Hi!
Ed Loach schrieb:
As I think someone else pointed out, if it is abusable then we could
abuse it and not lose any data with the switch.
Yep, we would just loose the people and the credibility.
This could only be considerd a last resort for data of people that still
cannot be reached
I wrote:
As I think someone else pointed out, if it is abusable then we
could abuse it and not lose any data with the switch.
And before the flood of emails - I forgot the smiley.
I'm sure I read somewhere lots of suggestions about what would
happen to various items based on whether the
Ian Dees schrieb:
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com
mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote:
I asked the CM designers for some quick hacks on what different front
pages could look like which you can see on the wiki page below. There
are some very quick ideas
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 12:48:43 you wrote:
/usr/share/apr-1.0/build/libtool: line 1222: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: command
not found
make: *** [mod_tile.slo] Error 1
It looks like you don't have gcc installed. You should start with running:
$ sudo aptitude build-essential
that solved that
Ian Dees wrote:
To get some conversation going:
I really like the Fp4.jpg[1] example on the URL you gave, Steve. It's
important to make the map (and thus its data) the largest GUI element on
the page. The buttons along the top draw my eye up there to see what's
available. I also like
D Tucny wrote:
I must say, I like that one too... but... So many sites and applications
these days seem to be going with all the options at the top/bottom and a
full width content section, while at the same time most 4:3 screens are
being replaced with 16:10 screens...
Screen size is of
SteveC wrote:
The other thing that could be better is the search engine optimisation
of the front page so that it shows up higher for some search terms
like free maps and stuff.
Why do I always want to barf when I hear somebody mention SEO...
Anyway some thoughts are jotted down here:
On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 13:38 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
that solved that problem - now one more:
/usr/share/apr-1.0/build/libtool --silent --mode=link
i486-linux-gnu-gcc -I.
-DLINUX=2 -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT -
I/usr/include/apr-1.0 -I/usr/include/openssl
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 14:07:11 Jon Burgess wrote:
as far as I know, all the dependencies are done (I installed mapnik
through
apt-get install python-mapnik)
The current mod_tile code requires you to use a newer version of Mapnik
than is available in the debian packages. I'm afraid you
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:16:21AM +0100, Jonas Krückel (John07) wrote:
Ian Dees schrieb:
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com
mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote:
I asked the CM designers for some quick hacks on what different front
pages could look like
As Jon says we are on the case, but it is not simple.
BTW not done deliberately, more a result of counties/countries being put in
relations and then picking up styling by default that was designed with some
other instance in mind. This is equally true of rendering names along
boundaries which
One particular use of the foo_link info is that all down to secondary have a
seperate position in the mapnik rendering order (painter model) - BEFORE all
non_link instances. This means that the ugly junctions between say a
motorway_link and a less importantly ranked road are now avoided, and
wer-ist-roger wrote:
First of all we will lose data. We won't get everyone to agree on the
new license. No matter why. Maybe they don't approve the new
license or we just can't reach them anymore.
There's three categories to consider relating to existing data.
1. People who have made edits
I can't see how any plan that involves deleting non-trivial amounts of
data is ever going to work anyway as who is going to stop people from
re-uploading the data with minor changes to tags and all the nodes moved
by a metre or two?
Kevin
Ed Loach wrote:
I wrote:
As I think someone
Hi,
wer-ist-roger wrote:
But we could lose even more! The ones that don't agree on the change might
start a fork and that would be the worst thing that could happen.
That's why we talk to each other before taking the next step. If people
feel rushed or left out then they are likely to fork;
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:41:38 +0200, talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:
Something that's come up a few times in chatting to people is the
front page design of the website and how it's been pretty static for a
long time. That's pretty cool as nobody has felt the need to hack it
I make a
Hi,
Ian Dees wrote:
I really like the Fp4.jpg[1] example on the URL you gave, Steve.
I'm a bit concerned about the similarity to maps.cloudmade.com; I would
not want people to think that OSM was a CloudMade spin-off ;-) then
again there's not much freedom, design-wise, in making a page with a
2009/3/3 Celso González ce...@mitago.net:
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:16:21AM +0100, Jonas Krückel (John07) wrote:
Ian Dees schrieb:
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com
mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote:
I asked the CM designers for some quick hacks on what
2009/3/3 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu
D Tucny wrote:
I must say, I like that one too... but... So many sites and applications
these days seem to be going with all the options at the top/bottom and a
full width content section, while at the same time most 4:3 screens are
being replaced with
Hi,
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
There's three categories to consider relating to existing data.
