Re: [Talk-transit] pay_scale_area

2009-08-14 Thread Jochen Topf
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 02:57:29PM +0100, Dave F. wrote: The pay_scale_area gas just been added around my home town. The boundary, thankfully, doesn't show up, but unfortunately the name label does in Mapnik. Can this be amended to it _doesn't_ display? Thats a long-standing problem with

Re: [Talk-transit] Trolley bus overhead wires

2009-08-14 Thread Alex S.
Frankie Roberto wrote: Maybe this calls for a Trolleybus project? :-) Washington's King County Metro runs trolley buses as a major portion* of their Public Transit infrastructure within Seattle. Plus, they run dual-power buses (part of the route is run with diesel power, part with overhead

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Parking garage entrances

2009-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Andrew MacKinnonandrew...@gmail.com wrote: I am wondering about how pedestrian and car entrances to parking garages should be tagged. highway=footway if you're talking about a path for people to walk on Each is located underneath an outdoor playing field

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-14 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 13 Aug 2009, at 22:07, Liz wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Nick Black wrote: I'm proposing having an open call on Monday 17th August at 6pm BST at which anyone interested can talk through their comments or concerns, as we did in Amsterdam during SOTM. I know that this is short notice

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal surface=gravel; concrete; dirt; grass

2009-08-14 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:31:38AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ... and it is NOT assumed surface=paved. .. we don't ASSUME :)  .. instead we have If no other values of surface is listed, the default value is surface=paved ... but actually, it should be surface=undefined, as the

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-14 Thread Jochen Topf
Hi! I don't mind if anybody wants to have a phone conversation on things. Just keep in mind that most interested people will not be on that phone call and that all the discussions have to be repeated on this list or on the wiki for the benefit of those of us not on the call. Jochen On Thu, Aug

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-14 Thread Jochen Topf
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 07:56:11PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Stefan de Konink wrote: For this legal reason Stichting Vrijschrift or Stichting OpenGeo could never apply. Hence there are no 30 members and even with 30 contributors their is no democratic saying on anything. I think this

Re: [OSM-talk] Country-specific defaults/values (was: R e: Proliferation of path vs. footway)

2009-08-14 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Roy Wallace waldo00 at gmail.com writes: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Tobias Knerrosm at tobias-knerr.de wrote: David Earl wrote: If cycleway does mean something different in Germany than it means in UK, why do we try to use the same tag/value in the first place? Why don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 14/8/09, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: I don't mind if anybody wants to have a phone conversation on things. Just keep in mind that most interested people will not be on that phone call and that all the discussions have to be repeated on this list or on the wiki for the

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
Erik Lundin schrieb: I think there's a good point of having the redundancy of name:xx tags even when it is the same as the name tag, because that makes the translated names more safe. For the Swedish translations I saw several names that were marked as OK even though they weren't

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
Micha Ruh schrieb: Hallo Peter! Ich habe ein paar Übersetzungen mit Hilfe deines sehr gelungenen Tools und Wikipedia erstellt. Dabei ist mir bei der Sprache der traditionellen chinesischen Schriftzeichen eine Inkonsistenz zwischen Deinem Tool und Wikipedia aufgefallen: Es werden

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
Roy writes: If footway/cycleway is fuzzy in terms of current usage (and I believe it is), then +1. But I would personally prefer that designated mean signed. This stays true to mapping what is on the ground, and separates legal issues from geographical/physical features, as others have

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
The problem is that some of us follow the wiki advice re designated= which was developed after a lot of discussion in this group! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated Designated= does not mean signed. Signed= could of course be an additional tag - so long as we know what

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
Not that I would suggest that we emulate the Ordnance Survey (;) - but in England and Wales the OS map is currently the only readily accessible map that tells normal walkers, cyclists and riders where they may go. Bear in mind we have no 'jokamiehenoikeus'/'allmannsrät' in this country, i.e. in

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
Good idea - but can we do it simply by adding the stub of a way at the relevant point? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Morten Kjeldgaard [mailto:m...@bioxray.au.dk] Sent: 13 August 2009 23:34 To: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs? I realized when mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
+1 Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Nop [mailto:ekkeh...@gmx.de] Sent: 13 August 2009 23:43 To: Roy Wallace Cc: talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway Hi! Roy Wallace schrieb: If footway/cycleway is fuzzy in terms of current usage (and I believe it

