[Talk-hr] Ivanić Grad
Gledam OSM kartu i Ivanić Grad mi baš upada u oko jer je vrlo slabo kartiran. Hoćemo napraviti neku virtualno promoviranje OSM-a? Možda na FER news grupi? Sigurno ima ljudi iz Ivanić Grada koji studiraju na FERu. Ili neki lokalni forum? Znate nekoga iz Ivanić Grada? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless, ronjenje, pametne kuće registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] HULK iGot-U GPS-ovi?
On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 22:15:10 +0200, hbogner wrote: Nisam organizator, samo dostavljac, sutra se 2 uredjaja vracaju u ZG pa ih predam Nixi. Čuo sam se s Nixom on ide dosta rano za Našice iz Zg-a. Pošto sam u nedjelju u Zagrebu molim te mi javi gdje se možemo naći u poslijepodnevnim satima - oko 16h, još ne znam kada ću točno biti slobodan pa te molim da mi se javiš na 091-3000-606 sms-om ili pozivom za dogovor. Valent. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless, ronjenje, pametne kuće registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[talk-ph] Planning the Corregidor Mapping Party (was Re: Araw ng Kagitingan mapping suggestion)
Hi guys, After the successful Marikina Mapping Party, let's now plan our summer Mapping Party in Corregidor! The wiki announcement page is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party And the planning page is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party/Planning It seems our best bet so far is to talk to the Corregidor Foundation Inc., which is the Department of Tourism agency in charge of the island's administration. I guess we should inform them what we plan to do and if they are OK with it. (I guess we should tell them what we did in Tagaytay to give them an idea.) Maybe we can even get some logistical support. :-) Who wants us to go visit them? They are at the DOT building in Rizal Park: http://osm.org/go/4zhF0Ul4g-- Eugene (osm:seav) On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Tomorrow, the Philippines celebrates Araw ng Kagitingan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araw_ng_Kagitingan I suggest we focus some mapping time to map various historic markers related to WWII events. In most towns you can find historical markers about a local battle against Japanese Occupation or a local hero. Suggested tagging: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/historic_marker Coincidentally, the next mapping party will be in Corregidor. I suggest we start planning for the vent: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Planning the Corregidor Mapping Party (was Re: Araw ng Kagitingan mapping suggestion)
Weee!! May draft na or letter na ipapakita sa DOT? Sama sana ko kaso hindi ako puwede humarap sa tao eh. Offensive daw itsura ko sa mga taong may matitinong trabaho. :D Excited na ko. On Saturday, 10 April, 2010 01:00 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrot e: Hi guys, After the successful Marikina Mapping Party, let's now plan our summer Mapping Party in Corregidor! The wiki announcement page is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party And the planning page is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party/Planning It seems our best bet so far is to talk to the Corregidor Foundation Inc., which is the Department of Tourism agency in charge of the island's administration. I guess we should inform them what we plan to do and if they are OK with it. (I guess we should tell them what we did in Tagaytay to give them an idea.) Maybe we can even get some logistical support. :-) Who wants us to go visit them? They are at the DOT building in Rizal Park: http://osm.org/go/4zhF0Ul4g-- Eugene (osm:seav) On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow, the Philippines celebrates Araw ng Kagitingan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araw_ng_Kagitingan I suggest we focus some mapping time to map various historic markers related to WWII events. In most towns you can find historical markers about a local battle against Japanese Occupation or a local hero. Suggested tagging: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/historic_marker Coincidentally, the next mapping party will be in Corregidor. I suggest we start planning for the vent: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Corregidor_Mapping_Party -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Delijn data: POI van alle haltes
Ik heb uit stops.csv een POI proberen te maken, maar ik zie dat er ik er ?50 meter naast zit. Zou dat de precisie zijn van die Lambert72 coordinaten, die mankeert?? Hoe weet je dat je er 50m naast zit? Waarmee vergelijk je? Het eerste dat ik zou doen is een paar bushaltes nemen die je weet zijn en de lambertcoords van De Lijn vergelijken me werkelijke lambertcoords. Laatste keer dat ik keek waren alle geoloketten van AGIV, provincie... nog gewoon in Lambert 72. Daar kan je die makkelijk bepalen. Eens je zeker bent dat de coords van De Lijn correct zijn, kan je je afvragen of je vergelijkingsmateriaal correct gegeorefereerd is en pas dan denken aan fouten in de conversie. wouter -- Wie niet in zichzelf gelooft, komt nergens. - Thor Heyerdahl ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code: Last Orders Please
Hi Folks, A final reminder to anyone intending to apply to Google Summer of Code that you must submit your application *via Google's web site* ( http://socghop.appspot.com) *by 19:00 UTC Today* (Friday 09 April). Regards Graham. -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:57:37 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: It would be ideal if it would use small areas of only few square km around each edit, idea beeing so that xybot edits don't show in history tab when looking at some area that wasn't edited. Example of area size that xybot uses: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/184632/xybot.png Ideally I would like to see bot edits in area that I'm looking at but not ones 5000km away ;( Anybody? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless, ronjenje, pametne kuće registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size
Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either 10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size
Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either 10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first? Neither option exists, and the first one you mention is not even possible since osc files do not necessarily have spatial information for ways and relations. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size
The best way to get rid of bot changes is to ensure that as fews as possible errors get into osm no errors = no need to correct some of the corrections made by xybot are possible to avoid by making the editors a little smarter foreksample Removing surrounding whitespace and empty tags i checked one node and it was a trailing whitespace made in Potlatch 1.3e it should be a nobrainer to automaticly remove surrounding whitespace in potlatch when a user enters one -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:15 PM To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either 10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first? Neither option exists, and the first one you mention is not even possible since osc files do not necessarily have spatial information for ways and relations. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size
The best way to get rid of bot changes is to ensure that as fews as possible errors get into osm no errors = no need to correct some of the corrections made by xybot are possible to avoid by making the editors a little smarter foreksample Removing surrounding whitespace and empty tags i checked one node and it was a trailing whitespace made in Potlatch 1.3e it should be a nobrainer to automaticly remove surrounding whitespace in potlatch when a user enters one -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:15 PM To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Isn't there some option to osmosis that bot operators could easily use to convert their huge .osc files into something that's split by either 10km^2 or 1000 changes, whatever comes first? Neither option exists, and the first one you mention is not even possible since osc files do not necessarily have spatial information for ways and relations. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Reversion of Edits
Hi there, There is a user in Brazil that is copying street names and other things from copyrighted maps. We've already talked to him. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andredrm He's a new user, so I think we can reverted all of its edits. How can we do this? Vitor ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Reversion of Edits
On 9 Apr 2010, at 17:43, Vitor George wrote: Hi there, There is a user in Brazil that is copying street names and other things from copyrighted maps. We've already talked to him. Can you please elaborate on your contact with the user? What has been said? Is he happy for the revert? Shaun http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andredrm He's a new user, so I think we can reverted all of its edits. How can we do this? Vitor ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size
Sorry i dont know Flash or ActionScript and after thinking about it. it would be better to handle it on the server and i dont know rails ruby or what it is called but i have looked at the source and i think i have found the spot where the change has to be made in way.rb line 189 def add_tag_keyval(k, v) @tags = Hash.new unless @tags # duplicate tags are now forbidden, so we can't allow values # in the hash to be overwritten. raise OSM::APIDuplicateTagsError.new(way, self.id, k) if @tags.include? k @tags[k] = v end as i said before i dont know ruby, but a little googling i found strip so i think that it should be @tags[k.strip] = v.strip there should also be a check if the trimmed v and k are empty and raise errors accordingly and the same changes should also be made in node.rb line 255 cheers Martin (LiFo) -- From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:54 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] xybot edit area size Martin Fossdal Guttesen wrote: it should be a nobrainer to automaticly remove surrounding whitespace in potlatch when a user enters one I agree. Since it's so easy, I look forward to your patch. :) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/xybot-edit-area-size-tp4863523p4877907.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Veldtocht ... wie?
Hallo allen, Iemand zin om de meeting in de provincie Utrecht te regelen? Ik ken de regio daarvoor niet goed genoeg... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Netherlands/Veldtocht_2010 Hulp nodig? mail me even. Gr, Henk ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Presenteren op State of the Map?
