Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-08-02 Thread Roger Slevin
Plusbus zones are polygons which are unrelated to the road network - so for Rye it covers a large polygon defined by straight lines linking each pair of adjacent nodes on the source list of defining points. The representation of this along the roads is inappropriate - and certainly not how it

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-08-02 Thread Christoph Böhme
Roger Slevin ro...@slevin.plus.com schrieb: Plusbus zones are polygons which are unrelated to the road network - so for Rye it covers a large polygon defined by straight lines linking each pair of adjacent nodes on the source list of defining points. The representation of this along the

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-08-02 Thread Roger Slevin
Christoph Thanks - if that's the case then I need to look again at the definition of this particular zone I had alerted the people who had created the data a long time ago that it could be defined much more simply. So let me check why this hasn't happened. From memory it should only

Re: [talk-ph] changes of raod types

2009-08-02 Thread anthony . balico
Pardon my ignorance, but how do you classify road types? In the case of Mindanao Ave compared to Quirino Highway, apparently the former is a wider road so i reclassified the. Anthony From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: 08/03/2009 10:06 AM

Re: [talk-ph] changes of raod types

2009-08-02 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I suggest that the tags for highway=trunk,primary,secondary,tertiary,unclassified be considered as a function of traffic patterns and not of DOTC designation nor physical appearance or condition. These values should also be considered relative to local traffic patterns. This means that levels

[OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread Liz
This is a picky little point. Tagging: amenity=doctor remains a proposed feature http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Doctor Proposed features/GP Surgery (tagged as amenity=doctors), which is invalid according to Rejected features. and apparently abandoned

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I expect some equally picky person to tell me that this is not the JOSM talk It's the talk-au list ;) list but before annoying everyone on that list, I thought that which is the preferred tag should be decided. JOSM has numerous tags

[OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Blaž Lorger
Hi, I have noticed intense discussion about changing how roads should be tagged. It seems that some people devised their own way how to apply different values for highway tag and now attempt to force this on everybody. On the other hand some people are attempting to introduce new values for

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: I also propose extending instructions for road classification to use width tag I agree with everything else you wrote except width since I really don't want to get a tape measure out and measure widths of roads, using lanes=* to

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:59 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with everything else you wrote except width since I really don't want to get a tape measure out and measure widths of roads, using lanes=* to estimate widths would be more sensible and is already in use. +1 I

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Blaž Lorger
On Sunday 02 August 2009 10:59:08 John Smith wrote: --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: I also propose extending instructions for road classification to use width tag I agree with everything else you wrote except width since I really don't want to get a tape

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: Unfortunately lanes only specifies number of lanes. In general every road that is not one way has at least 2 lanes, even if it is narrow, say 3.5 meters. Even one way roads can have multiple lanes. Like dual carriage ways :)

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I prefere to add narrow=yes combined with residential or unclassified (or any other) highways. It should be interpreted as between 75% to 50% narrower than the default width of this highway type. +1

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Marc Schütz
Am Sonntag 02 August 2009 11:49:11 schrieb Blaž Lorger: On Sunday 02 August 2009 10:59:08 John Smith wrote: --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: I also propose extending instructions for road classification to use width tag I agree with everything else you

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread James Livingston
On 01/08/2009, at 7:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Well, you can do this, but most routers will try not to use residential roads if there is another way. Maybe things are different over in Europe than here in Australia. My Garmin when using commercial maps and a friend's NavMan are both

Re: [OSM-talk] Title bars (dynamic updating of)

2009-08-02 Thread OJ W
that's easy enough to do It would need to be in rails to go on the main page though, so if any ruby programmer wants to implement it, I can tell them what needs doing? (use the zoom level to choose 3 appropriately-spaced points around the lat/lon, lookup the placenames at each point (optionally

[OSM-talk] Multiple nodes for one country

2009-08-02 Thread Peter Körner
I noticed that for some countries there seems to be more than one node. E.g. for Slovakia there are 5: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/424313572 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/432425079 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/424315420