1. People who have made edits and can't be contacted.
2. People who don't like ODbL and withdraw their data.
3. Large organisations.
I have a fourth category to add:
4. People who don't dislike
D Tucny wrote:
2009/3/3 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu mailto:t...@compton.nu
Screen size is of course irrelevant to browser window size, unless
you're one of those weird web designers that seems to think
everybody runs their browser full screen all the time...
I guess that makes
Hi,
Tom Hughes wrote:
If I'm on a 1600x1200 desktop, or a 3760x1600 desktop like the one I use
at the office, then it won't be.
Good for you, because if you displayed our slippy map in 3760x1600 then
we would have to block your IP for bulk downloading ;-)
Bye
Frederik
On 03/03/2009 09:42, D Tucny wrote:
2009/3/3 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu mailto:t...@compton.nu
D Tucny wrote:
I must say, I like that one too... but... So many sites and
applications these days seem to be going with all the options at
the top/bottom and a
Hello everyone,
Have had a think about this, primarily as part of developing new styles
for the shortly to be relaunched Freemap (UK) / OpenFootMap (worldwide,
potentially) OSM site for walkers/hikers/horse riders.
I now think the designation tag is a good thing as it simplifies the
Mapnik
Hey guys gals, get these thoughts onto the wiki! I've added some already:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Front_Page
Thanks to Steve the CloudMade designers for giving this some energy!
Regards,
Tom
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:37:29 +, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk
wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
Screen size is of course irrelevant to browser window size,
unless you're one of those weird web designers that seems to
think everybody runs their browser full screen all the time...
IMX it's a platform thing. Windows people genuinely do run their web
browser, and most
SteveC wrote:
I asked the CM designers for some quick hacks on what different
front pages could look like which you can see on the wiki page
below.
Very pretty in a sort of let's-polish-the-CSS way, which isn't a bad thing
at all.
In a let's ask for the stars way, though, how about:
- a
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
Screen size is of course irrelevant to browser window size,
unless you're one of those weird web designers that seems to
think everybody runs their browser full screen all the time...
IMX it's a platform thing. Windows people genuinely do run
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 03:43:04PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
did you notice lenny has been out for half a month now ? ;)
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Frederik Ramm schrieb:
Hi,
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
There's three categories to consider relating to existing data.
1. People who have made edits and can't be contacted.
2. People who don't like ODbL and withdraw their data.
3. Large organisations.
I have a fourth category to add:
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 15:51:51 Raphaël Jacquot wrote:
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 03:43:04PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
did you notice lenny has been out for half a month now ? ;)
does it work out of the box with lenny?
--
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
Hi,
Ulf Lamping wrote:
We're only loosing 5% of the
data is a very, very strange attitude for me. Not because of the data
but because of the people behind that data.
Well, we always said we have unlimited free labour ,-)
But I just won't continue to spend effort if OSM in
the long run
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 14:07:11 you wrote:
as far as I know, all the dependencies are done (I installed mapnik
through
apt-get install python-mapnik)
The current mod_tile code requires you to use a newer version of Mapnik
than is available in the debian packages. I'm afraid you will
Hi everyone!
canvec2osm v0.05 is now available to view comment.
You can download it from the wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec2osm
I have gone over in detail the 'transportation' and 'buildings
structures' themes; thanks to those on the talk-ca list and everyone who
emailed me,
Tom Hughes wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
IMX it's a platform thing. Windows people genuinely do run their web
browser, and most things, full screen. Hence the aberration that is MDI.
Us Mac people, by contrast, usually have about 57 different non-full screen
windows overlapping - that's
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
IMX it's a platform thing. Windows people genuinely do run their web
browser, and most things, full screen. Hence the aberration that is
MDI.
Us Mac people, by contrast, usually have about 57 different non-full
screen
Ulf Lamping wrote:
Personally I am feeling excluded from what's going on behind
the scenes and I think this is not the way for a project that
has open in his name ...
If it helps, there _isn't_ anything going on behind the scenes... well, at
least not that I know of.
Post in German, or
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote:
I keep wanting to scream every time I see it say
Mapnik.. as if three of the layers there aren't actually rendered
using Mapnik anyway :-)
I can't imagine what a newbie will think a Mapnik is.
Quite. Can someone
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Sent: 03 March 2009 10:05 AM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Front page design and SEO
SteveC wrote:
I asked the CM designers for some quick hacks on what different
front pages could look like which you can see on the wiki page
below.