Hallo allen, Net als vorig jaar wordt ook dit jaar de OpenStreetMap conferentie weer gehouden. Afgelopen jaar was deze lekker dichtbij in Amsterdam. Dit jaar is het in zonnige Spanje. Girona om precies te zijn. De organisatie is druk bezig om een interessant programma vast te stellen. Daarom deze oproep/vraag: ben je met iets interessants bezig mbt OpenStreetMap, heb je onderzoek gedaan mbt OpenStreetMap of open geo data, of welaan, heb je iets aan de internationale OpenStreetMap community te melden ... dit is je kans! Maak een korte samenvatting van wat je te vertellen hebt, en vul de Call for Papers formulier in op www.stateofthemap.org. Ik zeg: gewoon doen! Groet, Henk Hoff ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
On 9 April 2010 13:21, Mark marku...@bigpond.com wrote: Some how I caused a problem when uploading a national park with an admin Boundary when viewed in JOSM. Can you give us the way/relation ID number or at least the changeset, I can't find any national parks in the area you specified. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
One of the affected relations is 191568. In JOSM it appears blue in colour. I have temp removed the national park. Regards, Markus -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 9 April 2010 4:19 PM To: Mark Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem On 9 April 2010 13:21, Mark marku...@bigpond.com wrote: Some how I caused a problem when uploading a national park with an admin Boundary when viewed in JOSM. Can you give us the way/relation ID number or at least the changeset, I can't find any national parks in the area you specified. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2797 - Release Date: 04/09/10 04:02:00 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
And this way by the look of it. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/191568 Can you send the national park as an osm file? Cheers Ross On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 16:49:16 +0930 Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: One of the affected relations is 191568. In JOSM it appears blue in colour. I have temp removed the national park. Regards, Markus -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 9 April 2010 4:19 PM To: Mark Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem On 9 April 2010 13:21, Mark marku...@bigpond.com wrote: Some how I caused a problem when uploading a national park with an admin Boundary when viewed in JOSM. Can you give us the way/relation ID number or at least the changeset, I can't find any national parks in the area you specified. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2797 - Release Date: 04/09/10 04:02:00 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
On 9 April 2010 17:19, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: One of the affected relations is 191568. I was the last person to change that relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/191568 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
If the area near way 38666509 is downloaded into JOSM you should be able see what I mean. Markus -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 9 April 2010 5:16 PM To: Markus Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem On 9 April 2010 17:19, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: One of the affected relations is 191568. I was the last person to change that relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/191568 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2797 - Release Date: 04/09/10 04:02:00 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] route or collection relations
Hi All, I'm back did you miss me? (probably did not even notice I wasn't here). Anyway a question in regards to relations. I've notice some highways getting changed to relations for the name and ref number. Now some are having the relation=collection collection=street whereas most are relation=route route=road As far as I can tell collection is only a proposal has not even been voted on. Can we please have a consistency on this? either is fine by me but not both. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
On 9 April 2010 17:59, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: If the area near way 38666509 is downloaded into JOSM you should be able see what I mean. You should have used a relation instead of tagging individual ways, natural=water has to be a closed way or a closed multipolygon. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] route or collection relations
On 9 April 2010 18:35, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Anyway a question in regards to relations. I've notice some highways getting changed to relations for the name and ref number. Now some are having the relation=collection collection=street whereas most are relation=route route=road As far as I can tell collection is only a proposal has not even been voted on. Can we please have a consistency on this? either is fine by me but not both. From what I've seen collections don't seem consistent. I'd rather not comment on which is better since I'd give a bias answer about route relations due to me spending so much time adding route relations. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
The lake isn't one of my edits. To fix I assume I would create a relation of all the lake ways. Markus. -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 9 April 2010 5:45 PM To: Markus Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem On 9 April 2010 17:59, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: If the area near way 38666509 is downloaded into JOSM you should be able see what I mean. You should have used a relation instead of tagging individual ways, natural=water has to be a closed way or a closed multipolygon. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2797 - Release Date: 04/09/10 04:02:00 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
On 9 April 2010 18:30, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: The lake isn't one of my edits. To fix I assume I would create a relation of all the lake ways. Since it wasn't your edit I just fixed it. Although I couldn't find your national park attached. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem
Thanks for fixing it. Regards, Markus -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 9 April 2010 5:45 PM To: Markus Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Admin Boundary Problem On 9 April 2010 17:59, Markus marku...@bigpond.com wrote: If the area near way 38666509 is downloaded into JOSM you should be able see what I mean. You should have used a relation instead of tagging individual ways, natural=water has to be a closed way or a closed multipolygon. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2797 - Release Date: 04/09/10 04:02:00 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] route or collection relations
From what I've seen collections don't seem consistent. The couple I've just been looking at are far from complete and probably should be route=road anyway. I'd rather not comment on which is better since I'd give a bias answer about route relations due to me spending so much time adding route relations. I agree. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
I don't control the software generating the GPS data. I use the downloads from OSM Australia. It's not just the navigation. The display doesn't show the correct names either. John Smith wrote: On 8 April 2010 22:13, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: I was using my GPS to navigate to an unfamiliar street today. Part of the Instead of altering data to make your GPS to work, why not alter the software generating the GPS data to use information from relations, otherwise you are (incorrectly) tagging for your software/device. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
No, it's called the M5 motorway from where it starts near the airport right through to a point a few kilometres SW of Liverpool. There are signs saying "M5 motorway" right along this section, and at the end of the motorway there is a sign that says "Thank you for travelling on the M5". At that point, its designation changes to F5 - F for Freeway, meaning no toll. The section east of King Georges Rd is referred to as "M5 East", but only for traffic reports. It was opened many years after the original M5. None of the signage includes the "East" descriptor. The M4 motorway has just ceased to be a toll road (a few weeks ago), but as far as I know, there are no plans to change its numerical description. Richard. John Smith wrote: On 8 April 2010 22:13, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: I had a look at the M5, and there is no "name" tag. Naming is only done via relations, which I'm not familiar with, and I'm not going to alter. Is it OK to simply add a "name=M5" to all sections of the motorway? I also looked at I don't think this is correct, I thought it was called the South West Motorway? I thought only the section east of King Goerges Rd had M5 in the name? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
On 9 April 2010 22:14, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: I don't control the software generating the GPS data. I use the downloads from OSM Australia. Regardless, there is software involved in preparing the information from OSM to Garmin format. It's not just the navigation. The display doesn't show the correct names either. The information is probably derived from the place in the data file, so if you fix one you will probably fix all references to the information. I've cc'd Matt on this email to draw his attention to this as I'm not sure what software he uses to generate the garmin image files... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 22:24 +1000, Richard Colless wrote: No, it's called the M5 motorway from where it starts near the airport right through to a point a few kilometres SW of Liverpool. There are signs saying M5 motorway right along this section, and at the end of the motorway there is a sign that says Thank you for travelling on the M5. Do you wish for the Hume Highway to be referred to as M31 too? What about the princes highway being referred to as M1? If you dont like how your software works, then change it... At that point, its designation changes to F5 - F for Freeway, meaning no toll. Why do some people have such difficulty with the meaning of the word 'free'? It *CAN* mean you pay no money, but (and especially in the OSM context), 'free' means freedom. From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeway consequently, the term freeway is sometimes used to refer to a toll-free road as opposed to its original meaning – in which the component free implies freedom from traffic interference rather than at no cost – still used in other countries and in parts of the U.S. So, in other words.. yes, in some parts of the United States, freeway is implied to mean no toll, whereas in most of the US (and the rest of the world), freeway means the traffic flows free from restrictions, regardless of tolls. The section east of King Georges Rd is referred to as M5 East, but only for traffic reports. Im sure traffic reports also talk about 'congestion in the city' rather than 'congestion in haymarket and wynyard'. That doesnt mean we should change suburb boundary names for the area to 'City' instead of 'Haymarket'. The M4 motorway has just ceased to be a toll road (a few weeks ago), but as far as I know, there are no plans to change its numerical description. I was under the impression that road number designations were moving TOWARDS the Mx (plus A/B/C) standard, not away from it. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
