Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look

2013-01-09 Thread Paweł Paprota
On 01/09/2013 03:05 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: My idea of dealing with this complex situation is to: This all sounds nice but has it been done on a scale that OSM needs it to work? Are there large projects that have this kind of organization that you describe? There are dozens of large open

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look

2013-01-09 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 09.01.2013 10:42, schrieb Paweł Paprota: On 01/09/2013 03:05 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: My idea of dealing with this complex situation is to: This all sounds nice but has it been done on a scale that OSM needs it to work? Are there large projects that have this kind of organization that you

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look

2013-01-09 Thread Paweł Paprota
On 01/09/2013 11:17 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: OpenOffice, now part of Apache, is well known, sure - but I think, still more people know Microsoft Office than OpenOffice. I don't think ASF would be happy with you reducing them to OpenOffice :-) They have over a hundred of well-known projects

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look

2013-01-09 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 09.01.2013 11:53, schrieb Paweł Paprota: On 01/09/2013 11:17 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: OpenOffice, now part of Apache, is well known, sure - but I think, still more people know Microsoft Office than OpenOffice. I don't think ASF would be happy with you reducing them to OpenOffice :-) They

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you

2013-01-09 Thread Sylvain Maillard
+1 I totally agree, a few negative are always more visible than a lot of silent positive ! Sylvain 2013/1/9 RB tan...@gmail.com +1 Thank you very much from a silent mapper. On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote: Richard, (All,) I read your

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look

2013-01-09 Thread Paweł Paprota
On 01/09/2013 12:20 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Communication professionals IMHO most often sound like marketing. I did not mean communication professionals but giving more resources to the OSMF's Communication Working Group or similar initiatives. Posting a tweet or a blog post now and then

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you

2013-01-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Yes, and thank you from a unsilent mapper as well. I've said for a long time that there's a small, silent group of folks in OSM that are its heart, that keep it going, both in the technical and practical sense. You are one of those, as is Tom Hughes, Grant Slator, Andy Allen and Matt Amos. You

Re: [OSM-talk] Can Google use our buildings

2013-01-09 Thread Gregory
Why do you want to see outlines autogenerated from aerial imagery, you could just look at the aerial imagery? Going out and getting the address/use details and then adding that to a building outline, now that's helpful added data that you can't get from automation. On 7 January 2013 03:14, Jeff

Re: [OSM-talk] Can Google use our buildings

2013-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com writes: Why do you want to see outlines autogenerated from aerial imagery, you could just look at the aerial imagery? That's not true. For example, when converting to garmin format, buildings render with very few bits, and let you know developed vs

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Paweł Paprota
On 01/09/2013 01:37 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: I may be a grumpy old dinosaur but I don't see how diluting the Openstreetmap brand into the bland broth of proprietary centralized social services that plague the Internet nowadays will bring any value... Simple question then: you go to osm.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 08/01/2013 21:31, Rovastar wrote: My idea is simple can someone add modern social media networks logos/links to the home page. As a member of the OSMF Communications Working Group (CWG), I have perhaps the greatest level of involvement in the various OSM-branded pages/accounts on various

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 09/01/2013 13:43, Paweł Paprota wrote: OSM does have an official Facebook account[1] and official Twitter account ...and an official Google+ page: https://plus.google.com/+OpenStreetMap ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com writes: On 08/01/2013 21:31, Rovastar wrote: My idea is simple can someone add modern social media networks logos/links to the home page. As a member of the OSMF Communications Working Group (CWG), I have perhaps the greatest level of involvement in

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 09/01/2013 13:57, Greg Troxel wrote: Personally, I find it puzzling that open data (and open source) projects are willing to (as projects) use services with bad data policies and bad privacy policies. While I wouldn't advocate that OSMF take a position in the culture battle against such

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 08.01.2013 22:31, Rovastar wrote: Nearly every site now has twitter, facebook, google plus, youtube channel, etc links. We have these social media outlets lets tell people about them. [...] I cannot see any harm in this it would take up very little screen real estate and I think look a more

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Sylvain Maillard
Hi, This idea has been discussed in CWG, and at some point* a mock-up will appear. It's not straightforward because we can't use the standard network-supplied widgets -- they leak information back to those networks, so are an unacceptable risk to mappers' privacy. I'm glad to hear people

Re: [OSM-talk] Can Google use our buildings

2013-01-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Not necessarily. Urban blind people probably want to know where there's likely to be a wall. On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com writes: Why do you want to see outlines autogenerated from aerial imagery, you could just

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Philip Barnes
+1 I too would like OSM to become the goto site for maps and directions. I work in a large office, and to walk down the office and not see google maps on somebodys screen is rare. I do try to promote OSM, or OSRM when asked a where is, how to get to question and try to wean people of google.