Very pretty
Andy Allan wrote:
Quite. Can someone please come up with names for the two main
styles that aren't just the technology that creates them?
Mapnik - Standard (or maybe 'Classic')
Osmarender - Community
cheers
Richard
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View this message in context:
I am always coming across private roads, which are physically there but not
rights of way, and occasionally footpaths which are rights of way but not
physically passable! I am surprised that a schema for representing this hasn't
been developed already.
I have seen access=private suggested for
Tracks known to be private (something the Ordnance
Survey do not show, and therefore something that could be a big advantage
over OS maps) could be overlaid by a transparent red line to indicate do
not go here.
I personally would be very wary of this approach, as known to be private can
be a
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
My position is that images are Produced Works, not a derived OSM
database.
Rendered images are a creative work that requires skill and judgement.
This is an important use case and ODbL Section 1 Definitions
specifically
Andy Allan wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote:
I keep wanting to scream every time I see it say
Mapnik.. as if three of the layers there aren't actually rendered
using Mapnik anyway :-)
I can't imagine what a newbie will think a Mapnik is.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
Andy Allan wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk
wrote:
I keep wanting to scream every time I see it say
Mapnik.. as if three of the layers there aren't actually rendered
using Mapnik
Andy Allan wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
Osmarender is the name of the rendering software, ti...@home is the name of
the distributed rendering system.
I see it as the name of the project - the t...@h project produces the
map, but the osmarender
I've been reading the Use Cases on the wiki and I'm confused. Can
anyone help me with where I'm going wrong?
I know there's still some discussion about when something becomes a
Produced Work so I'm trying to make the use case below a clear cut
Produced Work.
I download a substantial amount of
Dave Stubbs wrote:
Am I missing something obvious, or am I just being sneaky in some
way? And is there a way it can be made more obvious in the license
if it's actually intended to be that way?
I think this is a serious error in the ODbL draft 0.9. (I believe Frederik
is of the same
A little bit more respect to the people that actually did the mapping
work would probably be a very good idea. We're only loosing 5% of the
data is a very, very strange attitude for me. Not because of the data
but because of the people behind that data.
Losing 5% of data will do much more
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:12:21 -0800 (PST), Richard Fairhurst
rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Andy Allan wrote:
Quite. Can someone please come up with names for the two main
styles that aren't just the technology that creates them?
Mapnik - Standard (or maybe 'Classic')
Osmarender - Community
A
2009/3/3 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net:
Dave Stubbs wrote:
Am I missing something obvious, or am I just being sneaky in some
way? And is there a way it can be made more obvious in the license
if it's actually intended to be that way?
I think this is a serious error in the ODbL
Tom Chance wrote:
It's not clear that it's the distributed rendering of the data that makes
one more community than the other.
That's not quite what I was thinking of - it was more the cartographic style
than the mechanics behind it.
The Osmarender layer tends to prioritise more POIs, more
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
Andy Allan wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
Osmarender is the name of the rendering software, ti...@home is the name
of
the distributed rendering system.
I see it as the name of the
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
2. People who don't like ODbL and withdraw their data. _Assuming_ we can get
the bugs sorted in ODbL, and we can't take that for granted yet, this
percentage should be very small.
except that the ODbL does represent
OJ W wrote:
This could potentially alienate anyone who wonders why they are
doing surveying for free so that cartographers can sell all-rights-
reserved map images based on their data.
Yeah, just like I lie in bed at night fretting that people can sell
all-rights-reserved, closed-source
MP singularita at gmail.com writes:
I think we should find some way to avoid deleting at all. For some
transitional time (in which the data will be still under cc-by-sa but
we will be collecting consent of users for ODbL) mark data coming
from/derived from people uncontactable/disagreeing with
I recommend to add a form input field for GPS Traces where a user can
easily search for a tag, let's say GPS tracks for Paris.
You can easily upload your tracks but you cannot easily search. I know that
I can of course type a tag into the browser's address field like
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
OJ W wrote:
This could potentially alienate anyone who wonders why they are
doing surveying for free so that cartographers can sell all-rights-
reserved map images based on their data.
Yeah, just like I lie in bed
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
wrote:
2. People who don't like ODbL and withdraw their data. _Assuming_ we can get
the bugs sorted in ODbL, and we can't take that for granted yet, this
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
except that the ODbL does represent a fundamental change in licensing
of map images - previously they were sharealike, but with ODbL it will
only require attribution?