On 10 April 2010 09:06, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: So, in other words.. yes, in some parts of the United States, freeway is implied to mean no toll, whereas in most of the US (and the rest of the world), freeway means the traffic flows free from restrictions, regardless of tolls. We're not in the US, typically in NSW freeway has been used to imply free from tolls and motorway means tollway I was under the impression that road number designations were moving TOWARDS the Mx (plus A/B/C) standard, not away from it. So far in Sydney only the M7 has shifted, the other routes are still using the older scheme... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 09:12 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 10 April 2010 09:06, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: So, in other words.. yes, in some parts of the United States, freeway is implied to mean no toll, whereas in most of the US (and the rest of the world), freeway means the traffic flows free from restrictions, regardless of tolls. We're not in the US, typically in NSW freeway has been used to imply free from tolls and motorway means tollway As you might have noticed, in brackets there was a phrase 'and the rest of the world', meaning 'not in the US'. Can you point to any definition that freeway implies toll-free? The wiki page I referrenced seems to disagree. I was under the impression that road number designations were moving TOWARDS the Mx (plus A/B/C) standard, not away from it. So far in Sydney only the M7 has shifted, the other routes are still using the older scheme... So, in other words, they ARE moving towards the scheme? Im sure I remember seeing a linked article here the other day about roadnames changing to a lettered scheme. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Missing Motorway names
On 10 April 2010 09:22, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: As you might have noticed, in brackets there was a phrase 'and the rest of the world', meaning 'not in the US'. Can you point to any definition that freeway implies toll-free? The wiki page I referrenced seems to disagree. I was talking specifically about NSW, you have the F3, the part of the pacific highway from Sydney to Newcastle, the F6 between Sydney and Wollongong, and the M5 goes from South West Motorway to the South West Freeway after the toll booths... I can't think of any other examples off the top of my head. So, in other words, they ARE moving towards the scheme? Im sure I remember seeing a linked article here the other day about roadnames changing to a lettered scheme. The different states are at various stages, and some aren't even changing. As far as I'm aware most of NSW hasn't changed for the most part. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes
Ele confessou a cópia de nomes de outros site de mapa. Respondi da seguinte forma: Andre, Não podemos fazer essa cópia de dados de outras fontes. Isso traz um risco legal para todo o projeto. Por favor não faça mais edições até resolvermos essa situação. obrigado Acho que é o caso de reverter essas edições. Talvez seja bom um email pra lista de assuntos legais tb pra agir da melhor forma possível. 2010/4/8 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Eu fiz isso também, avise-me se tiver resposta. 2010/4/8 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com Mandei mensagem pelo site ainda hoje pra ele... 2010/4/8 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Olá, Alguém tem contato com o usuário andrerm? Ele fez muitas edições de nomes de ruas recentemente e gostaria de saber em que ele está se baseando. Abs, Vitor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes
Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo usuário. Alguém se habilita? Uma atitude que devemos tomar é deixar mais claro no wiki e outros pontos de entrada que não se deve copiar informações sobre mapas protegidos por copyright. 2010/4/9 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com Ele confessou a cópia de nomes de outros site de mapa. Respondi da seguinte forma: Andre, Não podemos fazer essa cópia de dados de outras fontes. Isso traz um risco legal para todo o projeto. Por favor não faça mais edições até resolvermos essa situação. obrigado Acho que é o caso de reverter essas edições. Talvez seja bom um email pra lista de assuntos legais tb pra agir da melhor forma possível. 2010/4/8 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Eu fiz isso também, avise-me se tiver resposta. 2010/4/8 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com Mandei mensagem pelo site ainda hoje pra ele... 2010/4/8 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Olá, Alguém tem contato com o usuário andrerm? Ele fez muitas edições de nomes de ruas recentemente e gostaria de saber em que ele está se baseando. Abs, Vitor ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas
Hmmm... Blz... alterei o script e o deixei rodando durante a noite. Fui conferir agora e percebi outro problema: o cloudmade calcula rota utilizando vias classificadas como tracks. Não acredito que esse seja o comportamento esperado, pois há inúmeras vias tracks inseridas com origem IBGE que sequer sei se existem. Alguém discorda? Então, seria possível especificar no script para não considerar vias tracks nos cálculos das rotas? Grato. Flávio Henrique 2010/4/8 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Em 8 de abril de 2010 17:32, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com escreveu: Ótimo Rodrigo. Obrigado! Por curiosidade, onde você conseguiu esta informação? Pesquisei um monte aqui e não a encontrei. Usei o botão Share, no canto superior direito da tela. Ele monta um permalink para a rota que tu montou. Foi só coletar os dois permalinks, e comparar. Nada de mais :) -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas
Talvez o problema seja a existência destas vias tracks, que devemos editar para que sejam condizentes com a realidade. 2010/4/9 Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com Hmmm... Blz... alterei o script e o deixei rodando durante a noite. Fui conferir agora e percebi outro problema: o cloudmade calcula rota utilizando vias classificadas como tracks. Não acredito que esse seja o comportamento esperado, pois há inúmeras vias tracks inseridas com origem IBGE que sequer sei se existem. Alguém discorda? Então, seria possível especificar no script para não considerar vias tracks nos cálculos das rotas? Grato. Flávio Henrique 2010/4/8 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Em 8 de abril de 2010 17:32, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com escreveu: Ótimo Rodrigo. Obrigado! Por curiosidade, onde você conseguiu esta informação? Pesquisei um monte aqui e não a encontrei. Usei o botão Share, no canto superior direito da tela. Ele monta um permalink para a rota que tu montou. Foi só coletar os dois permalinks, e comparar. Nada de mais :) -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas
Em 9 de abril de 2010 12:36, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com escreveu: Então, seria possível especificar no script para não considerar vias tracks nos cálculos das rotas? Infelizmente, na API para Python, não tem como. E acredito que em outras APIs de roteamento, também não dê pra separar pelo tipo de via. Para este caso, acho que só se nós mesmos pegássemos um .osm, retirássemos as vias = tertiary e fizéssemos o roteamento em cima disto. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas
Sei que é muito dificil verificar estas vias no meio do nada, e nestes casos as imagens do yahoo não ajudam. Uma coisa que tenho curiosidade é saber se poderíamos conseguir algo do projeto SIVAM, que seguramente tem imagens de alta resolução no norte e centro-oeste. 2010/4/9 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Em 9 de abril de 2010 13:10, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: Talvez o problema seja a existência destas vias tracks, que devemos editar para que sejam condizentes com a realidade. Também acho. Até porque, se nós queremos o caminho mais curto, entende-se que é pra calcular o mais curto, independente de onde passamos... por isso concordo em ver se estas estradas realmente existem. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais
Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso? http://goo.gl/qF0d -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andredrm 2010/4/9 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br: Em 9 de abril de 2010 11:52, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo usuário. Alguém se habilita? Estou tentando achar este user, mas a api não encontra... Sabe me dizer o user id, ou a URL da página pessoal (ex.: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fbello) deste usuário? -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes
Ele segue editando... Vou mandar bloquear o usuário e pedir na lista osm pra reverter as edições. 2010/4/9 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andredrm 2010/4/9 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br: Em 9 de abril de 2010 11:52, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo usuário. Alguém se habilita? Estou tentando achar este user, mas a api não encontra... Sabe me dizer o user id, ou a URL da página pessoal (ex.: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fbello) deste usuário? -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais
Eu dei uma entrada, mas não consegui achar nada... Pareceu aquelas inaugurações de ponte que só tem o projeto On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br wrote: Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso? http://goo.gl/qF0d -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas
Em 9 de abril de 2010 13:44, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com escreveu: posso ser voto vencido, mas penso que tracks não deveriam ser utilizadas nas rotas... mesmo se queremos as mais curtas. gostaria de ver as rotas calculadas em rodovias oficiais (mesmo as não pavimentadas), que estão nos mapas do DNIT, por exemplo. Neste sentido eu concordo contigo. Prefiro ir para uma cidade sempre pelas rodovias ou estradas principais. But... gosto da sugestão do Rodrigo em retirar as vias = tertiary... eu já fiz algo parecido (trocando as tertiary por secundary) em Goiás (ao menos nas rodovias documentadas pelo DNIT)... utilizei um site que aceita consultas por parâmetros (não tenho o link agora aqui, mas posto depois). então. o que acham de retirar somente as vias tracks, deixando as tertiary? aqui é que temos o problema: separar as rodovias é a parte fácil (ou menos difícil). *Rotear* sobre estes dados é que eu não sei como fazer. Automatizar isto, então... -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes
Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 09:52 -0500, Vitor George escreveu: Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo usuário. Alguém se habilita? Uma atitude que devemos tomar é deixar mais claro no wiki e outros pontos de entrada que não se deve copiar informações sobre mapas protegidos por copyright. Pode ser revertido com aquele script de reversão ou será necessário retirar os dados do banco? Com o script podemos fazer por nós mesmos, mas os dados continuam no histórico do banco. Abraço, -- Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org signature.asc Description: Esta é uma parte de mensagem assinada digitalmente ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Edições de nomes de ruas recentes
Eu já mandei na talk mesmo... Outras vezes vi gente fazendo isso, e acho que é ok. É mais uma questão técnica do que legal, creio. 2010/4/9 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com É nesse ponto que seria bom postar na lista legal-t...@openstreetmap.org ou similar. Daqui do meu trabalho não consigo fazer a inscrição na lista nem preparar um email adequado. Alguem pode ajudar? []s 2010/4/9 Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org: Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 09:52 -0500, Vitor George escreveu: Agora há que pedir la lista osm para reverter as edições feitas pelo usuário. Alguém se habilita? Uma atitude que devemos tomar é deixar mais claro no wiki e outros pontos de entrada que não se deve copiar informações sobre mapas protegidos por copyright. Pode ser revertido com aquele script de reversão ou será necessário retirar os dados do banco? Com o script podemos fazer por nós mesmos, mas os dados continuam no histórico do banco. Abraço, -- Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais
Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 13:34 -0300, Rodrigo Avila escreveu: Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso? http://goo.gl/qF0d Recebi uma notícia sobre esse portal pelo identi.ca da Voz do Brasil, mas não tinha obtido o link :). Dei uma olhada mas não obtive sequer informações sobre licença de uso dos dados. Uma coisa que vi é que tem exibição de Google maps lá dentro. Abraço, -- Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org signature.asc Description: Esta é uma parte de mensagem assinada digitalmente ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais
Eu vou fazer contato para ver se eles disponibilizam imagens em alta resolução para áreas afastadas. 2010/4/9 Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 13:34 -0300, Rodrigo Avila escreveu: Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso? http://goo.gl/qF0d Recebi uma notícia sobre esse portal pelo identi.ca da Voz do Brasil, mas não tinha obtido o link :). Dei uma olhada mas não obtive sequer informações sobre licença de uso dos dados. Uma coisa que vi é que tem exibição de Google maps lá dentro. Abraço, -- Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Portal Brasileiro de Dados Geoespaciais
Mas alguém conferiu se há alguma área afastada com imagem boa? Nos rápidos testes que fiz aqui, as imagens parecem as mesmas que o Yahoo! Imagery disponibiliza e que o Potlach utiliza. Flávio Henrique 2010/4/9 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com Eu vou fazer contato para ver se eles disponibilizam imagens em alta resolução para áreas afastadas. 2010/4/9 Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org Em Sex, 2010-04-09 às 13:34 -0300, Rodrigo Avila escreveu: Algum de vocês já tinha visto isso? http://goo.gl/qF0d Recebi uma notícia sobre esse portal pelo identi.ca da Voz do Brasil, mas não tinha obtido o link :). Dei uma olhada mas não obtive sequer informações sobre licença de uso dos dados. Uma coisa que vi é que tem exibição de Google maps lá dentro. Abraço, -- Samuel Vale srcv...@minaslivre.org ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Rotas estranhas
ahh... só pra informar o site que utilizei para localizar vias tertiary em Goiás: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Query-to-map http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Query-to-mapjá conheciam? achei muito interessante pois podemos pesquisar por key/value, ou seja, por valores das tags dos objetos dá pra encontrar tudo por sua tag. por exemplo: vias classificadas como 'track' na região de Goiás http://goo.gl/v3sW Flávio Henrique 2010/4/9 Rodrigo Avila rodr...@avila.net.br Em 9 de abril de 2010 13:44, Flávio Henrique yoshi...@gmail.com escreveu: posso ser voto vencido, mas penso que tracks não deveriam ser utilizadas nas rotas... mesmo se queremos as mais curtas. gostaria de ver as rotas calculadas em rodovias oficiais (mesmo as não pavimentadas), que estão nos mapas do DNIT, por exemplo. Neste sentido eu concordo contigo. Prefiro ir para uma cidade sempre pelas rodovias ou estradas principais. But... gosto da sugestão do Rodrigo em retirar as vias = tertiary... eu já fiz algo parecido (trocando as tertiary por secundary) em Goiás (ao menos nas rodovias documentadas pelo DNIT)... utilizei um site que aceita consultas por parâmetros (não tenho o link agora aqui, mas posto depois). então. o que acham de retirar somente as vias tracks, deixando as tertiary? aqui é que temos o problema: separar as rodovias é a parte fácil (ou menos difícil). *Rotear* sobre estes dados é que eu não sei como fazer. Automatizar isto, então... -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Gemeindegrenzen finden
Für RLP (aber auch andere Bundesländer) gibt es in der Wikipedia Kartenwerk mit groben Grenzverläufen: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_St%C3%A4dte_und_Gemeinden_in_Rheinland-Pfalz Die Genauigkeit ist für Anwendungen wie die oben genannte Straßenliste völlig ausreichend und da keine besseren Datenspenden in Sicht sind, benutze ich die WP-Karten schon seit ein paar Wochen um Gemeindegrenzen in RLP einzutragen. Ist aber natürlich Arbeit. Daher freue ich mich über jeden Freiwilligen der sich dazu gesellt. ;) Vielleicht gibt es ja eine Möglichkeit zumindest das Grenznetz aus der SVG-Datei in OSM-taugliches Format zu transformieren. Das aufwendige Tagging wird wohl nicht ausbleiben. Alternativ kann man in Amtlichen Verordnungen nach dem Wort Grenzbeschreibung suchen. Mit etwas (bzw. sehr viel) Glück bekommt man eine Textuelle beschreibung der Grenze ala: Die Grenze zwischen Gemeinde A und B folgt dem Bahndamm bis zum Fluß C von dort bis zur Dorfstraße. Einfach mal bei der Gemeinde nach dem Grenzverlauf fragen kann auch zum erfolg führen. Wenn du gleich reinschreibst, das du den Grenzverlauf in OSM eintragen möchtest ist es (sofern die Gemeinde ihn dir rausrückt) auch keine Urheberechtsverletzung. Gruß Sven smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] JOSM und georeferenzieren von Fotos
Hallo, das Georeferenzieren von Fotos ist mit JOSM ja sehr einfach. Mir ist allerdings aufgefallen, dass ich bei meinen GPS-Tracks (MNEA-Dateien mittels PNA Medion 4410) eine Zeitzone von +2:00 einstellen muss, was ja nicht der in JOSM auswählbaren Zone für Deutschland (+ 1:00 Berlin) entspricht. Hier wird offensichtlich die Sommerzeit nicht berücksichtig. Oder gibt es eine andere Erklärung? MfG Dieter Jasper ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] nominatim - Hilfestellung bei URL-Aufbau
Moin ! ich möchte mittels nominatim Adressen ermitteln. Exemplarisch an der Ainmillerstr. 33, München. Kann mir einer sagen wie die URL aussehen müßte ?? http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen führt zu searchresults timestamp=Fri, 09 Apr 10 10:25:19 +0100 attribution=Data Copyright OpenStreetMap Contributors, Some Rights Reserved. CC-BY-SA 2.0. querystring=Ainmillerstr. 33,?M\xFCnchen polygon=false more_url=http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlexclude_place_ids=accept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen; /searchresults und http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33+M%FCnchen führt zu *Fatal error*: Cannot use object of type DB_Error as array in */home/nominatim/search.php* on line *149 Kann mir einer weiterhelfen ?? Gruß Jan :-) * ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] nominatim - Hilfestellung bei URL-Aufbau
Hallo Jan, Das sollte funktionieren: http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?q=Ainmillerstra%C3%9Fe+33, +M%C3%BCnchenformat=xml Musst aber darauf achten, dass Straße ausgeschrieben und nicht abgekürzt ist! Das unterstützt Nominatim zur Zeit leider noch nicht. Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] nominatim - Hilfestellung bei URL-Aufbau
Am 09.04.2010 11:25, Jan Tappenbeck: Moin ! ich möchte mittels nominatim Adressen ermitteln. Exemplarisch an der Ainmillerstr. 33, München. Kann mir einer sagen wie die URL aussehen müßte ?? http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen führt zu searchresults timestamp=Fri, 09 Apr 10 10:25:19 +0100 attribution=Data Copyright OpenStreetMap Contributors, Some Rights Reserved. CC-BY-SA 2.0. querystring=Ainmillerstr. 33,M\xFCnchen polygon=false more_url=http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlexclude_place_ids=accept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen; /searchresults und http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33+M%FCnchen führt zu *Fatal error*: Cannot use object of type DB_Error as array in */home/nominatim/search.php* on line *149 Kann mir einer weiterhelfen ?? Em ehesten hilft dir die Dokumentation weiter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim Achte vor allem darauf, dass du: 1.) Keine Abkürzung verwendest, also z.B. straße ausschreiben 2.) im Querystring Umlaute richtig kodierst Wenn du das Format mit dem Suchstring direkt nach dem search/ verwendest geht das etwas einfacher. An deinem Beispiel: http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search/Ainmillerstraße%2033,%20München?format=xml Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] nominatim - Hilfestellung bei URL-Aufbau
Am 09.04.2010 11:44, schrieb Claudius: Am 09.04.2010 11:25, Jan Tappenbeck: Moin ! ich möchte mittels nominatim Adressen ermitteln. Exemplarisch an der Ainmillerstr. 33, München. Kann mir einer sagen wie die URL aussehen müßte ?? http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen führt zu searchresults timestamp=Fri, 09 Apr 10 10:25:19 +0100 attribution=Data Copyright OpenStreetMap Contributors, Some Rights Reserved. CC-BY-SA 2.0. querystring=Ainmillerstr. 33,M\xFCnchen polygon=false more_url=http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlexclude_place_ids=accept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33%2C%EF%BB%BFM%5CxFCnchen; /searchresults und http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search?format=xmlaccept-language=deq=Ainmillerstr.+33+M%FCnchen führt zu *Fatal error*: Cannot use object of type DB_Error as array in */home/nominatim/search.php* on line *149 Kann mir einer weiterhelfen ?? Em ehesten hilft dir die Dokumentation weiter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim Achte vor allem darauf, dass du: 1.) Keine Abkürzung verwendest, also z.B. straße ausschreiben 2.) im Querystring Umlaute richtig kodierst was ist dann richtig ??? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung
Thomas Ineichen schrieb: Hallo Falk, Das ist so nicht richtig. Es gibt auch für den Straßenverkehr Regelungen jenseits der StVO. Da sich die StVO an den allgemeinen Straßenverkehr richtet muss sie auch nicht alle gesetzlichen Ausnahmeregelungen nachvollziehen. Diejenigen, die es angeht wissen schon, dass sie dort lang dürfen und sich nicht an das Schild zu halten brauchen. Für *jede* Strasse gibt's irgendwo irgendwen der irgendann mal irgendwie eine Sonderbewilligung hat. Hier geht es um einen 'highway', der auf der Rückseite zwischen zwei Häuserreihen dem Bach entlang führt. http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=50.995148,6.189144z=17 Nur weil ein Arbeiter der Kommune jede Woche da durchfährt um die Abfalleimer zu leeren, wird draus meiner Meinung nach noch lange kein Track. Natürlich ist das ein Track. Roads for agricultural use, gravel roads in the forest etc. heißt eben *nicht* dass es landwirtschaftlich genutzte Wege sein müssen, sonder Wege *wie* Feldwege, Forstwirtschaftswege etc. Beschilderung/Access tags sind dazu orthogonal. Zusätzlich bin ich der Meinung, dass die deutsche Version der Tagbeschreibung mal wieder viel zu eng gestrickt ist, aber trotzdem findet sich folgender Passus: Die Auszeichnung eines Weges als highway=track impliziert nicht die Zeichen 1026-36,1026-37 und 1026-38 (z.B. Land- und Forstwirtschaftlicher Verkehr frei). Disclaimer: das Wiki war von Anfang an als Dokumentation der OSM-Tags wie sie benutzt werden und als Leitfaden gedacht, und nicht als starre Vorgabe wie was getaggt zu sein hat. -- Dirk-Lüder Deelkar Kreie Bremen - 53.0901°N 8.7868°E signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung
Hallo Dirk-Lüder, Thomas Ineichen schrieb: Hier geht es um einen 'highway', der auf der Rückseite zwischen zwei Häuserreihen dem Bach entlang führt. http://maps.google.de/maps?ll=50.995148,6.189144z=17 Nur weil ein Arbeiter der Kommune jede Woche da durchfährt um die Abfalleimer zu leeren, wird draus meiner Meinung nach noch lange kein Track. Natürlich ist das ein Track. Roads for agricultural use, gravel roads in the forest etc. heißt eben *nicht* dass es landwirtschaftlich genutzte Wege sein müssen, sonder Wege *wie* Feldwege, Forstwirtschaftswege etc. Sowohl auf der englischen wie auch auf der deutschen Wiki-Seite ist das 'agricultural use' bzw. 'Land-/Forstwirtschaft aber ein wichtiger Aspekt bei der Beurteilung. In der ganzen Diskussion geht es mir eigentlich nur um den Punkt, dass Wege über 2.5 Meter breite *nicht* *automatisch* Tracks sind, sondern dass es auch auf deren Nutzung/Beschilderung ankommt. Ich kenne die Situation vor Ort nur von obigem Satelliten-Photo. Aber gerade dass dieser Weg an den Rückseiten der Häusern entlang führt und weder links noch rechts davon landwirtschaftliche Felder sind spricht für mich gegen highway=track. Beschilderung/Access tags sind dazu orthogonal. Der highway-Key ist eine Zusammenfassung des Gesammteindrucks, daher kommt es auf die Prioritäten an, die man setzt. Für Dich ist wichtig: da könnte man mit einem zweispurigen Fahrzeug langfahren, auch wenn es verboten ist, also setze ich highway=track. Einge genauere Angabe, wer da lang darf, setze ich im access-Key. Für mich ist wichtig: da muss ich normalerweise nicht mit zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen, also setze ich ein highway=path. Eine genauere Angabe, wie breit der Weg ist, setze ich im width-Key. Viele Feldwege in meiner Umgebung haben z.B. ein Fahrverbotsschild (ohne Ausnahme für landw. Fahrzeuge). Diese Wege habe ich aber selbst- verständlich trotzdem als highway=track eingezeichnet. Zusätzlich bin ich der Meinung, dass die deutsche Version der Tagbeschreibung mal wieder viel zu eng gestrickt ist, aber trotzdem findet sich folgender Passus: Die Auszeichnung eines Weges als highway=track impliziert nicht die Zeichen 1026-36,1026-37 und 1026-38 (z.B. Land- und Forstwirtschaftlicher Verkehr frei). Ich glaube, bei dieser Klarstellung ging es mehr um den Punkt, dass highway=track nicht zwingend bedeutet, dass man dort mit dem Auto nicht fahren dürfe. Disclaimer: das Wiki war von Anfang an als Dokumentation der OSM-Tags wie sie benutzt werden und als Leitfaden gedacht, und nicht als starre Vorgabe wie was getaggt zu sein hat. Oder als Ort, wo man Tags definiert, darüber abstimmt und sie dann wie im Wiki beschrieben nutzt. ;-) Gruss, Thomas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung
Am 9. April 2010 14:44 schrieb Thomas Ineichen osm.mailingl...@t-i.ch: In der ganzen Diskussion geht es mir eigentlich nur um den Punkt, dass Wege über 2.5 Meter breite *nicht* *automatisch* Tracks sind, sondern dass es auch auf deren Nutzung/Beschilderung ankommt. +1, es könnte z.B. auch ein Service sein. Ich kenne die Situation vor Ort nur von obigem Satelliten-Photo. Aber gerade dass dieser Weg an den Rückseiten der Häusern entlang führt und weder links noch rechts davon landwirtschaftliche Felder sind spricht für mich gegen highway=track. -1, insbesondere, wenn die Konsequenz dann path sein soll. Für mich ist wichtig: da muss ich normalerweise nicht mit zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen, also setze ich ein highway=path. Eine genauere Angabe, wie breit der Weg ist, setze ich im width-Key. Wenn Du den Weg nur vom Satellitenfoto kennst, wie willst Du dann beurteilen, ob Du da mit zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen musst oder nicht? Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und georeferenzieren von Fotos
Am 9. April 2010 10:32 schrieb dieter jasper dieter_jas...@web.de: Deutschland (+ 1:00 Berlin) entspricht. Hier wird offensichtlich die Sommerzeit nicht berücksichtig. Oder gibt es eine andere Erklärung? +1, es ist die Sommerzeit. Während der Sommerzeit sind es +2 Abweichung. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung
Hallo MWinkelzeichnerrtin, Für mich ist wichtig: da muss ich normalerweise nicht mit zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen, also setze ich ein highway=path. Eine genauere Angabe, wie breit der Weg ist, setze ich im width-Key. Wenn Du den Weg nur vom Satellitenfoto kennst, wie willst Du dann beurteilen, ob Du da mit zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen musst oder nicht? Mein obiger Absatz war allgemein formuliert und nicht auf den konkreten Weg bezogen. Dass zwei Personen den selben Weg unterschiedlich bewerten können, es daher kein richtig oder falsch gibt und ich meine unvollkommene Beurteilung nicht als den einzig wahren Weg durchsetzen möchte, sollte eigentlich aus meiner Mail bereits hervorgegangen sein.. Gruss, Thomas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] track/footway/dogwalk: Konstruktion vs. Widmund vs. Nutzung
Am 9. April 2010 16:03 schrieb Thomas Ineichen osm.mailingl...@t-i.ch: Mein obiger Absatz war allgemein formuliert und nicht auf den konkreten Weg bezogen. ja, ich sehe das auch allgemein: wenn ein Weg breit genug ist, dass zweispurige Fahrzeuge ihn befahren können, und es keine physischen Hindernisse wie feste Poller oder Findlinge gibt, dann muss man prinzipiell immer mit zweispurigen Fahrzeugen rechnen. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Adressen und zughörige Ortsnamen
Am 08.04.2010 12:21, schrieb Claudius: Ich habe aber auch schon Gebilde wie Stadt OT Ortsteilgesehen. Eine andere Variante ist es den Ortsteil in addr:suburb zu schreiben. Und genau daher würde ich diese Schreibweise dann auch in addr:full notieren. Also an einem Beispiel: addr:city=Sandersdorf-Brehna addr:full=Sandersdorf-Brehna OT Sandersdorf ... Die Konsturktion mit addr:suburb finde ich daher überflüssig. -1 erstens: ist das leichter maschinenlesbar zweitens: wenn ich das KA Schema richtig im Kopf habe gehört in addr:full die komplette Anschrift also mit Straße, PLZ etc. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fertige KArten Islas Canarias / Marketing?
Am 08.04.2010 16:21, schrieb Daniela Duerbeck: Carsten Schwede wrote: --generate-sea=multipolygon,extend-sea-sectors,close-gaps=1000 Tut sehr gut bei mir, aber nur mit Kacheln, die mir splitter.jar geschnitten sind. Ich hab nur --generate-sea=polygons und es geht auch ohne splitter, aber wichtig ist wohl das typfile. Da muß ein Polygon Land drin sein. (Hab ich von dem Spanier). Ja, das sind die beiden Möglichkeiten. --generate-sea=multipolygon erstellt Multipolygone der Wasserflächen mit natural=sea --generate-sea=polygons erstellt einen blauen Hintergrund, wo das Landpolygon drübergelegt wird, und dafür benötigt man eben das besagte Landpolygon im Typfile. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Adressen und zughörige Ortsnamen
Am 9. April 2010 17:39 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de: Am 08.04.2010 12:21, schrieb Claudius: addr:city=Sandersdorf-Brehna addr:full=Sandersdorf-Brehna OT Sandersdorf ... Die Konsturktion mit addr:suburb finde ich daher überflüssig. -1 erstens: ist das leichter maschinenlesbar zweitens: wenn ich das KA Schema richtig im Kopf habe gehört in addr:full die komplette Anschrift also mit Straße, PLZ etc. +1, sehe ich gleich. Auch ist ein Tagging-Verfahren, wo man wie oben vorgeschlagen den Inhalt z.T. doppelt eingibt, m.E. nicht sinnvoll. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Länge der Küstenlinie
Markus schrieb: Liebe Profis, ich möchte gern wissen, wie lang die Küstenlinie ist (weltweit). Genauer: ich möchte wissen, wieviele Tiles man rendern muss, wenn man entlang der Küstenlinie einen Meeresstreifen von x-Metern darstellen will (Kontinente und Inseln). Für Googletiles z12 kann man das in der oceantiles.dat bzw dem zugehörigen png nachschauen (weisse pixel zählen). -- Dirk-Lüder Deelkar Kreie Bremen - 53.0901°N 8.7868°E signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada
Giusto per fare un confronto, in provincia di Udine avevo iniziato a mettere qualche relazione per le provinciali, lasciando il ref sulle singole way e aggiungendo alcune info in più sulla relazione (nome in friulano, lunghezza, ecc...) Ciao http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/255619 2010/4/8 Damjan Gerli dam...@damjan.net -Izvirno sporocilo- Od: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namesto Luca Delucchi Poslano: 7. april 2010 21:03 Za: openstreetmap list - italiano Zadeva: Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada Il 06 aprile 2010 23.23, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2010/4/6 Damjan Gerli dam...@damjan.net: Siccome si parlava di relazioni per le strade ho fatto qualche prova ed ho definito una nuova relazione [0] per la SP1 nella provincia di Trieste. Ho tolto tutti i ref e l'apposito name dalle way e li ho messi nella relazione (type=route). Per quello che ho capito io dovrebbe essere giusto così, solamente vedo che ne mapnik ne osmarender non mi mostra nessun nome ne ref. E giusto? Secondo me hai esagerato. Il ref lo puoi lasciare in tutte le way che fanno parte della relazione. Anche name=Strada Provinciale 1 del Carso puoi lasciarlo in tutte le way che non hanno altro nome. +1 Ciao, Federico ciao Luca Ok, allora rimettero i tag mancanti. ciao Damjan ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada
From: Andrea Decorte Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 9:54 AM To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada Giusto per fare un confronto, in provincia di Udine avevo iniziato a mettere qualche relazione per le provinciali, lasciando il ref sulle singole way e aggiungendo alcune info in più sulla relazione (nome in friulano, lunghezza, ecc...) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/255619 Io eviterei informazioni come larghezza o lunghezza perché possono variare lungo il percorso. Un'altra buona abitudine ritengo che sia quella di ordinare i vari spezzoni, così è semplice individuare errori. Nella relazione presa ad esempio, ordinando, balza all'occhio che la way [1] è stata inserita due volte. Luigi [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/42212633 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna
Ciao a tutti, conoscendo piuttosto bene la zona della Valle di Primiero in Trentino [1], ho iniziato a mappare qualche sentiero e località. Mi sono scontrato con alcuni problemi: - un sentiero prima stretto (nella fattispecie la Via Nova, riferimento sentiero 357 [2], antica mulattiera mineraria ora usata per passeggiate, giri in bici o a cavallo), che si allarga diventando mulattiera / strada forestale sterrata / strada forestale asfaltata / etc... Solitamente sulle mappe stradali tradizionali queste way non vengono disegnate (se non sulle carte escursionistiche), ma tuttavia vengono usate dai frontisti per raggiungere le baite anche con l'auto (a volte vi sono divieti di transito, a volte no, a volte divieto di transito - strada senza collaudo). Quali sono i tag più appropriati? posso usare highway=path, bicycle=yes, foot=yes, e in caso vi sia una parte asfaltata surface=asphalt oppure meglio altri tag highway=track/unclassified etc..? access= posso mostrarvi delle foto che esemplificano la situazione non appena le trovo. - località montane formate da un paio di case rurali/montane (dette masi) o poco più, solitamente non abitate / occupate solo d'estate. è giusto usare place=farm? o meglio place=locality o addirittura place=hamlet? per quanto riguarda il nome di questi place, a volte esiste una diversa toponomastica italiano / dialetto locale. Userei name=Colladina per il toponimo italiano mentre che tag dovrei usare per il toponimo dialettale Coladina? name:dialect=? name:local=? Grazie per le vostre delucidazioni Tiziano [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.1583lon=11.8024zoom=13layers=00B0FTF [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.16513lon=11.81193zoom=16layers=00B0FTF ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna
Il 09 aprile 2010 11.01, Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, conoscendo piuttosto bene la zona della Valle di Primiero in Trentino [1], ho iniziato a mappare qualche sentiero e località. Mi sono scontrato con alcuni problemi: Quali sono i tag più appropriati? posso usare highway=path, bicycle=yes, foot=yes, e in caso vi sia una parte asfaltata surface=asphalt oppure meglio altri tag highway=track/unclassified etc..? access= per il sentiero puoi usare footway/path per la parte più larga track, utilizzando i vari tag aggiuntivi (surface, bicycle, foot ecc ecc) Userei name=Colladina per il toponimo italiano mentre che tag dovrei usare per il toponimo dialettale Coladina? name:dialect=? name:local=? io userei locality e poi name per il nome in italiano e loc_name per quello locale Tiziano ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna
On 4/9/10, Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com wrote: - un sentiero prima stretto (nella fattispecie la Via Nova, riferimento sentiero 357 [2], antica mulattiera mineraria ora usata per passeggiate, giri in bici o a cavallo), che si allarga diventando mulattiera / strada forestale sterrata / strada forestale asfaltata / etc... [...] di solito per le strade usate a piedi/bici/cavallo sulle quali e` fisicamente possibile passare con un auto (o con un mezzo agricolo) si usa highway=track poi a parte con i vari access= si specifica la situazione legale (auto si`, auto no, solo proprietari dei terreni confinati, ecc.) - località montane formate da un paio di case rurali/montane (dette masi) o poco più, ho visto che sulla lista internazionale si stava giusto parlando in questi giorni di case isolate, ma non ho letto i dettagli: Martin dovrebbe avere informazioni aggiornate :) -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)
Salve a tutti, questa sera* racconterò ai presenti il progetto OSM. Ho delle buone slides di Luca Delucchi preparate per il LinuxDay 2008 da mostrare. Mi chiedevo se esistesse altro materiale divulgativo già pronto per queste occasioni. Ciao. *http://www.folug.org/2010/04/02/al-via-mapping-party-open-street-map/ -- Michele Mordenti http://michelemordenti.netsons.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)
Il 09 aprile 2010 12.17, Michele Mordenti michele.morde...@gmail.com ha scritto: Mi chiedevo se esistesse altro materiale divulgativo già pronto per queste occasioni. io ti consiglierei questo [0] Ciao. ciao Luca [0] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/italy_miniguida/book.pdf ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] edit incasinati al nord?