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:03 PM, James Livingstondoc...@mac.com wrote: If we ignore the Australian tagging guidelines, what should we use for roads that are the same as residential ones but in an industrial area? According to the wiki, unclassified roads are wider than residential ones, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Title bars (dynamic updating of)

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: You have to make some assumptions about screen size though - 50.5,-0.2 @z11 on a mobile phone might be 'central london', while the same query on Al Gore's array of monitors might be 'europe' Can't you get screen resolution and then

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Blaž Lorger
On Sunday 02 August 2009 11:49:06 Pieren wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:59 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with everything else you wrote except width since I really don't want to get a tape measure out and measure widths of roads, using lanes=* to estimate widths

Re: [OSM-talk] Title bars (dynamic updating of)

2009-08-02 Thread Tom Hughes
On 02/08/09 11:06, OJ W wrote: It would need to be in rails to go on the main page though, so if any ruby programmer wants to implement it, I can tell them what needs doing? (use the zoom level to choose 3 appropriately-spaced points around the lat/lon, lookup the placenames at each point

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple nodes for one country

2009-08-02 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Peter Körnerpe...@mazdermind.de wrote: I noticed that for some countries there seems to be more than one node. E.g. for Slovakia there are 5: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/424313572 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/432425079

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: Specifying actual or at least estimated width is only way to ensure that data is universally usable. I guess heavy truck driver would not be amused when navigation system would direct him in 3m wide residential street, while

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Blaž Lorger
On Sunday 02 August 2009 11:57:12 John Smith wrote: --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: Unfortunately lanes only specifies number of lanes. In general every road that is not one way has at least 2 lanes, even if it is narrow, say 3.5 meters. Even one way roads

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Blaž Lorgerblaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: Wiki clearly states why tag narrow=yes would be a bad idea (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:width#Using_relative_sizes). Basically, what is wide for bicycle is narrow for a car, what is wide for a car is narrow

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: Main point here is to identify narrow roads. This is where road width matters the most. It is obvious that narrow roads will have 2 lanes. Unfortunately, those lanes will be narrow (2m or less). So number of lanes will in no

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Liz
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Pieren wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:03 PM, James Livingstondoc...@mac.com wrote: If we ignore the Australian tagging guidelines, what should we use for roads that are the same as residential ones but in an industrial area? According to the wiki, unclassified roads

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/1 James Stewart j.k.stew...@ed.ac.uk: Classifying roads in central asia, it is easier, and makes more sense in my opinion to use the highway ref in the administrative sense. Some countries or regions have 5 or 6 main roads with are the national trunk system. In places they are almost

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Liz
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: I also propose extending instructions for road classification to use width tag I agree with everything else you wrote except width since I really don't want to get a tape measure out and

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Blaž Lorger
On Sunday 02 August 2009 12:36:48 Pieren wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Blaž Lorgerblaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: Wiki clearly states why tag narrow=yes would be a bad idea (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:width#Using_relative_sizes). Basically, what is wide for bicycle is

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/1 Christiaan Welvaart c...@daneel.dyndns.org: On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: It seems to be an interpretation problem for the phrase 'administrave class' then because I clearly argued that who is the maintainer of the road should not directly influence the value of the

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/2 Liz ed...@billiau.net: So the question is: is there anything about a road inside an industrial or commercial area which would be important inside a renderer or a routing engine and is different to a residential road? yes. A residential road should be avoided if possible (slow,

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Blaž Lorgerblaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: Let's see: 1. There is no clear definition what is narrow. 2. There is no specification for default width of road type. 3. If narrow=yes is not applied everywhere where it should be it is equally useful/useless as with

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes. A residential road should be avoided if possible (slow, dangerous and noisy for residents / playing kids) Add for cars. It could be the opposite for cycling as it is writen here:

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/2 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes. A residential road should be avoided if possible (slow, dangerous and noisy for residents / playing kids) Add for cars. It could be the opposite for cycling as it is