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
... That is current practice - there is no implication of exclusivity only that a legal right of use exists for a class of users. A restricted byway in England and Wales is for example, foot=designated, horse=designated, bicycle=designated (as there are legal rights for all non-motorised traffic);

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
'gewidmet' does best translate as 'dedicated' - but in English law that is something different to 'designated' (at least as 'designated' is defined on the wiki). In practice, 'dedicated' can mean the process by which something becomes 'designated' (in this context) OR it can mean a path that a

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag official_name ? (was Multilingual Country-List)

2009-08-14 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:56:03 +0200, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:08 AM, andrzej zaborowskibalr...@gmail.com wrote: The instructions at the top of the pages could also mention the official_name:* tags - I don't know if these are approved in any way but I found they

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: highway=footway (not suitable) bicycle=dedicated (signed) A footway for cycling is not a valid combination to me. why not? In Germany: sign footway + additional sign: Fahrräder frei That's yes, not designated. Silly question, maybe: but, what does yes actually

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-14 Thread Marc Schütz
You seem to be implying that increasing the amount of data in OSM is a bad thing??? Increasing the amount of _implicit_ data surely is. There are good reasons, why putting implicit data into databases is usually avoided. Of course, llama access restrictions probably aren't a top priority,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway]

2009-08-14 Thread Marc Schütz
The core issue here (that I believe we agree on) is that if tags have inconsistent implications, they must be made explicit. Absolutely true: explicit in the wiki ;-) I don't think the wiki is a good place for that. Keep in mind that these defaults would be nice to have in a

[OSM-talk] designated shared cyclepath

2009-08-14 Thread Liz
http://twitpic.com/djyxb This is Ash Kyd's photo, and I'm not sure if he's on this list. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Nick Whitelegg
I would prefer that designated does not infer exclusively designated, so that it's possible to have bicycle=designated as well as foot=designated on a shared pathway (signed with a picture of a person and a picture of a bicycle). Agree here. UK bridleways for instance should have foot=designated;

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
Marc Schütz schrieb: What is the opinion for translations that are the same in other languages? For instance: Andorra is Andorra in a lot of languages. Do you add a translation even though the translation is the same as the original name? Maarten No, just mark it as ok. If there's an

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Nop
Hi! Nick Whitelegg schrieb: I would prefer that designated does not infer exclusively designated, so that it's possible to have bicycle=designated as well as foot=designated on a shared pathway (signed with a picture of a person and a picture of a bicycle). Agree here. UK bridleways for

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: The problem is that some of us follow the wiki advice re designated= which was developed after a lot of discussion in this group! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated If it ain't broke don't fix it? IMHO it IS BROKEN. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. August 2009 13:34 schrieb Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: I understand your concerns when looking at the country-level, but what should we do on the city-level? add the name of all cities in all languages as a translation? Or: what should we do with the languages that are not

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 14. August 2009 13:34 schrieb Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: I understand your concerns when looking at the country-level, but what should we do on the city-level? add the name of all cities in all languages as a translation? Or: what should we do with

Re: [OSM-talk] Status of the Local Chapter working group

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: Hi! I don't mind if anybody wants to have a phone conversation on things. Just keep in mind that most interested people will not be on that phone call and that all the discussions have to be repeated on this list or on the wiki for the benefit

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcemen: Multilingual Country-List

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 14. August 2009 13:34 schrieb Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: I understand your concerns when looking at the country-level, but what should we do on the city-level? add the name of all cities in all

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk: Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: highway=footway (not suitable) bicycle=dedicated (signed) A footway for cycling is not a valid combination to me. why not? In Germany: sign footway + additional sign: Fahrräder frei That's yes, not

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: Alternatively we could mark places already mapped, using stickers in annoying colours that you'd carry in rolls. That's really a cool idea. On the sticker there could be some advertising for the project (this street has been mapped in