salve a tutti, nonostante tutto riesco a connettermi anche da qui. ora vedendo che il reverse ha funzionato in parte, avevo deciso di editare a mano i rimasugli. attività intrapresa anche, purtroppo,per la disponibilità di tempo notturno e, nel mentre, guarda un po' cosa scopro tra i tag: source: Regione Lombardia - La banca dati territoriali CTR1 è prodotta da Regione Lombardia - Infrastruttura per l'Informazione Territoriale. vbmanu, moliva, guido piazzi, stepedro83,niccolo,alepiova,kaitu,augustus kling,rubini e altri utenti han usato mappe regionali per completare le osm, per strade,edificato, cascine,boschi. altre modifiche derivate dai dati del sit lombardia son ritrovabili (ove non presente il source) grazie agli altri tag,indicanti il tipo di superficie o l'identificazione regionale. per me questo è un precedente, va bene che non si autorizza l'uso dei dati regionali o derivanti, ma dovrebbe far riflettere sull'opportunità di avere già una base cartografica (che de facto viene già usata). il punto è: cosa volete fare dei dati coi tag esplicitamente della regione,o che cmq posson essere ricondotti a documenti pubblici, alla luce del fatto che tali dati e tracciati son ormai consolidati? cancellare tutto e perdere dati?cancellare i tag sconvenienti? ho visto anche le % di completamento della copertura delle varie regioni, a chi diceva che le osm non occorre che sian complete in tempi brevi, che son comunque usabili, alla luce delle statistiche mi chiedo se usi tali mappe per girare a piedi/bici in città (grandi città oltretutto,hinterland milanese, capoluoghi di provincia ecc) o se pianifica tragitti più lunghi, diciamo da Dello (BS) a Bova (RC) - un banale viaggio al mare - o anche solo da una città (oltre 50.000ab) alla piazza di un paese (circa 10.000ab) in un raggio di 30km. fatto salva la cartografia escursionistica/sentieristica/ciclistica le osm non sono (per il momento) utili ai fini sopracitati. e non parlo della situazione disastrata del sud, ma anche nelle regioni centro e settentrionali. _ Naviga al sicuro. Scarica gratis Internet Explorer 8 per MSN http://www.microsoft.com/italy/windows/internet-explorer/msn.aspx___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] edit incasinati al nord?
Il 09/04/2010 13:49, osmema . ha scritto: il punto è: cosa volete fare dei dati coi tag esplicitamente della regione,o che cmq posson essere ricondotti a documenti pubblici, alla luce del fatto che tali dati e tracciati son ormai consolidati? cancellare tutto e perdere dati?cancellare i tag sconvenienti? Avevi già postato questa domanda, e ti era stato risposto chiaramente che per quei dati abbiamo autorizzazione esplicita all'uso da parte di Regione Lombardia. -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\` /\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] edit incasinati al nord?
2010/4/9 osmema . fa...@live.it: source: Regione Lombardia - La banca dati territoriali CTR1 è prodotta da Regione Lombardia - Infrastruttura per l'Informazione Territoriale. vbmanu, moliva, guido piazzi, stepedro83,niccolo,alepiova,kaitu,augustus kling,rubini e altri utenti han usato mappe regionali per completare le osm, per strade,edificato, cascine,boschi. altre modifiche derivate dai dati del sit lombardia son ritrovabili (ove non presente il source) grazie agli altri tag,indicanti il tipo di superficie o l'identificazione regionale. Per questi dati regionali IO (Simone Cortesi) avevo ottenuto un parere favorevole da parte della Direzione della Regione Lombardia. Quindi si possono usare. In regione ci ero andato io, di persona. Mi pare che il tutto sia abbastanza ben documentato qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lombardia_ToDo#Dati_utilizzabili Se non lo fosse, chiedimi pure. Tutto quanto non espressamente incluso, è, ovviamente, escluso. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] FDLD e Mapping Party
Il 08 aprile 2010 13.55, ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: Genova presente! Noto che, nonostante la comunità sia crescita, non si tengono più mapping party. più che altro è che poco prendono iniziative e sono più o meno sempre gli stessi ad organizzare qualcosa Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna
Messaggio originale Da: tiziano.dang...@gmail.com Data: 09/04/2010 12.01 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: [Talk-it] Mapping Località di montagna . - località montane formate da un paio di case rurali/montane (dette masi) o poco più, solitamente non abitate / occupate solo d'estate. è giusto usare place=farm? o meglio place=locality o addirittura place=hamlet? per quanto riguarda il nome di questi place, a volte esiste una diversa toponomastica italiano / dialetto locale. Userei name=Colladina per il toponimo italiano mentre che tag dovrei usare per il toponimo dialettale Coladina? name:dialect=? name:local=? Grazie per le vostre delucidazioni Tiziano Se il nome è in un dialetto riconosciuto puoi usare name:xxx dove xxx è il codice delle lingue secondo lo standard ISO 639 (puoi guardare qui http://meta. wikimedia.org/wiki/Lista_di_Wikipedie ). Io per i nomi in dialetto ligure uso il tag name:lij ciao Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada
2010/4/9 Luigi Chiesa lchi...@tiscalinet.it: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/255619 Io eviterei informazioni come larghezza o lunghezza perché possono variare lungo il percorso. +1 per la lunghezza (che cos'è la lunghezza? Dipende della precisione delle curve...), -1 per la larghezza. Si potrebbe anche mettere ai singoli way pero --- e nel caso che varia si spezzano i way per addatarsi. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [Milano] Foro Buonaparte o Foro Bonaparte?