That is hos the license is understood by most people,
Pieren wrote:
It's very confusing now about who, how and what is deleted with
the license change. I would appreciate if someone could answer
the following questions:
It's not been decided. What do you think should happen?
Everything is up for debate. ODbL itself is up for debate. As Jordan
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
IMX it's a platform thing. Windows people genuinely do run their web
browser, and most things, full screen. Hence the aberration that is MDI.
Us Mac people, by contrast, usually have about 57 different non-full screen
windows overlapping - that's why Apple came up
Richard Fairhurst richard at systemed.net writes:
Under CC-BY-SA, as I'm sure you know, a printed map can only be
licensed as copyleft. The cartographer therefore no longer has
exclusive rights to their added value (colours, selection of data to
include, and so on), which are clearly apparent
Ed Avis wrote:
What you wrote above is a very good argument for it.
Rendering the data into a printed map is not a great deal of effort.
Anyone can do it and many already do so. There are not many
people who would be put off from rendering maps by being unable to
make the result
2009/3/3 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
wrote:
2. People who don't like ODbL and withdraw their data. _Assuming_ we can get
the bugs sorted in ODbL, and we
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, wer-ist-roger juwelier-onl...@web.dewrote:
The only thing I'm missing right now is a little more explenation on the
wiki
page. For example why needs the database a license at all? The database is
nothing without the data init. So first of all why dose the
On 03/03/09 09:43, Frederik Ramm wrote:
4. People who don't dislike ODbL per se but dislike the manner in which
it was brought about, and thus feel rushed/excluded. People who make
sensible suggestions for improvement but see their suggestions brushed
away or simply ignored because this would
The GPLv3 public revision process was 18 months in multiple phases, and
it was based on an existing licence. We are trying to analyse a
completely new and untested one and get it to a final version in 1 month.
I don't advocate the N years that the GPLv3 took, but currently the plan
says:
2nd
I think we should find some way to avoid deleting at all. For some
transitional time (in which the data will be still under cc-by-sa but
we will be collecting consent of users for ODbL) mark data coming
from/derived from people uncontactable/disagreeing with license with
some special tag. Let
We can make sure the existing-people-problem doesn't get worse meantime
by making people creating new accounts agree to dual licensing under
CC-BY-SA and ODbL 1.0.
Perhaps give option to agree to ODbL also to existing accounts (though
do not make it mandatory for now). This could also solve
2009/3/3 MP singular...@gmail.com:
I think we should find some way to avoid deleting at all. For some
transitional time (in which the data will be still under cc-by-sa but
we will be collecting consent of users for ODbL) mark data coming
from/derived from people uncontactable/disagreeing with
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote:
The GPLv3 public revision process was 18 months in multiple phases, and
it was based on an existing licence. We are trying to analyse a
completely new and untested one and get it to a final version in 1 month.
We've
Hi,
Gervase Markham wrote:
4. People who don't dislike ODbL per se but dislike the manner in which
it was brought about, and thus feel rushed/excluded. People who make
sensible suggestions for improvement but see their suggestions brushed
away or simply ignored because this would just delay
2009/3/3 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net:
The GPLv3 public revision process was 18 months in multiple phases, and
it was based on an existing licence. We are trying to analyse a
completely new and untested one and get it to a final version in 1 month.
It may well be too quick. And given
Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net writes:
80n wrote:
What percentage of data would other people feel willing to see
sacrificed in order to move forward with the new license?
I'd be interested to see this related to our userbase and editing stats.
If (say) we lose 5%, how many months
Hi,
Andy Allan wrote:
We've been talking about the ODbL for a lng time now, way more
than 18 months. It's not completely new. The previous draft was dated
April 2008. If you're new to the discussions, then welcome, but don't
make like the ODbL has never been seen before and that we're
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:40:08AM -0500, Richard Weait wrote:
I see SVG as just another image. Raster or Vector; the image format is
not a problem. […}
The problem is behaviour. In this case the potential problem is Some
Jerk trying to use OSM database without living up to their license
Shaun wrote:
This crossing of a highway and a railway needs to
be tagged as railway=level_crossing
Is not quite right as it should also allow
railway=crossing. a crossing is a crossing just for
pedestrians, while level_crossing is a crossing where
larger vehicles can cross too.
Martin wrote:
Perhaps give option to agree to ODbL also to existing accounts
(though
do not make it mandatory for now). This could also solve some
problems
if people leave the project in the meantime (perhaps because
they have
already mapped their area of interest or whatever ...)