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
Tend to agree in part - I think the 'official' bit is actually redundant? Would this improve the page? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 August 2009 12:54 To: Mike Harris Cc: Jukka Rahkonen; talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Country-specific defaults/values (was: Re: Proliferation of path vs. footway)

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi: First of all we need to get rid of all the fuzzy traffic signs broadcasted all over the world, like this http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:Py%C3%B6r%C3%A4tie_422.svg and this

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal surface=gravel; concrete; dirt; grass

2009-08-14 Thread Blaž Lorger
On Friday 14 August 2009 00:31:38 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/13 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: surface earth Probably the same as surface=ground should be change to the same as surface=dirt yes, clean up a little bit: dirt, mud, earth, ground seem all the same to me (I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-14 Thread Shaun McDonald
Mappers have in the past put in stubs with a few nodes tailing off, to state that there is something here that needs to be surveyed further. Shaun On 14 Aug 2009, at 09:52, Mike Harris wrote: Good idea - but can we do it simply by adding the stub of a way at the relevant point? Mike Harris

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal surface=gravel; concrete; dirt; grass

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net: I usually tag paved road segment adjacent to unpaved road segment as paved. Otherwise it is all too easy to combine road segments without any warning from editor. I often do the same, if I got the impression that it is not completely clear from the

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal surface=gravel; concrete; dirt; grass

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:31:38AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: type of ways - I see a lot of bloat coming when people start tagging        access = yes        bicycle = yes        foot = yes        layer = 0        maxspeed = 30        

[OSM-talk] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009

2009-08-14 Thread Grant Slater
OSM, Next weekend, 22nd/23rd August OpenStreetMap's main servers will be unavailable due to electrical maintenance works at University College London. www.openstreetmap.org [1] and the API will be unavailable during this period from approximately 5am GMT Saturday August 22nd until 10pm GMT

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Norbäck
When I have seen unmapped roads, I've put a small stub and on the end node of that stub I've put todo=continues as a tag. What would be great was if this tag (or another one like it) could be rendered on the map with ellipsis or whatever. That helps both the mapper, who then knows where to start

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs

2009-08-14 Thread Joseph Scanlan
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Martin Norbäck wrote: Another good tag would be todo=estimated for roads that are not properly surveyed, but only estimated. How about source=estimated? -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk: On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 13:08 +0200, Nick Whitelegg wrote: [In Norway you can legally cycle on footways; in England you can't] Using the designated value appropriately would work with both. In England, tag with highway=path (or track);

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal surface=gravel; concrete; dirt; grass

2009-08-14 Thread Renaud MICHEL
Le vendredi 14 août 2009 à 15:02, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : but IMHO it is an error in the editors not to warn you, if tags are added in a combine-action (not only on contradictory tags should warn). I already filed a trac-ticket for JOSM some time ago. +1 I've had the problem some month

[OSM-talk] (reply/forward) Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009

2009-08-14 Thread Marc Coevoet
www.openstreetmap.org [1] and the API will be unavailable during this period from approximately 5am GMT Saturday August 22nd until 10pm GMT Sunday August 23rd. Please pass this message onto the local OSM lists. 1: www.openstreetmap.org will be replaced by a simple notice website during

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM status POIs?

2009-08-14 Thread Konrad Skeri
I'm using highway=road stubs with a fixme=continuation tag. Both show up in validators so they get attention if anyone is there mapping. See e.g. http://osm.org/go/0eHp_Ibf-?layers=0B00FTF Konrad ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Cyclelane on left/right

2009-08-14 Thread Konrad Skeri
Are there any progress on the left/right situation on cycleway=lane/track that are only on one side of the street? I've seen the proposal of e.g. cycleway:left, but as far as I know it's only a proposal and I can see the problem of using such sub-keys. Is there a system that is rendered?

