It should keep him from vandalising live data if it was possible.

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread Thomas Wood
On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 01:15 +1000, John Smith wrote: For people with good reason to be making dummy edits the dev system can do this and will also render pretty maps too. http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ Half correct. It's not yet set up for rendering.

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 01:15 +1000, John Smith wrote: For people with good reason to be making dummy edits the dev system can do this and will also render pretty maps too. http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/10/4 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: If it is a genuine concern about being abused for making mistakes the people abusing people should be dealt with there is no reason for it, I'm not sure if you followed the original incident. This was not a case of an inexperienced mapper making

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Is there any simple way (i.e. not involving setting up your own Mapnik server) to test Mapnik rendering locally, without polluting OSM, and perhaps more importantly, without waiting an hour or more to see your update. I thought the dev system was setup to do

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-18 Thread Rob
Thomas Wood wrote: Hi list, Attention was drawn to the OSM user RR8 last night on IRC. It appears that they have been producing /apparently/ deconstructive edits at a high frequency since late Saturday evening (server time). Edits primarily are the reclassification of highways to a different

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-18 Thread Someoneelse
Rob wrote: Was just looking at the stats report and happened to notice this account is editing again after a 15 day quite period. Not checked the regions or validity at all yet but given the past history I though I would give a heads up. Thanks for that - it's been mentioned on Talk-GB

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Jennifer Campbell
Tom Hughes wrote: On 01/09/09 16:23, Lester Caine wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Which would suggest that the changeset for this needs reversing, although http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A816 does hint at the fact that it has been 'de-truncked' and that only some

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: And yes, I'm expecting fast reactions from the admins You're a gold-level member of the OSMF, right? Y'know, the level that means your annual membership

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Lester Caine
Jennifer Campbell wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: On 01/09/09 16:23, Lester Caine wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Which would suggest that the changeset for this needs reversing, although http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A816 does hint at the fact that it has been

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
Tom Hughes schrieb: On 01/09/09 23:02, Pieren wrote: I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks like the worst form of vandalism. As an admin with the technical ability to do these things I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Tom Hughes
On 02/09/09 18:51, Peter Körner wrote: Tom Hughes schrieb: On 01/09/09 23:02, Pieren wrote: I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks like the worst form of vandalism. As an admin with the

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Peter Körner
Well that's the problem - the best thing we have at the moment is the foundation and it's working groups. In this case the Data Working Group is the appropriate one I guess. I think a crowdsourced approach against vandalism would scale better than dedicated working-groups. See my

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: Yes, but who appointed him as the arbiter? Whoever is making the decision needs to be selected by and accountable to the community in some way, not self-appointed. FFS Tom, you can't have it both ways. I understand and respect that you don't want the final

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Tom Hughes
On 02/09/09 19:55, Dermot McNally wrote: 2009/9/2 Tom Hughest...@compton.nu: Yes, but who appointed him as the arbiter? Whoever is making the decision needs to be selected by and accountable to the community in some way, not self-appointed. FFS Tom, you can't have it both ways. I understand

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dermot McNally wrote: FFS Tom, you can't have it both ways. I understand and respect that you don't want the final decision resting, by default, with you as the man with the stick. This being so, you have to be prepared to assess the claims of individual mappers on their merits, having

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: The you in you have to be prepared to assess is not Tom, it's OSMF. OSMF is the nearest to a community-appointed arbiter that we have. In particular, it's OSMF's Data Working Group:    http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Lester Caine
Clifford Nolan wrote: Please stop this person from doing any more damage. RR8 is still editing as I write - can the account be suspended a.s.a.p., please? I was going to say - seconded but I think that some of the changes just need cross referencing. 2326103 declassifies the A816 from a trunk

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Tom Hughes
On 01/09/09 09:16, Lester Caine wrote: 2326103 declassifies the A816 from a trunk route to a primary route which CURRENTLY is probably correct ... except - I think that it would be useful to designate http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk as a cross reference for the trunk and primary designations -

