[talk-ph] Micro Mapping Party in Ortigas-Mandaluyong on May 22

2010-05-14 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi guys, I really don't think we could push through with the Corregidor Mapping Party. Planning was mostly nonexistent and I don't think many people are willing to spend a large amount of money for the ferry trip and the possible overnight stay in the hotel on Corregidor. Let's postpone that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable The wording can doubtless be improved (please do so!), and maybe there's

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable Interesting. I just noticed the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 21:36, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 14/05/10 21:19, Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom paper map templates

2010-05-14 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi thanks, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Graham Jones grahamjones...@googlemail.com wrote: Sam, It is probably worth a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_on_Paper if you haven't seen it. http://www.ancalime.de/gutau.html Seems to be a little closer, but it would just need

Re: [OSM-talk] Custom paper map templates

2010-05-14 Thread Graham Jones
Hi Sam, Sorry, I think I missed the point of your question - I thought you wanted something automatic to save having to move things manually. When I have just wanted a quick map with a few additions I have just used osmarender and inkscape (I actually use the perl version of osmrender because it

Re: [OSM-talk] Help to import Rio de Janeiro city data to OSM - misaligned shapefiles

2010-05-14 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 14/05/2010 5:30, Arlindo Pereira escribió: [...] using Iván's ogr2osm.py [1] and it worked out pretty well. Oi! I'm glad my software is useful. Remember that ogr2osm is beerware, though :-) However, the tracks are misaligned with the tracks I already have collected with GPS Yeah, it

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-14 Thread Robert Martinez
Matt Amos wrote: as a preface, some thoughts i had a while ago on the OSM logo http://www.asklater.com/matt/wordpress/2006/05/infamy/ On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: having a real map as part of the logo offers some nice opportunities indeed! But

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-14 Thread Robert Martinez
John Smith wrote: don't mind the current logo, it incorporates the fact that there is bits behind the rendering... Isn't that kind of lame in the digital age we live in? :P ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Robert, In my opinion a logo has to reduce the amount of representation to the absolute essence in order to work right. [...] I chose to stick to the basic aspect of marking things on a map Marking things on a map is the absolute essence of trivial POI collection projects. There are

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-14 Thread Robert Martinez
Frederik Ramm wrote: Robert, In my opinion a logo has to reduce the amount of representation to the absolute essence in order to work right. [...] I chose to stick to the basic aspect of marking things on a map Marking things on a map is the absolute essence of trivial POI collection

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-14 Thread Liz
On Fri, 14 May 2010, Steve Bennett wrote: Can someone offer some tips on how to distinguish a quarry from a construction site? They seem to look pretty similar from the air - lots of dirt and vehicle tracks, sometimes piles of dirt. Eg:

Re: [OSM-talk] Help to import Rio de Janeiro city data to O SM - misaligned shapefiles

2010-05-14 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Iván Sánchez Ortega ivan at sanchezortega.es writes: That magical conversion is called a Proj.4 string. Instead of letting ogr2osm guess the projection, you can specify all of its parameters, including a manual shift on the x, y and z axis. Try with +proj=utm +zone=23 +south

Re: [OSM-talk] Help to import Rio de Janeiro city data to OSM - misaligned shapefiles

2010-05-14 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 14/05/2010 12:06, Jukka Rahkonen escribió: Try with +proj=utm +zone=23 +south +ellps=GRS67+towgs84=-66.87,4.37,-38.52 Somebody in the internet has used it before http://www.mundogeo.com.br/forum_mensagem.php?topico=1105 And the way to use it in ogr2osm should be something like: python

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Robert Martinez wrote: Unluckily I don't see how putting a magnifier on 1s and 0s on a map shows any kind of making anything either. Yes but the existing logo is cryptic enough not to make people think yeah, flagging POIs on a map, lots of people do that. Plus, the old logo didn't claim

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-14 Thread Liz
On Fri, 14 May 2010, Robert Martinez wrote: John Smith wrote: don't mind the current logo, it incorporates the fact that there is bits behind the rendering... Isn't that kind of lame in the digital age we live in? :P looks better than those flag things on the golf course, which is what

[OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Nakor
Hello, I came to the OSM project to help create a better map of the world, not to be insulted. Please remove the page http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/heroes.html immediately. Thanks in advance, N. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-14 Thread Robert Martinez
I would be interested to do so! Looks like I'll be near Barcelona at that time but the deadline for submitting talks is over. Maybe there are still free slots for a lighting Talk SteveC wrote: On May 13, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Robert Martinez wrote: What exactly would you expect to be the

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Mike N.
I came to the OSM project to help create a better map of the world, not to be insulted. Please remove the page http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/heroes.html immediately. Not only that, but more than one 'hero' belongs in the 'villain' category for blind and ill-considered

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 14/05/2010 14:25, Mike N. escribió: I came to the OSM project to help create a better map of the world, not to be insulted. Please remove the page http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/heroes.html immediately. Not only that, but more than one 'hero' belongs in the 'villain'

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Nakor, Nakor wrote: I came to the OSM project to help create a better map of the world, not to be insulted. Please remove the page http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/heroes.html immediately. The page is helpful and should not be removed. To be less offensive, one could replace the

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 14 May 2010 14:25, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:  Not only that, but more than one 'hero' belongs in the 'villain' category for blind and ill-considered duplicate elimination, causing a hopeless tangle of map elements which makes proper editing difficult to impossible. At least there are

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-14 Thread John F. Eldredge
Of course, a large water-filled hole, without vehicles around it, describes both an inactive quarry and an inactive large-scale building site. Given the current state of the world's economy, there are a certain number of the latter around, because the developer went broke. --Original

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Nakor
On 5/14/2010 8:31 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: The following users have created the most duplicate nodes since the count was started. If you are on this list, something is seriously wrong with either your software or your workflow, and you should talk to other mappers to help you fix it. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Frederik Ramm wrote: Nakor wrote: I came to the OSM project to help create a better map of the world, not to be insulted. Please remove the page http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/heroes.html immediately. The page is helpful and should not be removed. To be less offensive,

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Kevin Peat
It seems I'm a villain too although it's news to me. Thinking about it, it must be from copying and pasting some OS VectorMap polygons between .osm layers in JOSM over the last couple of weeks. JOSM seems to create the nodes for the polygon and then create them again with the way if that makes

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Friday 14 May 2010 15:03:25 Nakor wrote: I take you to the word. Can you please help me finding out what in the software I use (JOSM) and/or my workflow is seriously wrong? Not running the Validator plugin frequently enough. It detects, warns, and helps fix duplicated nodes. --

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-14 Thread Gregory
On 14 May 2010 05:32, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone offer some tips on how to distinguish a quarry from a construction site? They seem to look pretty similar from the air - lots of dirt and vehicle tracks, sometimes piles of dirt. Eg:

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Claudius
Am 14.05.2010 16:02, Kevin Peat: It seems I'm a villain too although it's news to me. Thinking about it, it must be from copying and pasting some OS VectorMap polygons between .osm layers in JOSM over the last couple of weeks. JOSM seems to create the nodes for the polygon and then create

[OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Occasionally the subject of Flash and free software comes up here in relation to Potlatch. I would encourage people to sign the petition at http://openplayer.net/ encouraging Adobe to make the Flash Player open source. cheers Richard ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Nakor
Did you download all existing data in that area and run the validator before uploading your data? This should have told you with a red No entry sign in it's report that you were about to upload duplicate nodes. Claudius Most of the time I use the feature to download around my GPS

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Emilie Laffray
+1 On 14 May 2010 18:10, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Occasionally the subject of Flash and free software comes up here in relation to Potlatch. I would encourage people to sign the petition at http://openplayer.net/ encouraging Adobe to make the Flash Player open source.