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Blaž Lorger
On Sunday 02 August 2009 14:40:09 Pieren wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Blaž Lorgerblaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: Let's see: 1. There is no clear definition what is narrow. 2. There is no specification for default width of road type. 3. If narrow=yes is not applied everywhere where

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/2 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: list but before annoying everyone on that list, I thought that which is the preferred tag should be decided. JOSM has numerous tags that aren't official Speaking of which, can anyone think of a better way to put aren't listed on the map

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread Ulf Lamping
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: 2009/8/2 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: list but before annoying everyone on that list, I thought that which is the preferred tag should be decided. JOSM has numerous tags that aren't official Speaking of which, can anyone think of a better way to put

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/2 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Well, when I introduced doctors in JOSMs mappaint (and Christoph to the Presets), there was a clear majority of doctors and not doctor. If people use the term doctors, we shouldn't force them to use doctor just to fit some guideline (not rule)

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread Cartinus
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-February/034241.html -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/2 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-February/034241.html unfortunately the action taken didn't help to improve consistency and since Feb the number increased from 1700 to 2700. cheers, Martin ___

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread Ulf Lamping
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: 2009/8/2 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Well, when I introduced doctors in JOSMs mappaint (and Christoph to the Presets), there was a clear majority of doctors and not doctor. If people use the term doctors, we shouldn't force them to use doctor just to

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Because it *IS IN USE* otherwise. It takes very little time to do such a mass change on nodes. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] tag:amenity=doctor

2009-08-02 Thread Nic Roets
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.comwrote: If people use the term doctors, we shouldn't force them to use doctor just to fit some guideline (not rule) in the wiki. IMHO you should change the wiki. rantIt's much to easy for an newbie to change something on

[OSM-talk] [Announcement] talk-alps - European Alps mailing list

2009-08-02 Thread Mike Collinson
There is now a talk-alps mailing list. This is for mapping parties, topics and general discussion for anyone mapping in the European Alps. This is experiment for a multi-language list for discussion in Italian, French, German, Slovenian, Romanche and, oh, may be English too. If it does not

Re: [OSM-talk] SoC 2009 - static maps API - prototype version

2009-08-02 Thread Paweł Niechoda
Hi all According to feedback I recived I have add some new featurs to static API. So now there is a better way of controlling how drawings are drawn (transparence, thickness, color could be defined for each object separately, there is a way to put image onto the map). It is also possible to put

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announcement] talk-alps - European Alps mailing list

2009-08-02 Thread Ciprian Talaba
I'm in the Alps right now (summer vacation), mapping Westendorf, Austria :) Anyone around here? --Ciprian On 8/2/09, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: There is now a talk-alps mailing list. This is for mapping parties, topics and general discussion for anyone mapping in the European

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announcement] talk-alps - European Alps mailing list

2009-08-02 Thread Marc Coevoet
Ciprian Talaba schreef: I'm in the Alps right now (summer vacation), mapping Westendorf, Austria :) Anyone around here? Well, I found out this weekend: Maps of Austria, Switzerland, Germany ... for free, oh well, by the russian site: http://www.topomaps.eu/europe/ some 1/100.000 to

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: lots of things sound bad, but we need more than feel good answers to make good maps. So the question is: is there anything about a road inside an industrial or commercial area which would be important inside a renderer or a routing

[OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM satellite?

2009-08-02 Thread Patrick Aljord
http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/01/interorbital-syatems-tubesat-personal-satellite-kit/ From the article: Total Price of the TubeSat Kit including a Launch to Orbit is $8,000! ... Examples of add-on experiments or functions include the following: ▼ Earth-from-space video imaging ▼ Earth

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple nodes for one country

2009-08-02 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi Peter, I don't think anybody has a reason to object to merging them. At least me and User:Mala have been merging some of these nodes last week and we got no blackmail so far :) I believe we went through all the country nodes which didn't have a name:pl= or name:it= assigned yet so out of your

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Furthermore industrial areas are built according to standards that allow easy use with trucks, while in residential areas you will more often have smaller streets and straighter curves, which will cause problems to big trucks. That does not

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM satellite?

2009-08-02 Thread Marc Coevoet
Patrick Aljord schreef: http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/01/interorbital-syatems-tubesat-personal-satellite-kit/ From the article: Total Price of the TubeSat Kit including a Launch to Orbit is $8,000! ... You can try the quadcopter too..

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple nodes for one country

2009-08-02 Thread Peter Körner
andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Hi Peter, I don't think anybody has a reason to object to merging them. At least me and User:Mala have been merging some of these nodes last week and we got no blackmail so far :) I believe we went through all the country nodes which didn't have a name:pl= or

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Blaž Lorgerblaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: To my knowledge there is no such thing as usual highway width. There are certain standards for width of newly built roads, but those usually increase over time, which means you will be forced to periodically reevaluate

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Roy Wallace
And by the way, the Key:width wiki page is horrible and could do with a rework after this discussion. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM satellite?

2009-08-02 Thread OJ W
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Marc Coevoetsintsix...@gmail.com wrote: You can try the quadcopter too.. how would launching a quadcopter into orbit help? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Nationnal websites

2009-08-02 Thread Vincent MEURISSE
Hi, I'm trying to build a list of the national osm websites available. Here is the list I ended with : Domains with content: http://www.openstreetmap.org http://www.openstreetmap.ch http://www.openstreetmap.cl http://www.openstreetmap.cz http://www.openstreetmap.de http://www.openstreetmap.es

Re: [OSM-talk] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
/moved this discussion to another thread as it is not about the topic in the headline/ 2009/8/2 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Furthermore industrial areas are built according to standards that allow easy use with trucks, while in residential

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM satellite?

2009-08-02 Thread Michael Kugelmann
Patrick Aljord schrieb: http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/01/interorbital-syatems-tubesat-personal-satellite-kit/ From the article: Total Price of the TubeSat Kit including a Launch to Orbit is $8,000! ... The article also says: It has three-quarters of the mass (0.75-kg) and

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Blaž Lorgerblaz.lor...@triera.net wrote: To my knowledge there is no such thing as usual highway width. There are certain standards for width of newly built roads, but those usually

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple nodes for one country

2009-08-02 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 02/08/2009, Peter Koerner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Hi Peter, I don't think anybody has a reason to object to merging them. At least me and User:Mala have been merging some of these nodes last week and we got no blackmail so far :) I believe we went

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/3 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Again, width is not less subjective because it is always estimated (deprecating est_width just hides this point), actually according to the German ML there is some guys around with laser-distos to measure the real width. it is missing in most of the

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-08-02 Thread Ulf Mehlig
Replying to my own email ... I tried to revert the changesets again, via ssh from a server with much faster internet connection ... on second try revert.pl terminated without an error message now, but the ways of the respective changesets are still there when I download parts of the area in JOSM;

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-08-02 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 2 Aug 2009, at 23:26, Ulf Mehlig wrote: Replying to my own email ... I tried to revert the changesets again, via ssh from a server with much faster internet connection ... on second try revert.pl terminated without an error message now, but the ways of the respective changesets are

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that the width of what we consider unclassified roads will double in the next century. Nevertheless, anything referring to what we consider is more variable across time and people than the length of a metre. I never

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-08-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ulf Mehlig wrote: I tried to revert the changesets again, via ssh from a server with much faster internet connection ... on second try revert.pl terminated without an error message now, but the ways of the respective changesets are still there when I download parts of the area in JOSM;

Re: [OSM-talk] revert.pl

2009-08-02 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/8/2 Ulf Mehlig ulf.meh...@gmx.net: I tried to revert two large changesets of mine (double import of municipal borders in Pará/north Brazil due to a local network problem) via revert.pl (fresh from svn); in the middle of the reversal process, I got the message GET

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM satellite?

