[Talk-hr] Ivanić Grad

2010-04-09 Thread Valent Turkovic
Gledam OSM kartu i Ivanić Grad mi baš upada u oko jer je vrlo slabo 
kartiran. 

Hoćemo napraviti neku virtualno promoviranje OSM-a? Možda na FER news 
grupi? Sigurno ima ljudi iz Ivanić Grada koji studiraju na FERu. Ili neki 
lokalni forum?

Znate nekoga iz Ivanić Grada?



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Re: [Talk-hr] HULK iGot-U GPS-ovi?

2010-04-09 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 22:15:10 +0200, hbogner wrote:

 Nisam organizator, samo dostavljac, sutra se 2 uredjaja vracaju u ZG pa
 ih predam Nixi.

Čuo sam se s Nixom on ide dosta rano za Našice iz Zg-a.

Pošto sam u nedjelju u Zagrebu molim te mi javi gdje se možemo naći u 
poslijepodnevnim satima - oko 16h, još ne znam kada ću točno biti 
slobodan pa te molim da mi se javiš na 091-3000-606 sms-om ili pozivom za 
dogovor.

Valent.



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[talk-ph] Planning the Corregidor Mapping Party (was Re: Araw ng Kagitingan mapping suggestion)

2010-04-09 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi guys,

After the successful Marikina Mapping Party, let's now plan our summer
Mapping Party in Corregidor!

The wiki announcement page is here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party
And the planning page is here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party/Planning

It seems our best bet so far is to talk to the Corregidor Foundation Inc.,
which is the Department of Tourism agency in charge of the island's
administration. I guess we should inform them what we plan to do and if they
are OK with it. (I guess we should tell them what we did in Tagaytay to give
them an idea.) Maybe we can even get some logistical support. :-)

Who wants us to go visit them? They are at the DOT building in Rizal Park:
http://osm.org/go/4zhF0Ul4g--

Eugene (osm:seav)


On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Tomorrow, the Philippines celebrates Araw ng Kagitingan

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araw_ng_Kagitingan

 I suggest we focus some mapping time to map various historic markers
 related to WWII events.  In most towns you can find historical markers
 about a local battle against Japanese Occupation or a local hero.

 Suggested tagging:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/historic_marker

 Coincidentally, the next mapping party will be in Corregidor.  I
 suggest we start planning for the vent:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party

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Re: [talk-ph] Planning the Corregidor Mapping Party (was Re: Araw ng Kagitingan mapping suggestion)

2010-04-09 Thread Bart Bartolome
Weee!!

May draft na or letter na ipapakita sa DOT?  Sama sana ko kaso hindi ako 
puwede humarap sa tao eh.  Offensive daw itsura ko sa mga taong may 
matitinong trabaho. :D

Excited na ko.



On Saturday, 10 April, 2010 01:00 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrot e:
 Hi guys,

 After the successful Marikina Mapping Party, let's now plan our summer
 Mapping Party in Corregidor!

 The wiki announcement page is here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party
 And the planning page is here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party/Planning

 It seems our best bet so far is to talk to the Corregidor Foundation
 Inc., which is the Department of Tourism agency in charge of the
 island's administration. I guess we should inform them what we plan to
 do and if they are OK with it. (I guess we should tell them what we did
 in Tagaytay to give them an idea.) Maybe we can even get some logistical
 support. :-)

 Who wants us to go visit them? They are at the DOT building in Rizal
 Park: http://osm.org/go/4zhF0Ul4g--

 Eugene (osm:seav)


 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tomorrow, the Philippines celebrates Araw ng Kagitingan

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araw_ng_Kagitingan

 I suggest we focus some mapping time to map various historic markers
 related to WWII events.  In most towns you can find historical markers
 about a local battle against Japanese Occupation or a local hero.

 Suggested tagging:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/historic_marker

 Coincidentally, the next mapping party will be in Corregidor.  I
 suggest we start planning for the vent:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party

 --
 cheers,
 maning
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Delijn data: POI van alle haltes

2010-04-09 Thread Wouter Hamelinck
 Ik heb uit stops.csv een POI proberen te maken, maar ik zie dat er ik er
 ?50 meter naast zit.  Zou dat de precisie zijn van die Lambert72
 coordinaten, die mankeert??

Hoe weet je dat je er 50m naast zit? Waarmee vergelijk je?
Het eerste dat ik zou doen is een paar bushaltes nemen die je weet
zijn en de lambertcoords van De Lijn vergelijken me werkelijke
lambertcoords. Laatste keer dat ik keek waren alle geoloketten van
AGIV, provincie... nog gewoon in Lambert 72. Daar kan je die makkelijk
bepalen.
Eens je zeker bent dat de coords van De Lijn correct zijn, kan je je
afvragen of je vergelijkingsmateriaal correct gegeorefereerd is en pas
dan denken aan fouten in de conversie.

wouter


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[OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code: Last Orders Please

2010-04-09 Thread Graham Jones
Hi Folks,
A final reminder to anyone intending to apply to Google Summer of Code that
you must submit your application *via Google's web site* (
http://socghop.appspot.com) *by 19:00 UTC Today* (Friday 09 April).

Regards

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Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size

2010-04-09 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:57:37 +, Valent Turkovic wrote:

 It would be ideal if it would use small areas of only few square km
 around each edit, idea beeing so that xybot edits don't show in history
 tab when looking at some area that wasn't edited.
 
 Example of area size that xybot uses:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/184632/xybot.png
 
 Ideally I would like to see bot edits in area that I'm looking at but
 not ones 5000km away ;(

Anybody?



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Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size

2010-04-09 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use
to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either
10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first?

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Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size

2010-04-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
 Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use
 to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either
 10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first?

Neither option exists, and the first one you mention is not even 
possible since osc files do not necessarily have spatial information for 
ways and relations.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size

2010-04-09 Thread Martin Fossdal Guttesen
The best way to get rid of bot changes is to ensure that as fews as possible 
errors get into osm
no errors = no need to correct
some of the corrections made by xybot are possible to avoid by making the 
editors a little smarter
foreksample Removing surrounding whitespace and empty tags
i checked one node and it was a trailing whitespace made in Potlatch 1.3e

it should be a nobrainer to automaticly remove surrounding whitespace in 
potlatch when a user enters one
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From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:15 PM
To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size

 Hi,

 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
 Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use
 to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either
 10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first?

 Neither option exists, and the first one you mention is not even
 possible since osc files do not necessarily have spatial information for
 ways and relations.

 Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size

2010-04-09 Thread Martin Fossdal Guttesen
The best way to get rid of bot changes is to ensure that as fews as possible 
errors get into osm
no errors = no need to correct
some of the corrections made by xybot are possible to avoid by making the 
editors a little smarter
foreksample Removing surrounding whitespace and empty tags
i checked one node and it was a trailing whitespace made in Potlatch 1.3e

it should be a nobrainer to automaticly remove surrounding whitespace in 
potlatch when a user enters one
--
From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:15 PM
To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size

 Hi,

 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
 Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use
 to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either
 10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first?

 Neither option exists, and the first one you mention is not even
 possible since osc files do not necessarily have spatial information for
 ways and relations.

 Bye
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[OSM-talk] Reversion of Edits

2010-04-09 Thread Vitor George
Hi there,

There is a user in Brazil that is copying street names and other things from
copyrighted maps. We've already talked to him.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andredrm

He's a new user, so I think we can reverted all of its edits.

How can we do this?

Vitor
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Re: [OSM-talk] Reversion of Edits

2010-04-09 Thread Shaun McDonald

On 9 Apr 2010, at 17:43, Vitor George wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 There is a user in Brazil that is copying street names and other things from 
 copyrighted maps. We've already talked to him.

Can you please elaborate on your contact with the user?
What has been said?
Is he happy for the revert?

Shaun

 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andredrm
 
 He's a new user, so I think we can reverted all of its edits.
 
 How can we do this?
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size

2010-04-09 Thread Martin Fossdal Guttesen
Sorry i dont know Flash or ActionScript

and after thinking about it. it would be better to handle it on the server
and i dont know rails ruby or what it is called

but i have looked at the source and i think i have found the spot where the 
change has to be made
in way.rb line 189

def add_tag_keyval(k, v)
@tags = Hash.new unless @tags

# duplicate tags are now forbidden, so we can't allow values
# in the hash to be overwritten.
raise OSM::APIDuplicateTagsError.new(way, self.id, k) if 
@tags.include? k

@tags[k] = v
  end

as i said before i dont know ruby, but a little googling i found strip
so i think that it should be

@tags[k.strip] = v.strip

there should also be a check if the trimmed v and k are empty and raise 
errors accordingly

and the same changes should also be made in node.rb line 255

cheers
Martin (LiFo)
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 Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote:
 it should be a nobrainer to automaticly remove surrounding
 whitespace in potlatch when a user enters one

 I agree. Since it's so easy, I look forward to your patch. :)

 cheers
 Richard
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[OSM-talk-nl] Veldtocht ... wie?

2010-04-09 Thread Henk Hoff
Hallo allen,

Iemand zin om de meeting in de provincie Utrecht te regelen? Ik ken de regio
daarvoor niet goed genoeg...

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Netherlands/Veldtocht_2010

Hulp nodig? mail me even.

Gr,
Henk
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[OSM-talk-nl] Presenteren op State of the Map?

2010-04-09 Thread Henk Hoff
Hallo allen,

Net als vorig jaar wordt ook dit jaar de OpenStreetMap conferentie weer
gehouden. Afgelopen jaar was deze lekker dichtbij in Amsterdam. Dit jaar is
het in zonnige Spanje. Girona om precies te zijn.

De organisatie is druk bezig om een interessant programma vast te stellen.
Daarom deze oproep/vraag: ben je met iets interessants bezig mbt
OpenStreetMap, heb je onderzoek gedaan mbt OpenStreetMap of open geo data,
of  welaan, heb je iets aan de internationale OpenStreetMap community te
melden ... dit is je kans!

Maak een korte samenvatting van wat je te vertellen hebt, en vul de Call for
Papers formulier in op www.stateofthemap.org. Ik zeg: gewoon doen!

Groet,
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Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

2010-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 13:21, Mark marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
 Some how I caused a problem when uploading a national park with an admin
 Boundary when viewed in JOSM.

Can you give us the way/relation ID number or at least the changeset,
I can't find any national parks in the area you specified.

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Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

2010-04-09 Thread Markus
One of the affected relations is 191568.

In JOSM it appears blue in colour. 

I have temp removed the national park.

Regards,

Markus

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On 9 April 2010 13:21, Mark marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
 Some how I caused a problem when uploading a national park with an admin
 Boundary when viewed in JOSM.

Can you give us the way/relation ID number or at least the changeset,
I can't find any national parks in the area you specified.
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Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

2010-04-09 Thread Ross Scanlon
And this way by the look of it.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/191568

Can you send the national park as an osm file?

Cheers
Ross


On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 16:49:16 +0930
Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote:

 One of the affected relations is 191568.
 
 In JOSM it appears blue in colour. 
 
 I have temp removed the national park.
 
 Regards,
 
 Markus
 
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 Sent: Friday, 9 April 2010 4:19 PM
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 Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
 
 On 9 April 2010 13:21, Mark marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
  Some how I caused a problem when uploading a national park with an admin
  Boundary when viewed in JOSM.
 
 Can you give us the way/relation ID number or at least the changeset,
 I can't find any national parks in the area you specified.
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Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

2010-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 17:19, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
 One of the affected relations is 191568.

I was the last person to change that relation:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/191568

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Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

2010-04-09 Thread Markus
If the area near way 38666509 is downloaded into JOSM you should be able see
what I mean.

Markus

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Subject: Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

On 9 April 2010 17:19, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
 One of the affected relations is 191568.

I was the last person to change that relation:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/191568
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[talk-au] route or collection relations

2010-04-09 Thread Ross Scanlon
Hi All,

I'm back did you miss me? (probably did not even notice I wasn't here).

Anyway a question in regards to relations.

I've notice some highways getting changed to relations for the name and ref 
number.  Now some are having the relation=collection collection=street whereas 
most are relation=route route=road

As far as I can tell collection is only a proposal has not even been voted on.

Can we please have a consistency on this? either is fine by me but not both.

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Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

2010-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 17:59, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
 If the area near way 38666509 is downloaded into JOSM you should be able see
 what I mean.

You should have used a relation instead of tagging individual ways,
natural=water has to be a closed way or a closed multipolygon.

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Re: [talk-au] route or collection relations

2010-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 18:35, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
 Anyway a question in regards to relations.

 I've notice some highways getting changed to relations for the name and ref 
 number.  Now some are having the relation=collection collection=street 
 whereas most are relation=route route=road

 As far as I can tell collection is only a proposal has not even been voted on.

 Can we please have a consistency on this? either is fine by me but not both.

From what I've seen collections don't seem consistent.

I'd rather not comment on which is better since I'd give a bias answer
about route relations due to me spending so much time adding route
relations.

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Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

2010-04-09 Thread Markus
The lake isn't one of my edits. To fix I assume I would create a relation of
all the lake ways.

Markus.

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To: Markus
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

On 9 April 2010 17:59, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
 If the area near way 38666509 is downloaded into JOSM you should be able
see
 what I mean.

You should have used a relation instead of tagging individual ways,
natural=water has to be a closed way or a closed multipolygon.
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Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

2010-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 18:30, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
 The lake isn't one of my edits. To fix I assume I would create a relation of
 all the lake ways.

Since it wasn't your edit I just fixed it.

Although I couldn't find your national park attached.

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Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem

2010-04-09 Thread Markus
Thanks for fixing it.

Regards,

Markus

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On 9 April 2010 17:59, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote:
 If the area near way 38666509 is downloaded into JOSM you should be able
see
 what I mean.

You should have used a relation instead of tagging individual ways,
natural=water has to be a closed way or a closed multipolygon.
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Re: [talk-au] route or collection relations

2010-04-09 Thread Ross Scanlon
 From what I've seen collections don't seem consistent.

The couple I've just been looking at are far from complete and probably should 
be route=road anyway.
 
 I'd rather not comment on which is better since I'd give a bias answer
 about route relations due to me spending so much time adding route
 relations.

I agree.

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Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names

2010-04-09 Thread Richard Colless




I don't control the software generating the GPS data. I use the
downloads from OSM Australia.

It's not just the navigation. The display doesn't show the correct
names either.

John Smith wrote:

  On 8 April 2010 22:13, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
  
  
I was using my GPS to navigate to an unfamiliar street today. Part of the

  
  
Instead of altering data to make your GPS to work, why not alter the
software generating the GPS data to use information from relations,
otherwise you are (incorrectly) tagging for your software/device.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer


  




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Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names

2010-04-09 Thread Richard Colless




No, it's called the M5 motorway from where it starts near the airport
right through to a point a few kilometres SW of Liverpool. There are
signs saying "M5 motorway" right along this section, and at the end of
the motorway there is a sign that says "Thank you for travelling on the
M5". At that point, its designation changes to F5 - F for Freeway,
meaning no toll.

The section east of King Georges Rd is referred to as "M5 East", but
only for traffic reports. It was opened many years after the original
M5. None of the signage includes the "East" descriptor.

The M4 motorway has just ceased to be a toll road (a few weeks ago),
but as far as I know, there are no plans to change its numerical
description.

Richard.

John Smith wrote:

  On 8 April 2010 22:13, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
  
  
I had a look at the M5, and there is no "name" tag. Naming is only done via
relations, which I'm not familiar with, and I'm not going to alter. Is it OK
to simply add a "name=M5" to all sections of the motorway? I also looked at

  
  
I don't think this is correct, I thought it was called the South West Motorway?

I thought only the section east of King Goerges Rd had M5 in the name?


  




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Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names

2010-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 April 2010 22:14, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote:
 I don't control the software generating the GPS data. I use the downloads
 from OSM Australia.

Regardless, there is software involved in preparing the information
from OSM to Garmin format.

 It's not just the navigation. The display doesn't show the correct names
 either.

The information is probably derived from the place in the data file,
so if you fix one you will probably fix all references to the
information.

I've cc'd Matt on this email to draw his attention to this as I'm not
sure what software he uses to generate the garmin image files...

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Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names

2010-04-09 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 22:24 +1000, Richard Colless wrote:
 No, it's called the M5 motorway from where it starts near the airport
 right through to a point a few kilometres SW of Liverpool. There are
 signs saying M5 motorway right along this section, and at the end of
 the motorway there is a sign that says Thank you for travelling on
 the M5.

Do you wish for the Hume Highway to be referred to as M31 too?  What
about the princes highway being referred to as M1?  If you dont like how
your software works, then change it...

 At that point, its designation changes to F5 - F for Freeway, meaning
 no toll.

Why do some people have such difficulty with the meaning of the word
'free'?  It *CAN* mean you pay no money, but (and especially in the OSM
context), 'free' means freedom.

From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeway

 consequently, the term freeway is sometimes used to refer to a
 toll-free road as opposed to its original meaning – in which the
 component free implies freedom from traffic interference rather
 than at no cost – still used in other countries and in parts of the
 U.S.

So, in other words.. yes, in some parts of the United States, freeway is
implied to mean no toll, whereas in most of the US (and the rest of the
world), freeway means the traffic flows free from restrictions,
regardless of tolls.

 The section east of King Georges Rd is referred to as M5 East, but
 only for traffic reports.

Im sure traffic reports also talk about 'congestion in the city' rather
than 'congestion in haymarket and wynyard'.  That doesnt mean we should
change suburb boundary names for the area to 'City' instead of
'Haymarket'.

 The M4 motorway has just ceased to be a toll road (a few weeks ago),
 but as far as I know, there are no plans to change its numerical
 description.

I was under the impression that road number designations were moving
TOWARDS the Mx (plus A/B/C) standard, not away from it.

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Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names

2010-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 April 2010 09:06, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
 So, in other words.. yes, in some parts of the United States, freeway is
 implied to mean no toll, whereas in most of the US (and the rest of the
 world), freeway means the traffic flows free from restrictions,
 regardless of tolls.

We're not in the US, typically in NSW freeway has been used to imply
free from tolls and motorway means tollway

 I was under the impression that road number designations were moving
 TOWARDS the Mx (plus A/B/C) standard, not away from it.

So far in Sydney only the M7 has shifted, the other routes are still
using the older scheme...

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Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names

2010-04-09 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 09:12 +1000, John Smith wrote:
 On 10 April 2010 09:06, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
  So, in other words.. yes, in some parts of the United States, freeway is
  implied to mean no toll, whereas in most of the US (and the rest of the
  world), freeway means the traffic flows free from restrictions,
  regardless of tolls.
 
 We're not in the US, typically in NSW freeway has been used to imply
 free from tolls and motorway means tollway

As you might have noticed, in brackets there was a phrase 'and the rest
of the world', meaning 'not in the US'.  Can you point to any definition
that freeway implies toll-free?  The wiki page I referrenced seems to
disagree.

  I was under the impression that road number designations were moving
  TOWARDS the Mx (plus A/B/C) standard, not away from it.
 
 So far in Sydney only the M7 has shifted, the other routes are still
 using the older scheme...

So, in other words, they ARE moving towards the scheme?  Im sure I
remember seeing a linked article here the other day about roadnames
changing to a lettered scheme.

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Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names

2010-04-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 April 2010 09:22, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
 As you might have noticed, in brackets there was a phrase 'and the rest
 of the world', meaning 'not in the US'.  Can you point to any definition
 that freeway implies toll-free?  The wiki page I referrenced seems to
 disagree.

I was talking specifically about NSW, you have the F3, the part of the
pacific highway from Sydney to Newcastle, the F6 between Sydney and
Wollongong, and the M5 goes from South West Motorway to the South West
Freeway after the toll booths... I can't think of any other examples
off the top of my head.

 So, in other words, they ARE moving towards the scheme?  Im sure I
 remember seeing a linked article here the other day about roadnames
 changing to a lettered scheme.

The different states are at various stages, and some aren't even
changing. As far as I'm aware most of NSW hasn't changed for the most
part.

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Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes

2010-04-09 Thread Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
Ele confessou a cópia de nomes de outros site de mapa.

Respondi da seguinte forma:

Andre,

Não podemos fazer essa cópia de dados de outras fontes. Isso traz um
risco legal para todo o projeto.

Por favor não faça mais edições até resolvermos essa situação.

obrigado

Acho que é o caso de reverter essas edições. Talvez seja  bom um email
pra lista de assuntos legais tb pra agir da melhor forma possível.



2010/4/8 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com:
 Eu fiz isso também, avise-me se tiver resposta.

 2010/4/8 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com

 Mandei mensagem pelo site ainda hoje pra ele...

 2010/4/8 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com:
  Olá,
 
  Alguém tem contato com o usuário andrerm?
 
  Ele fez muitas edições de nomes de ruas recentemente e gostaria de saber
  em
  que ele está se baseando.
 
  Abs,
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Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes

2010-04-09 Thread Vitor George
Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo
usuário. Alguém se habilita?

Uma atitude que devemos tomar é deixar mais claro no wiki e outros pontos de
entrada que não se deve copiar informações sobre mapas protegidos por
copyright.

2010/4/9 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com

 Ele confessou a cópia de nomes de outros site de mapa.

 Respondi da seguinte forma:

 Andre,

 Não podemos fazer essa cópia de dados de outras fontes. Isso traz um
 risco legal para todo o projeto.

 Por favor não faça mais edições até resolvermos essa situação.

 obrigado

 Acho que é o caso de reverter essas edições. Talvez seja  bom um email
 pra lista de assuntos legais tb pra agir da melhor forma possível.



 2010/4/8 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com:
  Eu fiz isso também, avise-me se tiver resposta.
 
  2010/4/8 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com
 
  Mandei mensagem pelo site ainda hoje pra ele...
 
  2010/4/8 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com:
   Olá,
  
   Alguém tem contato com o usuário andrerm?
  
   Ele fez muitas edições de nomes de ruas recentemente e gostaria de
 saber
   em
   que ele está se baseando.
  
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Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas

2010-04-09 Thread Flávio Henrique
Hmmm...
Blz... alterei o script e o deixei rodando durante a noite. Fui conferir
agora e percebi outro problema: o cloudmade calcula rota utilizando vias
classificadas como tracks.

Não acredito que esse seja o comportamento esperado, pois há inúmeras vias
tracks inseridas com origem IBGE que sequer sei se existem. Alguém
discorda?

Então, seria possível especificar no script para não considerar vias
tracks nos cálculos das rotas?

Grato.

Flávio Henrique



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 Em 8 de abril de 2010 17:32, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com
 escreveu:
  Ótimo Rodrigo. Obrigado!
  Por curiosidade, onde você conseguiu esta informação?
  Pesquisei um monte aqui e não a encontrei.

 Usei o botão Share, no canto superior direito da tela. Ele monta um
 permalink para a rota que tu montou.

 Foi só coletar os dois permalinks, e comparar. Nada de mais :)

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Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas

2010-04-09 Thread Vitor George
Talvez o problema seja a existência destas vias tracks, que devemos editar
para que sejam condizentes com a realidade.

2010/4/9 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com

 Hmmm...
 Blz... alterei o script e o deixei rodando durante a noite. Fui conferir
 agora e percebi outro problema: o cloudmade calcula rota utilizando vias
 classificadas como tracks.

 Não acredito que esse seja o comportamento esperado, pois há inúmeras vias
 tracks inseridas com origem IBGE que sequer sei se existem. Alguém
 discorda?

 Então, seria possível especificar no script para não considerar vias
 tracks nos cálculos das rotas?

 Grato.

 Flávio Henrique



 2010/4/8 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br

 Em 8 de abril de 2010 17:32, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com
 escreveu:
  Ótimo Rodrigo. Obrigado!
  Por curiosidade, onde você conseguiu esta informação?
  Pesquisei um monte aqui e não a encontrei.

 Usei o botão Share, no canto superior direito da tela. Ele monta um
 permalink para a rota que tu montou.

 Foi só coletar os dois permalinks, e comparar. Nada de mais :)

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Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas

2010-04-09 Thread Rodrigo Avila
Em 9 de abril de 2010 12:36, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Então, seria possível especificar no script para não considerar vias
 tracks nos cálculos das rotas?

Infelizmente, na API para Python, não tem como. E acredito que em
outras APIs de roteamento, também não dê pra separar pelo tipo de via.

Para este caso, acho que só se nós mesmos pegássemos um .osm,
retirássemos as vias = tertiary e fizéssemos o roteamento em cima
disto.

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Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas

2010-04-09 Thread Vitor George
Sei que é muito dificil verificar estas vias no meio do nada, e nestes casos
as imagens do yahoo não ajudam.

Uma coisa que tenho curiosidade é saber se poderíamos conseguir algo do
projeto SIVAM, que seguramente tem imagens de alta resolução no norte e
centro-oeste.

2010/4/9 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br

 Em 9 de abril de 2010 13:10, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com
 escreveu:
  Talvez o problema seja a existência destas vias tracks, que devemos
 editar
  para que sejam condizentes com a realidade.

 Também acho.

 Até porque, se nós queremos o caminho mais curto, entende-se que é pra
 calcular o mais curto, independente de onde passamos... por isso
 concordo em ver se estas estradas realmente existem.

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[Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais

2010-04-09 Thread Rodrigo Avila
Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso?

http://goo.gl/qF0d


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Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes

2010-04-09 Thread Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andredrm

2010/4/9 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br:
 Em 9 de abril de 2010 11:52, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo
 usuário. Alguém se habilita?

 Estou tentando achar este user, mas a api não encontra...

 Sabe me dizer o user id, ou a URL da página pessoal (ex.:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fbello) deste usuário?

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Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes

2010-04-09 Thread Vitor George
Ele segue editando... Vou mandar bloquear o usuário e pedir na lista osm pra
reverter as edições.

2010/4/9 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andredrm

 2010/4/9 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br:
  Em 9 de abril de 2010 11:52, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com
 escreveu:
  Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo
  usuário. Alguém se habilita?
 
  Estou tentando achar este user, mas a api não encontra...
 
  Sabe me dizer o user id, ou a URL da página pessoal (ex.:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fbello) deste usuário?
 
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Re: [Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais

2010-04-09 Thread Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
Eu dei uma entrada, mas não consegui achar nada... Pareceu aquelas
inaugurações de ponte que só tem o projeto

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 Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso?

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Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas

2010-04-09 Thread Rodrigo Avila
Em 9 de abril de 2010 13:44, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com escreveu:
 posso ser voto vencido, mas penso que tracks não deveriam ser utilizadas nas
 rotas... mesmo se queremos as mais curtas.
 gostaria de ver as rotas calculadas em rodovias oficiais (mesmo as não
 pavimentadas), que estão nos
 mapas do DNIT, por exemplo.

Neste sentido eu concordo contigo. Prefiro ir para uma cidade sempre
pelas rodovias ou estradas principais.

But...

 gosto da sugestão do Rodrigo em retirar as vias = tertiary... eu já fiz
 algo parecido (trocando as tertiary por secundary) em Goiás (ao menos nas
 rodovias documentadas pelo DNIT)... utilizei um site que aceita consultas
 por parâmetros (não tenho o link agora aqui, mas posto depois).
 então. o que acham de retirar somente as vias tracks, deixando as tertiary?

aqui é que temos o problema: separar as rodovias é a parte fácil (ou
menos difícil). *Rotear* sobre estes dados é que eu não sei como
fazer. Automatizar isto, então...

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Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes

2010-04-09 Thread Samuel Vale
Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 09:52 -0500, Vitor George escreveu:
 Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo
 usuário. Alguém se habilita?
 
 Uma atitude que devemos tomar é deixar mais claro no wiki e outros
 pontos de entrada que não se deve copiar informações sobre mapas
 protegidos por copyright.

Pode ser revertido com aquele script de reversão ou será necessário
retirar os dados do banco? Com o script podemos fazer por nós mesmos,
mas os dados continuam no histórico do banco.

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Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes

2010-04-09 Thread Vitor George
Eu já mandei na talk mesmo... Outras vezes vi gente fazendo isso, e acho que
é ok. É mais uma questão técnica do que legal, creio.

2010/4/9 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com

 É nesse ponto que seria bom postar na lista
 legal-t...@openstreetmap.org  ou similar.

 Daqui do meu trabalho não consigo fazer a inscrição na lista nem
 preparar um email adequado.

 Alguem pode ajudar?

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  Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 09:52 -0500, Vitor George escreveu:
  Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo
  usuário. Alguém se habilita?
 
  Uma atitude que devemos tomar é deixar mais claro no wiki e outros
  pontos de entrada que não se deve copiar informações sobre mapas
  protegidos por copyright.
 
  Pode ser revertido com aquele script de reversão ou será necessário
  retirar os dados do banco? Com o script podemos fazer por nós mesmos,
  mas os dados continuam no histórico do banco.
 
  Abraço,
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Re: [Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais

2010-04-09 Thread Samuel Vale
Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 13:34 -0300, Rodrigo Avila escreveu:
 Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso?
 
 http://goo.gl/qF0d
 

Recebi uma notícia sobre esse portal pelo identi.ca da Voz do Brasil,
mas não tinha obtido o link :). Dei uma olhada mas não obtive sequer
informações sobre licença de uso dos dados. Uma coisa que vi é que tem
exibição de Google maps lá dentro.

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Re: [Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais

2010-04-09 Thread Vitor George
Eu vou fazer contato para ver se eles disponibilizam imagens em alta
resolução para áreas afastadas.

2010/4/9 Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org

 Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 13:34 -0300, Rodrigo Avila escreveu:
  Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso?
 
  http://goo.gl/qF0d
 

 Recebi uma notícia sobre esse portal pelo identi.ca da Voz do Brasil,
 mas não tinha obtido o link :). Dei uma olhada mas não obtive sequer
 informações sobre licença de uso dos dados. Uma coisa que vi é que tem
 exibição de Google maps lá dentro.

 Abraço,
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Re: [Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais

2010-04-09 Thread Flávio Henrique
Mas alguém conferiu se há alguma área afastada com imagem boa?

Nos rápidos testes que fiz aqui, as imagens parecem as mesmas que o Yahoo!
Imagery disponibiliza e que o Potlach utiliza.

Flávio Henrique


2010/4/9 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com

 Eu vou fazer contato para ver se eles disponibilizam imagens em alta
 resolução para áreas afastadas.

 2010/4/9 Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org

 Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 13:34 -0300, Rodrigo Avila escreveu:
  Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso?
 
  http://goo.gl/qF0d
 

 Recebi uma notícia sobre esse portal pelo identi.ca da Voz do Brasil,
 mas não tinha obtido o link :). Dei uma olhada mas não obtive sequer
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 exibição de Google maps lá dentro.

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Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas

2010-04-09 Thread Flávio Henrique
ahh...
só pra informar o site que utilizei para localizar vias tertiary em Goiás:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Query-to-map

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Query-to-mapjá conheciam?
achei muito interessante pois podemos pesquisar por key/value, ou seja, por
valores das tags dos objetos
dá pra encontrar tudo por sua tag.

por exemplo: vias classificadas como 'track' na região de Goiás
http://goo.gl/v3sW

Flávio Henrique


2010/4/9 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br

 Em 9 de abril de 2010 13:44, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com
 escreveu:
  posso ser voto vencido, mas penso que tracks não deveriam ser utilizadas
 nas
  rotas... mesmo se queremos as mais curtas.
  gostaria de ver as rotas calculadas em rodovias oficiais (mesmo as não
  pavimentadas), que estão nos
  mapas do DNIT, por exemplo.

 Neste sentido eu concordo contigo. Prefiro ir para uma cidade sempre
 pelas rodovias ou estradas principais.

 But...

  gosto da sugestão do Rodrigo em retirar as vias = tertiary... eu já fiz
  algo parecido (trocando as tertiary por secundary) em Goiás (ao menos nas
  rodovias documentadas pelo DNIT)... utilizei um site que aceita consultas
  por parâmetros (não tenho o link agora aqui, mas posto depois).
  então. o que acham de retirar somente as vias tracks, deixando as
 tertiary?

 aqui é que temos o problema: separar as rodovias é a parte fácil (ou
 menos difícil). *Rotear* sobre estes dados é que eu não sei como
 fazer. Automatizar isto, então...

 --
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 Analista de Desenvolvimento

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Re: [Talk-de] Gemeindegrenzen finden

2010-04-09 Thread Sven Anders



Für RLP (aber auch andere Bundesländer) gibt es in der Wikipedia
Kartenwerk mit groben Grenzverläufen:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_St%C3%A4dte_und_Gemeinden_in_Rheinland-Pfalz

Die Genauigkeit ist für Anwendungen wie die oben genannte Straßenliste
völlig ausreichend und da keine besseren Datenspenden in Sicht sind,
benutze ich die WP-Karten schon seit ein paar Wochen um
Gemeindegrenzen in RLP einzutragen.

Ist aber natürlich Arbeit. Daher freue ich mich über jeden
Freiwilligen der sich dazu gesellt. ;) Vielleicht gibt es ja eine
Möglichkeit zumindest das Grenznetz aus der SVG-Datei in
OSM-taugliches Format zu transformieren. Das aufwendige Tagging wird
wohl nicht ausbleiben.


Alternativ kann man in Amtlichen Verordnungen nach dem Wort 
Grenzbeschreibung suchen. Mit etwas (bzw. sehr viel)  Glück bekommt 
man eine Textuelle beschreibung der Grenze ala: Die Grenze zwischen 
Gemeinde A und B folgt dem Bahndamm bis zum Fluß C von dort bis zur 
Dorfstraße.


Einfach mal bei der Gemeinde nach dem Grenzverlauf fragen kann auch zum 
erfolg führen. Wenn du gleich reinschreibst, das du den Grenzverlauf in 
OSM eintragen möchtest ist es (sofern die Gemeinde ihn dir rausrückt) 
auch keine Urheberechtsverletzung.


Gruß
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[Talk-de] JOSM und georeferenzieren von Fotos

2010-04-09 Thread dieter jasper
Hallo,
das Georeferenzieren von Fotos ist mit JOSM ja sehr einfach.
Mir ist allerdings aufgefallen, dass ich bei meinen GPS-Tracks 
(MNEA-Dateien mittels PNA Medion 4410) eine Zeitzone von +2:00 
einstellen muss, was ja nicht der in JOSM auswählbaren Zone für 
Deutschland (+ 1:00 Berlin) entspricht. Hier wird offensichtlich die 
Sommerzeit nicht berücksichtig.
Oder gibt es eine andere Erklärung?


MfG
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[Talk-de] nominatim - Hilfestellung bei URL-Aufbau

2010-04-09 Thread Jan Tappenbeck

Moin !

ich möchte mittels nominatim Adressen ermitteln.

Exemplarisch an der Ainmillerstr. 33, München.

Kann mir einer sagen wie die URL aussehen müßte ??

http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen

führt zu

searchresults timestamp=Fri, 09 Apr 10 10:25:19 +0100 
attribution=Data Copyright OpenStreetMap Contributors, Some Rights 
Reserved. CC-BY-SA 2.0. querystring=Ainmillerstr. 33,?M\xFCnchen 
polygon=false 
more_url=http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlexclude_place_ids=accept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen;

/searchresults

und

http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33+M%FCnchen

führt zu

*Fatal error*: Cannot use object of type DB_Error as array in 
*/home/nominatim/search.php* on line *149


Kann mir einer weiterhelfen ??

Gruß Jan :-)
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Re: [Talk-de] nominatim - Hilfestellung bei URL-Aufbau

2010-04-09 Thread Alexander Matheisen
Hallo Jan,

Das sollte funktionieren: 
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?q=Ainmillerstra%C3%9Fe+33,
+M%C3%BCnchenformat=xml

Musst aber darauf achten, dass Straße ausgeschrieben und nicht abgekürzt 
ist! Das unterstützt Nominatim zur Zeit leider noch nicht.


Alex

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Re: [Talk-de] nominatim - Hilfestellung bei URL-Aufbau

2010-04-09 Thread Claudius
Am 09.04.2010 11:25, Jan Tappenbeck:
 Moin !

 ich möchte mittels nominatim Adressen ermitteln.

 Exemplarisch an der Ainmillerstr. 33, München.

 Kann mir einer sagen wie die URL aussehen müßte ??

 http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen

 führt zu

 searchresults timestamp=Fri, 09 Apr 10 10:25:19 +0100
 attribution=Data Copyright OpenStreetMap Contributors, Some Rights
 Reserved. CC-BY-SA 2.0. querystring=Ainmillerstr. 33,M\xFCnchen
 polygon=false
 more_url=http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlexclude_place_ids=accept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen;
 /searchresults

 und

 http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33+M%FCnchen

 führt zu

 *Fatal error*: Cannot use object of type DB_Error as array in
 */home/nominatim/search.php* on line *149

 Kann mir einer weiterhelfen ??

Em ehesten hilft dir die Dokumentation weiter: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim

Achte vor allem darauf, dass du:
1.) Keine Abkürzung verwendest, also z.B. straße ausschreiben
2.) im Querystring Umlaute richtig kodierst

Wenn du das Format mit dem Suchstring direkt nach dem search/ 
verwendest geht das etwas einfacher. An deinem Beispiel:

http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search/Ainmillerstraße%2033,%20München?format=xml

Claudius


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Re: [Talk-de] nominatim - Hilfestellung bei URL-Aufbau

2010-04-09 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 09.04.2010 11:44, schrieb Claudius:
 Am 09.04.2010 11:25, Jan Tappenbeck:
 Moin !

 ich möchte mittels nominatim Adressen ermitteln.

 Exemplarisch an der Ainmillerstr. 33, München.

 Kann mir einer sagen wie die URL aussehen müßte ??

 http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen

 führt zu

 searchresults timestamp=Fri, 09 Apr 10 10:25:19 +0100
 attribution=Data Copyright OpenStreetMap Contributors, Some Rights
 Reserved. CC-BY-SA 2.0. querystring=Ainmillerstr. 33,M\xFCnchen
 polygon=false
 more_url=http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlexclude_place_ids=accept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen;
 /searchresults

 und

 http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33+M%FCnchen

 führt zu

 *Fatal error*: Cannot use object of type DB_Error as array in
 */home/nominatim/search.php* on line *149

 Kann mir einer weiterhelfen ??

 Em ehesten hilft dir die Dokumentation weiter:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim

 Achte vor allem darauf, dass du:
 1.) Keine Abkürzung verwendest, also z.B. straße ausschreiben
 2.) im Querystring Umlaute richtig kodierst


was ist dann richtig ???

Gruß Jan :-)


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Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung

2010-04-09 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Thomas Ineichen schrieb:
 Hallo Falk,
 
 Das ist so nicht richtig. Es gibt auch für den Straßenverkehr
 Regelungen jenseits der StVO. Da sich die StVO an den allgemeinen
 Straßenverkehr richtet muss sie auch nicht alle gesetzlichen
 Ausnahmeregelungen nachvollziehen. Diejenigen, die es angeht wissen
 schon, dass sie dort lang dürfen und sich nicht an das Schild zu
 halten brauchen.
 
 Für  *jede*  Strasse  gibt's  irgendwo  irgendwen  der  irgendann  mal
 irgendwie eine Sonderbewilligung hat.
 
 Hier   geht   es   um  einen 'highway', der auf der Rückseite zwischen
 zwei Häuserreihen dem Bach entlang führt.
 
 http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=50.995148,6.189144z=17
 
 
 Nur  weil  ein  Arbeiter  der  Kommune jede Woche da durchfährt um die
 Abfalleimer  zu leeren, wird draus meiner Meinung nach noch lange kein
 Track.

Natürlich ist das ein Track. Roads for agricultural use, gravel roads
in the forest etc. heißt eben *nicht* dass es landwirtschaftlich
genutzte Wege sein müssen, sonder Wege *wie* Feldwege,
Forstwirtschaftswege etc.

Beschilderung/Access tags sind dazu orthogonal.

Zusätzlich bin ich der Meinung, dass die deutsche Version der
Tagbeschreibung mal wieder viel zu eng gestrickt ist, aber trotzdem
findet sich folgender Passus:

Die Auszeichnung eines Weges als highway=track impliziert
nicht die Zeichen 1026-36,1026-37 und 1026-38 (z.B. Land-
und Forstwirtschaftlicher Verkehr frei).

Disclaimer: das Wiki war von Anfang an als Dokumentation der OSM-Tags
wie sie benutzt werden und als Leitfaden gedacht, und nicht als starre
Vorgabe wie was getaggt zu sein hat.

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Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung

2010-04-09 Thread Thomas Ineichen
Hallo Dirk-Lüder,

 Thomas Ineichen schrieb:
 Hier   geht   es   um  einen 'highway', der auf der Rückseite zwischen
 zwei Häuserreihen dem Bach entlang führt.
 
 http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=50.995148,6.189144z=17
 
 
 Nur  weil  ein  Arbeiter  der  Kommune jede Woche da durchfährt um die
 Abfalleimer  zu leeren, wird draus meiner Meinung nach noch lange kein
 Track.

 Natürlich ist das ein Track. Roads for agricultural use, gravel roads
 in the forest etc. heißt eben *nicht* dass es landwirtschaftlich
 genutzte Wege sein müssen, sonder Wege *wie* Feldwege,
 Forstwirtschaftswege etc.

Sowohl  auf  der  englischen wie auch auf der deutschen Wiki-Seite ist
das 'agricultural use' bzw. 'Land-/Forstwirtschaft aber ein wichtiger
Aspekt bei der Beurteilung.


In der ganzen Diskussion geht es mir eigentlich nur um den Punkt, dass
Wege  über 2.5 Meter breite *nicht* *automatisch* Tracks sind, sondern
dass es auch auf deren Nutzung/Beschilderung ankommt.


Ich  kenne die Situation vor Ort nur von obigem Satelliten-Photo. Aber
gerade dass dieser Weg an den Rückseiten der Häusern entlang führt und
weder  links noch rechts davon landwirtschaftliche Felder sind spricht
für mich gegen highway=track.


 Beschilderung/Access tags sind dazu orthogonal.

Der highway-Key ist eine Zusammenfassung des Gesammteindrucks, daher
kommt  es auf die Prioritäten an, die man setzt.

Für  Dich  ist wichtig: da könnte man mit einem zweispurigen Fahrzeug
langfahren,  auch  wenn es verboten ist, also setze ich highway=track.
Einge genauere Angabe, wer da lang darf, setze ich im access-Key.

Für   mich   ist   wichtig:  da  muss  ich  normalerweise  nicht  mit
zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen, also setze ich ein highway=path. Eine
genauere Angabe, wie breit der Weg ist, setze ich im width-Key.


Viele  Feldwege  in  meiner  Umgebung haben z.B. ein Fahrverbotsschild
(ohne Ausnahme für landw. Fahrzeuge). Diese Wege habe ich aber selbst-
verständlich trotzdem als highway=track eingezeichnet.


 Zusätzlich bin ich der Meinung, dass die deutsche Version der
 Tagbeschreibung mal wieder viel zu eng gestrickt ist, aber trotzdem
 findet sich folgender Passus:

 Die Auszeichnung eines Weges als highway=track impliziert
 nicht die Zeichen 1026-36,1026-37 und 1026-38 (z.B. Land-
 und Forstwirtschaftlicher Verkehr frei).

Ich  glaube,  bei  dieser Klarstellung ging es mehr um den Punkt, dass
highway=track  nicht  zwingend  bedeutet,  dass  man dort mit dem Auto
nicht fahren dürfe.


 Disclaimer: das Wiki war von Anfang an als Dokumentation der OSM-Tags
 wie sie benutzt werden und als Leitfaden gedacht, und nicht als starre
 Vorgabe wie was getaggt zu sein hat.

Oder als Ort, wo man Tags definiert, darüber abstimmt und sie dann wie
im Wiki beschrieben nutzt. ;-)



Gruss,
Thomas



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Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung

2010-04-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 9. April 2010 14:44 schrieb Thomas Ineichen osm.mailingl...@t-i.ch:
 In der ganzen Diskussion geht es mir eigentlich nur um den Punkt, dass
 Wege  über 2.5 Meter breite *nicht* *automatisch* Tracks sind, sondern
 dass es auch auf deren Nutzung/Beschilderung ankommt.


+1, es könnte z.B. auch ein Service sein.


 Ich  kenne die Situation vor Ort nur von obigem Satelliten-Photo. Aber
 gerade dass dieser Weg an den Rückseiten der Häusern entlang führt und
 weder  links noch rechts davon landwirtschaftliche Felder sind spricht
 für mich gegen highway=track.


-1, insbesondere, wenn die Konsequenz dann path sein soll.


 Für   mich   ist   wichtig:  da  muss  ich  normalerweise  nicht  mit
 zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen, also setze ich ein highway=path. Eine
 genauere Angabe, wie breit der Weg ist, setze ich im width-Key.


Wenn Du den Weg nur vom Satellitenfoto kennst, wie willst Du dann
beurteilen, ob Du da mit zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen musst oder
nicht?

Gruß Martin

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Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und georeferenzieren von Fotos

2010-04-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 9. April 2010 10:32 schrieb dieter jasper dieter_jas...@web.de:
 Deutschland (+ 1:00 Berlin) entspricht. Hier wird offensichtlich die
 Sommerzeit nicht berücksichtig.
 Oder gibt es eine andere Erklärung?


+1, es ist die Sommerzeit. Während der Sommerzeit sind es +2 Abweichung.

Gruß Martin

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Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung

2010-04-09 Thread Thomas Ineichen
Hallo MWinkelzeichnerrtin,

 Für   mich   ist   wichtig:  da  muss  ich  normalerweise  nicht  mit
 zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen, also setze ich ein highway=path. Eine
 genauere Angabe, wie breit der Weg ist, setze ich im width-Key.

 Wenn Du den Weg nur vom Satellitenfoto kennst, wie willst Du dann
 beurteilen, ob Du da mit zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen musst oder
 nicht?

Mein  obiger  Absatz  war  allgemein  formuliert  und  nicht  auf  den
konkreten Weg bezogen.


Dass  zwei Personen den selben Weg unterschiedlich bewerten können, es
daher  kein  richtig  oder  falsch  gibt und ich meine unvollkommene
Beurteilung  nicht  als  den  einzig  wahren Weg durchsetzen möchte,
sollte eigentlich aus meiner Mail bereits hervorgegangen sein..


Gruss,
Thomas


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Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung

2010-04-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 9. April 2010 16:03 schrieb Thomas Ineichen osm.mailingl...@t-i.ch:
 Mein  obiger  Absatz  war  allgemein  formuliert  und  nicht  auf  den
 konkreten Weg bezogen.


ja, ich sehe das auch allgemein: wenn ein Weg breit genug ist, dass
zweispurige Fahrzeuge ihn befahren können, und es keine physischen
Hindernisse wie feste Poller oder Findlinge gibt, dann muss man
prinzipiell immer mit zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen.

Gruß Martin

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Re: [Talk-de] Adressen und zughörige Ortsnamen

2010-04-09 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Am 08.04.2010 12:21, schrieb Claudius:

 Ich habe aber auch schon Gebilde wie Stadt OT Ortsteilgesehen. Eine
 andere Variante ist es den Ortsteil in addr:suburb zu schreiben.
 
 Und genau daher würde ich diese Schreibweise dann auch in addr:full 
 notieren. Also an einem Beispiel:
 
 addr:city=Sandersdorf-Brehna
 addr:full=Sandersdorf-Brehna OT Sandersdorf ...
 
 Die Konsturktion mit addr:suburb finde ich daher überflüssig.

-1

erstens: ist das leichter maschinenlesbar

zweitens: wenn ich das KA Schema richtig im Kopf habe
gehört in addr:full die komplette Anschrift also mit Straße, PLZ etc.

Chris


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Re: [Talk-de] Fertige KArten Islas Canarias / Marketing?

2010-04-09 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Am 08.04.2010 16:21, schrieb Daniela Duerbeck:
 Carsten Schwede wrote:
 --generate-sea=multipolygon,extend-sea-sectors,close-gaps=1000


 Tut sehr gut bei mir, aber nur mit Kacheln, die mir splitter.jar 
 geschnitten sind.


 Ich hab nur --generate-sea=polygons
 und es geht auch ohne splitter, aber wichtig ist wohl das typfile. Da 
 muß ein Polygon Land drin sein.
 (Hab ich von dem Spanier).

Ja, das sind die beiden Möglichkeiten.

--generate-sea=multipolygon

erstellt Multipolygone der Wasserflächen mit natural=sea

--generate-sea=polygons

erstellt einen blauen Hintergrund, wo das Landpolygon
drübergelegt wird, und dafür benötigt man eben das
besagte Landpolygon im Typfile.

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Re: [Talk-de] Adressen und zughörige Ortsnamen

2010-04-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 9. April 2010 17:39 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de:
 Am 08.04.2010 12:21, schrieb Claudius:
 addr:city=Sandersdorf-Brehna
 addr:full=Sandersdorf-Brehna OT Sandersdorf ...

 Die Konsturktion mit addr:suburb finde ich daher überflüssig.

 -1

 erstens: ist das leichter maschinenlesbar

 zweitens: wenn ich das KA Schema richtig im Kopf habe
 gehört in addr:full die komplette Anschrift also mit Straße, PLZ etc.

+1, sehe ich gleich. Auch ist ein Tagging-Verfahren, wo man wie oben
vorgeschlagen den Inhalt z.T. doppelt eingibt, m.E. nicht sinnvoll.

Gruß Martin

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Re: [Talk-de] Länge der Küstenlinie

2010-04-09 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Markus schrieb:
 Liebe Profis,
 
 ich möchte gern wissen, wie lang die Küstenlinie ist (weltweit).
 Genauer: ich möchte wissen, wieviele Tiles man rendern muss, wenn man 
 entlang der Küstenlinie einen Meeresstreifen von x-Metern darstellen 
 will (Kontinente und Inseln).

Für Googletiles z12 kann man das in der oceantiles.dat bzw dem
zugehörigen png nachschauen (weisse pixel zählen).

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Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada

2010-04-09 Thread Andrea Decorte
Giusto per fare un confronto, in provincia di Udine avevo iniziato a mettere
qualche relazione per le provinciali, lasciando il ref sulle singole way e
aggiungendo alcune info in più sulla relazione (nome in friulano, lunghezza,
ecc...)
Ciao

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/255619

2010/4/8 Damjan Gerli dam...@damjan.net

  -Izvirno sporocilo-
  Od: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org
  [mailto:talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namesto Luca Delucchi
  Poslano: 7. april 2010 21:03
  Za: openstreetmap list - italiano
  Zadeva: Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada
 
  Il 06 aprile 2010 23.23, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com
  ha scritto:
   2010/4/6 Damjan Gerli dam...@damjan.net:
   Siccome si parlava di relazioni per le strade ho fatto
  qualche prova ed ho definito una nuova relazione [0] per la
  SP1 nella provincia di Trieste. Ho tolto tutti i ref e
  l'apposito name dalle way e li ho messi nella relazione
  (type=route). Per quello che ho capito io dovrebbe essere
  giusto così, solamente vedo che ne mapnik ne osmarender non
  mi mostra nessun nome ne ref. E giusto?
  
   Secondo me hai esagerato.
   Il ref lo puoi lasciare in tutte le way che fanno parte
  della relazione.
   Anche name=Strada Provinciale 1 del Carso puoi lasciarlo in tutte le
   way che non hanno altro nome.
  
 
  +1
 
   Ciao,
   Federico
  
 
  ciao
  Luca

 Ok, allora rimettero i tag mancanti.

 ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada

2010-04-09 Thread Luigi Chiesa
From: Andrea Decorte
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 9:54 AM
To: openstreetmap list - italiano
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada


 Giusto per fare un confronto, in provincia di Udine avevo iniziato a 
 mettere qualche
 relazione per le provinciali, lasciando il ref sulle singole way e 
 aggiungendo alcune
 info in più sulla relazione (nome in friulano, lunghezza, ecc...)

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/255619

Io eviterei informazioni come larghezza o lunghezza perché possono variare 
lungo il percorso.
Un'altra buona abitudine ritengo che sia quella di ordinare i vari spezzoni, 
così è semplice individuare errori. Nella relazione presa ad esempio, 
ordinando, balza all'occhio che la way [1] è stata inserita due volte.

Luigi

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/42212633 


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[Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna

2010-04-09 Thread Tiziano D'Angelo
Ciao a tutti,
conoscendo piuttosto bene la zona della Valle di Primiero in Trentino
[1], ho iniziato a mappare qualche sentiero e località.
Mi sono scontrato con alcuni problemi:

- un sentiero prima stretto (nella fattispecie la Via Nova,
riferimento sentiero 357 [2], antica mulattiera mineraria ora usata
per passeggiate, giri in bici o a cavallo), che si allarga diventando
mulattiera / strada forestale sterrata / strada forestale asfaltata /
etc... Solitamente sulle mappe stradali tradizionali queste way non
vengono disegnate (se non sulle carte escursionistiche), ma tuttavia
vengono usate dai frontisti per raggiungere le baite anche con l'auto
(a volte vi sono divieti di transito, a volte no, a volte divieto di
transito - strada senza collaudo).
Quali sono i tag più appropriati? posso usare highway=path,
bicycle=yes, foot=yes, e in caso vi sia una parte asfaltata
surface=asphalt oppure meglio altri tag highway=track/unclassified
etc..? access=
posso mostrarvi delle foto che esemplificano la situazione non appena le trovo.

- località montane formate da un paio di case rurali/montane (dette
masi) o poco più, solitamente non abitate / occupate solo d'estate.
è giusto usare place=farm? o meglio place=locality o addirittura
place=hamlet? per quanto riguarda il nome di questi place, a volte
esiste una diversa toponomastica italiano / dialetto locale. Userei
name=Colladina per il toponimo italiano mentre che tag dovrei usare
per il toponimo dialettale Coladina? name:dialect=? name:local=?

Grazie per le vostre delucidazioni

Tiziano



[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.1583lon=11.8024zoom=13layers=00B0FTF
[2] 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.16513lon=11.81193zoom=16layers=00B0FTF

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Re: [Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna

2010-04-09 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 09 aprile 2010 11.01, Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com
ha scritto:
 Ciao a tutti,
 conoscendo piuttosto bene la zona della Valle di Primiero in Trentino
 [1], ho iniziato a mappare qualche sentiero e località.
 Mi sono scontrato con alcuni problemi:


 Quali sono i tag più appropriati? posso usare highway=path,
 bicycle=yes, foot=yes, e in caso vi sia una parte asfaltata
 surface=asphalt oppure meglio altri tag highway=track/unclassified
 etc..? access=

per il sentiero puoi usare footway/path per la parte più larga track,
utilizzando i vari tag aggiuntivi (surface, bicycle, foot ecc ecc)

 Userei
 name=Colladina per il toponimo italiano mentre che tag dovrei usare
 per il toponimo dialettale Coladina? name:dialect=? name:local=?


io userei locality e poi name per il nome in italiano e loc_name per
quello locale


 Tiziano


ciao
Luca

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Re: [Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna

2010-04-09 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 4/9/10, Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com wrote:
 - un sentiero prima stretto (nella fattispecie la Via Nova,
 riferimento sentiero 357 [2], antica mulattiera mineraria ora usata
 per passeggiate, giri in bici o a cavallo), che si allarga diventando
 mulattiera / strada forestale sterrata / strada forestale asfaltata /
 etc... [...]

di solito per le strade usate a piedi/bici/cavallo sulle quali e`
fisicamente possibile passare con un auto (o con un mezzo agricolo) si
usa highway=track

poi a parte con i vari access= si specifica la situazione legale (auto
si`, auto no, solo proprietari dei terreni confinati, ecc.)

 - località montane formate da un paio di case rurali/montane (dette
 masi) o poco più,

ho visto che sulla lista internazionale si stava giusto parlando in
questi giorni di case isolate, ma non ho letto i dettagli: Martin
dovrebbe avere informazioni aggiornate :)

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[Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)

2010-04-09 Thread Michele Mordenti
Salve a tutti,
questa sera* racconterò ai presenti il progetto OSM.
Ho delle buone slides di Luca Delucchi preparate per il LinuxDay 2008
da mostrare.
Mi chiedevo se esistesse altro materiale divulgativo già pronto per
queste occasioni.

Ciao.

*http://www.folug.org/2010/04/02/al-via-mapping-party-open-street-map/

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Re: [Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)

2010-04-09 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 09 aprile 2010 12.17, Michele Mordenti michele.morde...@gmail.com
ha scritto:

 Mi chiedevo se esistesse altro materiale divulgativo già pronto per
 queste occasioni.


io ti consiglierei questo [0]

 Ciao.


ciao
Luca

[0] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/italy_miniguida/book.pdf

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[Talk-it] edit incasinati al nord?

2010-04-09 Thread osmema .

salve a tutti, nonostante tutto riesco a connettermi anche da qui.
ora vedendo che il reverse ha funzionato in parte, avevo deciso di editare a 
mano i rimasugli.
attività intrapresa anche, purtroppo,per la disponibilità di tempo notturno 
e, nel mentre, guarda un po'
cosa scopro tra i tag:

source: Regione Lombardia - La banca dati territoriali CTR1 è prodotta da 
Regione
 Lombardia - Infrastruttura per l'Informazione Territoriale.

vbmanu, moliva, guido piazzi, stepedro83,niccolo,alepiova,kaitu,augustus 
kling,rubini 
e altri utenti han usato mappe regionali per completare le osm, per 
strade,edificato,
 cascine,boschi.
altre modifiche derivate dai dati del sit lombardia son ritrovabili (ove non 
presente il source) 
grazie agli altri tag,indicanti il tipo di superficie o l'identificazione 
regionale.

per me questo è un precedente, va bene che non si autorizza l'uso dei dati 
regionali o derivanti, 
ma dovrebbe far riflettere sull'opportunità di avere già una base cartografica
 (che de facto viene già usata).

il punto è: cosa volete fare dei dati coi tag esplicitamente della 
regione,o che cmq posson essere

 ricondotti a documenti pubblici, alla luce del fatto che tali dati e 
tracciati son ormai consolidati?
cancellare tutto e perdere dati?cancellare i tag sconvenienti?

ho visto anche le % di completamento della copertura delle varie regioni, 
a chi diceva che le osm non occorre che sian complete in tempi brevi,
che son comunque usabili, alla luce delle statistiche mi chiedo se usi tali 
mappe per
girare a piedi/bici in città (grandi città oltretutto,hinterland milanese, 
capoluoghi di provincia ecc) 
o se pianifica tragitti più lunghi, diciamo da Dello (BS) a Bova (RC) - un 
banale viaggio al mare - 
o anche solo da una città (oltre 50.000ab) alla piazza di un paese (circa 
10.000ab) in un raggio di 30km.
fatto salva la cartografia escursionistica/sentieristica/ciclistica le osm non 
sono (per il momento)
 utili ai fini sopracitati.

e non parlo della situazione disastrata del sud, ma anche nelle regioni centro 
e settentrionali.

  
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Re: [Talk-it] edit incasinati al nord?

2010-04-09 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 09/04/2010 13:49, osmema . ha scritto:


 il punto è: cosa volete fare dei dati coi tag esplicitamente della 
 regione,o che cmq posson essere
  ricondotti a documenti pubblici, alla luce del fatto che tali dati e 
 tracciati son ormai consolidati?
 cancellare tutto e perdere dati?cancellare i tag sconvenienti?

Avevi già postato questa domanda, e ti era stato risposto chiaramente 
che per quei dati abbiamo autorizzazione esplicita all'uso da parte di 
Regione Lombardia.

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Re: [Talk-it] edit incasinati al nord?

2010-04-09 Thread Simone Cortesi
2010/4/9 osmema . fa...@live.it:
 source: Regione Lombardia - La banca dati territoriali CTR1 è prodotta
 da Regione
  Lombardia - Infrastruttura per l'Informazione Territoriale.

 vbmanu, moliva, guido piazzi, stepedro83,niccolo,alepiova,kaitu,augustus
 kling,rubini
 e altri utenti han usato mappe regionali per completare le osm, per
 strade,edificato,
  cascine,boschi.
 altre modifiche derivate dai dati del sit lombardia son ritrovabili (ove non
 presente il source)
 grazie agli altri tag,indicanti il tipo di superficie o l'identificazione
 regionale.

Per questi dati regionali IO (Simone Cortesi) avevo ottenuto un parere
favorevole da parte della Direzione della Regione Lombardia. Quindi si
possono usare. In regione ci ero andato io, di persona.

Mi pare che il tutto sia abbastanza ben documentato qui:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lombardia_ToDo#Dati_utilizzabili

Se non lo fosse, chiedimi pure.

Tutto quanto non espressamente incluso, è, ovviamente, escluso.

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Re: [Talk-it] FDLD e Mapping Party

2010-04-09 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 08 aprile 2010 13.55, ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto:


 Genova presente!

 Noto che, nonostante la comunità sia crescita, non si tengono più mapping
 party.

più che altro è che poco prendono iniziative e sono più o meno sempre
gli stessi ad organizzare qualcosa


 Alessandro  Ale_Zena_IT


ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna

2010-04-09 Thread ale_z...@libero.it


Messaggio originale
Da: tiziano.dang...@gmail.com
Data: 09/04/2010 12.01
A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org
Ogg: [Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna
.
- località montane formate da un paio di case rurali/montane (dette
masi) o poco più, solitamente non abitate / occupate solo d'estate.
è giusto usare place=farm? o meglio place=locality o addirittura
place=hamlet? per quanto riguarda il nome di questi place, a volte
esiste una diversa toponomastica italiano / dialetto locale. Userei
name=Colladina per il toponimo italiano mentre che tag dovrei usare
per il toponimo dialettale Coladina? name:dialect=? name:local=?

Grazie per le vostre delucidazioni

Tiziano

Se il nome è in un dialetto riconosciuto puoi usare name:xxx dove xxx è il 
codice delle lingue secondo lo standard ISO 639 (puoi guardare qui http://meta.
wikimedia.org/wiki/Lista_di_Wikipedie ). Io per i nomi in dialetto ligure uso 
il tag  name:lij

ciao

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Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada

2010-04-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/4/9 Luigi Chiesa lchi...@tiscalinet.it:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/255619

 Io eviterei informazioni come larghezza o lunghezza perché possono variare
 lungo il percorso.


+1 per la lunghezza (che cos'è la lunghezza? Dipende della precisione
delle curve...), -1 per la larghezza. Si potrebbe anche mettere ai
singoli way pero --- e nel caso che varia si spezzano i way per
addatarsi.

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] [Milano] Foro Buonaparte o Foro Bonaparte?

2010-04-09 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 06/04/2010 22:05, Carlo Stemberger ha scritto:

 La mia proposta:
 name = Foro Bonaparte
 alt_name = Foro Buonaparte

 Chi non è d'accordo?


Visto che siamo tutti d'accordo, ho proceduto.


Ciao!

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Re: [Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)

2010-04-09 Thread Infoweblan di Roberto Vito Gerardo
Ecco altro materiale:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:OSM_cd_toolkit_contents

http://www.openstreetmapitalia.it/



Il giorno 09 aprile 2010 13.32, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

 Il 09 aprile 2010 12.17, Michele Mordenti michele.morde...@gmail.com
 ha scritto:

  Mi chiedevo se esistesse altro materiale divulgativo già pronto per
  queste occasioni.
 

 io ti consiglierei questo [0]

  Ciao.
 

 ciao
 Luca

 [0] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/italy_miniguida/book.pdf

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Re: [Talk-it] OSM usato da Polizia stradale in tv

2010-04-09 Thread Simone Cortesi
2010/4/7 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com:
 Quando mi hanno detto di non utilizzare più osm ho chiesto e ottenuto di
 inserire il logo in ogni immagine come potete constatare da alcuni giorni a
 questa parte, di più non posso, credo che sia comunque una buona vetrina per
 osm e per il software libero in generale.
 scusa mi sa che sono stato io il colpevole :-)
 ho prima contatto la polizia, poi la rai marche..ho parlato con mezza
 sede e poi ho finalmente raggiunto penso il tuo capo (il direttore
 tecnico o qualcosa del genere, ma non ricordo il nome)

Ecco luca, sempre a fare danno :)

Lorenzo, grazie per il tempo che hai dedicato alla divulgazione di OSM
anche su un canale come la TV.

Spero di vederti a genova per osmit.

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Re: [Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)

2010-04-09 Thread Francesco de Virgilio
Il 09 aprile 2010 13.17, Michele Mordenti michele.morde...@gmail.com
ha scritto:
 Salve a tutti,
 questa sera* racconterò ai presenti il progetto OSM.
 Ho delle buone slides di Luca Delucchi preparate per il LinuxDay 2008
 da mostrare.
 Mi chiedevo se esistesse altro materiale divulgativo già pronto per
 queste occasioni.

 Ciao.

 *http://www.folug.org/2010/04/02/al-via-mapping-party-open-street-map/

Ciao Michele,
perdona il campanilismo, ma puoi anche guardare tra le varie slide che
ho presentato in alcuni talk/conferenze. Alcune sono molto simili tra
loro, devi solo scegliere la più appropriata per le tue esigenze ;)

http://fradeve.netsons.org/conferenze/

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Re: [Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)

2010-04-09 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Sul wiki non c'è ancora una pagina che raccolga i link per scaricare 
tutto il materiale divulgativo disponibile?

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Re: [Talk-it] Progetto rete autobus urbani di Padova

2010-04-09 Thread Tiziano D'Angelo
Ciao a tutti,

volevo condividere con voi una buona pratica :)

MAPPATURA OSM BUS/TRAM PADOVA
VI segnalo che la mappatura della rete autobus urbani e suburbani /
tram di Padova è stata ormai completata presumo al 100% salvo errori
per quanto riguarda le fermate.
Sono presenti come routes tutte le linee diurne feriali e festive
nonché le linee suburbane verso Abano/Montegrotto Terme. Mancano
alcuni servizi mattutini particolari (che hanno anche una sola corsa
oppure hanno percorsi davvero strambi [dovrei testarli salendo a
bordo]) ed alcuni servizi limitati a parte del percorso in determinati
orari (bus 5 limitato Strada Piovese o Ferrovia)
Le relazioni per le route sono al momento una per linea (o per
diramazione) ma non ancora una per andata e una per ritorno come
suggerito dall'Oxmoa scheme e altri. Se qualcuno volesse aiutarmi in
questo lavoro, fatemi sapere.

SCHEMI DI LINEA
Grazie ad una proficua collaborazione con Roland Olbricht, è
disponibile all'indirizzo [1] un generatore di schemi di percorso
vettoriali a partire dai dati OSM super personalizzabile (coincidenze
con altre linee, diramazioni, con supporto del tag opening_hours per
mostrare quando è attiva la linea e per supportare diversi percorsi ad
orari diversi, supporto alle abbreviazioni, etc..)

ROUTING ONLINE E SU SMARTPHONE
Su iMetro [2] e nel relativo programma stand alone per telefoni
smartphone è disponibile un database pressoché corretto della rete
aggiornato dai dati OSM (in precedenza era molto lacunoso e senza
coordinate per le fermate) con possibilità di routing spartano da
indirizzo a indirizzo
Sul programma Windows Mobile CIty Adivsor [3] sarà presto disponibile
un database (in XML) di Padova da me curato, con supporto agli orari.
lo sviluppatore ha inserito su mio suggerimento una funzione di import
da CSV OSM per un veloce inserimento delle fermate di una linea. In
futuro sono previste nuove funzionalità come il routing con mappa
(magari OSM!) e GPS per trovare la fermata più vicina/con gli autobus
che passano prima. Forse potremmo coinvolgere lo sviluppatore con le
sue competenze in merito per creare un sito di routing stile Google
Transit basato su OSM.

MAPPE INTERATTIVE
I dati poi sono accessibili tramite Openbusmap aka OPNVKarte [4]
oppure tramite OSMTransport [5] (cui ho chiesto il codice sorgente ma
senza successo)

CONTATTI CON APS Mobilità
Un mese fa ho scritto all'azienda (APS Mobilità) proponendo di
integrare il lavoro fatto nel loro sito (molto carente per
informazioni sui percorsi/mappe dettagliate) ed inviando la mail per
conoscenza ad assessori comunali e provinciali, nonché a Legambiente,
allo sviluppatore del sito APS, etc.. senza ottenere risposta da
nessuno. Ho provato poi con il gruppo facebook dell'APS gestito da
autisti ed uno di loro finalmente mi ha risposto che proverà a portare
avanti la mia proposta in APS, inizialmente presso la rappresentanza
sindacale. Se APS non terrà in considerazione il progetto, allora ho
in mente di lanciare io stesso un portale dedicato da pubblicizzare
presso la clientela e gli autisti (un sito talmente utile e nettamente
superiore a quello APS attuale che basterebbe il solo passaparola per
decretarne il successo :D)
Al momento è già attivo un blog [6] che documenta il progresso della
mappatura nonché notizie e link utili (ad esempio link diretti agli
schemi linea  e mappe interattive).

Ciao
Tiziano

[1] http://78.46.81.38/public_transport.html
[2] http://imetro.nanika.net/metro?o=hg=itv=PADOVA
[3] http://www.cityadvisor.net
[4] http://openbusmap.org/ o
http://www.öpnvkarte.de/?zoom=14lat=45.41316lon=11.88158layers=B
[5] http://3liz.fr/public/osmtransport/index.php?country=Italylocation=Padova
[6] http://padovatrasporti.blogspot.com/

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Re: [Talk-it] OSM usato da Polizia stradale in tv

2010-04-09 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 09 aprile 2010 17.57, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto:


 Ecco luca, sempre a fare danno :)


beh per ora però abbiamo ottenuto un successo ;-) :-)

 Lorenzo, grazie per il tempo che hai dedicato alla divulgazione di OSM
 anche su un canale come la TV.

+1

 -S


ciao
Luca

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Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada

2010-04-09 Thread Federico Cozzi
2010/4/9 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
 +1 per la lunghezza (che cos'è la lunghezza? Dipende della precisione
 delle curve...)

Speriamo che non sia una strada frattale :-)

A proposito: ci sono casi in cui ha senso inserire nella mappa delle
informazioni che - a prima vista - sarebbero deducibili.
Ho appena scoperto il tag
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:duration che va benissimo per i
traghetti.
E' vero che sullo stesso percorso del traghetto ci possono essere
varie corse, ma è comunque una buona informazione.
Dopotutto anche su alcune mappe cartacee c'è scritto Genova - X tot ore

Ciao,
Federico

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[Talk-it] RRaccogliere dati con Nokia Ovi Maps

2010-04-09 Thread Andrea Zaini
Salve a tutti

Vorrei sapere se posso creare i percorsi con i nuovi Nokia abilitati con OVI
MAPS

 

Ho già un Garmin GPS60, ma dovendo valutare l’acquisto di un cellulare… se
riesco ad avere  2 prodotti in uno sarebbe una gran cosa !

 

Grazie

Andrea

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Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada

2010-04-09 Thread Luigi Chiesa
From: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:05 PM
To: openstreetmap list - italiano talk-it@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada

 2010/4/9 Luigi Chiesa lchi...@tiscalinet.it:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/255619

 Io eviterei informazioni come larghezza o lunghezza perché possono 
 variare
 lungo il percorso.

 +1 per la lunghezza (che cos'è la lunghezza? Dipende della precisione
 delle curve...),

La reazione contiene il parametro length e leggendo il wiki dovrebbe 
riguardare la lunghezza dei ponti o delle gallerie, ma lo avevo erroneamente 
scambiato per il parametro maxlength che ha più senso per più way 
consecutive.

 -1 per la larghezza. Si potrebbe anche mettere ai
 singoli way pero --- e nel caso che varia si spezzano i way per
 addatarsi.

Se ho interpretato bene vorresti utilizzare l'ereditarietà dalla relazione 
alla way salvo condizione più restrittiva sulla way stessa?
In una logica di programmazione è corretta, ma risulta poco evidente e 
costringe a controllare la relazione ogni volta.

Luigi 


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[Talk-it] taggare i percorsi di sci-alpinismo

2010-04-09 Thread Fran
Salve a tutti
come faccio a taggare dei percorsi di sci-alpinismo ?

ciao e grazie in anticipo

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Re: [Talk-it] taggare i percorsi di sci-alpinismo

2010-04-09 Thread Federico Cozzi
2010/4/10 Fran france...@firenze.linux.it:
 Salve a tutti
 come faccio a taggare dei percorsi di sci-alpinismo ?

Guarda qui:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps
Penso che il tag di tuo interesse sia piste:type=skitour ma ce ne sono
molti altri disponibili.

Attenzione: questo tag, e gli altri che userai, vanno applicati ad una
way che *non* necessariamente deve essere taggata highway=...
Tale way deve essere taggata con l'opportuno tag highway=... (suppongo
path o track) solo se è un percorso (sentiero, carrareccia o altro)
anche quando la neve non c'è.

Ciao,
Federico

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Re: [Talk-co] Giro que no es posible.

2010-04-09 Thread Rodrigo Castiblanco
Hola

Parece que cloudmade no reconoce las restricciones de giro. Prueba con
http://yournavigation.org/

Por ejemplo:


http://yournavigation.org/?flat=4.7019977649437flon=-74.031052586255tlat=4.7120060868483tlon=-74.033842083631v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik

Rodrigo

2010/4/8 Leonardo Gutierrez l...@autobusesaga.com

 Encontre este giro en el mapa de bogota, me parece que hay nodos que no
 estan bien .


 http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=4.66218lng=-74.061654zoom=18directions=4.709977592321401,-74.05593037605286,4.665398694118884,-74.05826926231384travel=carstyleId=1opened_tab=1

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Re: [Talk-es] Ortofotos Asturias

2010-04-09 Thread Marcial Gómez Martín
Gracias por las aportaciones.


El vie, 09-04-2010 a las 00:18 +0200, Mikel Lizarralde escribió:
 Hola Marcial,
 
 Creo recordar que comentaste en un mensaje anterior que no querían
 ceder sus datos para que se utilizaran con fines comerciales... es
 así? Entonces no sirve para OSM.

En efecto, este parece ser el mayor problema; pero no es que no quieran,
sino que lo presentan como el escollo actual a salvar (al menos es la
impresión que me quedó). La cuestión es convencerles de que puede ser
conveniente cambiar esa situación. Esto es una decisión que no pueden
tomar las personas con las que hablé y, por eso es importante aportar
ejemplos de otras administraciones que sí lo hayan hecho, para intentar
convencer al político al cargo del tema.



 Si no es así:
 
 Si quieren hacer una liberación e importación como en Barcelona
 Metropolitano, que están haciendo Jaume y compañía, hará falta que
 inviertan dinero.
 
 Qué hacer si no quieren gastar nada?
 
 Cambiar de licencia. Pasar del copyright a CC-BY-SA, por ejemplo (o lo
 que venga para OSM).
 
 Es lo que han hecho en Gipuzkoa y en el Gobierno Vasco. Cambian la
 licencia y los usuarios cogemos lo que nos de la gana.

También yo creo que esto es lo más sencillo y directo (aunque seguro que
sencillo en la daministración no hay nada). Sin embargoa, cuando les
hablé de las ortofotos, me dijeron que no son suyas, que firman un
convenio con el IGN (creo) para usarlas y que ellos no pueden cambiar
esa licencia porque las fotos no son suyas (al menos del todo). Por eso
me interesa saber cómo ha sido lo de Castilla y León, porque me
comentaron que si allí lo habían hecho, aquí se podría hacer siguiendo
el mismo procedimiento.


