[Talk-transit] open transit map?

2009-09-29 Thread Bin Jiang
Hi, I wonder if any transit map is available like openstreetmap.org and opencyclemap.org. I tried opentransitmap.org without success:-) Cheers. Bin -- Bin Jiang Division of Geomatics, KTH Research School Department of Technology and

Re: [Talk-transit] open transit map?

2009-09-29 Thread Christoph Böhme
Bin Jiang bin.ji...@hig.se schrieb: Hi, I wonder if any transit map is available like openstreetmap.org and opencyclemap.org. I tried opentransitmap.org without success:-) Try http://www.öpnvkarte.de/ Although, I am not sure how much of the world is covered. Cheers, Christoph Cheers. Bin

Re: [Talk-transit] open transit map?

2009-09-29 Thread Bin Jiang
HI, looks wonderful, but where can I down the transit data? Sorry for if its a naive question. Cheers. Bin Christoph Böhme wrote: Bin Jiang bin.ji...@hig.se schrieb: Hi, I wonder if any transit map is available like openstreetmap.org and opencyclemap.org. I tried opentransitmap.org

Re: [Talk-transit] open transit map?

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Miller
On 29 Sep 2009, at 20:20, Bin Jiang wrote: HI, looks wonderful, but where can I down the transit data? Sorry for if its a naive question. The routes are encoded in OSM as relations. Here is an example bus route:- http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/190701 Regards, Peter

Re: [talk-ph] Tropical Storm Ondoy: are you guys ok?

2009-09-29 Thread maning sambale
I just had a look at the map. It's a bit slow, anyway we can update and speed things up? Or can we port it to another server? On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.com wrote: Ah here we go, managed to import their KML into Umapper, so now we can see the map

Re: [talk-ph] need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila

2009-09-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hello, More information: Typhoon Ketsana[1] brought massive flooding to the Philippines. In just 12 hours, rainfall to Metropolitan Manila has brought more water than the monthly September average and has broken a 1967 rainfall record. There has been already around 240 people who are confirmed

Re: [talk-ph] Donations needed for the Philippines due to Tropical Storm Ketsana

2009-09-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Ack... I only realized now that I send this email to the wrong list. This should have gone to the main OSM mailing list. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Hello all, This mail has nothing directly to do with OSM but I would like to appeal for

Re: [talk-ph] need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila

2009-09-29 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi maning, The Ondoy situation maps on Google Maps My Maps ( http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=110868206150348750692.00047479b6400ee29bd89ll=14.645791,121.107874spn=0.107954,0.154324) is the most publicized webmap there is. It shows the locations of people needing immediate

Re: [talk-ph] need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila

2009-09-29 Thread maning sambale
Thanks, I'm looking at these maps right now. Are the reported cases/placemarks being closed if the missing person was found? The placemarks it looks overwhelming but some reports were filed 3 days ago, are these people still missing. What I have in mind is a simple portal for post disaster

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license status

2009-09-29 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: On 28/09/2009, at 11:16 PM, Gustav Foseid wrote: Well... There is no copyright that expires after 15 years. Sui generis database rights expire after 15 years, but copyright is hardly very relevant for an OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license status

2009-09-29 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, James Livingston wrote: On 28/09/2009, at 11:16 PM, Gustav Foseid wrote: Well... There is no copyright that expires after 15 years. Sui generis database rights expire after 15 years, but copyright is hardly very

[OSM-legal-talk] Protection time of ODbL

2009-09-29 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Hi, How long time ODbL will protect the data? The EU database directive Directive 96/9/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 11 March 1996 on the legal protection of databases gives 15 years protection Article 10 Term of protection 1. The right provided for in Article 7 shall

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Protection time of ODbL

2009-09-29 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Martes, 29 de Septiembre de 2009, Jukka Rahkonen escribió: How long time ODbL will protect the data? The EU database directive Directive 96/9/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 11 March 1996 on the legal protection of databases gives 15 years protection The thing to