2009-08-02 Thread Ulf Lamping
OJ W schrieb: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Marc Coevoetsintsix...@gmail.com wrote: You can try the quadcopter too.. how would launching a quadcopter into orbit help? That's a small step for openstreetmap, one giant leap for quadcopters ;-) Regards, ULFL

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/3 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Certainly it would be even more useful, if there was a definition how to measure (inside road marking, complete with pavement, does the lateral paved area outside the

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-02 Thread David Lynch
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 06:56, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/2 Liz ed...@billiau.net: So the question is: is there anything about a road inside an industrial or commercial area which would be important inside a renderer or a routing engine and is different to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM satellite?

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de wrote: The article also says:   It has three-quarters of the mass (0.75-kg) and volume of a CubeSat = quite small and the capacity will not be suficcient for appropriate lens/camera. And I'm shure it is not 3 axis

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM s atellite?

2009-08-02 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:29:19 + (GMT), John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de wrote: The article also says:   It has three-quarters of the mass (0.75-kg) and volume of a CubeSat = quite small and the capacity will not be

[OSM-talk] Help Deleting Changeset

2009-08-02 Thread Ian Dees
Hi everyone, I was looking at importing some cemetery borders from Iowa today. I did the SHP-OSM conversion and fired up JOSM and started uploading. At the end, JOSM gave me an error saying that the server returned a 500 error code, so I gave up and went about my business. Fast forward to just

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM satellite?

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: But it can also result in an OpenLunaMap :D You'd also get a star map too ;) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Help Deleting Changeset

2009-08-02 Thread Lennard
Ian Dees wrote: I downloaded the osmChange file from [1], changed all the create to delete and tried to upload it with JOSM. JOSM says there's no data to upload. I would think you'd have to open a new changeset and upload the osmChange directly to the API, not from JOSM. PS: Why did you

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging roads

2009-08-02 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Tag the width of the surface on which users of the way are expected to travel. I agree and would like to add: and that is not constricted in the full usable height I think the maxheight tag should be used here.

Re: [OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM s atellite?

2009-08-02 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:47:23 + (GMT), John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: But it can also result in an OpenLunaMap :D You'd also get a star map too ;) Hubble go home, I have a compact cam :D -- Brgds

Re: [OSM-talk] Help Deleting Changeset

2009-08-02 Thread Ian Dees
(Sorry, should have reply-all'd): On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: I would think you'd have to open a new changeset and upload the osmChange directly to the API, not from JOSM. How would I go about doing that? I suppose I could use curl or something similar, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Help Deleting Changeset

2009-08-02 Thread Lennard
Ian Dees wrote: How would I go about doing that? I suppose I could use curl or something similar, but is there a better way? If you can run perl scripts, have a look at: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/utils/revert -- Lennard

[OSM-talk-nl] een amsterdam zonder keep right issues - bijna dan

2009-08-02 Thread Rejo Zenger
Hi, Ik heb de laatste paar weken gewerkt aan het wegwerken van Keep Right issues binnen de A10 ring van Amsterdam. Dat is best gelukt, er zijn nog wat dingen die ik niet kan oplossen zonder er langs te fietsen of omdat ik domweg niet weet hoe ik het moet oplossen. Op dit moment zijn er geen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] een amsterdam zonder keep right issues - bijna dan

2009-08-02 Thread Rejo Zenger
++ 02/08/09 21:26 +0200 - Stefan de Konink: - Er is een issue voor ways without nodes, zie [2]. Geen idee hoe dat gedaan hoort te worden. Een way over de area's? Iets anders? Iemand? Die kunnen we wel handigmatig fixen. Spelen op meer locaties. Kleine verwarring van mijn zijde. Die ways

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: move the coral sea islands  ;-) Actually there was no state place tag for Queensland, I've added one since, and the tiles will update sooner or later. I also moved the ACT tag, it was going over the top of Canberra, also Canberra was being

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
I updated the rendering to show all villages, towns and cities and now the map is a lot more cluttered to the point of too much clutter, I think I'll make villages render at a higher zoom, not sure about towns. ___ Talk-au mailing list