Re: [OSM-talk] Thank you

2013-01-09 Thread Pavel Melnikov
+1 Another Thank you from another almost silent mapper ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I share Tobias' and Jean-Marc's dislike of centralized and proprietary social networks and I don't think we should offer free advertising for them (even if that is commonplace nowadays). Like Tobias said, many other things are commonplace (like contributing to Google Map Maker and

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I think it is ok for us to post stuff to Twitter, and I think we should make room for such news on our web page (many web sites have a widget that shows the most recent twitter mentions). I would dislike a follow us on

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Joseph Reeves
Ok, I'll bite... I think this would be missing our audience. If you're illiterate (a group Twitter caters specifically to), what are the odds you're going to be able to make use of a map, much less contribute constructively to OSM? How do illiterate people use Twitter? Do illiterate people have

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 09/01/2013 01:37, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: I may be a grumpy old dinosaur but I don't see how diluting the Openstreetmap brand into the bland broth of proprietary centralized social services that plague the Internet nowadays will bring any value... But that's just my worthless opinion [..]

[OSM-talk] Being more like Wikipedia (was: OpenStreetMap Future Look)

2013-01-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/09/13 13:26, Paweł Paprota wrote: Projects like OSM do not run on fairy dust and rainbows. Yesterday I watched Jimmy Wales (founder of Wikipedia) on The Colbert Report talk show and he was talking about Wikipedia's strategy and budget. They spend nearly 30 million dollars a year on

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread colliar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/01/13 15:18, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 08.01.2013 22:31, Rovastar wrote: Nearly every site now has twitter, facebook, google plus, youtube channel, etc links. We have these social media outlets lets tell people about them. [...] I

Re: [OSM-talk] Being more like Wikipedia

2013-01-09 Thread Paweł Paprota
Frederik, Hundreds of man-years of developer time... and still a person with average computer literacy cannot add a table to an article! Maybe ease-of-use is not a priority for them? I could imagine a lot of arguments against having a full WYSIWYG editor in Wikipedia. Regardless, their

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread John F. Eldredge
Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I'll bite... I think this would be missing our audience. If you're illiterate (a group Twitter caters specifically to), what are the odds you're going to be able to make use of a map, much less contribute constructively to OSM? How do

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Steve Doerr
Twitter- and Facebook-user here, and I look forward to seeing links to those sites on the OSM page. Perhaps a 'Share this map' button alongside the Permalink/Sharelink links (it's basically an extension of the same idea, but saves the effort of doing copy and paste). Steve On 09/01/2013

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Sylvain Maillard
looking at some facts, there are: - 13002 followers on twitter - 4311 likes on facebook page (to be compared at the 200 000 on the google maps page) - ? suscribers on talk@ = on the 1 millions osm user, I'm quite sure (but have no facts) that a lot of people have a facebook account but didn't know

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 09.01.2013 um 15:18 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: On 08.01.2013 22:31, Rovastar wrote: Nearly every site now has twitter, facebook, google plus, youtube channel, etc links. We have these social media outlets lets tell people about them. [...] In my opinion, the most

Re: [OSM-talk] Being more like Wikipedia (was: OpenStreetMap Future Look)

2013-01-09 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: For example, Wikipedia being as well known as it is has lead them to create relevance criteria - you can't create an article on a living person or a geographic feature, for example, unless that person or feature fulfills

[OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi List, If I have a situation (e.g. a 2 level carpark) where a road runs exactly above another road, how do I map this? Currently I used layers but I have found that the way is being deleted by another mapper who sees this as a duplicated way (possibly in keep right). Do I simply need to draw

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Kai Krueger
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote Am 09.01.2013 um 15:18 schrieb Tobias Knerr lt; osm@ gt;: Of course that is an ideological point of view ... However, I would be wary to brush aside ideology completely... I don't mind if people use their favourite social networks to advocate OSM. However, a

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Jo
You can use the layer tag on one of both ways. It probably also needs bridge=yes. Jo 2013/1/9 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com Hi List, If I have a situation (e.g. a 2 level carpark) where a road runs exactly above another road, how do I map this? Currently I used layers but I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Cartinus
Hello, You can simply revert the other mappers changeset or redraw the way, as you mapped it right. Adding a bridge tag would be wrong as there is no bridge. It probably helps to message the other user what you are doing and why. On 01/09/2013 08:38 PM, Jo wrote: You can use the layer tag on

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Jeff Meyer
+1 to JM's request for putting together a plan to gather data. Moral and ethical questions aside, we don't know the value to OSM unless we test. I believe larger sites do things like offer a different home page to different users - e.g. one with these links, and then one without - in an attempt

[OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?