[OSM-talk] DraganFly RC helicopters

2009-08-14 Thread Erik Lundin
I know RC helicopters as potential aerial photo source has been discussed before, but today I read about some helicopter from DraganFly and didn't find anything about them on the lists. They seem to be very interesting for our purposes. http://www.draganfly.com/ /Erik

Re: [OSM-talk] Cyclelane on left/right

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com: Are there any progress on the left/right situation on cycleway=lane/track that are only on one side of the street? yes, there is a solution for cycleway=track. Map it separately and tag highway=cycleway. track can be considered deprecated ;-) cheers,

Re: [OSM-talk] DraganFly RC helicopters

2009-08-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
Erik Lundin schreef: I know RC helicopters as potential aerial photo source has been discussed before, but today I read about some helicopter from DraganFly and didn't find anything about them on the lists. They seem to be very interesting for our purposes. http://www.draganfly.com/

Re: [OSM-talk] Cyclelane on left/right

2009-08-14 Thread Norbert Hoffmann
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/14 Konrad Skeri kon...@skeri.com: Are there any progress on the left/right situation on cycleway=lane/track that are only on one side of the street? yes, there is a solution for cycleway=track. Map it separately and tag highway=cycleway. track can be

Re: [OSM-talk] DraganFly RC helicopters

2009-08-14 Thread SLXViper
Stefan de Cronin wrote Erik Lundin schreef: I know RC helicopters as potential aerial photo source has been discussed before, but today I read about some helicopter from DraganFly and didn't find anything about them on the lists. They seem to be very interesting for our purposes.

Re: [OSM-talk] DraganFly RC helicopters

2009-08-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SLXViper schreef: This won't happen if you develop your own one ;) We started with two and half Mikrokopter; the arrogance that we have faced in that project. Unbelievable. Now we are facing something real; Quadcopters are relatively great for in

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Nick Whiteleggnick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Silly question, maybe: but, what does yes actually mean? Everyone seems to use it differently; it was intended originally for a legal right but in practice has been used in a range of scenarios. In this

Re: [OSM-talk] DraganFly RC helicopters

2009-08-14 Thread SLXViper
Stefan de Konink wrote: SLXViper schreef: This won't happen if you develop your own one ;) We started with two and half Mikrokopter; the arrogance that we have faced in that project. Unbelievable. Additionally, mikrokopter has quite a lot of design flaws. Rather low-power brushless motors

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: To me, cycleway means path, designated means signed, and bicycle=yes means it's suitable for bikes. So if you have a path that is suitable for a bicycle but does not have a sign with a bicycle, I would use highway=path

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Mike Harrismik...@googlemail.com wrote: Tend to agree in part - I think the 'official' bit is actually redundant? Would this improve the page? I'm not sure you'd be successful in removing 'official' altogether, but I think it could do with some clarification,

Re: [OSM-talk] DraganFly RC helicopters

2009-08-14 Thread Erik Lundin
I don't really understand what you mean by open source here. If you buy an RC helicopter, aren't you free to do whatever you want with it? /Erik Stefan de Konink skrev: If you want to go Quadcopter I strongly suggest to go for a real open source project. Because you will not realise how

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Mike Harrismik...@googlemail.com wrote: The problem is that some of us follow the wiki advice re designated= which was developed after a lot of discussion in this group! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated Designated= does not mean

Re: [OSM-talk] DraganFly RC helicopters

2009-08-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 SLXViper schreef: Stefan de Konink wrote: SLXViper schreef: This won't happen if you develop your own one ;) We started with two and half Mikrokopter; the arrogance that we have faced in that project. Unbelievable. Additionally, mikrokopter

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Postal an idea to extend Walking-Papers to not connected people

2009-08-14 Thread Michal Migurski
It is really an excellent idea. I was planning to organize a walking paper mail out in my home town in a few months to see how it could work out. I was planning in my case to contact the mayor office to see if I could coordinate with them if they were interested. The idea of postcard is very

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-14 Thread Jason Cunningham
Agree here. UK bridleways for instance should have foot=designated; horse=designated; bicycle=designated as all three have equal right. It would be a mistake to assume the horse rights are greater than foot/bicycle; they are not. I would similarly guess the shared foot/cycleways in Germany

Re: [OSM-talk] DraganFly RC helicopters

2009-08-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Erik Lundin schreef: I don't really understand what you mean by open source here. If you buy an RC helicopter, aren't you free to do whatever you want with it? Typically an RC helicopter is not really what you want when you are flying to make