Il 06/04/2010 22:05, Carlo Stemberger ha scritto: La mia proposta: name = Foro Bonaparte alt_name = Foro Buonaparte Chi non è d'accordo? Visto che siamo tutti d'accordo, ho proceduto. Ciao! Carlo -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\` /\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)
Ecco altro materiale: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:OSM_cd_toolkit_contents http://www.openstreetmapitalia.it/ Il giorno 09 aprile 2010 13.32, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 09 aprile 2010 12.17, Michele Mordenti michele.morde...@gmail.com ha scritto: Mi chiedevo se esistesse altro materiale divulgativo già pronto per queste occasioni. io ti consiglierei questo [0] Ciao. ciao Luca [0] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/italy_miniguida/book.pdf ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] OSM usato da Polizia stradale in tv
2010/4/7 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: Quando mi hanno detto di non utilizzare più osm ho chiesto e ottenuto di inserire il logo in ogni immagine come potete constatare da alcuni giorni a questa parte, di più non posso, credo che sia comunque una buona vetrina per osm e per il software libero in generale. scusa mi sa che sono stato io il colpevole :-) ho prima contatto la polizia, poi la rai marche..ho parlato con mezza sede e poi ho finalmente raggiunto penso il tuo capo (il direttore tecnico o qualcosa del genere, ma non ricordo il nome) Ecco luca, sempre a fare danno :) Lorenzo, grazie per il tempo che hai dedicato alla divulgazione di OSM anche su un canale come la TV. Spero di vederti a genova per osmit. -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)
Il 09 aprile 2010 13.17, Michele Mordenti michele.morde...@gmail.com ha scritto: Salve a tutti, questa sera* racconterò ai presenti il progetto OSM. Ho delle buone slides di Luca Delucchi preparate per il LinuxDay 2008 da mostrare. Mi chiedevo se esistesse altro materiale divulgativo già pronto per queste occasioni. Ciao. *http://www.folug.org/2010/04/02/al-via-mapping-party-open-street-map/ Ciao Michele, perdona il campanilismo, ma puoi anche guardare tra le varie slide che ho presentato in alcuni talk/conferenze. Alcune sono molto simili tra loro, devi solo scegliere la più appropriata per le tue esigenze ;) http://fradeve.netsons.org/conferenze/ Ciao e in bocca al lupo ;) -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it team member* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] materiale divulgativo per OSM (aka: pappa pronta)
Sul wiki non c'è ancora una pagina che raccolga i link per scaricare tutto il materiale divulgativo disponibile? -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\` /\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Progetto rete autobus urbani di Padova
Ciao a tutti, volevo condividere con voi una buona pratica :) MAPPATURA OSM BUS/TRAM PADOVA VI segnalo che la mappatura della rete autobus urbani e suburbani / tram di Padova è stata ormai completata presumo al 100% salvo errori per quanto riguarda le fermate. Sono presenti come routes tutte le linee diurne feriali e festive nonché le linee suburbane verso Abano/Montegrotto Terme. Mancano alcuni servizi mattutini particolari (che hanno anche una sola corsa oppure hanno percorsi davvero strambi [dovrei testarli salendo a bordo]) ed alcuni servizi limitati a parte del percorso in determinati orari (bus 5 limitato Strada Piovese o Ferrovia) Le relazioni per le route sono al momento una per linea (o per diramazione) ma non ancora una per andata e una per ritorno come suggerito dall'Oxmoa scheme e altri. Se qualcuno volesse aiutarmi in questo lavoro, fatemi sapere. SCHEMI DI LINEA Grazie ad una proficua collaborazione con Roland Olbricht, è disponibile all'indirizzo [1] un generatore di schemi di percorso vettoriali a partire dai dati OSM super personalizzabile (coincidenze con altre linee, diramazioni, con supporto del tag opening_hours per mostrare quando è attiva la linea e per supportare diversi percorsi ad orari diversi, supporto alle abbreviazioni, etc..) ROUTING ONLINE E SU SMARTPHONE Su iMetro [2] e nel relativo programma stand alone per telefoni smartphone è disponibile un database pressoché corretto della rete aggiornato dai dati OSM (in precedenza era molto lacunoso e senza coordinate per le fermate) con possibilità di routing spartano da indirizzo a indirizzo Sul programma Windows Mobile CIty Adivsor [3] sarà presto disponibile un database (in XML) di Padova da me curato, con supporto agli orari. lo sviluppatore ha inserito su mio suggerimento una funzione di import da CSV OSM per un veloce inserimento delle fermate di una linea. In futuro sono previste nuove funzionalità come il routing con mappa (magari OSM!) e GPS per trovare la fermata più vicina/con gli autobus che passano prima. Forse potremmo coinvolgere lo sviluppatore con le sue competenze in merito per creare un sito di routing stile Google Transit basato su OSM. MAPPE INTERATTIVE I dati poi sono accessibili tramite Openbusmap aka OPNVKarte [4] oppure tramite OSMTransport [5] (cui ho chiesto il codice sorgente ma senza successo) CONTATTI CON APS Mobilità Un mese fa ho scritto all'azienda (APS Mobilità) proponendo di integrare il lavoro fatto nel loro sito (molto carente per informazioni sui percorsi/mappe dettagliate) ed inviando la mail per conoscenza ad assessori comunali e provinciali, nonché a Legambiente, allo sviluppatore del sito APS, etc.. senza ottenere risposta da nessuno. Ho provato poi con il gruppo facebook dell'APS gestito da autisti ed uno di loro finalmente mi ha risposto che proverà a portare avanti la mia proposta in APS, inizialmente presso la rappresentanza sindacale. Se APS non terrà in considerazione il progetto, allora ho in mente di lanciare io stesso un portale dedicato da pubblicizzare presso la clientela e gli autisti (un sito talmente utile e nettamente superiore a quello APS attuale che basterebbe il solo passaparola per decretarne il successo :D) Al momento è già attivo un blog [6] che documenta il progresso della mappatura nonché notizie e link utili (ad esempio link diretti agli schemi linea e mappe interattive). Ciao Tiziano [1] http://78.46.81.38/public_transport.html [2] http://imetro.nanika.net/metro?o=hg=itv=PADOVA [3] http://www.cityadvisor.net [4] http://openbusmap.org/ o http://www.öpnvkarte.de/?zoom=14lat=45.41316lon=11.88158layers=B [5] http://3liz.fr/public/osmtransport/index.php?country=Italylocation=Padova [6] http://padovatrasporti.blogspot.com/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] OSM usato da Polizia stradale in tv
Il 09 aprile 2010 17.57, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: Ecco luca, sempre a fare danno :) beh per ora però abbiamo ottenuto un successo ;-) :-) Lorenzo, grazie per il tempo che hai dedicato alla divulgazione di OSM anche su un canale come la TV. +1 -S ciao Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada
2010/4/9 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: +1 per la lunghezza (che cos'è la lunghezza? Dipende della precisione delle curve...) Speriamo che non sia una strada frattale :-) A proposito: ci sono casi in cui ha senso inserire nella mappa delle informazioni che - a prima vista - sarebbero deducibili. Ho appena scoperto il tag http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:duration che va benissimo per i traghetti. E' vero che sullo stesso percorso del traghetto ci possono essere varie corse, ma è comunque una buona informazione. Dopotutto anche su alcune mappe cartacee c'è scritto Genova - X tot ore Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] RRaccogliere dati con Nokia Ovi Maps
Salve a tutti Vorrei sapere se posso creare i percorsi con i nuovi Nokia abilitati con OVI MAPS Ho già un Garmin GPS60, ma dovendo valutare lacquisto di un cellulare se riesco ad avere 2 prodotti in uno sarebbe una gran cosa ! Grazie Andrea ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada
From: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:05 PM To: openstreetmap list - italiano talk-it@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Relazione per strada 2010/4/9 Luigi Chiesa lchi...@tiscalinet.it: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/255619 Io eviterei informazioni come larghezza o lunghezza perché possono variare lungo il percorso. +1 per la lunghezza (che cos'è la lunghezza? Dipende della precisione delle curve...), La reazione contiene il parametro length e leggendo il wiki dovrebbe riguardare la lunghezza dei ponti o delle gallerie, ma lo avevo erroneamente scambiato per il parametro maxlength che ha più senso per più way consecutive. -1 per la larghezza. Si potrebbe anche mettere ai singoli way pero --- e nel caso che varia si spezzano i way per addatarsi. Se ho interpretato bene vorresti utilizzare l'ereditarietà dalla relazione alla way salvo condizione più restrittiva sulla way stessa? In una logica di programmazione è corretta, ma risulta poco evidente e costringe a controllare la relazione ogni volta. Luigi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] taggare i percorsi di sci-alpinismo
Salve a tutti come faccio a taggare dei percorsi di sci-alpinismo ? ciao e grazie in anticipo -- Francesco keyid 90675501 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] taggare i percorsi di sci-alpinismo
2010/4/10 Fran france...@firenze.linux.it: Salve a tutti come faccio a taggare dei percorsi di sci-alpinismo ? Guarda qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps Penso che il tag di tuo interesse sia piste:type=skitour ma ce ne sono molti altri disponibili. Attenzione: questo tag, e gli altri che userai, vanno applicati ad una way che *non* necessariamente deve essere taggata highway=... Tale way deve essere taggata con l'opportuno tag highway=... (suppongo path o track) solo se è un percorso (sentiero, carrareccia o altro) anche quando la neve non c'è. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-co] Giro que no es posible.