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
David Paleino wrote: David Paleino wrote: http://osm.org/go/xZaERTJSm-- Ah, I forgot also this one: http://osm.org/go/xZYvzIcHP-- NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! I zoomed out and noticed that the national border along the Mediterranean coast of Sicily and the rest of Italy and also France

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Gregory Williams
-Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Dave F. Sent: 28 September 2009 20:47 Cc: OSM Talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags Ian Dees wrote:

[OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread David Paleino
Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: I zoomed out and noticed that the national border along the Mediterranean coast of Sicily and the rest of Italy and also France look really bad. I suppose because we imported the national borders from Italian ISTAT (a national statistics institute) -- see: source:

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Paleino wrote: http://osm.org/go/xZaERTJSm-- Please, don't. Have you contacted the user in question (in a friendly fashion) to explain how it could be done better? They probably don't read this list. cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
David Paleino wrote: Sent: 29 September 2009 12:26 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map David Paleino wrote: http://osm.org/go/xZaERTJSm-- Ah, I forgot also this one: http://osm.org/go/xZYvzIcHP-- NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! There

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Ed Avis
Eugene Alvin Villar seav80 at gmail.com writes: [Flickr now refers to OSM ids] The big problem I see is that our node, way, and relation IDs are too brittle for this sort of thing. Agreed. Or at least, you cannot expect them to be around forever. But at least they aren't reused, so if an id

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM, David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't that defined as territorial waters, different from national border? It would be better to have both drawn -- but the territorial waters marked as boundary=maritime, or the such? Some info on tagging here:

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com: A manual redirect tag would never work - about 1% of contributors would bother to add it, and even then messing with id numbers by hand is error-prone. Rather, if an object is marked as deleted, return its last position and perhaps the changeset id that

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com: Isn't that defined as territorial waters, different from national border? It would be better to have both drawn -- but the territorial waters marked as boundary=maritime, or the such? That what happens with Australia which doesn't have any land

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: Todo: Clean up to proposal and support in the most common renderers. Why do you want these to render exactly? I agree with land based borders but it looks weird/confusing seeing maritime boundaries. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:48 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: Todo: Clean up to proposal and support in the most common renderers. Why do you want these to render exactly? They are rendered today, but visually the same as land

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: They are rendered today, but visually the same as land borders. I would Ummm they are? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-24.622lon=153.677zoom=10 Centre of the map is where the maritime border of Australia runs and I don't see anything rendered at

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread David Paleino
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: David Paleino wrote: http://osm.org/go/xZaERTJSm-- Ah, I forgot also this one: http://osm.org/go/xZYvzIcHP-- NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! There isn't a lot of point shouting at the mailing list about this. Needed to rant somewhere :) (and, most

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:00 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: They are rendered today, but visually the same as land borders. I would Ummm they are? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-24.622lon=153.677zoom=10 Centre of the map is

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-29 Thread Mike Harris
... Are you sure about the spelling of ... fork off American ... - doesn't sound quite right but perhaps it's just my mid-Atlantic accent? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 September 2009 02:16 To: Russ Nelson Cc:

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: They have normally been tagged as land borders, resulting in something like this: http://osm.org/go/evC2d-- http://osm.org/go/3Tjpd- Because they've been tagged boundary=administrative, boundary_type=maritime, the around Australia it's just

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: They have normally been tagged as land borders, resulting in something like this: http://osm.org/go/evC2d-- http://osm.org/go/3Tjpd- what do you mean by land border? They are national borders, (administrative, level 2). There is this (approved but

[OSM-talk] Polish Potlatch doesn't work anymore.

2009-09-29 Thread stlman
Greetings. It apparently stopped working because Polish translation[1] contains double quotes which make their way to html unescaped which produces a JS string like this: Blah blah foo bar blah in which foo bar becomes JS *code*. The quotes in the message should be escaped *and* the code

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Frankie Roberto
2009/9/29 Gregory Williams gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk Ian Dees wrote: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/flickr_now_supports_openstreetmap_ tags.php Good to see someone else talking about OSM... Excellent news Indeed this is fantastic news. Having that

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/29 Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dk: I zoomed out and noticed that the national border along the Mediterranean coast of Sicily and the rest of Italy and also France look really bad. Is there a reason why the border isn't off the coast like it is most places, e.g. Spain? we're

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Does anyone have a script to calculate the 12nm-offset and probably simplify the outcome? The Australia 12nm boundary was guessed by someone and roughly put in... ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Polish Potlatch doesn't work anymore.