Re: [OSM-talk] designated shared cyclepath

2009-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: http://twitpic.com/djyxb This is Ash Kyd's photo, and I'm not sure if he's on this list. highway=path; bicycle=designated; foot=designated; surface=ground. Not sure about width=* :) ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/15 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Could the definition of official be simplified to signed?? If not, what would be the difference between bicycle=official and bicycle=signed? As I have understood, official is intended to tag the formal dedication (usually of the local administration

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] mijn.openstreetmap.nl: snel en simpel een kaart op je website

2009-08-14 Thread Richard Duivenvoorde
Mooi Roeland! Dit soort dingen is idd prachtig om osm aan de man te brengen :-) Nog een opmerking: - je zou in de tekst over zoomen even kunnen vertellen dat je met de muisknop OF met een shift-muis-drag kunt inzoomen - je zou de zoombar alleen kunnen opnemen/tonen in het 'aanmaken deel', en

Re: [talk-au] Australian_Road_Tagging - unclassified

2009-08-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 14/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: then we could have an editing fight, and I'm not going to do that I ended up reverting the sections on residential/unclassified for the same reason. the urban use notice has changed considerably by the placing of unclassified

[talk-au] based on osm...

2009-08-14 Thread Jim Croft
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/08/0812_data_visualization_heroes/3.htm -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft ... in pursuit of the meaning of leaf ... ... 'All is leaf' ('Alles ist Blatt') - Goethe

[talk-au] Found this neat tile layer...

2009-08-14 Thread John Smith
http://matt.sandbox.cloudmade.com/?lon=-0.09465layers=B0lat=-27.475989lng=153.091049zoom=12layer=3 Shows the progress of adding street addressing. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

[talk-au] Victoria Corryong Airport has only one runway

2009-08-14 Thread Graeme Wilson
Hi All, Corryong Airport has only one runway, OSM has two. The correct runway is running about 80 degrees 240 degrees. The north west - south east one does not exist. Graeme Wilson VK1RE 0400 447 429 _ Use Windows Live

[talk-au] Victoria Khancoban Duplication of Snowy Valley Hwy off in the mountains.

2009-08-14 Thread Graeme Wilson
Hi All, Check the Snowy Valley Hwy around Khancoban. There are two of them. Graeme Wilson VK1RE 0400 447 429 _ Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? Find your next place with Ninemsn property

Re: [talk-au] Victoria Corryong Airport has only one runway

2009-08-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 14/8/09, Graeme Wilson wandere...@live.com.au wrote: Corryong Airport has only one runway, OSM has two.   The correct runway is running about 80 degrees 240 degrees. The north west - south east one does not exist. I just had a look, the erronus runway is sourced as yahoo

Re: [talk-au] Victoria Khancoban Duplication of Snowy Valley Hwy off in the mountains.

2009-08-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Fri, 14/8/09, Graeme Wilson wandere...@live.com.au wrote: Check the Snowy Valley Hwy around Khancoban. There are two of them. I'm not familiar with the that part of the country, can you give me a rough lat/lon or can you copy and paste the permalink from openstreetmap.org?

[talk-au] Fw: [OSM-dev] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009

2009-08-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Sat, 15/8/09, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Subject: [OSM-dev] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009 To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org, osmdev d...@openstreetmap.org Date: Saturday, 15 August, 2009,

Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-14 Thread Liz
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Hugh Barnes wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:14:40 +1000 Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: I've never found a list of members anywhere. I never received any acknowledgement except in receipt for the payment I made. Not particularly complaining, just wonder why.

Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-14 Thread Gordon Smith
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Matt Whitemattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: Liz wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Matt White wrote: Hey, out of interest, how many people on this list are OSMF members? me I probably should have kicked it off and said I am a member as well ... me too. G. --

Re: [talk-au] Australian_Road_Tagging - unclassified

2009-08-14 Thread James Livingston
On 14/08/2009, at 7:26 PM, John Smith wrote: The problem is some/all routing software doesn't treat residential as through roads, but do treat unclassified as through roads. Effectively highway=residential means highway=[residential| unclassified] and access=destination. I realise we're

[talk-au] nambour mapping party today 1pm

2009-08-14 Thread John Smith
At least one group of people coming up from bris may be running a little late ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Australian_Road_Tagging - unclassified

2009-08-14 Thread John Smith
--- On Sat, 15/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: I see it as exactly the same thing, you're tagging it so that it works  better with certain pieces of software, due to that making incorrect  assumptions. Although it may practically do so in some parts of  europe,

Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....