I was
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 03:28:10PM +0100, Pieren wrote:
It's very confusing now about who, how and what is deleted with the
license change. I would appreciate if someone could answer the
following questions:
My take:
- do you delete only data from contributors who explicitly say 'no' to
the
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
It might be easy to do an automated rendering. That's not what I'm talking
What concerns me is hand-drawn cartography. The program code for
that, in my case, is something like Inkscape or Adobe Illustrator, which
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 05:21:02PM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote:
because of a change to the data, but the (unpublished) tools creating
the images, thus nothing of use would be contributed back to the free
world with ODbL.
Then we need to make sure as many tools as possible are free software,
and
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de wrote:
John Wilbanks schrieb:
In terms of OKF, hosting licenses is hard, and versioning licenses is
really hard, but OKF has been around for a while and is a solid group of
folks. If they are going to host your license you are way
-- Forwarded message --
From: Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:04:57 +
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] It's all too fast...
To: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
Even now we are getting no explanations from the foundation to our
questions. Either this is
Am Dienstag 03 März 2009 schrieb Gustav Foseid:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, wer-ist-roger juwelier-onl...@web.dewrote:
The only thing I'm missing right now is a little more explenation on the
wiki
page. For example why needs the database a license at all? The database
is nothing
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
The cartographer goes off on a tangent; he does not help us in reaching the
goal of a free world map; he is a *user* of the free world map and not a
*creator*. It is nice if he makes his work available because it allows us
Thank you for your post Frederick!
I've been lurking on this discussion for awhile and you just summed up
exactly my thoughts on it.
Hi,
OJ W wrote:
Currently OSM surveyors do their thing in the understanding that
cartographers will turn the result into something nice that they can
use
OJ W wrote:
If the cartographers then devise a new license that says my
contributions are more important than yours, I should get exclusive
rights over my additions to the map with a paintbrush while you
shouldn't get exclusive rights over your additions to the map with a
GPS then it reduces
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:11:13PM +, OJ W wrote:
Regardless of who they are, why should we give them complete control
over the license? It seems, if they were to decide to for example make
our project PD, neither the OSMF Board, nor the OSMF members, nor anyone
else could do anything
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
Do we want to see the slippy-map tileservers becoming a commercial
battleground for who can make the most money while imposing the most
restrictions, where currently it's a nice easy everything is
CC-BY-SA level
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
SteveC wrote:
I asked the CM designers for some quick hacks on what different
front pages could look like which you can see on the wiki page
below.
Very pretty in a sort of let's-polish-the-CSS way, which isn't a
Hi!
OJ W schrieb:
If anyone who converts map data into a map image is provided with
WTFYW license and gets to choose who is permitted to use, view,
modify, overlay, and copy their images then lots of websites might
decide I paid for hosting and rendering, so only people who agree to
these
Everything is up for debate.
For me, this license change resembles the EULA story with openSuse, see
http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/11/26/opensuse-sports-a-new-license-ding-dong-the-eulas-dead/
and
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/opensuse-ends-eula
At least in Germany, this EULA story
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote:
-- Forwarded message --
From: Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:04:57 +
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] It's all too fast...
To: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
Even
On 03/03/09 18:23, Andy Allan wrote:
We've been talking about the ODbL for a lng time now, way more
than 18 months. It's not completely new. The previous draft was dated
April 2008. If you're new to the discussions, then welcome, but don't
make like the ODbL has never been seen before and
Frederik Ramm wrote:
I have never mapped anything thinking
hey, maybe someone else is going to make a nice map from this that I
can then use. Not one single time. I don't know if that makes me an
exception. Most people I talked to were enthusiastic about the data
being collected, and were
OJ W wrote:
[routing source code]
I saw that as a bit of a loophole in the license which is unfortunate
but rather difficult to close
Ok, that's consistent. Extreme, perhaps, but consistent. But:
[...]
we can just declare that it should meet sharelike standards to
ensure that OSM players
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.netwrote:
On 03/03/09 18:23, Andy Allan wrote:
We've been talking about the ODbL for a lng time now, way more
than 18 months. It's not completely new. The previous draft was dated
April 2008. If you're new to the
- if you decide to delete contributions and those contributions are
only part of the history of objects, do you rollback to a previous
version of these objects ?
Rollback to the last version before any changes incompatible with the
new licence are made.
This could be perhaps optimized: if
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 12:33:56AM +0100, MP wrote:
This could be perhaps optimized: if user A creates some
highway=road, user B changes it to residential and user C changes it
to secondary. A and C agrees to new license, B won't.
But contribution of B was completely removed by C's edit, so it
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