2009-09-29 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:58 AM, stl...@poczta.fm wrote: Greetings. It apparently stopped working because Polish translation[1] contains double quotes which make their way to html unescaped which produces a JS string like this: Blah blah foo bar blah in which foo bar becomes JS *code*.

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread David Paleino
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/9/29 Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dk: I zoomed out and noticed that the national border along the Mediterranean coast of Sicily and the rest of Italy and also France look really bad. Is there a reason why the border isn't off the coast like it is most

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/9/29 David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com Looking at the Spain maritime border, there's a source=robot-generated-12nm- border, so it probably exists :) Anyone knows where to get it from? Performing an ST_Buffer might help in Postgis. Emilie Laffray

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Sybren A . Stüvel
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:11:21AM +0100, Frankie Roberto wrote: I'd love it if other people started adding the tags too, if only to prove that I'm not the only one who likes this idea (and who likes taking photos of random buildings). I've started tagging too. Not much yet, but that'll

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com wrote: 2009/9/29 Gregory Williams gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk I also think this Flickr-linking might be a good prompt for us to re-look at the /browse/* pages. If these pages are going to be more visible,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-it] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/29 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:27 AM, David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at the Spain maritime border, there's a source=robot-generated-12nm- border, so it probably exists :) Just remember that the border should not be computed from the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread Claudius
Am 28.09.2009 20:40, Pieren: Hi all, This is not my proposal but this tag is used by the Corine Land Cover current import in France corresponding to the class 2.2.2 of this european program (Agricultural areas - Permanent crops - Fruit trees and berry plantations). I would like to push

Re: [OSM-talk] The French Corine Import has started

2009-09-29 Thread Joseph Reeves
Hi Emilie, Apologies for not replying in French - although I have an interest in what you're doing, I don't have the language skills to speak to you about it natively. I'm very pleased to see that the Corine data import is going forward and am looking forward to seeing the results when it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Claudius
Anyone (*blinking at Frankie*) knows how long it will takes after adding the osm machine tag untile the View in OpenStreetMap (btw. I think that link should be written without spaces) link appears straight below the picture? And how long about the feature information being extracted from OSM?

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Childs
2009/9/29 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de: Am 28.09.2009 20:40, Pieren: Hi all, This is not my proposal but this tag is used by the Corine Land Cover current import in France corresponding to the class 2.2.2 of this european program (Agricultural areas -  Permanent crops -  Fruit trees and berry

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Frankie Roberto
2009/9/29 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com I'm not sure what the state of the User Experience Working Group is, but I'd be happy to join and help with this, if people think it's a good idea. (Personally, I think the scope for OSM to be a provider of linked-data POIs is huge,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-29 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I'm repeatedly told don't tag for the renderers OK, let me even it out a bit and give you some guidance: Tagging for the renderer is OK Tagging for the renderer is OK Tagging for the renderer is OK Tagging for the renderer

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 29 Sep 2009, at 11:21, Claudius wrote: Anyone (*blinking at Frankie*) knows how long it will takes after adding the osm machine tag untile the View in OpenStreetMap (btw. I think that link should be written without spaces) link appears straight below the picture? And how long about the

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Frankie Roberto
2009/9/29 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de Anyone (*blinking at Frankie*) knows how long it will takes after adding the osm machine tag untile the View in OpenStreetMap (btw. I think that link should be written without spaces) link appears straight below the picture? And how long about the feature

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/29 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org: While some farmers may rotate their land, partially with Orchards this is not as likely as with grassland and ploughed Fields +1 I'd also like to see differentiation of conventional orchards and meadow orchards (de:Streuobstwiese). See Wikipedia:en for

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-it] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/29 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Just remember that the border should not be computed from the coastline, but from the baseline (which is further into the sea and much simpler) probably the outcome

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/29 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org: I'd also like to see differentiation of conventional orchards and meadow orchards (de:Streuobstwiese). See Wikipedia:en for details in English. Please add your comments

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de wrote: I'd rather like to see this merged into some more generic landuse=agricultural tagging-scheme. Which would cover general farmland (currently tagged as landuse=farmland) as well. Any farmer within the OSM crowd that could

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: I wish OSM has a redirect feature for deleted nodes, ways, and relations sort of like what Wikipedia has for its articles and pages. Maybe a redirect=* tag? :-) You mean something like this?: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2194 -- Jonathan (Jonobennett)

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread Mike Harris
... Not a farmer but a country boy ... my ha'porth ... Orchards (including olive groves etc.) seem sufficiently distinct (and permanent - not rotated) to justify a tag of their own. Same might apply e.g. to vineyards. Some plantations e.g. bananas, oil palm also seem semi-permanent given the

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Tom Hughes
On 29/09/09 11:24, Frankie Roberto wrote: A more direct way to do it *now* is to suggest specific improvements by filing bugs on http://trac.openstreetmap.org under the website component. Okay, will do. I'm always a bit shy about submitting improvement ideas as bugs (as it feels

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: Landuse=agricultural vs. Landuse=grassland And for the former: Agriculture=arable / pastoral / orchard / plantation This seems saner, that way if you aren't sure of the land use due to time of year the aerial imagery was take or what not you can

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Frankie Roberto
2009/9/29 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu Linking the tags to the wiki is going to be a great way of joining the two things together much more closely. The other thing I'd like to see is being able to browse sideways from the 'browse' pages, so that it's possible to navigate from, say, a pub,

[OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

2009-09-29 Thread Frankie Roberto
Hi, This is related to a question in the Flickr thread about whether OSM should provide services as well as data, and is something I've been meaning to ask for a while: Are there any terms of use for either the XML API or the Mapnik/Osmarender map tiles? eg if someone wants to embed the our

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-it] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/29 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for giving this note. Can't we just import/redraw this map, as it is part of a law? Or isn't it? On the page it looks like it was (I presume that laws in

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

2009-09-29 Thread Tom Hughes
On 29/09/09 12:32, Frankie Roberto wrote: This is related to a question in the Flickr thread about whether OSM should provide services as well as data, and is something I've been meaning to ask for a while: Are there any terms of use for either the XML API or the Mapnik/Osmarender map

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-29 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Lawds, I wish the English could speak English. Who decided it would be a good idea to fork off American into a whole 'nother language? Well if it's any consolation I seem to have learnt the American meaning of public domain before any English meaning ;-) Nick

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-it] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: do you know which kind of grid the coordinates are in? My guess would be ED50. - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/9/29 Claudius Henrichs claudiu...@gmx.de No, I rather meant landuse=agricultural + agricultural=orchard/field/crop/salt and thus keeping the information but in the same time grouping agricultural landuses under one tag. That would mean that Mapnik needs to be checking a secondary

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Frankie Roberto wrote: Ha, well there's a contentious statement! If that were the case, then why do we even bother with the Mapnik/Osmarender tiles? Surely they're the ultimate form of doing clever stuff with the data. Primarily so mappers can see what they've been doing, as a form of

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread John Smith
2009/9/29 Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com: That would mean that Mapnik needs to be checking a secondary field to determine what to display. If the renderer doesn't do that, you will end up with a map that is poorer in the end. In your case, that would mean increasing the size of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 29/09/09 11:24, Frankie Roberto wrote:    A more direct way to do it *now* is to suggest specific improvements    by filing bugs on http://trac.openstreetmap.org under the website    component. Okay, will do. I'm always

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/9/29 Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dk: I zoomed out and noticed that the national border along the Mediterranean coast of Sicily and the rest of Italy and also France look really bad. Is there a reason why the border isn't off the coast like it is most

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-29 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Lawds, I wish the English could speak English. Who decided it would be a good idea to fork off American into a whole 'nother language? That would be Noah Webster. ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Tom Hughes
On 29/09/09 13:26, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Generally bug trackers reduce work. They consolidate bugs/feature requests in one place, people can easily search for already filed bugs or see that they're filed already and not bother you again. I absolutely agree as far as bugs are

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license status

2009-09-29 Thread James Livingston
On 28/09/2009, at 11:16 PM, Gustav Foseid wrote: Well... There is no copyright that expires after 15 years. Sui generis database rights expire after 15 years, but copyright is hardly very relevant for an OpenStreetMap database dump. In Europe maybe - however there are countries where

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/29 Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dk: I don't but it should be relatively easy to compute using the following algorith: - At each node on the coastline, produce a circle of 12 nmi. OK, we'll use the baseline instead of the coastline, but besides this (and because the baseline

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

2009-09-29 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 29/09/09 12:32, Frankie Roberto wrote: This is related to a question in the Flickr thread about whether OSM should provide services as well as data, and is something I've been meaning to ask for a while: Are there any

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Joseph Scanlan
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 01:21 +0200, David Paleino wrote: http://osm.org/go/xZaERTJSm-- Please, don't. A paragraph or two describing the problem (and the correct way to tag) could help any newbies searching the archives. I've seen this sort of thing when someone (apparently) promotes or

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/29 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/29 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org: I'd also like to see differentiation of conventional orchards and meadow orchards (de:Streuobstwiese). See Wikipedia:en for details

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

2009-09-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frankie Roberto wrote: Are there any terms of use for either the XML API or the Mapnik/Osmarender map tiles? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy Nothing official, just a draft. eg if someone wants to embed the our Mapnik tiles on their website (eg using OpenLayers),

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Kyle Gordon
Ian Dees wrote: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/flickr_now_supports_openstreetmap_tags.php Good to see someone else talking about OSM... ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-29 Thread Lennard
Emilie Laffray wrote: That would mean that Mapnik needs to be checking a secondary field to determine what to display. If the renderer doesn't do that, you will end up with a map that is poorer in the end. In your case, that would mean That's not really so different as highway + access, or

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

2009-09-29 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Problem is that you create expectations that are difficult to fulfil by hobbyists with the haphazard setup that we have. If you want a reliable tile server, you need a proper computing centre with fallback hardware and all that, and admins paid for being woken up at 3am if something goes

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

2009-09-29 Thread mdeen
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:48:34 +0100, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Problem is that you create expectations that are difficult to fulfil by hobbyists with the haphazard setup that we have. If you want a reliable tile server, you need a proper computing centre with fallback

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/29 Kyle Gordon k...@lodge.glasgownet.com: It works for building=yes, but not building=true. Well, Flickr says This is a feature in OpenStreetMap instead of $name is a building in OpenStreetMap. Did I miss a vital clue where yes and true are not interchangable? I thought yes was just a

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

2009-09-29 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Nick Whitelegg wrote: It seems rather contra to the spirit of free software and open source it has to be said. Not at all. You're free to do whatever you want with the data, and most of the software used to create, store, process and display it. What you can't do is expect someone else to

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

2009-09-29 Thread Richard Mann
The other hurdle is learning how to render. If this one was a bit easier, more people would do their own. That will come - but it's slow going (especially for non-geeks). Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Frankie Roberto
2009/9/29 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com It works for building=yes, but not building=true. Well, Flickr says This is a feature in OpenStreetMap instead of $name is a building in OpenStreetMap. Did I miss a vital clue where yes and true are not interchangable? I thought yes

[OSM-talk] Statistics on changesets by created_by=*

2009-09-29 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
TomH provided me with statistics on created_by=* in all changeset tags[1][2][3]. Here are with more than 1000 total changesets ordered by the number of changesets: 813222 = JOSM, 730972 = Potlatch, 96066 = Merkaartor, 40213 = bulk_upload.py, 34625 = upload.py, 17443 = KMLManager,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguish them from incomplete ways

2009-09-29 Thread Igor Brejc
Hi, I suppose I'm the culprit for the todo=continue and todo=junction tags, since I've used them internally for some time and then added them to GroundTruth hiking rules once I developed GroundTruth. These tags are not primarily rendering-oriented, they are just pointers (for me and anyone

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

2009-09-29 Thread Frankie Roberto
2009/9/29 mdeen md...@xs4all.nl As GNU puts it quite rightly: 'you should think of free as in free speech, not as in free beer'. OSM does not hand out free beers (unlimited access to rendered tiles) but gives free speech (you can use and modify the data freely). But I agree it should be

Re: [OSM-talk] [english 94%] Re: How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguishthem from incomplete ways

2009-09-29 Thread k...@vielevisels
Hi Igor, the tags are great! If all renderers would show them (and in combination with the noexit-tag), we could improve quality and confidence in OSM. After my summer holiday in corfu with different paper maps, which proved to be very inaccurate (missing villages, missing junctions and roads,

Re: [OSM-talk] [english 94%] Re: How to tag dead-ends and how to distinguishthem from incomplete ways

2009-09-29 Thread Igor Brejc
Heh, I lost myself on Corfu once, too... Way back in '97, using a paper map. Those were the good old student days... Igor k...@vielevisels wrote: Hi Igor, the tags are great! If all renderers would show them (and in combination with the noexit-tag), we could improve quality and confidence

Re: [OSM-talk] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 29/09/2009, at 11.30, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/29 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Does anyone have a script to calculate the 12nm-offset and probably simplify the outcome? The Australia 12nm boundary was guessed by someone and roughly put in... Personally, I think that's a

[OSM-talk] Clarifying and representing road markings at junctions

2009-09-29 Thread Matt Williams
I've been noticing recently a problem we're going to/already have in our data when it comes to routing directions particularly. It concerns how to define continuations of roads at junctions and/or the road markings that delineate that. This problem manifests itself in many ways but for a first

Re: [OSM-talk] Clarifying and representing road markings at junctions

2009-09-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Williams wrote: On the left you will see the physical plan of a road junction near where I live. The way that it would be represented in the OSM data model is shown on the right. [...] Your problem can and should be solved by a relation that models: to travel from node X to node Y

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:prominence

2009-09-29 Thread Egil Hjelmeland
Here is a proposal for tagging natural=peak with its prominence (prime factor) in meters: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/key:prominence Please comment, preferably on the talk-page. Best Regards Egil Hjelmeland ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] address interpolation

2009-09-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: Since I haven't heard any counter points of view, how do we proceed with this?    Based on previous comments, it should not just be Edit the wiki page, or is this change small enough to just update the wiki? If you're referring

Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries

2009-09-29 Thread Dave F.
Peter Childs wrote: 2009/9/28 Mark Williams mark@blueyonder.co.uk: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 courtland.yoc...@mindspring.com wrote: I've been thinking a bit about this from a very different perspective - that of parks and other open public areas where you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Protection time of ODbL

2009-09-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: The same goes with the ODbL. Once you make a planet dump and let 15 years pass, you can not assert any rights over the dump... so you can not assert the ODbL. Simple as that. Question is: 1. what about the contents themselves. Have we reached a consensus that

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Dave F.
Frankie Roberto wrote: 2009/9/29 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com It works for building=yes, but not building=true. Well, Flickr says This is a feature in OpenStreetMap instead of $name is a building in OpenStreetMap.

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-29 Thread Dave F.
could /not /be completely banned. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Clarifying and representing road markings at junctions

2009-09-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Roy Wallace wrote: In that case, use a relation. Two options: 1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Segmented_Tag [...] 2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Collected_Ways Both don't go far enough in my opinion. This is not a question of how can I

[OSM-talk] Revert request - Russia, Irkutsk - Evgeny Mandrikov

2009-09-29 Thread Aleksandr Dezhin
Hi! We have a problem in Irkutsk, Russia. From August 2008 to February 2009, Evgeny Mandrikovhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Evgeny%20Mandrikov/editshas made the import of a whole city, but made it very casually: duplicate streets, unclosed contours of buildings, addresses as names of

Re: [OSM-talk] Clarifying and representing road markings at junctions

2009-09-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Roy Wallace wrote: In that case, use a relation. Two options: 1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Segmented_Tag 2) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Collected_Ways Both don't go

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