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Tom Hughes
On 01/09/09 10:13, Lester Caine wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: On 01/09/09 09:16, Lester Caine wrote: 2326103 declassifies the A816 from a trunk route to a primary route which CURRENTLY is probably correct ... except - I think that it would be useful to designate http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk as

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Lester Caine
Tom Hughes wrote: On 01/09/09 09:16, Lester Caine wrote: 2326103 declassifies the A816 from a trunk route to a primary route which CURRENTLY is probably correct ... except - I think that it would be useful to designate http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk as a cross reference for the trunk and

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Hughes wrote: Unless something has changed in the last few years them at least some parts of the A816 are trunk (in the OSM sense of being primary A roads with green signs). Indeed: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/916074 http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/144953 cheers Richard -- View

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Lester Caine
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: Unless something has changed in the last few years them at least some parts of the A816 are trunk (in the OSM sense of being primary A roads with green signs). Indeed: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/916074

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Tom Hughes
On 01/09/09 16:23, Lester Caine wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: Unless something has changed in the last few years them at least some parts of the A816 are trunk (in the OSM sense of being primary A roads with green signs). Indeed: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/916074

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Lester Caine
Tom Hughes wrote: On 01/09/09 16:23, Lester Caine wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: Unless something has changed in the last few years them at least some parts of the A816 are trunk (in the OSM sense of being primary A roads with green signs). Indeed:

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/1 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: I was going to say - seconded but I think that some of the changes just need cross referencing. I can't speak for his edits elsewhere (though some seem to have been at best incautious), but every _single_ change he made in Ireland (and there were many)

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Larry O'Neill
What Dermot is saying with regard to the edits this user made in Ireland is correct. This users editing was careless, ignorant, and whimsical. I have yet to decide if it was malicious. I think It may be a good idea to contact contributors in Iceland (where he has done more editing than elsewhere)

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Larry O'Neilllarryone...@gmail.com wrote: What Dermot is saying with regard to the edits this user made in Ireland is correct. This users editing was careless, ignorant, and whimsical. I have yet to decide if it was malicious. I think It may be a good idea to

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Pieren wrote: I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks like the worst form of vandalism. Comments like that are not helpful at all. If that's really your attitude then find yourself a tightly

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Pieren wrote: I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks like the worst form of vandalism. Comments like that are not

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Tom Hughes
On 01/09/09 23:02, Pieren wrote: I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks like the worst form of vandalism. As an admin with the technical ability to do these things I'm perfectly capable of

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/2 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Pieren wrote: I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks like the worst form of vandalism. Comments like that are not helpful at all. If that's really

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: And yes, I'm expecting fast reactions from the admins You're a gold-level member of the OSMF, right? Y'know, the level that means your annual membership fee is the same cost as a full time admin to do your beck and call, right?

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Dermot McNallyderm...@gmail.com wrote: But what we are dealing with here is a proven vandal who won't engage with community members. Action required. Yes. By you. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism#Vandalism_response Doesn't mention demanding

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/09/2009 23:40, Tom Hughes wrote: On 01/09/09 23:02, Pieren wrote: I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks like the worst form of vandalism. As an admin with the technical ability to do

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Pieren wrote: I say that because I spent a little bit time to look the edits of this person, working intensively in different countries with a lot of short edits and after one day of the first alarms about this user. But do you even have anyhing to prove that this is vandalism? Just

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Dermot McNallyderm...@gmail.com wrote: But what we are dealing with here is a proven vandal who won't engage with community members. Action required. Yes. By you.

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: But do you even have anyhing to prove that this is vandalism? Just because a new account makes lots of edits in different places doesn't mean anything... there might be a pre-existing group of people on some mailing list and one of them says hey,

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Mike N.
From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Pieren wrote: I say that because I spent a little bit time to look the edits of this person, working intensively in different countries with a lot of short edits and after one day of the first alarms about this user. But do you even have anyhing to

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-08-31 Thread Dermot McNally
To add to this, this user is failing to reply to messages and continuing to edit (currently in Iceland). I can't speak for the usefulness of his edits there, but he certainly seems prolific. Right now I'm torn between my desire to fix the core of the Irish road network and my fear that he'll