2009-08-14 Thread Ben Kelley
Personally I like Ref=56 Network=au_nh Over Ref=NH56 Because the ref really is 56. -Ben. -Original Message- From: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Sent: 14 August 2009 22:26 To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across

[Talk-br] Manutenção do servidor - 22 e 23 de agosto de 2009

2009-08-14 Thread Arlindo Pereira
No próximo final de semana, 22 e 23 agosto, os servidores principais do OpenStreetMap serão desligados devido à manutenção elétrica na Universidade College in Londres. www.openstreetmap.org [1] e a API estarão indisponíveis durante esse período desde aproximadamente 2h da manhã de sábado até às

[Talk-de] Worldfile vom 12.08.09

2009-08-14 Thread Carsten Schwede
Hallo, die neuen daten vom 12.08.09 liegen wie immer zum Download bereit auf: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Computerteddy -- Viele Gruesse Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummerntool?

2009-08-14 Thread Jochen Topf
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 06:08:47PM +0200, Holger s...@der wrote: Dabei ist mir die Frage gekommen, ob es ein Tool gibt, dass die bereits erfassten Hausnummern auflisten kann, um zu sehen, ob eventuell eine Hausnummer vergessen wurde.

Re: [Talk-de] maxwidth/width/Fahrbahnbreiten

2009-08-14 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:30:46PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 13. August 2009 22:06 schrieb Thomas Reincke m...@thomas-reincke.de: Was ich daran schwierig finde. Es können auch deutlich breitere Fahrzeuge auf solch einer Fahrbahn fahren. Auf einem 1,80 m Weg sollte ein 2,50 m

Re: [Talk-de] existiert Spezialkarte mit Anzeige von lit=yes|no ?

2009-08-14 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 14. August 2009 00:00 schrieb Dirk Stöcker openstreet...@dstoecker.de: Wenn es irgendwann mal mehr Stile gibt, wird auch die Nutzung einfacher. Nur sehe ich momentan eben nicht, dass sich ausser den JOSM-Entwicklern jemand die Mühe macht

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern im JOSM-Stil

2009-08-14 Thread Dirk Stöcker
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: - Die StartUp-Seite wird, genau wie die Hilfe-Seite vom Server geladen und (unverändert) angezeigt. Solange wir generell Online-Zugriff gestatten (und der Trend geht ja auch in anderen Bereichen in diese Richtung) sind die entsprechenden

[Talk-de] Problem bei Aktualisierungen der öpnvk arte.de? (war: Re: ÖPNV-Karte - Relationen in Berlin gelöscht)

2009-08-14 Thread Gernot Hillier
Hi! Fips Schneider schrieb: ÖPNV-Karte hat ein Problem, der fehlen einfach Daten. In ganz Deutschland wird kein ÖPNV mehr dargestellt auf neugerenderten Karten, teilweise fehlen sogar Straßen oder Schienenverbindungen (und ja, ich habe meine Gegenden darauf überprüft, Daten sind in Ordnung,

Re: [Talk-de] Doppelte Wege

2009-08-14 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Und der aktuelle JOSM Bug, dass die Layer-Reihenfolge nicht mehr beachtet wird machts auch nicht gerade leichter. So muss ich immer den Datenlayer temporär unsichtbar schalten um das GPX File mit den Fehlerwegen zu sehen. Ist in der latest (1979) gefixed. Danke! Chris

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummerntool?

2009-08-14 Thread malenki
Holger s...@der (hs69...@web.de)schrieb: Dabei ist mir die Frage gekommen, ob es ein Tool gibt, dass die bereits erfassten Hausnummern auflisten kann, um zu sehen, ob eventuell eine Hausnummer vergessen wurde. Es sollte auch anzeigen, ob das Haus mit der fehlenden Hausnummer vergessen zu taggen,

Re: [Talk-de] Tag für Alleen

2009-08-14 Thread malenki
Johannes Huesing (johan...@huesing.name)schrieb: malenki o...@malenki.ch [Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 05:07:45PM CEST]: [...] Teilweise zusätzlich natural:tree:type=$Baumsorte, wenn die Allee aus einer Art Bäumen bestand. für natural=tree existiert name:botanical, kannst Du das nicht übernehmen? Ich

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummerntool?

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. August 2009 14:47 schrieb malenki o...@malenki.ch: Holger s...@der (hs69...@web.de)schrieb: Dabei ist mir die Frage gekommen, ob es ein Tool gibt, dass die bereits erfassten Hausnummern auflisten kann, um zu sehen, ob eventuell eine Hausnummer vergessen wurde. Es sollte auch anzeigen,

Re: [Talk-de] maxwidth/width/Fahrbahnbreiten

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. August 2009 09:30 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:30:46PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 13. August 2009 22:06 schrieb Thomas Reincke m...@thomas-reincke.de: ja, auch nicht zu vergessen: die Breite muss über die volle Höhe (also in der Regel

[Talk-de] [Fwd: [OSM-talk] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009]

2009-08-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, am 22./23.8. werden die OSM-Server (www.openstreetmap.org und API) nicht erreichbar sein. Der Tile-Server wird vielleicht irgendwie weiterlaufen koennen, das ist noch unklar. Grund sind Wartungsarbeiten am Stromnetz der Uni, die die Server beherbergt. Bye Frederik

[Talk-de] Server offline am 22. und 23. August [Fwd: [OSM-talk] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009]

2009-08-14 Thread Jonas Krückel
Hi, wie hier zu lesen werden die OpenStreetMap-Server am nächsten Wochenende, am 22. und 23. August, nicht verfügbar sein, weil elektrische Arbeiten im UCL, wo die Server stehen, durchgeführt werden. Währenddessen werden auch neue OSM-Server installiert. osm.org und die API sind während dieser

Re: [Talk-de] maxwidth/width/Fahrbahnbreiten

2009-08-14 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 04:56:14PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ich habe nur Wikipedia als Quelle, aber da steht im Text 4,50 und im Schaubild 4,20: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fenquerschnitt#Grundma.C3.9Fe StVZO http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvzo/__32.html (2)

Re: [Talk-de] maxwidth/width/Fahrbahnbreiten

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. August 2009 17:21 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org: Es lassen sich zitate finden die eben sagen = 4,20 muss markiert werden - die hoehe soll 4,50 betragen ... *Grmpf* Flo ja, in proprietären Quellen, habe auch noch mal ein bisschen recherchiert ;-) Gruß Martin

Re: [Talk-de] [Fwd: [OSM-talk] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009]

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hallo,    am 22./23.8. werden die OSM-Server (www.openstreetmap.org und API) nicht erreichbar sein. Der Tile-Server wird vielleicht irgendwie weiterlaufen koennen, das ist noch unklar. Grund sind Wartungsarbeiten am Stromnetz der Uni, die die

Re: [Talk-de] [Fwd: [OSM-talk] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009]

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: 2009/8/14 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hallo, am 22./23.8. werden die OSM-Server (www.openstreetmap.org und API) nicht erreichbar sein. Der Tile-Server wird vielleicht irgendwie weiterlaufen koennen, das ist noch unklar. Grund sind Wartungsarbeiten am

Re: [Talk-de] [Fwd: [OSM-talk] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009]

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. August 2009 17:41 schrieb Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Weiss jemand, wie die derzeitige Serverkonfiguration ist, bzw. wieviel größer/besser die neuen Server bzw. Upgrades sind? Steht am Ende der englischen Mail: 2: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/Upgrades/082009

Re: [Talk-de] [Fwd: [OSM-talk] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009]

2009-08-14 Thread Peter Körner
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 14. August 2009 17:41 schrieb Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Weiss jemand, wie die derzeitige Serverkonfiguration ist, bzw. wieviel größer/besser die neuen Server bzw. Upgrades sind? Steht am Ende der englischen Mail: 2:

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