Re: [OSM-talk] Help to import Rio de Janeiro city data to OSM - misaligned shapefiles

2010-05-14 Thread John Smith
2010/5/14 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: Any ideas? I don't think that the government data is misaligned like that. You're wrong: it is. It all comes down to which reference system you use. Unfortunately, you'll need two years of geodetics classes in a university to have a full

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Matthias Julius
Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es writes: On Friday 14 May 2010 15:03:25 Nakor wrote: I take you to the word. Can you please help me finding out what in the software I use (JOSM) and/or my workflow is seriously wrong? Not running the Validator plugin frequently enough. It detects,

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Thread Matthias Julius
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: It's not so simple. This changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4300452 made me a villain when I selectively undid a so-called hero's indiscriminate joining of highways to boundaries, power lines, and pipelines:

Re: [OSM-talk] Help to import Rio de Janeiro city data to OSM - misaligned shapefiles

2010-05-14 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El día Friday 14 May 2010 19:14:35, John Smith dijo: Since the advent of satellites spinning round the globe, and more specifically the GPS cluster of satellites, they now use the centre of the mass of the earth. Problem is, the center of mass moves along with the continental drift. Have you

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread john whelan
Yes but a problem with Flash is it is a major security hole. It's probably the major source of Malware in Windows at the moment so we should probably promote other alternative methods. Cheerio John On 14 May 2010 13:08, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Occasionally the subject of

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 17:08, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Occasionally the subject of Flash and free software comes up here in relation to Potlatch. I would encourage people to sign the petition at http://openplayer.net/ encouraging Adobe to make the Flash Player open

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 17:08, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Occasionally the subject of Flash and free software comes up here in relation to Potlatch. I would encourage people to sign the

[OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable The wording can doubtless be improved (please do so!), and maybe there's something more to cover. Let's try to keep

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread SteveC
awesome On May 14, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable The wording can doubtless be improved

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable The wording can doubtless be improved (please do so!), and maybe there's

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 20:44, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: The wording can doubtless be improved (please do so!), and maybe there's something more to cover. Let's try to keep it short though. I think the wording is ok, but I would advise against

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Tom Hughes
On 14/05/10 21:19, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable The wording can doubtless be improved (please do so!), and

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 21:36, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 14/05/10 21:19, Ęvar Arnfjörš Bjarmason wrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 20:19, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: If the legal cabal doesn't disapprove of this (and hopefully, approves) I can submit patches against the website to include this in the relevant signup form. I've now changed[1] the signup form in my branch:

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Tom Hughes
On 14/05/10 22:53, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: The attribution part is there because of section #4 of the contributor terms: 4. At Your or the copyright holder’s option, OSMF agrees to attribute You or the copyright holder. A mechanism will be provided, currently a web

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 21:57, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: The point is not that we don't need to explain how attribution is handled but rather that we don't need to mention that it's a change because a new user has no knowledge of previous arrangements. In other words the first

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
john whelan wrote: Yes but a problem with Flash is it is a major security hole. My considered opinion on that theory is bollocks. It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its plugin

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread john whelan
www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-secure-is-flash-heres-what-adobe-wont-tell-you/2152 There are other web sites such as Symantec's site. Symantec's advice corporate advice: In order to reduce the threat of successful exploitation of Web browsers, administrators should maintain a restrictive policy

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 22:51, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Aevar Arnfjorth Bjarmason wrote: Making their player open source would be nice. But what's mainly stopping players like Gnash is that their protocols are closed The SWF and RTMP formats are published. The codecs

Re: [OSM-talk] Help to import Rio de Janeiro city data to OSM - misaligned shapefiles

2010-05-14 Thread Aun Johnsen
And if you really going to do this complicated, than add that the earth really is a liquid ball with hard shell pieces, some seismic events can make the earth wobble which might result in these drifts to accelerate or delay a few years each, sometimes in different directions, making these

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 May 2010 08:51, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its plugin architecture. Badly written Flash may crash my browser but it has not yet

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread Liz
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: It's probably the major source of Malware in Windows Yeah. The major source of drowning in the Atlantic Ocean is water. BAN water!!11!11o...@wtflolccbysa don't forget oxygen is not only poisonous in some forms but promotes explosions so ban

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Kunnen we weer terug naar de kaart ? Die licentie troubles gaan helemaal nergens over. Of we nu ODBL of CCBYSA zijn is volstrekt irrelevant zolang we geen rechtspersoon van betekenis (in euros) hebben. Is alleen maar nuttig voor mensen die liever lullen dan mappen. Oh ja Stefan, kan jij de PD

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
ik heb ooit wel eens een enquete of poll ingevuld waar werd gevraagd waar je vond dat het heen moest. PD was toen ook een optie maar daar heb ik in ieder geval niet voor gekozen. groet, floris Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-05-10 03:09,

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Roeland Douma
Het is wel degelijk relevant! Ik vind het namelijk een stuk fijner dat ik de baas blijf over mijn edits dan dat ik dat allemaal overgeef aan de OSM foundation. Daar zeg ik ook dat ik geen zin het om de legal list te volgen maar zo nu en dan even op de hoogte gehouden worden wat en hoe er met

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Roeland Douma
Had je dan wel voor ODbL gekozen? Groet, --Roeland On Friday 14 May 2010 09:41:02 Floris Looijesteijn wrote: ik heb ooit wel eens een enquete of poll ingevuld waar werd gevraagd waar je vond dat het heen moest. PD was toen ook een optie maar daar heb ik in ieder geval niet voor gekozen.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Roeland Douma
Dat is dan beter dan wat ik de laatste keer had begrepen. Wel slechter voor de kwaliteit van de kaart dan natuurlijk. Groet, --Roeland On Friday 14 May 2010 03:09:03 Cartinus wrote: On Friday 14 May 2010 00:09:35 Roeland Douma wrote: Voor zover ik heb begrepen wordt het opt-out dus als ik

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
ja, the lesser of two evils zeg maar :) ik wil niet pd omdat ik toch wel op z'n minst iets van credit voor m'n werk wil krijgen maar het zal me eigenlijk een worst wezen, ik wil gewoon kaartjes maken! gr, floris Roeland Douma wrote: Had je dan wel voor ODbL gekozen? Groet, --Roeland On

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Roeland Douma
Klinkt als een schitterende motivatie zeg :P Aan de ene kant bent ik voor credits maar aan de andere kant baal ik er nog veel meer van dat vanuit osm geen data richting 6pp kan, omdat de licentie van 6pp nog vrijer is (CC-0). Ik vind toch het argument ik wil gewoon kaartjes maken niet zo heel

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Roeland Douma wrote: ... (hoe vrij is dus een punt van discussie). Als een niet nader te noemen grote internet gigant opeens zegt van je mag bij ons best edits maken en je krijgt credit voor je werk maar de data wordt van ons. Denk niet dat er veel actieve OSM leden daar aan bij zouden

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Roeland Douma
Als we zo graag willen dat iedereen onze kaart kan gebruiken dan lijkt PD me toch de beste oplossing. Probleem met het hele ODbL vraagstuk is dat je direct dagen bezig bent om alles erover te lezen alle discussie door te ploegen etc. Terwijl ik vaak simpele berichtgeving overzichten van wat we

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Cartinus
On Thursday 13 May 2010 23:27:18 Henk Hoff wrote: We moeten nu het stadium van mijmeren over scenario's achter ons laten. Tijd om te zien wat de daadwerkelijke cijfers zullen zijn. Dan kunnen we over die echte cijfers gaan praten. Precies, we moeten weten waar we aan toe zijn. Dat kun je doen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voorODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Roeland, Ste: Ik heb zojuist alle edits van jouw naam gekopieerd en ga ze publiceren onder PD licentie: wat ga je nu doen behalve niet fijn vinden ?? Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest)  Before printing, think about the

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-05-10 14:10, Cartinus schreef: Of je kunt _nu_ aan de top twintig editors in Nederland te vragen hoe ze erover denken en uit proberen te zoeken hoeveel impact dat heeft. Dat is dus de issue ;) Die top twintig hoeft niet de historische

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voorODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Roeland Douma
Het gaat er toch niet om wat ik ga doen? Het gaat erom wat ik kan doen. Veel fanatieke OSM-ers roepen juist dat onze kaart vrij is (discutabel punt maar dat is voor een andere keer). Echter je moet je aan de licentie houden. Er zijn al genoeg recht zaken omtrent GPL geweest en nog vele meer

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
het is vast niet zo heel moeilijk om een kaartje te maken met alle ways die nog versie 1 zijn... dat geeft misschien al een aardig beeld... Stefan de Konink wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-05-10 14:10, Cartinus schreef: Of je kunt _nu_ aan de top twintig editors

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-05-10 15:03, Floris Looijesteijn schreef: het is vast niet zo heel moeilijk om een kaartje te maken met alle ways die nog versie 1 zijn... dat geeft misschien al een aardig beeld... Versie 1 in de full dump is niet de 'eerste' versie 1.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-05-10 15:47, Floris Looijesteijn schreef: Huh? Weet je dat zeker? Meer info ergens? De hele history is op een zeker moment geditched. Ik weet niet meer of dat was van 0.5 = 0.6 of van in een van de vorige versies. Maakt niet uit natuurlijk,

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-05-10 17:02, Henk Hoff schreef: Einde vorig jaar is er een stemmingsronde geweest onder de leden van de OSM Foundation over dit proces. Deze hebben met overgrote meerderheid voor continuatie van het proces gestemd. De leden (270)

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Henk Hoff
Op 14 mei 2010 17:27 schreef Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de het volgende: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-05-10 17:02, Henk Hoff schreef: Einde vorig jaar is er een stemmingsronde geweest onder de leden van de OSM Foundation over dit proces. Deze hebben met

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Cartinus
On Friday 14 May 2010 17:17:25 Stefan de Konink wrote: De hele history is op een zeker moment geditched. Ik weet niet meer of dat was van 0.5 = 0.6 of van in een van de vorige versies. Dat was tussen 0.4 en 0.5. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hey Henk, Op 14-05-10 18:53, Henk Hoff schreef: Dat mag je vinden. Echter, dit is een heel gebruikelijke gang van zaken bij verenigingen. We zijn geen vereniging. Sterker nog de meeste mensen zijn betrokken geraakt bij OSM toen het nog gewoon

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Cartinus
On Friday 14 May 2010 18:54:55 Cartinus wrote: On Friday 14 May 2010 17:17:25 Stefan de Konink wrote: De hele history is op een zeker moment geditched. Ik weet niet meer of dat was van 0.5 = 0.6 of van in een van de vorige versies. Dat was tussen 0.4 en 0.5. Overigens is de ontwikkelaar

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-05-10 19:20, Cartinus schreef: Dat laatste is voor Nederland overigens grotendeels irrelevant want de AND import was vlak voor de 0.4 - 0.5 overgang en ik hoop dat iedereen (die er toen bij was) zich nog kan herinneren hoe weinig er is

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread F. Heinen
Maw wachten totdat iedereen gestemd heeft en zien wat er van de OSM DB overblijft En wat was ook alweer de reden om *echt* principieel tegen ODbL te zijn? Ik ben het met Henk eens. Er is maar één manier in iedergeval om dit goed te regelen en dat is als 1 orgaan bepaald (democratisch) onder

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nieuwe gebruikers moeten zich registreren voor ODbL (naast CC-BY-SA)

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 14-05-10 20:42, F. Heinen schreef: En wat was ook alweer de reden om _echt_ principieel tegen ODbL te zijn? Principele reden is het afgeven van rechten aan de OSMF die er dan in principe alles mee kan doen wat men goed dunkt. Daarbij zijn voor

[talk-au] Border dispute answers erased in time - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

2010-05-14 Thread Liz
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/14/2899710.htm -- Advancement in position. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Ways incorrectly tagged as admin boundaries?

2010-05-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 May 2010 14:14, Balram Ramanathan balram.ramanat...@nearmap.com wrote: Hi, I've come across a handful of Ways with ABS data attributions that are (probably incorrectly) marked as administrative boundaries. They are: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14191309

Re: [Talk-br] Virada Hacker com OSM

2010-05-14 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Gostaria de estar presente. Vamo que vamo! []s 2010/5/14 Diogo diogownunes2...@yahoo.com.br On 5/14/2010 8:00 AM, talk-br-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 07:14:57 -0300 From: Claudomiro Nascimento Juniorclaudom...@claudomiro.com Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Virada

[Talk-br] Relatório Semanal: 14/05/2010

2010-05-14 Thread Vitor George
*Status dos Projetos OSM-br* * B250C - Brasil 250 Cidades* Página do Projeto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/Brasil_250_Cidades *2a. fase* Conectividade em *72,42%* *(+6,15%)* Grid Atualizado (html): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.html (13 Mb) Grid Atualizado

[Talk-br] Imagens de Satélite do CBERS 2B

2010-05-14 Thread Vitor George
Olá Pessoal, Acabei de baixar uma imagem de satélite do CBERS 2B. As imagens são monocromáticas e com resolução de 2.5 metros. A imagem é um pouco pior que a do yahoo, mas a vantagem é que cobre todo Brasil. Eu acho que a gente pode usar estas imagens principalmente para mapear cidades menores.

Re: [Talk-br] Imagens de Satélite do CBERS 2B

2010-05-14 Thread Johan Dahlin
2010/5/14 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Olá Pessoal, Acabei de baixar uma imagem de satélite do CBERS 2B. As imagens são monocromáticas e com resolução de 2.5 metros. A imagem é um pouco pior que a do yahoo, mas a vantagem é que cobre todo Brasil. Eu acho que a gente pode usar estas

Re: [Talk-br] Imagens de Satélite do CBERS 2B

2010-05-14 Thread Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
As rodovias menores (de duas pistas) são identificáveis na imagem? Se for, seria uma ótima para melhorar o traçado das importanções do IBGE... 2010/5/14 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Olá Pessoal, Acabei de baixar uma imagem de satélite do CBERS 2B. As imagens são monocromáticas e com

Re: [Talk-br] Imagens de Satélite do CBERS 2B

2010-05-14 Thread Johan Dahlin
2010/5/14 Johan Dahlin jdah...@gmail.com: 2010/5/14 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com: Olá Pessoal, Acabei de baixar uma imagem de satélite do CBERS 2B. As imagens são monocromáticas e com resolução de 2.5 metros. A imagem é um pouco pior que a do yahoo, mas a vantagem é que cobre todo

Re: [Talk-br] Imagens de Satélite do CBERS 2B

2010-05-14 Thread Ronaldo Maia
2010/5/14 Arlindo Pereira arli...@clavis.com.br: Eu acho muito louco essas licenças limitarem cidadãos brasileiros. Quer dizer que se tivermos uma força tarefa para traçar as cidades com essas imagens o Aun (por exemplo) não poderá ajudar? Meio esquisito isso... Eu acho que o grande problema

[Talk-de] OSM in Sachsen verbessern

2010-05-14 Thread Matthias Meißer
Hallo, um es kurz zu machen, würde ich gerne OSM in Sachsen verbessern. Vielleicht möchte ja jemand mit anpacken? Hintergründe,Details+Diskussion gibts dazu hier: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=7495 (kommt ihr mit eurem normalen OSM Login rein) Bitte lasst uns erstmal im Forum

Re: [Talk-de] source:maxspeed=DE:urban

2010-05-14 Thread Tirkon
Johannes Huesing johan...@huesing.name wrote: So erspart man sich explizit anzugeben ob eine Straße innerhalb oder außerhalb einer Stadt ist (weil Polygon umlegen nicht (zuverlaessig) funktioniert). Aber das ist doch von hinten durch die Brust ins Auge, Habe ich richtig verstanden,

Re: [Talk-de] source:maxspeed=DE:urban

2010-05-14 Thread aighes
Nein, das Zugehörigkeitstag sollte nur nicht maxspeed heißen, sondern geschlossene_ortschaft=yes oder was weiß ich. Hallo, ich fände ein unabhängiges Tag auch sinnvoller. Das würde auch gleich den maxspeed-Krieg mit lösen. Über solch ein Tag kann man sich ein maxspeed ableiten, wenn keines

Re: [Talk-de] source:maxspeed=DE:urban

2010-05-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. Mai 2010 14:17 schrieb aighes h.scholl...@googlemail.com: Hallo, ich fände ein unabhängiges Tag auch sinnvoller. Das würde auch gleich den maxspeed-Krieg mit lösen. ach so? Weil man dann gar nicht mehr weiss, wie die Höchstgeschwindigkeit ist? Weil man eine Tabelle bräuchte, um

Re: [Talk-de] source:maxspeed=DE:urban

2010-05-14 Thread Rainer Kluge
Hallo, Tirkon schrieb: Irgendwann kam jemand auf die Idee, dass diese Höchstgeschwindigkeit durch ein explizites Schild angekündigt werden kann oder durch eine geschlossene Ortschaft bedingt werden kann. Daher erfand er: maxspeed=DE:urban Der Vorteil liegt darin, dass man nichts ändern muss,

Re: [Talk-de] source:maxspeed=DE:urban

2010-05-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. Mai 2010 14:42 schrieb Rainer Kluge rklug...@web.de: geschlossene Ortschaft bedingt werden kann. Daher erfand er: maxspeed=DE:urban Der Vorteil liegt darin, dass man nichts ändern muss, wenn der Gesetztgeber mal auf die Idee kommt die Höchstgeschwindigkeit in geschlossenen

Re: [Talk-de] source:maxspeed=DE:urban

2010-05-14 Thread aighes
Hallo, es gibt Leute die lieber die maxspeed aus dem urban, etc. ziehen möchten und Leute die sie aus dem maxspeed holen wollen. Jeder kann sich frei aussuchen woher er diese Daten bezieht. Das maxspeed bleibt ja vom innerorts-TAG unberührt. Bei den Zahlenwerten ging ich von Deutschland aus,

Re: [Talk-de] source:maxspeed=DE:urban

2010-05-14 Thread Volker
aighes schrieb: Der Vorteil gegenüber einem source:maxspeed ist der, dass die Höchstgeschwindigkeit Innerorts auch durch ein Schild geregelt sein kann. Dann müsste man source:maxspeed=sign eintragen. Dies trifft aber auf alle Straßen zu und charakterisiert damit keine innerortige Straße.

[Talk-de] Diskussion über Geotagging in Leipzig am Dienstag

2010-05-14 Thread Fabian Schmidt
Hallo, die Leipzig School of Media lädt am Dienstag zu einer Diskussionsveranstaltung über Geotagging im Mediencampus in Leipzig http://osm.org/go/0MGgzJaxS- ein. Fabian. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:55:11 +0200 From: Leipzig School of Media gGmbH

Re: [Talk-de] source:maxspeed=DE:urban

2010-05-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. Mai 2010 15:44 schrieb Volker aeon...@gmx.de: Warum kompliziert, wenn es auch einfach geht? Wenn einStraßenabschnitt mit einer Geschwindigkeit getaggt ist, kann man davon ausgehen, dass da ein Schild stehen. Was soll da noch extra ein tag für ein Verkehrszeichen? das steht lang und

Re: [Talk-de] Lastenseilbahn

2010-05-14 Thread Sven Geggus
Karl Eichwalder k...@gnu.franken.de wrote: Gerne :) -- wegen des nebeldunsts ist die person aber nur schwer zu erkennen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/keichwa/3900592310/in/set-72157622081037621/ Diese Personenbeförderung sieht aber eher illegal aus. Allerdings ist das wohl häufig. Von

Re: [Talk-de] OSM in Sachsen verbessern

2010-05-14 Thread Manuel Reimer
Matthias Meißer wrote: Bitte lasst uns erstmal im Forum diskutieren, da ist die Einstiegshürde geringer und nicht jeder muss auf Talk-DE sein. Muss auch so keiner. Kennst du gmane schon? Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Relationsdarstellung auf OSM-Karte

2010-05-14 Thread Gary68
habe mapgen.pl 1.05 veröffentlicht. die neue version kann das. On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 16:18 +0200, Stephan Wolff wrote: Moin, ich suche ein Tool, dass die Elemente einer Relation mit ihrer Rolle auf dem Hintergrund einer OSM-Karte darstellt. Die Darstellung könnte sehr ähnlich der des

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