2013-01-09 Thread Jeff Meyer
Is it active? What reports does it generate? Any way to see what it's doing? Thanks! Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 01/09/2013 08:49 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: +1 to JM's request for putting together a plan to gather data. Moral and ethical questions aside, we don't know the value to OSM unless we test. Actually, moral and ethical problems must be defused preemptively - especially within a project that upholds

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Jeff Meyer
+1 to JM's -1's to my +1 comments ; ) On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 01/09/2013 08:49 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: +1 to JM's request for putting together a plan to gather data. Moral and ethical questions aside, we don't know the value to OSM unless

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi, I used the layer tag, but not bridge (as its a carpark not a bridge) but because the way shares nodes with the way one layer down, it seems to be flagged as duplicate and deleted by other mappers. For example, in the following car park, cars enter up the ramp on to level 1. There is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Being more like Wikipedia (was: OpenStreetMap Future Look)

2013-01-09 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 9 January 2013 at 15:53, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'm very much an outsider to Wikimedia but if I look at how much money they have spent on development and how little has changed for the contributing user - adding a table to an article is practically as difficult now as it was five

Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?

2013-01-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/01/13 19:53, Jeff Meyer wrote: Is it active? Yes. What reports does it generate? Everything you see at http://piwik.org/ basically. Any way to see what it's doing? Not really. There are data protection issues that make it impossible to make access generally available. Tom --

Re: [OSM-talk] Being more like Wikipedia

2013-01-09 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 9 January 2013 at 16:15, Paweł Paprota wrote: Frederik, Hundreds of man-years of developer time... and still a person with average computer literacy cannot add a table to an article! Maybe ease-of-use is not a priority for them? I could imagine a lot of arguments

[OSM-talk] Réf.: Re: OpenStreetMap Future Look

2013-01-09 Thread THEVENON Julien
-- Le mer. 9 janv. 2013 13:26 HNEC, Paweł Paprota a écrit : Projects like OSM do not run on fairy dust and rainbows. Yesterday I watched Jimmy Wales (founder of Wikipedia) on The Colbert Report talk show and he was talking about Wikipedia's strategy and budget.

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Cartinus
Hello, The ways should be on top of each other, but they should _not_ share all nodes. Only the nodes at the ends where they connect in the real world should be shared with something. A shared node means something shares the same space in _three_ dimensions and you should be able to route from

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread SomeoneElse
Rob Nickerson wrote: Am I doing something wrong? Is the fixer tool flagging something up incorrectly? In cases such as this I normally say to the other mapper that I was last there on so-and-so date, and when I was last there it looked like X; and ask whether perhaps he's been there more

Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?

2013-01-09 Thread Jeff Meyer
Tom - thanks for the reply. Good to know that it's there. As it is there, how are the reports and data currently used? I take it there's no way to anonymize? (I realize there are plenty of cases where anonymized datasets have been reversed to id individuals.) Thanks, Jeff On Wed, Jan 9, 2013

Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?

2013-01-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/01/13 21:47, Jeff Meyer wrote: Good to know that it's there. As it is there, how are the reports and data currently used? Well a few people have access and will sometimes have a look if somebody asks above what browsers people are using and such like. There is some effort to do some

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Richard Mann
Consider slightly offsetting each level. Add a note saying slightly-offset-from-level-below. Sharing nodes between vertical layers is certainly wrong. Richard On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:31 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Rob Nickerson wrote: Am I doing something wrong? Is

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Can I ask for some clarification on what is meant by sharing nodes. For example, if I draw the layer 0 way, then draw the layer 1 way on top, using the same nodes as a guide, BUT THEN unglue all the nodes by pressing G in JOSM, does this still count as a shared node? Thanks, Rob

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping ways

2013-01-09 Thread Clay Smalley
On Jan 9, 2013 5:03 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: For example, if I draw the layer 0 way, then draw the layer 1 way on top, using the same nodes as a guide, BUT THEN unglue all the nodes by pressing G in JOSM, does this still count as a shared node? That is perfectly valid as

Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?

2013-01-09 Thread Rob Nickerson
Is there any way to pull out the reports that are fine into a document that can be periodically released? Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Rovastar
Firstly, I didn't expect so much conversation on this. I must say I never really though about the closed nature vs open source of OSM conflict. And I am not a facebook user myself (I really dislike the walled garden idea that is facebook) and only joined Twitter to see what it is about, I've not

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Steve Doerr
On 10/01/2013 00:17, Rovastar wrote: Firstly, I didn't expect so much conversation on this. I must say I never really though about the closed nature vs open source of OSM conflict. And I am not a facebook user myself (I really dislike the walled garden idea that is facebook) and only joined

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10.01.2013 01:46, Steve Doerr wrote: I'm really disturbed by the prevalent tone in this thread. What's 'ideology' got to do with OpenStreetMap? After 3+ years of contributing to OSM, have I actually been supporting some crypto-socialist conspiracy that opposes private-property rights,

[OSM-talk] (sans objet)

2013-01-09 Thread Pierre Béland
I propose to have discussions that are more fun for all of us than the ones in the last few days. The International Open Data Hackathon on Feb 23 is an opportunity for OSM developpers and mappers to work together and have fun. We could let people better know OSM and licensing problems we face

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Jeff Meyer
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/01/2013 00:17, Rovastar wrote: Just because I contribute to an 'open' database, does that mean I have to oppose anything that is 'closed' or proprietary?7 That depends on what you think of social welfare

Re: [OSM-talk] Being more like Wikipedia (was: OpenStreetMap Future Look)

2013-01-09 Thread pavithran
On 10 January 2013 02:41, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Scenarios where people are going to get upset over OpenStreetMaps are considerably fewer than ones where people get upset with Wikipedia. (In fact, when people do get upset about maps, they'll usually get upset with Wikipedia

Re: [OSM-talk] Being more like Wikipedia (was: OpenStreetMap Future Look)

2013-01-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'm very much an outsider to Wikimedia but if I look at how much money they have spent on development and how little has changed for the contributing user - adding a table to an article is practically as difficult now as

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Future Look

2013-01-09 Thread Michal Migurski
On Jan 9, 2013, at 4:26 AM, Paweł Paprota wrote: On 01/09/2013 12:20 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Communication professionals IMHO most often sound like marketing. I did not mean communication professionals but giving more resources to the OSMF's Communication Working Group or similar

[OSM-talk] Welcome Working Group meeting tomorrow

2013-01-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, We will be picking up regular meetings for the emerging Welcome Working Group tomorrow at 1900 UTC on #osm-strategic. More info on what we're up to as well as how to join the IRC channel is at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mvexel/Welcome_Working_Group We don't really have a set

[OSM-talk] Happy New Year from MapRoulette!

2013-01-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, We've seen some great progress from MapRoulette users fixing the almost 70,000 connectivity errors in the US. Returning from my Christmas break, they were all but eliminated! Great, but we did not really have the next challenge ready yet. So for now, we expanded the scope of the

Re: [Talk-in] Invitation: Historical OSM Hangout - Asia, Australia, Pacific @ Tue Jan 15 9pm - 10pm (talk-in@openstreetmap.org)

2013-01-09 Thread Sajjad Anwar
I'm game too. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Jeff, I'm in for this. Can you send an invite to my email so that I can add it to my calendar? Thanks. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org wrote: more details

Re: [Talk-it] R: Aggiornamento dati ortografia strade

2013-01-09 Thread Daniele Forsi
Il 03 gennaio 2013 00:53, sabas88 ha scritto: Il giorno 03 gennaio 2013 00:06, Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com ha scritto: molto utile grazie c'è modo di evitare ripetizioni come la seguente (in particolare il cognome ripetuto due volte)? L'avevo notato anche io ma non mi ero posto il

Re: [Talk-it] R: Aggiornamento dati ortografia strade

2013-01-09 Thread sabas88
Il giorno 09 gennaio 2013 21:35, Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com ha scritto: c'è però un altro problema che non capisco se è dovuto ai dati o alla query, in pratica fa il prodotto tra nomi e cognomi di tutti i template nella pagina (es. della persona e quelli delle fonti citate), e non

Re: [Talk-it] Varie Porta Nuova a Milano

2013-01-09 Thread emmexx
Il 01/08/2013 11:15 AM, Simone Saviolo scrisse: Volevo dire outer. Dichiarandole outer, vengono incluse nell'area. Praticamente hai un'area che esclude soltanto le vasche basse che circondano le fontane, il che è sbagliato. Io tra tutti gli outer e inner mi sono un po' perso. Ho modificato le

[Talk-ru] Lighthouses and nautical lights FIXME

2013-01-09 Thread Markus
Dear OSM friends, In Russia there are a lot of ports with a lot of lighthouses and other nautical lights. Please can you help, to move them to the right place? Here you can see the not yet exact placed lights: http://seamark.bplaced.net/lights/?zoom=6lat=72.7145lon=75.479layers=TBTT Here you

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Wegaanpassingen via www.staatscourant.nl

2013-01-09 Thread Gertjan Idema
Ik zit ook al een tijdje in die richting te denken, mede naar aanleiding van mijn ervaringen met BAG data in OSM. Inmiddels ben ik begonnen met een Josm plug-in voor dit doel. De functionaliteit die ik nu heb is als volgt: - Selecteer via het menu (of via een toolbar) een open data verzameling

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Wegaanpassingen via www.staatscourant.nl

2013-01-09 Thread Cartinus
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Snapshot_Server Iets wat vergelijkbaar is met de laatste stap hieronder voor Potlatch2 i.p.v. JOSM. On 01/09/2013 09:50 PM, Gertjan Idema wrote: Ik zit ook al een tijdje in die richting te denken, mede naar aanleiding van mijn ervaringen met BAG data in OSM.

[talk-au] Invitation: Historical OSM Hangout - Asia, Australia, Pacific @ Tue Jan 15 9pm - 10pm (talk-au@openstreetmap.org)

2013-01-09 Thread Jeff Meyer
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Re: [Talk-br] mapas do IBGE e JOSM/PicLayer

2013-01-09 Thread Eduardo Maçan
Os PDFs são georreferenciados sim! Por exemplo, o distrito do Quinzópolis (onde passei minha infância) está neste mapa: ftp://geoftp.ibge.gov.br/mapas_estatisticos/censo_2007/mapa_urbano_estatistico/pr/cartoa1/santa_mariana/f412390710101.pdf os limites são as referências em coordenadas UTM,

Re: [Talk-br] mapas do IBGE e JOSM/PicLayer

2013-01-09 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Legal! Acho que eles poderiam ser bem usados para nomear ruas traçadas pelas imagens do Bing. Agora, não tem as capitais, né? Pelo menos não no Rio de Janeiro: ftp://geoftp.ibge.gov.br/mapas_estatisticos/censo_2007/mapa_urbano_estatistico/rj/cartoa1/ []s 2013/1/9 Eduardo Maçan

Re: [Talk-br] mapas do IBGE e JOSM/PicLayer

2013-01-09 Thread Fabrício Souza
Não compreendi como funciona essa coordenada ou a conversão. Fabrício S. Souza +55 41 9686-4187 http://fabriciosouza.com Em 9 de janeiro de 2013 19:22, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Legal! Acho que eles poderiam ser bem usados para nomear ruas traçadas pelas

Re: [Talk-de] Umstellung auf lanes AA Wittlich-West

2013-01-09 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! Die wichtigsten Sachen hat ja Bernhard schon geschrieben: Anzahl der Spuren am Link ändern, lanes auch auf die Ab-/Auffahrten. Auch wann der lanes-Wert verändert werden sollte hat Bernhard schon richtig angemerkt. Aus dem Artikel über lanes [1]: Falls sich die Anzahl der Fahrstreifen ändert

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert

2013-01-09 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 8. Januar 2013 16:58 schrieb Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu: Nun frag ich mich nur noch, wann das aktualisiert wird, denn das mit dem '/status' scheint ja nicht zu stimmen. Ich habe jedenfalls mal '/dirty' aufgerufen - vielleicht tut sich ja da was. Soweit ich mich erinnern kann, wird die

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert

2013-01-09 Thread Sven Eppler
Ahja klar, jetzt wirds hell. Man sollte natürlich versuchen, den Status des Tiles abzurufen BEVOR man sich das Tile im Browser anschaut. Sonst triggered man im schlimmsten Fall ja schon den Re-Render... Am 08.01.2013, 23:11 Uhr, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 8.

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert

2013-01-09 Thread Sven Geggus
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.83759lon=10.84273zoom=15layers=C werden die Route Horstberg-Kammweg (2668119) [1] und Austberg-Rundweg (1212633) [2] als Fahrradweg markiert obwohl beide Relationen route=hiking gesetzt haben.

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert

2013-01-09 Thread Sven Geggus
Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: network=lcn und route=hiking sind im Konflikt in diesem Fall. Nicht wirklich, die network Sache ist ja prinzipiell auch bei Wanderweegen äquivalent anwendbar. Der Fehler besteht IMO darin, dass die open cycle map[1] hier wohl den Inhalte des route tags

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert

2013-01-09 Thread Michael Krämer
Hallo, Am 9. Januar 2013 10:50 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: network=lcn und route=hiking sind im Konflikt in diesem Fall. Nicht wirklich, die network Sache ist ja prinzipiell auch bei Wanderweegen äquivalent anwendbar. Wobei

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert

2013-01-09 Thread Andreas Tille
Hallo, On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:50:26AM +, Sven Geggus wrote: Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: network=lcn und route=hiking sind im Konflikt in diesem Fall. Nicht wirklich, die network Sache ist ja prinzipiell auch bei Wanderweegen äquivalent anwendbar. Der Fehler besteht

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert

2013-01-09 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 10:57:39AM +0100, Michael Krämer wrote: Wobei meiner Meinung nach die Betonung auf äquivalent liegt. Das c in lcn steht ja für cycling, daher ist es ja eigentlich nur kosequent daraus auf einen Radweg zu schließen. Daher bräuchte es dann konsequenterweise ein lhn für

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert

2013-01-09 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:43:44AM +, Sven Geggus wrote: Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.83759lon=10.84273zoom=15layers=C werden die Route Horstberg-Kammweg (2668119) [1] und Austberg-Rundweg (1212633) [2] als

Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien-Generalisierung

2013-01-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/04/2013 12:11 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: ich habe in der letzten Zeit an einem Verfahren gearbeitet, für eine gut lesbare Darstellung bei niedrigen Vergrößerungen eine Generalisierung der Openstreetmap Küstenlinien-Daten zu produzieren, und zwar in einem automatischen Prozess und

Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien-Generalisierung

2013-01-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 09 January 2013, Frederik Ramm wrote: Interessant! Wie rechenintensiv ist denn dieser Prozess - koennte man damit problemlos jeden Tag fuer jede Zoomstufe weltweit alle Kuestenlinien ausrechnen? 'jede' Zoomstufe ist ja ein etwas dehnbarer Begriff... :-) Ich hab das von Stufe 8

Re: [Talk-de] Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert

2013-01-09 Thread Sven Geggus
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: H, lieber würde ich den Author fragen, ob er den Stil offen legt? Gab's da schon mal eine Anfrage, die ich irgendwo nachlesen kann? AFAIK möchte er das nicht. Ich habe vor langer Zeit mal angefragt ob es nicht möglich wäre tracktypes zu rendern und

[Talk-de] Offenlegung von Stilen (War: Wanderweg als Fahrradweg gerendert)

2013-01-09 Thread Andreas Tille
Hallo Sven, On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 03:01:52PM +, Sven Geggus wrote: Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: H, lieber würde ich den Author fragen, ob er den Stil offen legt? Gab's da schon mal eine Anfrage, die ich irgendwo nachlesen kann? AFAIK möchte er das nicht. Ich habe

Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien-Generalisierung

2013-01-09 Thread Sven Geggus
Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de wrote: ich habe in der letzten Zeit an einem Verfahren gearbeitet, für eine gut lesbare Darstellung bei niedrigen Vergrößerungen eine Generalisierung der Openstreetmap Küstenlinien-Daten zu produzieren, und zwar in einem automatischen Prozess und

Re: [Talk-de] Offenlegung von Stilen

2013-01-09 Thread Sven Geggus
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: IMHO gehört alles was wichtig ist in ein sinnvolles VCS (z.B. ein Git Repository auf einem öffentlichen Server.) Das ist ja bei dem meisten Sachen so. Was als Kartenstil auf osm.org darf ist aber eher schwammig geregelt. Einzige Vorraussetzung ist AFAIK,

Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien-Generalisierung

2013-01-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Wednesday 09 January 2013, Sven Geggus wrote: Inwiefern ist dieses Programm ein Ersatz oder eine Komplettierung des coastline-tools von Jochen Topf? Ich habe eigentlich die Erfahrung gemacht, dass es relativ unproblematisch funktioniert auch auf kleinen Zoomleveln mit den hochaufgelösten

[Talk-de] Verdeckte Kartendaten (durchsuchen)

2013-01-09 Thread tshrub
Hi, kann man das nicht einmal auf die Agenda setzen, dass Renderer große Flächen mit layer=-2 (o. tiefer) auch sozusagen sekundär darstellen, so dass sie nicht beim Kartendaten durchsuchen die ganzen Eintragungen verdecken? Z.B. legen manche Tagger über eine Siedlung großflächig ein

Re: [Talk-de] Verdeckte Kartendaten (durchsuchen)

2013-01-09 Thread Joachim Kast
Du kannst oben links Gebiete ausblenden anklicken, dann sind auch Dinge auswählbar, die unter einem landuse=residential liegen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Küstenlinien-Generalisierung

2013-01-09 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 09.01.2013 um 16:40 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Ich habe eigentlich die Erfahrung gemacht, dass es relativ unproblematisch funktioniert auch auf kleinen Zoomleveln mit den hochaufgelösten Küstenlinien zu arbeiten, das verbraucht IMO keine relvante Rechenzeit. ja, es

Re: [Talk-de] Verdeckte Kartendaten (durchsuchen)

2013-01-09 Thread tshrub
Hallo Joachim, Du kannst oben links Gebiete ausblenden anklicken, dann sind auch Dinge auswählbar, die unter einem landuse=residential liegen. Danke sorry! (janz vergessen, mich mal mit neuen Links zu beschäftigen ...) Gruß, t. ___ Talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Verdeckte Kartendaten (durchsuchen)

2013-01-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 9. Januar 2013 18:33 schrieb tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de: Z.B. legen manche Tagger über eine Siedlung großflächig ein landuse=residential. ja, das ist nicht so schön, weil es auch viel Arbeit macht, das dann hinterher zu verfeinern, ggf. haben andere Mapper schon abweichende

Re: [Talk-de] Verdeckte Kartendaten (durchsuchen)

2013-01-09 Thread tshrub
Hi Martin, ... Meine persönliche Meinung seit Jahren dazu ist, dass es wünschenwert wäre, z.B. Straßen schonmal auszuschließen vom landuse=residential/industrial/commercial/retail etc. (ein landuse=highway o.ä. für wegerechtlich gesicherte Flächen wäre m.E. OK), so dass sich automatisch relativ

Re: [Talk-de] Verdeckte Kartendaten (durchsuchen)

2013-01-09 Thread Harald
Hi t, Am 09.01.2013 21:16, schrieb tshrub: Oder wenn die Häuser einmal alle eingezeichnet sind, erübrigt sich das pauschale landuse=residential und kann entfernt werden. Das finde ich als Nutzer nun wieder nicht so ganz schön, weil man dann in den Zoomstufen mit den wenigen Details die

Re: [Talk-de] Offenlegung von Stilen

2013-01-09 Thread Andreas Tille
Hallo Sven, On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 03:44:35PM +, Sven Geggus wrote: Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: IMHO gehört alles was wichtig ist in ein sinnvolles VCS (z.B. ein Git Repository auf einem öffentlichen Server.) Das ist ja bei dem meisten Sachen so. Was als Kartenstil auf

Re: [Talk-de] Verdeckte Kartendaten (durchsuchen)

2013-01-09 Thread tshrub
Hi, ... ... ...weil man dann in den Zoomstufen mit den wenigen Details die Wohngebiete gar nicht mehr erkennt. Kleinflächig landuse=residential eintragen find' ich ok. ja ok, Danke, G. t. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-co] Datos automatizados y permisos para subir puntos

2013-01-09 Thread Igor TAmara
Se actualizó lo que hay en [1], aproveché para dejarlo en un repositorio de github[2], la idea es que a partir de los puntos se puede trazar una línea que se convierte a un archivo gpx que sería válido para osm(no lo he probado), que se puede usar en JOSM.

[Talk-lt] dėl SNORAS likučių trynimo

2013-01-09 Thread Ričardas
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