[talk-au] location tagging

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
Up until recently, that is today, I was tagging regional centres as place=city, however it might be worth while tagging this as place=regional_centre, or tagging them correctly and adding regional_centre=yes However I haven't figured out the zoom levels and how it relates to metres per pixel

Re: [talk-au] location tagging

2009-08-02 Thread Liz
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Up until recently, that is today, I was tagging regional centres as place=city, however it might be worth while tagging this as place=regional_centre, or tagging them correctly and adding regional_centre=yes Wilkipedia has a list of australian cities, as

Re: [talk-au] location tagging

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Wilkipedia has a list of australian cities, as determined by the administrative bodies. So if the State determined list of cities says it is a city, then it is. Even though we just don't have a million people in each. That doesn't help with

Re: [talk-au] Draft: Looking for a mapstyle quote

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
Forgot to mention can I get URLs of what people expect a map to look like, I don't want to get into the whole copyright infringment thing, but links to other people that have won't be our problem. eg http://www.bilbys.org/session/maps/ubd_sat_ride.jpg While something like that would be nice,

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
I just tweaked things to show traffic lights at zoom levels 15-18, are there any other tags not being rendered that people would want to see on a map? eg speed camera? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread b . schulz . 10
Are amenity=bench and amenity=bbq being rendered? I don't think there are many of these around but if they're rendered hopefully people will bother to tag them. - Original Message - From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [talk-au]

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread b . schulz . 10
Oh, and is it easy to increase the font size on the suburb (locality?) names? I think they appear at z10 but they're *way* too small to read. Rendering the town names at lower zoom levels looks really good by the way. - Original Message - From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Date:

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread Ashley Kyd
Hey, amenity=bbq would be an useful one. railway=platform would be a nice one as well. If you can come up with a style (I'd suggest one that renders exactly the same way as highway=footway;area=yes,) you can probably even submit it for inclusion in the main OSM render. :) If you're interested,

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread James Livingston
On 02/08/2009, at 8:20 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: amenity=bbq being rendered? Does anyone know if how to tag those has been discusses before? Australia seems to contain about an equal number of amenity=bbq and amenity=barbeque, with a handful of amenity=barbecue thrown in. There are

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Are amenity=bench and amenity=bbq being rendered? I don't think there are many of these around but if they're rendered hopefully people will bother to tag them. Any graphic suggestions?

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread Ashley Kyd
David Dean, Hughbris, and I had a discussion on IRC recently, and decided that amenity=bbq is the best. It's the easiest to spell, and least ambiguous because both barbecue and barbeque are acceptable spellings depending on locality. Additionally, David proposed that the additional tag

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Oh, and is it easy to increase the font size on the suburb (locality?) names? I think they appear at z10 but they're *way* too small to read. Rendering the town names at lower zoom levels looks really good by the

[talk-au] Zoom levels

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
I finally figured out what the zoom levels equate to in metres per pixel, although it's probably 100ths or 1000ths of metres per pixel judging by z18. z0 = 313774583-627549167 z1 = 156887291-313774583 z2 = 78443645-156887291 z3 = 39221822-78443645 z4 = 19610911-39221822 z5 = 9805455-19610911 z6

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, cam_...@fastmail.fm cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.075996lon=150.803651zoom=18layers=B000FTFT Same thing with BBQ's showing. http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=18lat=-34.07608lon=150.8037layers=B Just need an icon for benches. Also

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread Darrin Smith
John Smith wrote: --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote: Why remove suburb boundaries? Because they aren't suburb boundaries, they're ABS boundaries. In 95% of cases they're close enough, are you going to throw out the baby with the bath water and dispose of the

Re: [talk-au] Australian Rendering

2009-08-02 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Darrin Smith bel...@beldin.org wrote: In 95% of cases they're close enough, are you going to throw out the baby with the bath water and dispose of the cases where people have adjusted them to be correct? Even in the places where they aren't they're the closest we're

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