 Qué ganan con esto?
 
 - Son cool. Pueden sacar una nota de prensa donde dicen que han
 liberado sus datos públicos siguiendo la oleada internacional de dar
 acceso libre a los ciudadanos, como ya lo han hecho Estados Unidos,
 Londres, varias ciudades canadienses, etc.
 
 - Mejora el estado del mapa en OSM. Hay que recordar que OSM será cada
 vez más utilizado como recurso de mapas, para GPS, papel, web, etc.
 Por ello, al Principado le interesa que sus mapas estén bien.
 
 - Los ciudadanos ya hemos pagado por esos datos, queremos hacer con
 ellos lo que nos da la gana!
 
 - Cuanto les cuesta mantener actualizada su cartografía? Gracias a OSM
 y la participación ciudadana, este gasto puede reducirse. Serán los
 usuarios de OSM los que puedan decirles qué cambios ha habido en los
 mapas.
 
 - etc. no se me ocurren más cosas :)

Estas ideas me valen de mucho... ¿a alguien se le ocurre algo más?




 Animo!
 
 Mikel
 
 2010/4/8 Raúl Martínez Fernández martinezf.r...@gmail.com
 Hola,
 Esto quizás podría ayudar, está recién salido:
 
 
 http://www.euskadinnova.net/innovacion-social/noticias/gobierno-vasco-empiez
 a-liberar-datos-publicos/6495.aspx

Muchas gracias, esto puede ser de una inestimable ayuda.

 Un saludo,
 Raul
 
 -Mensaje original-
 De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org
 [mailto:talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org] En nombre de
 Marcial Gómez Martín
 Enviado el: jueves, 08 de abril de 2010 14:02
 Para: talk-es@openstreetmap.org
 Asunto: [Talk-es] Ortofotos Asturias
 
 
 Siento ponerme pesado, pero nadie respondió a mi último
 mensaje. Tengo
 que volver a hablar con Oscar (del servicio de cartografía del
 Principado) y necesito aportar algunos datos. He indagado por
 ahí,
 nutriéndome de la lista y de presentaciones y documentos de
 Iván y
 tengo una lista de administraciones que han liberado datos,
 pero de
 otras no sé gran cosa. Por ejemplo, las ortofotos de castilla
 y León,
 ¿qué tipo de permiso hay para usarlas? Sé que se dio el
 permiso para su
 uso por medio de un correo electrónico, pero no sé si hay algo
 más firme
 detrás.
 Aquí, me pidieron que les dijese cómo lo habían hecho en otros
 sitios,
 (y en concreto en CyL), para ver la forma de poder hacerlo
 ellos
 también. Disposición tenían, pero hay que convencer al
 consejero.
 Por otra parte, he visto que mencionáis al Instituto
 Cartográfico de
 Andalucía y a la Conselleria d'Infraestructures i Transport de
 la
 Generalitat Valenciana, pero no sé lo que han hecho
 concretamente.
 
 Agradecería una ayudita para ver si podemos convencer a los
 del
 principado, aunque sólo sea para poder usar las ortofotos.
 Un saludo, Marcial
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Talk-at] Autobahn Raststation Mondsee

2010-04-09 Thread Michael Pichler
Bei der Raststätte Mondsee kann man zum Mondsee / Bundesstraße abfahren. 
War aber schon länger nicht mehr dort, könnte sein, dass diese 
Geheimauffahrt inzwischen gesperrt ist. Falls wer die Tankstelle dort 
weiß, bitte eintragen.

Stefan Hirschmann schrieb:
 Dauser Martin Johannes wrote:
 Hallo,

 ich habe die Raststation Mondsee, zu finden bei

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.836771lon=13.395519zoom=18layers=B000FTF

 aktualisiert und etwas verfeinert (ist aber im Westen noch nicht ganz
 vollständig).

 Jemand (Walter Schlögl) hatte das ganze Areal mit eine Fläche:
 * highway=services
 * name= Raststätte Mondsee
 hinterlegt. Ich glaube nicht, dass dies so passt ich habe aber im JOSM
 unter landuse= auch nicht wirklich etwas passendes gefunden. Weiss da
 jemand Rat bzw. wie trägt man den Raststättennamen ein?
 
 Ich habe es damals so gemacht (Rosenberger Pettnau/Tirol): 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.28454lon=11.164672zoom=18layers=B000FTF
  
 also im wesentlichen das Gelände als Parkplatz getaggt und das Gebäude 
 als Restaurant.
 
 
 Und noch eine zweite Frage dazu: Die Autobahnabfahrt und Auffahrt,
 sollten die wirklich mit highway=service eingetragen werden oder sollte
 man wie bei normalen Auf- und Abfahrten highway=motorway_link verwenden?
 -natürlich dann im Raststättenbereich nicht mehr.
 
 Hier ist das von mir verwendete Beispiel schlecht, weil es sich bei der 
 Raststätte Rosenberger sowohl um eine Raststätte als auch eine 
 Autobahnab/auffahrt handelt. Glaub das ist in Österreich einmalig.
 
 Ich würde einen motorway_link nur verwenden, wenn an dieser Stelle die 
 Autobahn verlassen oder erstmalig erreicht werden kann. Dies ergibt sich 
 meiner Meinung nach aus der Bedeutung von Auffahrt (ich war vorher nicht 
 oben), bzw. Abfahrt (ich bin danach nicht mehr oben). Hingegen ist die 
 Raststätte ein Teil der Autobahn, es herrscht in AT sogar 
 Vignettenpflicht auf der Autobahnraststätte.
 
 Auch wegen der sinngemäßen Bedeutung von motorway_link: Link ist eine 
 Verbindung würde ich sagen, dass ein Link nur dann sein kann, wenn eine 
 Autobahn mit etwas ungleich sich selber verbunden wird. Und eine 
 Raststätte ist nach meinem Verständnis keine Verbindung.
 
 Dies ist aber nur meine Meinung, die durch Wortableitungen entstanden 
 ist. Ich habe kA was in DE der Konsens. Meines wissens ist aber 
 highway=service das passendeste Tag, weil eine Autobahnraststätte nur 
 ein Parkplatz ist, welcher über ein Restaurant verfügt und 
 highway=service eine Zufahrt zu einem Parkplatz ist.
 
 
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Re: [Talk-at] Wegpunkte zu POI's wandeln

2010-04-09 Thread Boris Cornet
Schönen guten Tag OpenStreetMap!

Heute (9. April) um 11:50 schriebst du:
 Ich habe Wegpunkte aufgezeichent mit Hausnummern (Der Name des Wegpunktes ist
 die Hausnummer). Kann man diese auf einfache weise direkt in JOSM übernehmen
 ohne sie nachzeichnen zu müssen?

Da sehe ich ein Problem: Der Wegpunkt liegt auf der Straße, aber die
Hausnummer soll auf's Gebäude...

 osm und gpx sind ja beides XML-Files, kann ich diese irgendwie konvertieren?
Äh, natürlich geht das, und trotzdem sollte es nicht gemacht werden.
Bei POIs mag's vielleicht Ausnahmen geben, aber gpx tracks: NO WAY!

Ich glaube nicht dass du das vorhast, aber ich würde bei der
Gelegenheit gerne meinen Ärger ablassen:

Es gibt immer wieder Leute, die meinen, extra cool zu sein, indem sie
ihre tracks umwandeln und hochladen. Der Rest der Welt ärgert sich
dann mit mäandernden Punktewolken herum. Es gibt nicht umsonst die
Funktion zum Hochladen von GPX-tracks als Hintergrund, und wenn man
selber zu faul ist zum nachzeichnen, andere freuen sich über die
Datenspende! 

(aber alegria6208 hört eh bestimmt nicht zu, der fügt bestimmt gerade
wieder hunderte Punkte in eine Gerade ein oder zeichnet perfekte
Kurven, wo gar keine sind...)

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Re: [Talk-at] Autobahn Raststation Mondsee

2010-04-09 Thread Peter Holzleitner
Michael Pichler wrote:
 Bei der Raststätte Mondsee kann man zum Mondsee / Bundesstraße abfahren. 
 War aber schon länger nicht mehr dort, könnte sein, dass diese 
 Geheimauffahrt inzwischen gesperrt ist. 
Weder gesperrt noch geheim, teilweises Fahrverbot IIRC.
Ist auch eingezeichnet (name=Warte am See), wenn auch sehr ungenau und 
eckig.

Was noch gefehlt hat, war der OEAMTC.  Die Schlaufe dorthin ist derzeit 
nur grob eingetragen, weil nur ein einzelner, schlechter GPS Track 
vorhanden ist - daher auf RESURVEY gesetzt.

lG

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Re: [Talk-at] Wegpunkte zu POI's wandeln

2010-04-09 Thread Memo5
Hallo!

 Schönen guten Tag OpenStreetMap!
 
 Heute (9. April) um 11:50 schriebst du:
  Ich habe Wegpunkte aufgezeichent mit Hausnummern (Der Name des Wegpunktes
  ist die Hausnummer). Kann man diese auf einfache weise direkt in JOSM
  übernehmen ohne sie nachzeichnen zu müssen?
 
 Da sehe ich ein Problem: Der Wegpunkt liegt auf der Straße, aber die
 Hausnummer soll auf's Gebäude...

Ich habe die Wegpunkte mit GpsMid aufgenommen und die Punkte dann schon aufs 
Gebäude gesetzt, die Position kann also direkt übernommen werden.
 
  osm und gpx sind ja beides XML-Files, kann ich diese irgendwie
  konvertieren?
 
 Äh, natürlich geht das, und trotzdem sollte es nicht gemacht werden.
 Bei POIs mag's vielleicht Ausnahmen geben, aber gpx tracks: NO WAY!

Und wie geht das? Es soll gleich als Adresse eingetragen werden.
 
lg, memo5

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[Talk-ca] Cowichan River Provincial Park / Atlas Canada River relations Hope, BC

2010-04-09 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi, 2 pictures.

You can see the difference in the park.  .. and it looks like the CVRD is
better (the NRCan Protected areas looks to be off-center).

And you can see how the river as a multi-polygon covers the whole area.
http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/Rgv_buUpFcoZyo3VtWNleA?feat=directlink

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.82823lon=-124.03466zoom=16layers=B000FTF


And for the Frasier River - Hope.  I use waterway=riverbank  and have it as
separate polygons,
http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/181yx4-Fn6qo1y6Ids5RbA?feat=directlink

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.384lon=-121.44918zoom=16layers=B000FTF


Which is better?
Connected Polygons or a relation?

BTW, in my example, i have the ways which are not named and oneway=yes, and
the waterway=riverbank has the name of the river.   Perhaps that should be
reversed?

Cheers,
Sam

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