Hola Parece que cloudmade no reconoce las restricciones de giro. Prueba con http://yournavigation.org/ Por ejemplo: http://yournavigation.org/?flat=4.7019977649437flon=-74.031052586255tlat=4.7120060868483tlon=-74.033842083631v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Rodrigo 2010/4/8 Leonardo Gutierrez l...@autobusesaga.com Encontre este giro en el mapa de bogota, me parece que hay nodos que no estan bien . http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=4.66218lng=-74.061654zoom=18directions=4.709977592321401,-74.05593037605286,4.665398694118884,-74.05826926231384travel=carstyleId=1opened_tab=1 -- ___ Leonardo Gutierrez Director Financiero Autobuses AGA de Colombia Duitama www.autobusesaga.com l...@autobusesaga.com Móvil: 3125860894 Este mensaje de correo electrónico y sus documentos adjuntos están dirigidos EXCLUSIVAMENTE a los destinatarios especificados. La información contenida puede ser CONFIDENCIAL y/o estar LEGALMENTE PROTEGIDA y no necesariamente refleja la opinión de AUTOBUSES AGA DE COLOMBIA LTDA. Si usted recibe este mensaje por ERROR, por favor comuníquese inmediatamente al remitente y ELIMINELO ya que usted NO ESTA AUTORIZADO al uso, revelación, distribución, impresión o copia de toda o alguna parte de la información contenida. ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-es] Ortofotos Asturias
Gracias por las aportaciones. El vie, 09-04-2010 a las 00:18 +0200, Mikel Lizarralde escribió: Hola Marcial, Creo recordar que comentaste en un mensaje anterior que no querían ceder sus datos para que se utilizaran con fines comerciales... es así? Entonces no sirve para OSM. En efecto, este parece ser el mayor problema; pero no es que no quieran, sino que lo presentan como el escollo actual a salvar (al menos es la impresión que me quedó). La cuestión es convencerles de que puede ser conveniente cambiar esa situación. Esto es una decisión que no pueden tomar las personas con las que hablé y, por eso es importante aportar ejemplos de otras administraciones que sí lo hayan hecho, para intentar convencer al político al cargo del tema. Si no es así: Si quieren hacer una liberación e importación como en Barcelona Metropolitano, que están haciendo Jaume y compañía, hará falta que inviertan dinero. Qué hacer si no quieren gastar nada? Cambiar de licencia. Pasar del copyright a CC-BY-SA, por ejemplo (o lo que venga para OSM). Es lo que han hecho en Gipuzkoa y en el Gobierno Vasco. Cambian la licencia y los usuarios cogemos lo que nos de la gana. También yo creo que esto es lo más sencillo y directo (aunque seguro que sencillo en la daministración no hay nada). Sin embargoa, cuando les hablé de las ortofotos, me dijeron que no son suyas, que firman un convenio con el IGN (creo) para usarlas y que ellos no pueden cambiar esa licencia porque las fotos no son suyas (al menos del todo). Por eso me interesa saber cómo ha sido lo de Castilla y León, porque me comentaron que si allí lo habían hecho, aquí se podría hacer siguiendo el mismo procedimiento. Qué ganan con esto? - Son cool. Pueden sacar una nota de prensa donde dicen que han liberado sus datos públicos siguiendo la oleada internacional de dar acceso libre a los ciudadanos, como ya lo han hecho Estados Unidos, Londres, varias ciudades canadienses, etc. - Mejora el estado del mapa en OSM. Hay que recordar que OSM será cada vez más utilizado como recurso de mapas, para GPS, papel, web, etc. Por ello, al Principado le interesa que sus mapas estén bien. - Los ciudadanos ya hemos pagado por esos datos, queremos hacer con ellos lo que nos da la gana! - Cuanto les cuesta mantener actualizada su cartografía? Gracias a OSM y la participación ciudadana, este gasto puede reducirse. Serán los usuarios de OSM los que puedan decirles qué cambios ha habido en los mapas. - etc. no se me ocurren más cosas :) Estas ideas me valen de mucho... ¿a alguien se le ocurre algo más? Animo! Mikel 2010/4/8 Raúl Martínez Fernández martinezf.r...@gmail.com Hola, Esto quizás podría ayudar, está recién salido: http://www.euskadinnova.net/innovacion-social/noticias/gobierno-vasco-empiez a-liberar-datos-publicos/6495.aspx Muchas gracias, esto puede ser de una inestimable ayuda. Un saludo, Raul -Mensaje original- De: talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-es-boun...@openstreetmap.org] En nombre de Marcial Gómez Martín Enviado el: jueves, 08 de abril de 2010 14:02 Para: talk-es@openstreetmap.org Asunto: [Talk-es] Ortofotos Asturias Siento ponerme pesado, pero nadie respondió a mi último mensaje. Tengo que volver a hablar con Oscar (del servicio de cartografía del Principado) y necesito aportar algunos datos. He indagado por ahí, nutriéndome de la lista y de presentaciones y documentos de Iván y tengo una lista de administraciones que han liberado datos, pero de otras no sé gran cosa. Por ejemplo, las ortofotos de castilla y León, ¿qué tipo de permiso hay para usarlas? Sé que se dio el permiso para su uso por medio de un correo electrónico, pero no sé si hay algo más firme detrás. Aquí, me pidieron que les dijese cómo lo habían hecho en otros sitios, (y en concreto en CyL), para ver la forma de poder hacerlo ellos también. Disposición tenían, pero hay que convencer al consejero. Por otra parte, he visto que mencionáis al Instituto Cartográfico de Andalucía y a la Conselleria d'Infraestructures i Transport de la Generalitat Valenciana, pero no sé lo que han hecho concretamente. Agradecería una ayudita para ver si podemos convencer a los del principado, aunque sólo sea para poder usar las ortofotos. Un saludo, Marcial ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-at] Autobahn Raststation Mondsee
Bei der Raststätte Mondsee kann man zum Mondsee / Bundesstraße abfahren. War aber schon länger nicht mehr dort, könnte sein, dass diese Geheimauffahrt inzwischen gesperrt ist. Falls wer die Tankstelle dort weiß, bitte eintragen. Stefan Hirschmann schrieb: Dauser Martin Johannes wrote: Hallo, ich habe die Raststation Mondsee, zu finden bei http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.836771lon=13.395519zoom=18layers=B000FTF aktualisiert und etwas verfeinert (ist aber im Westen noch nicht ganz vollständig). Jemand (Walter Schlögl) hatte das ganze Areal mit eine Fläche: * highway=services * name= Raststätte Mondsee hinterlegt. Ich glaube nicht, dass dies so passt ich habe aber im JOSM unter landuse= auch nicht wirklich etwas passendes gefunden. Weiss da jemand Rat bzw. wie trägt man den Raststättennamen ein? Ich habe es damals so gemacht (Rosenberger Pettnau/Tirol): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.28454lon=11.164672zoom=18layers=B000FTF also im wesentlichen das Gelände als Parkplatz getaggt und das Gebäude als Restaurant. Und noch eine zweite Frage dazu: Die Autobahnabfahrt und Auffahrt, sollten die wirklich mit highway=service eingetragen werden oder sollte man wie bei normalen Auf- und Abfahrten highway=motorway_link verwenden? -natürlich dann im Raststättenbereich nicht mehr. Hier ist das von mir verwendete Beispiel schlecht, weil es sich bei der Raststätte Rosenberger sowohl um eine Raststätte als auch eine Autobahnab/auffahrt handelt. Glaub das ist in Österreich einmalig. Ich würde einen motorway_link nur verwenden, wenn an dieser Stelle die Autobahn verlassen oder erstmalig erreicht werden kann. Dies ergibt sich meiner Meinung nach aus der Bedeutung von Auffahrt (ich war vorher nicht oben), bzw. Abfahrt (ich bin danach nicht mehr oben). Hingegen ist die Raststätte ein Teil der Autobahn, es herrscht in AT sogar Vignettenpflicht auf der Autobahnraststätte. Auch wegen der sinngemäßen Bedeutung von motorway_link: Link ist eine Verbindung würde ich sagen, dass ein Link nur dann sein kann, wenn eine Autobahn mit etwas ungleich sich selber verbunden wird. Und eine Raststätte ist nach meinem Verständnis keine Verbindung. Dies ist aber nur meine Meinung, die durch Wortableitungen entstanden ist. Ich habe kA was in DE der Konsens. Meines wissens ist aber highway=service das passendeste Tag, weil eine Autobahnraststätte nur ein Parkplatz ist, welcher über ein Restaurant verfügt und highway=service eine Zufahrt zu einem Parkplatz ist. MfG Stefan Hirschmann aka krasnoj ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Wegpunkte zu POI's wandeln
Schönen guten Tag OpenStreetMap! Heute (9. April) um 11:50 schriebst du: Ich habe Wegpunkte aufgezeichent mit Hausnummern (Der Name des Wegpunktes ist die Hausnummer). Kann man diese auf einfache weise direkt in JOSM übernehmen ohne sie nachzeichnen zu müssen? Da sehe ich ein Problem: Der Wegpunkt liegt auf der Straße, aber die Hausnummer soll auf's Gebäude... osm und gpx sind ja beides XML-Files, kann ich diese irgendwie konvertieren? Äh, natürlich geht das, und trotzdem sollte es nicht gemacht werden. Bei POIs mag's vielleicht Ausnahmen geben, aber gpx tracks: NO WAY! Ich glaube nicht dass du das vorhast, aber ich würde bei der Gelegenheit gerne meinen Ärger ablassen: Es gibt immer wieder Leute, die meinen, extra cool zu sein, indem sie ihre tracks umwandeln und hochladen. Der Rest der Welt ärgert sich dann mit mäandernden Punktewolken herum. Es gibt nicht umsonst die Funktion zum Hochladen von GPX-tracks als Hintergrund, und wenn man selber zu faul ist zum nachzeichnen, andere freuen sich über die Datenspende! (aber alegria6208 hört eh bestimmt nicht zu, der fügt bestimmt gerade wieder hunderte Punkte in eine Gerade ein oder zeichnet perfekte Kurven, wo gar keine sind...) -- Mit besten Grüßen, Boris ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Autobahn Raststation Mondsee
Michael Pichler wrote: Bei der Raststätte Mondsee kann man zum Mondsee / Bundesstraße abfahren. War aber schon länger nicht mehr dort, könnte sein, dass diese Geheimauffahrt inzwischen gesperrt ist. Weder gesperrt noch geheim, teilweises Fahrverbot IIRC. Ist auch eingezeichnet (name=Warte am See), wenn auch sehr ungenau und eckig. Was noch gefehlt hat, war der OEAMTC. Die Schlaufe dorthin ist derzeit nur grob eingetragen, weil nur ein einzelner, schlechter GPS Track vorhanden ist - daher auf RESURVEY gesetzt. lG ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Wegpunkte zu POI's wandeln
Hallo! Schönen guten Tag OpenStreetMap! Heute (9. April) um 11:50 schriebst du: Ich habe Wegpunkte aufgezeichent mit Hausnummern (Der Name des Wegpunktes ist die Hausnummer). Kann man diese auf einfache weise direkt in JOSM übernehmen ohne sie nachzeichnen zu müssen? Da sehe ich ein Problem: Der Wegpunkt liegt auf der Straße, aber die Hausnummer soll auf's Gebäude... Ich habe die Wegpunkte mit GpsMid aufgenommen und die Punkte dann schon aufs Gebäude gesetzt, die Position kann also direkt übernommen werden. osm und gpx sind ja beides XML-Files, kann ich diese irgendwie konvertieren? Äh, natürlich geht das, und trotzdem sollte es nicht gemacht werden. Bei POIs mag's vielleicht Ausnahmen geben, aber gpx tracks: NO WAY! Und wie geht das? Es soll gleich als Adresse eingetragen werden. lg, memo5 ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-ca] Cowichan River Provincial Park / Atlas Canada River relations Hope, BC
Hi, 2 pictures. You can see the difference in the park. .. and it looks like the CVRD is better (the NRCan Protected areas looks to be off-center). And you can see how the river as a multi-polygon covers the whole area. http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/Rgv_buUpFcoZyo3VtWNleA?feat=directlink http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.82823lon=-124.03466zoom=16layers=B000FTF And for the Frasier River - Hope. I use waterway=riverbank and have it as separate polygons, http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/181yx4-Fn6qo1y6Ids5RbA?feat=directlink http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.384lon=-121.44918zoom=16layers=B000FTF Which is better? Connected Polygons or a relation? BTW, in my example, i have the ways which are not named and oneway=yes, and the waterway=riverbank has the name of the river. Perhaps that should be reversed? Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca