Re: [OSM-talk-be] A few questions

2014-03-08 Thread Marc Gemis
The best I get with my Garmin Dakota 10 is 3-4m, but in narrow streets or
forests it might be worse. Another setting on a Dakota is the number of
tracking points. When you don't record enough points you will notice that
the track shows shortcuts on corners.

can't help with the osmtracker questions. Another place to post questions
is http://help.openstreetmap.org , or http://forum.openstreetmap.org , just
in case the Belgian community cannot help you with this one.

regards

m



On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:30 AM, uss...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm still testing a few things, a.o. osmtracker. first headache was the
 gps innacuracy. I am using a Samsung S2, and yesterday osmtracker gave me a
 40-50m accuracy, my first tracks looked like my 3 years old drawing lines.
 Funny thing is that both google maps and osmand could show my location with
 much more precision !?
 searching for some web solutions, funny enough, unchecking the 'use sensor
 aiding' helped a lot. I'm getting 5-20m now. Is that the best I should
 expect or am I missing some additional tweaking?

 As it seems, osmtracker is a standard in the field, I was wondering if
 there is a custom belgian xml file available for the buttons presets ?

 Thanks

 Nyamuk

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] A few questions

2014-03-08 Thread Glenn Plas
The best results to prevent shortcuts is a GPS system that will sample a 
coordinate when your direction threshold crosses a customizable number 
of degrees.  I've had plenty of succes using about 23 to 26 degrees.   
This is not how most handhelds work it seems.   I think most of them 
work with timers and some sort of algorithm to prevent spidering ( I go 
deeper on this subject in this thread : 
http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/35215/detecting-lack-of-movement-on-gps-device 
)


I'm using GPS tracers made by KCS ( 
http://trace.me/index.asp?page=hardware ) , they wil send the data over 
GPRS to a backend from where you can extract this data to any format 
available.


The results I have with these devices are pretty good.  For example:  
the cloverleaf in Mechelen  ( 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/11186733#map=17/51.05095/4.50413 )

was sampled with 3 units in 1 car, and a Garmin Etrex as control.

I didn't manually / visually correct for mistakes, there where no sat 
sources since this was new and google was like 2 years behind bing (who 
was a year behind).


But the point of all this is: if you want to avoid the cornering 
artifacts: look for a way to sample using heading (degrees) changes.   
Other sensors inputs can be : acceleration,  distance. Anything that is 
not timer based in fact.  Timer based samples pretty much suck.  A 
combination of all should be perfect, as long as timers are only taken 
while the asset is driving.


Handhelds compensate (or try to) for this but at the cost of accuracy of 
the result set.   Sometimes by taking hundreds of samples in a few 
seconds, of which plenty will be kind of 'cached' and probably a few 
that timeout (in a 2 second timout a car does make a significant 
distance ).  The the postfilters try to sort those out.It all 
depends very much on the implementation quality of the handhelds.   My 
13 year old garmin etrex still performs quite well given the age.


Hope this helps,

Glenn


On 08-03-14 10:35, Marc Gemis wrote:
The best I get with my Garmin Dakota 10 is 3-4m, but in narrow streets 
or forests it might be worse. Another setting on a Dakota is the 
number of tracking points. When you don't record enough points you 
will notice that the track shows shortcuts on corners.


can't help with the osmtracker questions. Another place to post 
questions is http://help.openstreetmap.org , or 
http://forum.openstreetmap.org , just in case the Belgian community 
cannot help you with this one.


regards

m



On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:30 AM, uss...@gmail.com 
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I'm still testing a few things, a.o. osmtracker. first headache
was the gps innacuracy. I am using a Samsung S2, and yesterday
osmtracker gave me a 40-50m accuracy, my first tracks looked like
my 3 years old drawing lines. Funny thing is that both google maps
and osmand could show my location with much more precision !?
searching for some web solutions, funny enough, unchecking the
'use sensor aiding' helped a lot. I'm getting 5-20m now. Is that
the best I should expect or am I missing some additional tweaking?

As it seems, osmtracker is a standard in the field, I was
wondering if there is a custom belgian xml file available for the
buttons presets ?

Thanks

Nyamuk

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[OSM-talk-be] welcoming new mappers

2014-03-08 Thread joost schouppe
Hi,

I just created a way to make it easy to welcome new Belgian mappers to the
community. I made a draft welcome message (in Dutch) available here (
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ekf8tDrCoBQ39mHfN3LgNeyWKbEDqwCsVH3nyp5b5gs/pub)
and a self-updating archiving spreadsheet with the new members here (
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Aph66Gc0kPLddEhoSmhUc0Fqbm5HeFk2ZXRMVTFzMUEsingle=truegid=1output=html).
Full explanation is available in my diary:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/21153

Please let me know what you think. And if you like it: I can use your help!

Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] A few questions about osmtracker GPS

2014-03-08 Thread André Pirard

  
  
On 2014-03-08 09:30, uss...@gmail.com
  wrote :


  I'm still testing a few things, a.o. osmtracker. first headache was the gps innacuracy. I am using a Samsung S2, and yesterday osmtracker gave me a 40-50m accuracy, my first tracks looked like my 3 years old drawing lines. 

Smart phones GPS are said to be less accurate than those of
dedicated GPS devices.
But I wonder if it's a chip or antenna problem. I noticed that the
signal strength increases if the phone is put on a metal plate.
The precision depends on the number and angle of satellites that are
"fixed" and should be the same for all applications.
It varies according to being inside a building vs in open air, to
the thickness of the cloud cover, TOD and maybe other factors.
It can be observed with applications: "GPS Status and Toolbox" and
(not tried) "GPS Test" and "inViu GPS-details".
To shorten startup time, be sure to have correct AGPS settings as
well as EPO if applicable.
With a MTK6577, I can get 40-50 m too after fix but, later and in
good conditions, 10 m and even 5m.
inViu have a tracker too. You might want to check it.

  Funny thing is that both google maps and osmand could show my location with much more precision !?

You don't say how you measure accuracy in the various cases.
I wonder if the accuracy that osmtracker reports in each GPX
waypoint isn't different from that of GPS Status.

  searching for some web solutions, funny enough, unchecking the 'use sensor aiding' helped a lot. I'm getting 5-20m now. Is that the best I should expect or am I missing some additional tweaking?

I can't find 'use sensor aiding'.

  As it seems, osmtracker is a standard in the field, I was wondering if there is a custom belgian xml file available for the buttons presets ?



Not that I know of.
I found an important usability issue and I have sent them a bug
report.
What do you think about it?
They don't seem very responsive.

Cheers,


  

  André.

  



  


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Re: [OSM-talk] MasterCity: Play with OpenStreetMap

2014-03-08 Thread Mario Danelli

Il 24/02/2013 02:04, Svavar Kjarrval ha scritto:

When do you plan to add more nations to the game? I could advertise the
game within the local OSM community if there was support for my country.
Then it might receive some attention from geography teachers.

- Svavar Kjarrval

On 23/02/13 12:51, Mario Danelli wrote:

Hi,

thanks to OpenStreetMap and his team I have just released a new
application, currently only for Android but if it hasa bit of success
I have already set the output on the iPhone and iPad, called Master
City.

The application is actually a game where, with a double-click, you
have to find 5 cities on the map.

The data can be filtered by continent or country and choose from 3
different levels of the game.
Furthermore, the application does not require access to the internet
or wi-fi because, at the moment, everything is contained in the
application itself.

If you want to take a look under the page on the store
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.danelli.mariofeature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5kYW5lbGxpLm1hcmlvIl0.

I highly recommend you let me know if there are improvements
(obviously) and such.

In addition to the game itself I think can also be useful to know
OpenStreetMap for people of all ages (from 10 up can also be used as
an exercise in geography).

Thanks again to all who in recent years have been mapped and those who
have just begun.
The assignment can be found in the credits section of the settings.

Mario Danelli


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Hi Svavar,

I don't know if you have found it on the Play Store but some months ago 
I released Master City Iceland.


Below the Play Store link:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.danelli.mario.mastercity.iceland

In the next weeks it will be released on Apple world too.
At the moment only Master City for iPhone has been released.

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[OSM-talk] where to buy custom, large print OSM maps?

2014-03-08 Thread Mikel Maron
anyone doing this?
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] where to buy custom, large print OSM maps?

2014-03-08 Thread Paul Norman
If you have a suitable style for print, it's not too hard to make a large
image that can then be printed in high quality at Office Depot, Staples,
Fedex stores, etc. The hard part is the map style.

 

From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel_ma...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 5:13 AM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk] where to buy custom, large print OSM maps?

 

anyone doing this?

 

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Re: [OSM-talk] where to buy custom, large print OSM maps?

2014-03-08 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Mikel Maron mikel_maron at yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 anyone doing this?
 
  
 * Mikel Maron * +14152835207  at mikel s:mikelmaron

http://www.geofabrik.de/maps/printed.html

-Jukka Rahkonen-



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Re: [OSM-talk] MasterCity: Play with OpenStreetMap

2014-03-08 Thread Svavar Kjarrval

On 08/03/14 12:07, Mario Danelli wrote:
 I don't know if you have found it on the Play Store but some months
 ago I released Master City Iceland.

 Below the Play Store link:
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.danelli.mario.mastercity.iceland


I did find it. Thank you. :D

- Svavar Kjarrval



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Re: [Talk-br] Progresso com os mapas do IBGE

2014-03-08 Thread Marcelo Pereira
Thiago,

Novamente parabéns pelo excelente trabalho.

Gostaria de saber como faço para ajudar no processamento.

Se vc tiver um script de como gerar os tiles, fica mais fácil distribuir a
tarefa por quem se interessar, e cada um ficar responsável por um estado,
por exemplo, claro que gerando tiles para cada municipio.

Imagino que a disponibilização dos tiles para uso como layer no JOSM possa
ficar no seu servidor web.

Daí, rodaríamos os scripts, geraríamos os tiles e faríamos o upload para
seu servidor. ( ou para outro que ficar disponível )

Uma pergunta de noobie, um serviço como o Dropbox não poderia ajudar no
armazenamento dos tiles ?

No seu exemplo, qual o tamanho final dos arquivos ?


Raffaello,

Uma preocupação minha com o uso dessa informação para desenhar o arruamento
e principalmente os POIs, é a imprecisão da fonte.

Veja que no exemplo, existe uma considerável diferença entre o que já está
traçado e os tiles sobrespostos.

Fica a pergunta se devemos incluir dados no mapa que não tenham confirmação
por tracklogs ou referenciamento.

Quanto a nomeação das ruas, é uma das melhores fontes.

Att,

Marcelo Pereira




Em 7 de março de 2014 23:26, Raffaello Bruno Limongi Freire 
raffaellobr...@hotmail.com escreveu:

 Sim, Thiago,

 além dos nomes de rua, eu também uso os mapas do IBGE para pescar nomes e
 localização de pontos de interesse. O desenho das ruas foi só uma
 possibilidade a mais que vislumbrei a partir do momento em que você
 conseguiu georreferenciar e juntar essas imagens em uma layer do OSM.

 A partir do momento em que seu procedimento ficar operacional em larga
 escala e mais gente puder dividir o trabalho com você (para converter o
 Brasil inteiro), teremos uma ótima fonte de dados para acelerar o
 desenvolvimento dos mapas.

 Atenciosamente,
 Raffaello Bruno

  From: tmpsan...@gmail.com
  Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 02:47:30 +0200
  To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
  Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Progresso com os mapas do IBGE

 
  2014-03-08 2:36 GMT+02:00 Raffaello Bruno Limongi Freire
  raffaellobr...@hotmail.com:
   Oi, Thiago,
  
   ficou muito bom.
  
 
  Valeu!
 
   Essas imagens do IBGE serão úteis também naqueles lugares onde não há
 tracks
   de GPS ou imagens do Bing disponíveis, pois permitirão que se faça um
   desenho preliminar das vias (no Tracksource chamamos de Draft),
 inserindo-se
   a tag fixme para que se corrija o traçado assim que novas fontes de
 consulta
   estiverem disponíveis (tracks, Bing, etc.).
 
  Acho que vai ser bom também para pegar nomes de ruas e até mesmo nomes
  de alguns Pontos de Interesse.
 
  BTW, atendendo à pedidos, segue Bom Despacho - MG:
 
  http://tiles.tmpsantos.com.br/31/3107406/
 
  Estou quebrando a cabeça para ver como escalar o processo para muitas
  cidades, pode demorar um tempo. Mas se alguém tiver interesse em
  alguma cidade específica, é só pedir aqui na lista que eu gero o mapa.
 
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Re: [Talk-br] Progresso com os mapas do IBGE

2014-03-08 Thread Raffaello Bruno Limongi Freire
Oi, Marcelo,
você está certo, não podemos confiar na precisão do georreferenciamento dos 
mapas do IBGE. 
Assim, o foco mesmo deve ser a nomenclatura das ruas. Acho que também dá para 
inserir alguns POIs como ponto (principalmente aqueles localizados em esquinas).
Por enquanto, tenho o hábito de mapear (inclusive no Tracksource), somente 
cidades em que eu já estive, nas quais eu gravei tracklogs, mas há lugares que 
aparentemente nunca vão ser fotografados pelo Bing e é nesses lugares, em 
último caso, que eu imaginei aproveitar o desenho do IBGE.
Acho que é melhor que nada...
Obs.: estou baixando o Ubuntu e o Virtual Box para testar. Só não sei se vai 
rodar no meu net.
Atenciosamente,Raffaello Bruno
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 09:22:04 -0300
From: pereirahol...@gmail.com
To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Progresso com os mapas do IBGE

Thiago,
Novamente parabéns pelo excelente trabalho.
Gostaria de saber como faço para ajudar no processamento.
Se vc tiver um script de como gerar os tiles, fica mais fácil distribuir a 
tarefa por quem se interessar, e cada um ficar responsável por um estado, por 
exemplo, claro que gerando tiles para cada municipio.

Imagino que a disponibilização dos tiles para uso como layer no JOSM possa 
ficar no seu servidor web.
Daí, rodaríamos os scripts, geraríamos os tiles e faríamos o upload para seu 
servidor. ( ou para outro que ficar disponível )

Uma pergunta de noobie, um serviço como o Dropbox não poderia ajudar no 
armazenamento dos tiles ?
No seu exemplo, qual o tamanho final dos arquivos ?


Raffaello,
Uma preocupação minha com o uso dessa informação para desenhar o arruamento e 
principalmente os POIs, é a imprecisão da fonte.
Veja que no exemplo, existe uma considerável diferença entre o que já está 
traçado e os tiles sobrespostos.

Fica a pergunta se devemos incluir dados no mapa que não tenham confirmação por 
tracklogs ou referenciamento.
Quanto a nomeação das ruas, é uma das melhores fontes.

Att,
Marcelo Pereira



Em 7 de março de 2014 23:26, Raffaello Bruno Limongi Freire 
raffaellobr...@hotmail.com escreveu:




Sim, Thiago,
além dos nomes de rua, eu também uso os mapas do IBGE para pescar nomes e 
localização de pontos de interesse. O desenho das ruas foi só uma possibilidade 
a mais que vislumbrei a partir do momento em que você conseguiu georreferenciar 
e juntar essas imagens em uma layer do OSM.

A partir do momento em que seu procedimento ficar operacional em larga escala e 
mais gente puder dividir o trabalho com você (para converter o Brasil inteiro), 
teremos uma ótima fonte de dados para acelerar o desenvolvimento dos mapas.

Atenciosamente,Raffaello Bruno

 From: tmpsan...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 02:47:30 +0200
 To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org

 Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Progresso com os mapas do IBGE
 
 2014-03-08 2:36 GMT+02:00 Raffaello Bruno Limongi Freire
 raffaellobr...@hotmail.com:

  Oi, Thiago,
 
  ficou muito bom.
 
 
 Valeu!
 
  Essas imagens do IBGE serão úteis também naqueles lugares onde não há tracks
  de GPS ou imagens do Bing disponíveis, pois permitirão que se faça um

  desenho preliminar das vias (no Tracksource chamamos de Draft), inserindo-se
  a tag fixme para que se corrija o traçado assim que novas fontes de consulta
  estiverem disponíveis (tracks, Bing, etc.).

 
 Acho que vai ser bom também para pegar nomes de ruas e até mesmo nomes
 de alguns Pontos de Interesse.
 
 BTW, atendendo à pedidos, segue Bom Despacho - MG:
 
 http://tiles.tmpsantos.com.br/31/3107406/

 
 Estou quebrando a cabeça para ver como escalar o processo para muitas
 cidades, pode demorar um tempo. Mas se alguém tiver interesse em
 alguma cidade específica, é só pedir aqui na lista que eu gero o mapa.

 
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Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Buildings: Sketch-Mode

2014-03-08 Thread chris66
Am 06.03.2014 08:02, schrieb Elstermann, Mike:
 Unter OSM-Buildings ist der Skizzenmodus wieder verfügbar. 

Also im normal 3D Modus sehen meine Gebäude total verzerrt aus.

Wird das OSM simple 3D Modell von der Seite nur unvollständig
umgesetzt?

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Re: [Talk-de] Wo wird OSM in 3D regelmäßig gerendert?

2014-03-08 Thread hannes.janet...@gmail.com
Hallo Manuel,

einen experimentellen Renderer mit minutely-updates gibt es auch:
http://opensciencemap.org/s3db/#scale=17rot=-82tilt=58lat=53.083lon=8.812

Sieht nicht ganz so hübsch aus wie die f4 map und es fehlen noch ein paar
s3db tags, aber viele Sachen werden schon recht gut gerendert. Die
roof-line Tags sollten funktioneren und es werden gabled/hipped roofs mit
komplizierteren Grundrissen mit Straight-Skeletons berechnet.

Gestern bin ich endlich mal dazu gekommen die colour Tags zu implementieren
:)

Grüße,
Hannes



2014-03-07 17:19 GMT+01:00 Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de:

 Hallo,

 gibt es einen Dienst bei dem man OSM in 3D halbwegs regelmäßig
 aktualisiert betrachten kann?

 Ich möchte da in meiner Umgebung gerne mal etwas rumprobieren und würde
 das Ergebnis dann gerne auch zeitnah begutachten.

 Mir schwebt da sowas wie die Karte hier vor:
 http://maps.osm2world.org/

 Nur sollte regelmäßiger gerendert werden. Zum Beispiel tagesaktuell.

 Für einen Tipp wäre ich dankbar.

 Gruß

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[Talk-de] iD: Nach Flächenzeichnung direkt zu den Tags?

2014-03-08 Thread Manuel Reimer

Hallo,

wenn ich in iD eine Fläche fertig gezeichnet habe, dann zwingt mich der 
Editor erst durch die Kategorien. Erst dann kann ich die Tags selber 
beeinflussen. Kann man das abstellen?


Danke im Voraus

Gruß

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Re: [Talk-de] was bedeutet das? (Josm)

2014-03-08 Thread fly
On 07.03.2014 11:48, Caronna wrote:
 Am 06.03.2014 11:22, schrieb Caronna:

Hallo Steffen

Kannst Du bitte nochmal genau schreiben welche version Du verwendest und
ob Du vielleicht ssl (https) manuell für die Verbindungen eingetragen hast.

Generell, solltest Du es mal mit einem neuen/leere JOSM-Verzeichnis
versuchen [1] (leider nicht deutsch). Es sollte aber auch unter den
Erweiterten Einstellungen ein Option geben, diese zu Speichern und auch
Zurückzusetzten. Eventuell ist auf Expertenmodus umzustellen nötig.

 Die Anmeldung beim OSM-Server mit der OAuth-Zugriffskennung
 3dyeSYufxx ist fehlgeschlagen.
 Rufen Sie bitte den Voreinstellungsdialog auf, um eine neue
 Zugriffskennung anzufordern.


Hast Du eventuell einen Hacken in einer Checkbox in den
OAuth-Einstellungen entfernt und benutzt jetzt Dein Token nur temporär ?

 da dachte ich ich hätte das gelöst! aber nichts da!
 Diese Seltsamkeit kommt jetzt dauernd wenn ich aus Josm raus war und
 wieder rein will.
 Jedesmal ne neue Zugriffskennung anfordern ist was lästig.
 
 Ich vermute mal Josm hat n Schluckauf oder so ;)
 Es gibt doch die Möglichkeit bestimmte Dateien zu löschen die dann Josm
 wieder erstellt, welche sind das?

Zum Teil s.o.
Innerhalb des Verzeichnisses sollte ein cache verzeichnis liegen, in
das zwischengespeicht wird, allerdings hat dies wohl nichts mit Deinem
Problem zu tun.

Wenn alles nicht hilf kannst Du ja bitte ein neues Ticket auf der
JOSM-Seite erstellen. Geht anonym und ist auch auf Deutsch OK obwohl
Englisch bevorzugt wird.
Dazu unter Hilfe - Status Bericht den Schalter Fehler berichten ganz
unten verwenden.

Viel Erfolg
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Re: [Talk-de] was bedeutet das? (Josm)

2014-03-08 Thread Caronna

Am 08.03.2014 16:56, schrieb fly:

On 07.03.2014 11:48, Caronna wrote:
 Am 06.03.2014 11:22, schrieb Caronna:

Hallo Steffen

Kannst Du bitte nochmal genau schreiben welche version Du verwendest und
ob Du vielleicht ssl (https) manuell für die Verbindungen eingetragen hast.


6899, war davor aber auch,  die Macke hat auf einmal angefangen, konnte 
keinen Grund finden 8also nichts gewechselt, kein update...)








Hast Du eventuell einen Hacken in einer Checkbox in den
OAuth-Einstellungen entfernt und benutzt jetzt Dein Token nur temporär ?

Haken ist immer da...


Im Moment störts mich nicht mehr, halt n paar Augenblicke mehr arbeit

Grüße aus der Eifel
Steffen


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[Talk-de] Reihenhäuser / 3D-Tagging // Re: 1000 Hausnummern

2014-03-08 Thread Ralf GESELLENSETTER
Hallo Chris,

Am 14.12.2013 10:17, schrieb chris66:
 Am 13.12.2013 14:23, schrieb Ralf Gesellensetter:
 
  Wenn die Reihenhäuser bisher als einzelnes Polygon erfasst sind,
  sollte man dann d.E. diese Polygone aufteilen? 

 Ist Stand der Dinge und geht mit dem Terracer-Plugin in JOSM
 in weniger Sekunden.

Danke für den Hinweis.

Das Thema ist jetzt noch einmal in anderem Zusammenhang aktuell:

Wenn Reihenhäuser bzw. Mehrfamilienhäuser mit mehreren Eingängen
derzeit in Abschnitte zerlegt sind, gibt es ein Problem beim
3-D-Tagging, wenn es sich z.B. um ein Walmdach handelt.

Damit dieses korrekt gezeichnet wird, müsste man die Teilabschnitte
als Gebäudeteile einer Relation zufügen, wenn ich es richtig
verstanden habe.

Oder aber man taggt die mittigen Häuser als gabled (Giebeldach)
und müsste die Endhäuser als semi-hipped taggen und hoffen,
dass diese Dachform irgendwann auch gerendert wird.

 
... /\
Nr. 123456

vgl. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_Buildings

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Re: [Talk-de] Reihenhäuser / 3D-Tagging // Re: 1000 Hausnummern

2014-03-08 Thread Michael Reichert
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Hallo,

Am 08.03.2014 20:19, schrieb Ralf GESELLENSETTER:
 Hallo Chris,
 
 Am 14.12.2013 10:17, schrieb chris66:
 Am 13.12.2013 14:23, schrieb Ralf Gesellensetter:
 
 Wenn die Reihenhäuser bisher als einzelnes Polygon erfasst
 sind, sollte man dann d.E. diese Polygone aufteilen?
 
 Ist Stand der Dinge und geht mit dem Terracer-Plugin in JOSM in
 weniger Sekunden.
 
 Danke für den Hinweis.
 
 Das Thema ist jetzt noch einmal in anderem Zusammenhang aktuell:
 
 Wenn Reihenhäuser bzw. Mehrfamilienhäuser mit mehreren Eingängen 
 derzeit in Abschnitte zerlegt sind, gibt es ein Problem beim 
 3-D-Tagging, wenn es sich z.B. um ein Walmdach handelt.
 
 Damit dieses korrekt gezeichnet wird, müsste man die
 Teilabschnitte als Gebäudeteile einer Relation zufügen, wenn ich es
 richtig verstanden habe.
 
 Oder aber man taggt die mittigen Häuser als gabled (Giebeldach) 
 und müsste die Endhäuser als semi-hipped taggen und hoffen, dass
 diese Dachform irgendwann auch gerendert wird.
 
  ... /\ Nr. 123456
 
 vgl. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_Buildings

Vorschlag:

Alternative 1:
Ein Polygon zeichnen, das alle Gebäude umfasst (also ein ungeteiltes
Reihenhaus) und das mit building=*, roof:shape=hipped und weiteren
3D-Tags taggen. Die einzelnen Hausteile dann je nach Vorliebe entweder
als Node mit addr:*-Tags oder als Polygon mit building:part=*,
addr:*=*. Dieses Polygon teilt sich dann die Nodes mit dem großen
Gebäudegrundriss.

Alternative 2:
Jedes Einzelhaus als Polygon mit building=*, addr:*=* eintragen. Die
Polygone teilen sich die Nodes. Um alles herum (die Nodes der
Einzelhäuser mitbenutzend) zeichnet man ein Polygon mit
building:part=*, roof:shape=hipped und weiteren 3D-Tags.

Ich würde Alternative 1 bevorzugen, da part im Englischen ja Teil
heißt. Alternative 2 ist nämlich ein arge Mapping für den Renderer.

Viele Grüße

Michael

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Re: [Talk-de] Reihenhäuser / 3D-Tagging // Re: 1000 Hausnummern

2014-03-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


 Am 08/mar/2014 um 20:19 schrieb Ralf GESELLENSETTER r...@gmx.de:
 
 Oder aber man taggt die mittigen Häuser als gabled (Giebeldach)
 und müsste die Endhäuser als semi-hipped taggen und hoffen,
 dass diese Dachform irgendwann auch gerendert wird.


+1, reihenhäuser würde ich als aneinanderhängende Einzelhäuser mappen

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-de] Reihenhäuser / 3D-Tagging // Re: 1000 Hausnummern

2014-03-08 Thread Ralf GESELLENSETTER
Am 08.03.2014 21:10, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
 +1, reihenhäuser würde ich als aneinanderhängende Einzelhäuser mappen

In diesem Schema gibt es sogar side_hipped (Typ 2.2):
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:OSM-4D/Roof_table

Vielleicht könnte es Sinn machen, für jede Siedlung eine
Default-Definition für das Aussehen der Häuser festzulegen.
Oder man greift wie oben angegeben auf einen Code zurück,
mit dem die gängigsten Hausarten schnell beschrieben werden können.

Und schließlich: 3D-Tagging ist Tagging NUR für den Renderer, oder?

Gruß
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Re: [Talk-de] Reihenhäuser / 3D-Tagging // Re: 1000 Hausnummern

2014-03-08 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 9. März 2014 00:18 schrieb Ralf GESELLENSETTER r...@gmx.de:

 Und schließlich: 3D-Tagging ist Tagging NUR für den Renderer, oder?


Habe ich hier Ironie übersehen? Bei dir mag die Erde eine Scheibe
sein. Bei mir in der Gegend stehen auf der Scheibe immerhin noch
dreidimensionale Gebäude. Wieso sollen Tags, die versuchen die
dreidimensionale Wirklichkeit abzubilden, tagging für den Renderer
sein?

Gruß Falk

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Re: [Talk-it] bikemap

2014-03-08 Thread alessandro zardo
Vorrei segnalare che le bikemap non sono molto aggiornate, a mio avviso 
risalgono a quasi un anno fa. Almeno nella mia zona dove ho fatto modifiche.



Il Sabato 8 Marzo 2014 3:04, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 
La loro mappa non è grandiosa per la bici. In particolare non fanno vedere 
piste e corsie ciclabili e non fanno routing per bici. Gli avevo scritto tempo 
fa e mi hanno risposto che faranno entrambe le cose in futuro.
Hanno una feature un po' nascosta: la stampa di un road book da un GPX caricato 
sul loro sito (attenzione la stampa bella lo produce solo quando fai log-in sul 
sito).
Parlando di bikemap e e stampa di road book: Naviki.org non solo ha il routing 
per bici più rapido (nel senso quanto tempo ci mette per aver un risultato 
anche a lunga distanza - uno-due secondi Venezia-Amsterdam, per esempio), ma 
offrono anche loro la stampa di una traccia come road book.




On 7 March 2014 14:43, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote:

questo non me lo ricordavo:

http://www.bikemap.net/en/?tab=top#/z14/45.17701,9.16255/terrain

bici mappa

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[Talk-it] Elenco Ufficiale Aree EUAP

2014-03-08 Thread Guido Salemme
su pcn ministero dell'ambiente è presente l'elenco ufficiale delle aree 
protette

http://www.pcn.minambiente.it/geoportal/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid={3D638190-5780-4D8C-B5DE-C2AC50AB4FD2}

e vorrei ricalcare nelle mie zone le aree protette

la licenza è crative commons  by-sa almeno penso
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/it

posso usarli? se si, immagino che devo mettere un riferimento da qualche 
parte ?


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Re: [Talk-it] Elenco Ufficiale Aree EUAP

2014-03-08 Thread Andrea Musuruane
2014-03-08 17:00 GMT+01:00 Guido Salemme osm.l...@gmail.com:

 su pcn ministero dell'ambiente è presente l'elenco ufficiale delle aree
 protette
 http://www.pcn.minambiente.it/geoportal/catalog/search/
 resource/details.page?uuid={3D638190-5780-4D8C-B5DE-C2AC50AB4FD2}

 e vorrei ricalcare nelle mie zone le aree protette

 la licenza è crative commons  by-sa almeno penso
 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/it

 posso usarli? se si, immagino che devo mettere un riferimento da qualche
 parte ?


No, non puoi. La CC-BY-SA non è compatibile con la ODbL.

Ciao,

Andrea.
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Re: [Talk-it] Elenco Ufficiale Aree EUAP

2014-03-08 Thread Guido Salemme

immaginavo :-(

però sarebbe bello fare pressioni su qualcuno per renderli compatibili

visto che in precedenza si è fatto con le ortofoto


Il 08/03/2014 17:07, Andrea Musuruane ha scritto:
2014-03-08 17:00 GMT+01:00 Guido Salemme osm.l...@gmail.com 
mailto:osm.l...@gmail.com:


su pcn ministero dell'ambiente è presente l'elenco ufficiale delle
aree protette

http://www.pcn.minambiente.it/geoportal/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid={3D638190-5780-4D8C-B5DE-C2AC50AB4FD2}

http://www.pcn.minambiente.it/geoportal/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B3D638190-5780-4D8C-B5DE-C2AC50AB4FD2%7D

e vorrei ricalcare nelle mie zone le aree protette

la licenza è crative commons  by-sa almeno penso
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/it

posso usarli? se si, immagino che devo mettere un riferimento da
qualche parte ?


No, non puoi. La CC-BY-SA non è compatibile con la ODbL.

Ciao,

Andrea.



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[Talk-ar] Fwd: [Talk-es] Para los que no crean que los rusos son una especie aparte

2014-03-08 Thread Fabian Alejandro
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From: Ander Pijoan
Date: 2014-02-14 5:00 GMT-03:00
Subject: [Talk-es] Para los que no crean que los rusos son una especie aparte
To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap talk...@openstreetmap.org


Aprendiendo cómo la gente usa los tags para 3D me he encontrado con esto :

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/55.75245/37.62313

Lo que se traduce en esto :

http://map.f4-group.com/#lat=55.7525943lon=37.6228904zoom=19camera.theta=44.14camera.phi=106.857

Y ya el valiente que quiera, que pruebe a abrirla en JOSM.

Feliz viernes.

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University of Deusto

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Re: [Talk-ar] Fwd: [Talk-es] Para los que no crean que los rusos son una especie aparte

2014-03-08 Thread Fernando Toledo
El 08/03/14 13:17, Fabian Alejandro escribió:
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 From: Ander Pijoan
 Date: 2014-02-14 5:00 GMT-03:00
 Subject: [Talk-es] Para los que no crean que los rusos son una especie aparte
 To: Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap talk...@openstreetmap.org
 
 
 Aprendiendo cómo la gente usa los tags para 3D me he encontrado con esto :
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/55.75245/37.62313
 
 Lo que se traduce en esto :
 
 http://map.f4-group.com/#lat=55.7525943lon=37.6228904zoom=19camera.theta=44.14camera.phi=106.857
 
 Y ya el valiente que quiera, que pruebe a abrirla en JOSM.
 
 Feliz viernes.
 
genial!

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Re: [Talk-at] Micromapping Parkplätze

2014-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephan Bösch-Plepelits wrote:
 Ist Euch das schon aufgefallen?
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/48.19672/16.32899
 
 Hier der betreffende Ausschnitt als Screenshot:
 http://xover.mud.at/~skunk/tmp/20140307-osm-parkplaetze.png

(Es geht da um die Gegend rund um Schweglerstraße U3 in Wien 15.)

Ja, siehe:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-at/2014-February/006437.html

Aber nach der teils sehr negativen Reaktion auf mein Aufräumen anderswo:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-at/2014-February/006496.html
habe ich mich an diesen Megasaustall nicht herangewagt, da gibt es ja noch 
viel mehr zu löschen.

Das Micromapping in der Gegend ist in dem Fall für ALLE Zwecke ungeeignet:
* Rendering, das jetzt (zumindest in Mapnik) mit P vollgespamt ist,
* Routing, weil die footway-Gehsteige nicht ausreichend verbunden sind,
* Semantik, weil landuse=residential total mißbraucht ist.

Auch der Bereich unmittelbar westlich (16°19'17,9O, 48°11'39,9N, durch 
eine Baustelle und 2 nicht-microgemappte Häuserblocks vom anderen Bereich 
abgetrennt) ist betroffen.

Das Parkplatz-Micromapping gibt es auch noch in anderen Bereichen in der 
Nähe, erkennbar an den verräterischen P-Icons in Mapnik:
* Wien 14 um 16°18'35,4O, 48°11'48,4N (zwischen Breitensee S45 und 
Märzstraße Straßenbahn 10),
* Wien 14/15 von 16°18'46,7O, 48°12'09,5N (nördlich Hütteldorfer Straße 
U3) bis 16°19'16,0O, 48°11'59,8N (nördlich Johnstraße U3),
* Wien 16 bei 16°19'14,0O, 48°12'23,8N (Brüßlgasse Ecke Gablenzgasse, bei 
Brüßlgasse 48A, nur 1 Parkplatz),
* Wien 16 um 16°19'43,1O, 48°12'26,6N (nahe Camillo-Sitte-Gasse 
Straßenbahn 9).

Kevin Kofler


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Re: [Talk-at] Micromapping Parkplätze

2014-03-08 Thread Robert Kaiser

Kevin Kofler schrieb:

Das Micromapping in der Gegend ist in dem Fall für ALLE Zwecke ungeeignet:


Nicht für alle, auf dem höchsten Zoom-Level von Mapnik sieht es ganz 
nett aus. Und ich denke, danach ist der Benutzer wohl gegangen.


Für Rendering mit anderen Randeren oder Zoomstufen, Routing oder 
Datenbankstruktur ist es natürlich Blödsinn.


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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Cadastral Information from Chief Surveyor

2014-03-08 Thread Gerhardus Geldenhuis
Hi mtb,
We already have the data for the whole of South Africa. It is not of
consistent quality and we were looking at importing it at some stage.

I am sure Grant will chip in some more details.

Regards


On 8 March 2014 20:32, m...@martinb.za.net wrote:

 Hi all,

 So, the other day I needed to get an SG drawing from my local
 municipality. The borough suggested that I try looking at the chief
 surveyor's website.

 And that is where I found this:

 http://csgmapguide.ruraldevelopment.gov.za/mapguide2011/mapviewerjava/
 ajaxviewer.jsp?WEBLAYOUT=Library%3a%2f%2fSouth+Africa+-
 +Geospatial%2fmap%2fSouth+Africa+Cadastral+Set.WebLayoutLOCALE=en

 Would this be useful data to try and get into OSM? I am happy to approach
 them, unless someone else feels like taking the lead. I see that they want
 to charge for the data though, so not sure how receptive they would be.
 Having farm boundaries could potentially be useful. Certainly having urban
 erven is a major attraction for me.

 Has anyone approached them in the past?

 mtb

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Re: [Talk-cat] 1a trobada de mappers catalans: Gualba, 5 d'abril

2014-03-08 Thread Konfrare Albert
Hola a tots,

No he dit res més perquè esperava una resposta del regidor. Ahir vaig
trucar a l'Ajuntament i no els havia arribat el correu, o sigui que vaig
tornar a enviar-los-el.
Aquesta vegada va arribar segur :)
Espero tenir una resposta durant la propera setmana.
Vaig per les respostes:

@Yopaseopor Model #konfraria? Bona aquesta ;)

@Eloi L'ordre del dia no està definit. M'agradaria primer parlar amb el
regidor per saber si tenim disponibilitat d'espais i veure si tenen interès
en fer quelcom obert i llavors entre tots podem elaborar l'ordre del dia a
través de la wiki

Per cert, mireu Can Sanmartí:
https://maps.google.es/?ll=41.729698,2.505852spn=0.000537,0.000862t=hz=20layer=ccbll=41.729736,2.505533panoid=QW_XQhmMN8wXpudUSpNxlAcbp=12,285.62,,0,-1.58

Ho he afegit a OpenStreetMap, com també el restaurant Can Florenci:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/41.73093/2.50268

Salut!


El dia 3 març de 2014 17.32, Eloi . balu...@hotmail.com ha escrit:

  Hola a tots. Jo no vaig votar pr miraré d venir per poc q pugui. Kina
 serà l'ordre del dia?
 ElOi
 Enviado desde mi smartphone Orange

 yo paseopor yopaseo...@gmail.com ha escrit:

  Exportant el model #konfraria arreu de Catalunya , isn't it? ;)

  Good job
 yopaseopor


 2014-03-03 15:30 GMT+01:00 Jaume Figueras i Jové jaume.figue...@upc.edu:

 Fantàstic!!

 Gràcies per la feina Albert!


 On 03/03/14 14:56, Konfrare Albert wrote:

 Hola a tots!

 Bé, després de gairebé un mes perquè tothom hi pugués dir la seva,
 finalment entre tots hem optat per:

  *- Dissabte 5 d'abril
 *
 *- Gualba*


 He fet una trucada a l'Ajuntament per conèixer el terreny. Disposen
 d'una casa rehabilitada d'ús social per a les entitats del poble, es diu
 Can Sanmartí, n'he cercat referències per internet però no n'he trobat
 cap amb prou informació. Pel que m'han explicat sembla una espècie
 d'hotel d'entitats i a les golfes hi ha una sala amb capacitat per 20-30
 persones, paret per poder utilitzar-hi un projector, i xarxa Wi-Fi.
 Caldria parlar-ne amb el regidor.

 També he investigat el tema del tiberi. Hi ha un bar-restaurant anomenat
 Can Florenci[1] que sembla que és l'únic on podríem fer un esmorzar de
 forquilla i ganivet -i fan brasa!- dins del poble (les altres opcions
 són masies a les afores).

 Com bé s'apuntava en algun fil, des de l'estació de Renfe hi ha una hora
 caminant[2], però els que hi anem en cotxe podem recollir gent allà.

 A partir de demà, miraré de passar tota la informació de la wiki
 referent a la trobada[3] a la pàgina de discussió[4] d'aquesta pàgina i
 començaré a anotar coses de cara a concretar el que farem.

 També miraré de parlar amb el regidor de Cultura per parlar de la
 possibilitat d'utilitzar Can Sanmartí, i veure si els interessa alguna
 xerrada oberta, o quelcom similar.

 Salut!

 [1]
 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=passeig+del+montseny+60,+
 gualbahl=call=41.732582,2.502367spn=0.001075,0.001725
 sll=41.730242,2.504717sspn=0.00215,0.003449hnear=Passeig+
 del+Montseny,+Gualba,+Barcelona,+Espanyat=mz=19layer=ccbll=41.73268,2.
 502395panoid=HRQeGDLacUdmXE2AbXTk0gcbp=12,178.76,,0,7.29
 [2] http://www.gualba.net/fitxer/2407/SKMBT_C35311041913310.pdf
 [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Trobades
 [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Catalan/Trobades
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Re: [Talk-cat] 1a trobada de mappers catalans: Gualba, 5 d'abril

2014-03-08 Thread Carlos Sánchez
També s'hauria de veure si tenen informacio digitalitzada de Gualba i
disponible per a publicació lliure. Tema cadastre, edificis, contenidors,...
Den 8 mar 2014 12:35 skrev Konfrare Albert lakonfrariadelav...@gmail.com
:

 Hola a tots,

 No he dit res més perquè esperava una resposta del regidor. Ahir vaig
 trucar a l'Ajuntament i no els havia arribat el correu, o sigui que vaig
 tornar a enviar-los-el.
 Aquesta vegada va arribar segur :)
 Espero tenir una resposta durant la propera setmana.
 Vaig per les respostes:

 @Yopaseopor Model #konfraria? Bona aquesta ;)

 @Eloi L'ordre del dia no està definit. M'agradaria primer parlar amb el
 regidor per saber si tenim disponibilitat d'espais i veure si tenen interès
 en fer quelcom obert i llavors entre tots podem elaborar l'ordre del dia a
 través de la wiki

 Per cert, mireu Can Sanmartí:
 https://maps.google.es/?ll=41.729698,2.505852spn=0.000537,0.000862t=hz=20layer=ccbll=41.729736,2.505533panoid=QW_XQhmMN8wXpudUSpNxlAcbp=12,285.62,,0,-1.58

 Ho he afegit a OpenStreetMap, com també el restaurant Can Florenci:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/41.73093/2.50268

 Salut!


 El dia 3 març de 2014 17.32, Eloi . balu...@hotmail.com ha escrit:

  Hola a tots. Jo no vaig votar pr miraré d venir per poc q pugui. Kina
 serà l'ordre del dia?
 ElOi
 Enviado desde mi smartphone Orange

 yo paseopor yopaseo...@gmail.com ha escrit:

  Exportant el model #konfraria arreu de Catalunya , isn't it? ;)

  Good job
 yopaseopor


 2014-03-03 15:30 GMT+01:00 Jaume Figueras i Jové jaume.figue...@upc.edu
 :

 Fantàstic!!

 Gràcies per la feina Albert!


 On 03/03/14 14:56, Konfrare Albert wrote:

 Hola a tots!

 Bé, després de gairebé un mes perquè tothom hi pugués dir la seva,
 finalment entre tots hem optat per:

  *- Dissabte 5 d'abril
 *
 *- Gualba*


 He fet una trucada a l'Ajuntament per conèixer el terreny. Disposen
 d'una casa rehabilitada d'ús social per a les entitats del poble, es diu
 Can Sanmartí, n'he cercat referències per internet però no n'he trobat
 cap amb prou informació. Pel que m'han explicat sembla una espècie
 d'hotel d'entitats i a les golfes hi ha una sala amb capacitat per 20-30
 persones, paret per poder utilitzar-hi un projector, i xarxa Wi-Fi.
 Caldria parlar-ne amb el regidor.

 També he investigat el tema del tiberi. Hi ha un bar-restaurant anomenat
 Can Florenci[1] que sembla que és l'únic on podríem fer un esmorzar de
 forquilla i ganivet -i fan brasa!- dins del poble (les altres opcions
 són masies a les afores).

 Com bé s'apuntava en algun fil, des de l'estació de Renfe hi ha una hora
 caminant[2], però els que hi anem en cotxe podem recollir gent allà.

 A partir de demà, miraré de passar tota la informació de la wiki
 referent a la trobada[3] a la pàgina de discussió[4] d'aquesta pàgina i
 començaré a anotar coses de cara a concretar el que farem.

 També miraré de parlar amb el regidor de Cultura per parlar de la
 possibilitat d'utilitzar Can Sanmartí, i veure si els interessa alguna
 xerrada oberta, o quelcom similar.

 Salut!

 [1]
 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=passeig+del+montseny+60,+
 gualbahl=call=41.732582,2.502367spn=0.001075,0.001725
 sll=41.730242,2.504717sspn=0.00215,0.003449hnear=Passeig+
 del+Montseny,+Gualba,+Barcelona,+Espanyat=mz=19
 layer=ccbll=41.73268,2.502395panoid=HRQeGDLacUdmXE2AbXTk0gcbp=12,
 178.76,,0,7.29
 [2] http://www.gualba.net/fitxer/2407/SKMBT_C35311041913310.pdf
 [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Catalan/Trobades
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[Talk-lv] crowdsourced streetview

2014-03-08 Thread Rich
http://www.mapillary.com

crowdsourced streetview - var uploadot bildes. buus jaapaspeeleejas :)
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Re: [Talk-cz] Stav OTM Was: Re: značkový klíč, castle_type, wayside_shrine

2014-03-08 Thread Petr Vejsada
Ahoj,

kdysi jsem si stáhl ze svn na doméně no-ip.org xml styly pro Mapnik a z těch 
vychází vlastně ta moje mapa. Bylo to pro Mapnik 0.7 nebo 2.0, fakt už nevím, 
jen si pamatuji, že jsem je musel dost zdlouhavě upravovat, aby fungovaly s 
tehdy aktuální verzí Mapniku.

Nakolik jsou aktualizovaná data opentrackmap.cz netuším, ale tuším, proč tam 
chybí trasy. Řešil jsem to před několika málo měsíci. Souvisí to s rozmachem 
užívání relací. Vykreslování tras je totiž udělané IMO velmi pěkně - pokud 
vede více barev současně, vykresluje se trasa s barvami na střídačku. U relací 
je to problém. Mapnik sám o sobě s relacemi pracovat neumí (předzpracovává mu 
to osm2pgsql). Umí jen to, co se mu napíše do selectu. Jistě by se dal napsat 
select, který relace zahrne a pak vykreslování dlaždice bude trvat pár minut. 
Vyřešil jsem to samostatnou tabulkou cz_kct, která je předzpracovaná ze 
stávajících dat Mapniku. Trasy pak vykresluji z cz_kct, nikoli z cz_line.

Další problém je, že mohou společně vést cesty například typu peak a local. 
Šlo by to do Mapniku nadefinovat, ovšem spočítej si, kolik by to bylo permutací 
;-). Mohlo by se to kreslit tak, že by jeden znak byl pro peak a druhý znak 
pro local, ale mohou být i 3 - prostě stovky až tisíce řádků xml. Tak jsem 
pořešil tak, že se v těchto případech vybere z mého subjektivního pohledu 
nejdůležitější přívlastek k cestě - nalezneš v tabulce osmtables.kctmax a 
agregační funkce v Postgresql:

   90 | wheelchair
   80 | peak
   70 | spring
   60 | ruin
   50 | interesting_object
   40 | horse
   30 | ski
   20 | learning
   10 | local

Čím vyšší prio, tím větší má přednost, takže wheelchair mám za nejdůležitější 
a vykreslují se invalidní vozíky a nikoli koňské kruhy v případě souběhu tras.

Pokud má někdo nápad, jak to vykreslit najednou a se správnými barvami, tak 
moc vítám :-).

Co se týká ikon, tak se trochu bojím, kdy vyletí KČT (hojně dotovaný z našich 
daní) a začne ječet, že všechny značky jsou jeho duševním vlastnictvím (tedy 
vlastnictvím daňových poplatníků, že ...). Momentálně nemám značky úplně 
sjednocené. Něco je z toho svn, něco jsem teď hojně přidával z oficiální sady 
ikon OSM.

Navíc mám teď celou mapu a DB v takovém mezistavu kvůli importu adres - jsou 
tam udělané testovací importy z RUIAN a data jsou z října 2013 - aktuální 
verzi začnu nahrávat začátkem příštího týdne. Paralelně s tím pracuji na 
vylepšování renderování - soustředím se na velké zoomy a podrobnosti. Tak mám 
zase na víkend co dělat ;-).

Vývojová verze je na http://pedro.poloha.net/mapa - liší se od produkční 
verze až od zoomu 16; do 15 včetně má společné dlaždice. Třeba se mi tam 
vykreslují ikony pro školy, ale už se mi nerenderuje název té školy, no to je 
ta práce na víkend :-)

Dne So 8. března 2014 00:03:04, Marián Kyral napsal(a):

 BTW, když už jsme u toho. Jaký je vlastně stav OTM? Všiml jsem si, že je
 tam výrazně méně tras než na mtbmap.cz
 
 Například Beskydy, okolí Frýdlantu nad Ostravicí:
 
 http://www.mtbmap.cz/#zoom=12lat=49.5877lon=18.3557
 http://opentrackmap.cz/?zoom=12lat=6375487.45685lon=2037379.38101layers=B
 0TTFF
 
 Probíhá tam aktualizace? Bohužel nikde žádný link na někoho, kdo by se o
 to staral.
 
 Marián
 
 Dne 24.2.2014 13:06, Karel Volný napsal(a):
  zdar,
  
  Jen jsem si nikdy nebil jist, jaky status tato stranka ma, protoze rika,
  ze
  je to klic k OpenTrackMap.
  
  s tímto cílem jsem stránku zakládal - dostat tam značky, co se v
  turistických mapách používají, a k nim si doplnit jednak jak by měla ta
  značka vypadat, a jednak jak příslušnou věc tagovat tak, aby se to na OTM
  zobrazilo a zároveň to co nejlépe odpovídalo konvencím v OSM
  (tedy jakýsi výcuc z různých jiných stránek, které příslušné tagy řeší
  podrobněji)
  
  bohužel značnou část iniciální energie a času jsem si vypotřeboval na
  zlobení se s editory SVG, načež i poklesl i můj zájem o turistické
  mapování, neb na vandr, abych udělal nějaký terénní průzkum a neopisoval
  zakázané zdroje, se nyní dostanu s bídou dvakrát do roka ... takže při
  této příležitosti musím vyjádřit velké poděkování všem, co se toho
  posléze ujali a stránku nadále vylepšují
  
  Mam to brat tak, ze OTM klic, je tedy doporucovany klic pro mapovani CR
  do
  OSM?
  
  viz výše, neměl to být autoritativní zdroj, jen pomůcka ...
  
  Jestli jo, tak by to tam asi bylo fajne doplnit, aby to pripadne
  nematlo ostatni, jako me.
  
  ... ale pokud existuje všeobecná shoda, klidně to může sloužit jako
  závazné doporučení pro všechny
  
  Mam par napadu, co tam doplnit. Treba klice castle_type:de a
  castle_type:cs
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:castle_type:de
  ktere mi prijdou dost sikovne.
  
  toto by se především mělo dořešit na mezinárodní úrovni, poněvadž to
  přiřazení typů není pro české podmínky zrovna šťastné
  
  Take bych chtel nejak navrhnout, abychom tam dopsali nejakou znacku pro
  kaplicky = vyklenkove kaple.
  
  http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%BDklenkov%C3%A1_kaple
  

[OSM-talk-fr] frontend osmose hs

2014-03-08 Thread didier2020
depuis un petit moment l'acces a osmose renvoie l'erreur
Error: 500 Internal Server Error.

il fait beau ça tombe bien ;)


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[OSM-talk-fr] Importation des coordonnées géographiques du Groupe La Poste en Haute-Garonne et Ariège dans ma UMAP

2014-03-08 Thread Sabine Cariou
Bonjour,
je souhaite ajouter à ma UMAP les positions des bureaux du Groupe la Poste
en Haute-Garonne et en Ariège.
Pourriez-vous m'apporter votre aide?
Bien cordialement
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Importation des coordonnées géographiques du Groupe La Poste en Haute-Garonne et Ariège dans ma UMAP

2014-03-08 Thread Otourly Wiki
Requête pour récupérer les post office en Haute-Garonne :

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2IQ


Pour l'uMap il faut une requête dynamique ? 

Pour la procédure tu peux t'inspiré de ce qu'on a fait sur Lyon : 

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lyon/R%C3%A9union_14_janvier_2014#Cr.C3.A9ation_d.27une_carte_Umap_.28http:.2F.2Fumap.openstreetmap.fr.2F.29
 
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Le Samedi 8 mars 2014 14h19, Sabine Cariou sbncar...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
Bonjour,
je souhaite ajouter à ma UMAP les positions des bureaux du Groupe la Poste en 
Haute-Garonne et en Ariège.
Pourriez-vous m'apporter votre aide?
Bien cordialement
Sabine

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Importation des coordonnées géographiques du Groupe La Poste en Haute-Garonne et Ariège dans ma UMAP

2014-03-08 Thread Sabine Cariou
Merci infiniment pour cette extraction! je vais essayer de suivre la
procédure suivant le lien donné.
Merci beaucoup pour votre réactivité et votre efficacité!
Sab


Le 8 mars 2014 14:27, Otourly Wiki otou...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

 Requête pour récupérer les post office en Haute-Garonne :

 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2IQ

 Pour l'uMap il faut une requête dynamique ?
 Pour la procédure tu peux t'inspiré de ce qu'on a fait sur Lyon :

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lyon/R%C3%A9union_14_janvier_2014#Cr.C3.A9ation_d.27une_carte_Umap_.28http:.2F.2Fumap.openstreetmap.fr.2F.29

 Florian Farge aka Otourly
 Sur les projets wikimédienshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Otourlyet 
 l'Association
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 OSMhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Otourly
 Socio di Wikimedia Italiahttp://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Pagina_principale


   Le Samedi 8 mars 2014 14h19, Sabine Cariou sbncar...@gmail.com a
 écrit :
  Bonjour,
 je souhaite ajouter à ma UMAP les positions des bureaux du Groupe la Poste
 en Haute-Garonne et en Ariège.
 Pourriez-vous m'apporter votre aide?
 Bien cordialement
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] frontend osmose hs

2014-03-08 Thread Frédéric Rodrigo

Le 08/03/2014 13:59, didier2020 a écrit :

depuis un petit moment l'acces a osmose renvoie l'erreur
Error: 500 Internal Server Error.

il fait beau ça tombe bien ;)


Je n'ai pas main pour voir d'où vient le problème. Mais si jamais le 
temps change il reste reste une roue de secourt :

http://beta.osmose.openstreetmap.fr
Quasiment le même avec quelques bugs en plus.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] frontend osmose hs

2014-03-08 Thread Sabine Cariou
Merci Frédéric mais j'avoue ne pas arriver à comprendre le fonctionnement.
Je ne suis pas une pro de l'informatique...


Le 8 mars 2014 14:56, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Le 08/03/2014 13:59, didier2020 a écrit :

 depuis un petit moment l'acces a osmose renvoie l'erreur
 Error: 500 Internal Server Error.

 il fait beau ça tombe bien ;)


 Je n'ai pas main pour voir d'où vient le problème. Mais si jamais le temps
 change il reste reste une roue de secourt :
 http://beta.osmose.openstreetmap.fr
 Quasiment le même avec quelques bugs en plus.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Importation des coordonnées géographiques du Groupe La Poste en Haute-Garonne et Ariège dans ma UMAP

2014-03-08 Thread Sabine Cariou
Je reviens vers toi car malgré le suivi de la procédure je n'arrive pas à
obtenir les résultats souhaités. Rien ne s'affiche sur ma umap
pourrais-tu m'aider encore une fois?
Sab


Le 8 mars 2014 14:45, Sabine Cariou sbncar...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Merci infiniment pour cette extraction! je vais essayer de suivre la
 procédure suivant le lien donné.
 Merci beaucoup pour votre réactivité et votre efficacité!
 Sab


 Le 8 mars 2014 14:27, Otourly Wiki otou...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

 Requête pour récupérer les post office en Haute-Garonne :

 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2IQ

 Pour l'uMap il faut une requête dynamique ?
 Pour la procédure tu peux t'inspiré de ce qu'on a fait sur Lyon :

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lyon/R%C3%A9union_14_janvier_2014#Cr.C3.A9ation_d.27une_carte_Umap_.28http:.2F.2Fumap.openstreetmap.fr.2F.29

 Florian Farge aka Otourly
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 wikimédienshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Otourlyet l'Association
 française http://www.wikimedia.fr/index.php/Accueil, et sur 
 OSMhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Otourly
 Socio di Wikimedia 
 Italiahttp://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Pagina_principale


   Le Samedi 8 mars 2014 14h19, Sabine Cariou sbncar...@gmail.com a
 écrit :
  Bonjour,
 je souhaite ajouter à ma UMAP les positions des bureaux du Groupe la
 Poste en Haute-Garonne et en Ariège.
 Pourriez-vous m'apporter votre aide?
 Bien cordialement
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Importation des coordonnées géographiques du Groupe La Poste en Haute-Garonne et Ariège dans ma UMAP

2014-03-08 Thread Sabine Cariou
J'ai réussi à intégrer les données dans une couche GeoJson mais comment
puis-je savoir si les données sont complètes, exhaustives concernant les
bureaux de poste dans les deux départements concernés?



Le 8 mars 2014 15:27, Sabine Cariou sbncar...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Je reviens vers toi car malgré le suivi de la procédure je n'arrive pas à
 obtenir les résultats souhaités. Rien ne s'affiche sur ma umap
 pourrais-tu m'aider encore une fois?
 Sab


 Le 8 mars 2014 14:45, Sabine Cariou sbncar...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Merci infiniment pour cette extraction! je vais essayer de suivre la
 procédure suivant le lien donné.
 Merci beaucoup pour votre réactivité et votre efficacité!
 Sab


 Le 8 mars 2014 14:27, Otourly Wiki otou...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

 Requête pour récupérer les post office en Haute-Garonne :

 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2IQ

 Pour l'uMap il faut une requête dynamique ?
 Pour la procédure tu peux t'inspiré de ce qu'on a fait sur Lyon :

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lyon/R%C3%A9union_14_janvier_2014#Cr.C3.A9ation_d.27une_carte_Umap_.28http:.2F.2Fumap.openstreetmap.fr.2F.29

 Florian Farge aka Otourly
 Sur les projets 
 wikimédienshttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Otourlyet l'Association
 française http://www.wikimedia.fr/index.php/Accueil, et sur 
 OSMhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Otourly
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   Le Samedi 8 mars 2014 14h19, Sabine Cariou sbncar...@gmail.com a
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  Bonjour,
 je souhaite ajouter à ma UMAP les positions des bureaux du Groupe la
 Poste en Haute-Garonne et en Ariège.
 Pourriez-vous m'apporter votre aide?
 Bien cordialement
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Importation des coordonnées géographiques du Groupe La Poste en Haute-Garonne et Ariège dans ma UMAP

2014-03-08 Thread Frédéric Rodrigo

La réponse est simple, tu ne peux pas savoir.

Mais surtout je peux te dire que sur ces départements qu'il en maque :
beta.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=9lat=43.317lon=1.293item=8020level=1%2C2%2C3

Cette page liste les postes du référentiel de La Poste non retrouvé dans 
OSM.


Le 08/03/2014 15:56, Sabine Cariou a écrit :

J'ai réussi à intégrer les données dans une couche GeoJson mais comment
puis-je savoir si les données sont complètes, exhaustives concernant les
bureaux de poste dans les deux départements concernés?



Le 8 mars 2014 15:27, Sabine Cariou sbncar...@gmail.com
mailto:sbncar...@gmail.com a écrit :

Je reviens vers toi car malgré le suivi de la procédure je n'arrive
pas à obtenir les résultats souhaités. Rien ne s'affiche sur ma umap
pourrais-tu m'aider encore une fois?
Sab


Le 8 mars 2014 14:45, Sabine Cariou sbncar...@gmail.com
mailto:sbncar...@gmail.com a écrit :

Merci infiniment pour cette extraction! je vais essayer de
suivre la procédure suivant le lien donné.
Merci beaucoup pour votre réactivité et votre efficacité!
Sab


Le 8 mars 2014 14:27, Otourly Wiki otou...@yahoo.fr
mailto:otou...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

Requête pour récupérer les post office en Haute-Garonne :

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2IQ

Pour l'uMap il faut une requête dynamique ?
Pour la procédure tu peux t'inspiré de ce qu'on a fait sur
Lyon :

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lyon/R%C3%A9union_14_janvier_2014#Cr.C3.A9ation_d.27une_carte_Umap_.28http:.2F.2Fumap.openstreetmap.fr.2F.29
Florian Farge aka Otourly
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Otourly et
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Le Samedi 8 mars 2014 14h19, Sabine Cariou
sbncar...@gmail.com mailto:sbncar...@gmail.com a écrit :
Bonjour,
je souhaite ajouter à ma UMAP les positions des bureaux du
Groupe la Poste en Haute-Garonne et en Ariège.
Pourriez-vous m'apporter votre aide?
Bien cordialement
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Connaissance de Maperitive

2014-03-08 Thread JB

Bonjour Dominique,
Le forum autour de Maperitive donne habituellement des réponses si 
quelques règles (non officielles ni indiquées) sont respectées, 
notamment de poser peu de questions bien formulées. Comme ce forum est 
assez peu fréquenté, devoir répondre à beaucoup d'interrogations 
n'encourage pas grand monde. Tu n'as pas eu de chances, une autre 
personne en a ajouté plusieurs au même moment que toi. Pour les réponses :
- Si les deux voies représentent par exemple les deux sens de 
circulation d'une rue, il n'y a pas de réponse toute faite (ni pour 
Maperitive, ni pour Tilemill − j'ai bien dit toute faite). Tu vas devoir 
trifouiller le fichier OSM avec JOSM en local (ne pas envoyer les 
modifications à la base OSM) pour ajouter un tag discriminant permettant 
de ne pas afficher un des noms de la rue. Oui, c'est du bricolage, mais 
c'est aussi une des forces de Maperitive de travailler sur de la donnée 
osm directement.
- Non. Tu vas devoir aller voir du coté de Maposmatic pour ça, ou 
programmer par toi-même.

JB.

Le 07/03/2014 23:02, Dominique Lachgar a écrit :

Bonjour,

J'utilise actuellement Maperitive pour faire une carte des équipements 
cyclables d'Angoulême.

J'ai un peu de mal avec certains détails.
J'ai posé des questions sur le forum Maperitive mais avec mon anglais 
approximatif j'ai un peu de mal avec la réponse.


Quelqu'un pourrait-il répondre à ces questions de néophyte ?
-Quand on a une rue avec deux voies, comment ne faire apparaitre qu'un 
des deux noms voire aucun puisqu'il est souvent dans un autre tronçon ?
-peut-on extraire tous les noms de rues de la zone utilisée pour 
éditer une carte (avec leur référence de quadrillage) ?


Merci d'avance
Dominique Lachgar

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[OSM-ja] 城の石垣跡のタグについて

2014-03-08 Thread Jun NOGATA
野方です。
タグ付けについての質問です。

姫路城の周りは、今は街中ですが、元は城の中ということで城の石垣跡が
残っていますが石垣のタグはどうつけたらいいでしょうか。

デカイので最初エリアで書いてたのですが、ちょっと違う気がしたのでWayで書
きなおして、barrier=retaining_wall、historic=citywallsというふうにタグ
付けして書きました。
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264918005

とFacebookの姫路グループで書いたところ「embankment:leftつけたほうがいい
んじゃない?」とか「historic=ruins?」とか話が出たので、MLでも聞いてみた
いと思いました。

イメージとしたらこんな感じです。

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86265332
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86268393
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86268390

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muc2PWWDuzU

ということで、城の石垣跡は、どういうふうにタグづけするとよいでしょうか。

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[OSM-ja] 学校などの書き方について

2014-03-08 Thread Jun NOGATA
野方です。

最近のJOSMの妥当性検査で、amenity=schoolでタグ付けをしたエリアに
amenity=schoolのノードが入ってると
「amenity=schoolの中にamenity=schoolがある」と警告されるようになりました。

ほかにもノードとエリアがかぶっていると警告されるようですが、
警告をされないように書くためには、どう書くとよいでしょうか。

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Re: [OSM-ja] 学校などの書き方について

2014-03-08 Thread Shu Higashi
東です。

ひとつの地物にはタグはひとつ
が原則です。

学校であれば敷地全体にエリアでタグ付けするか
敷地全体が分らない場合は代表点にノードを置くか
いずれかひとつです。

2014/03/08 Jun NOGATA noga...@gmail.com:
 野方です。

 最近のJOSMの妥当性検査で、amenity=schoolでタグ付けをしたエリアに
 amenity=schoolのノードが入ってると
 「amenity=schoolの中にamenity=schoolがある」と警告されるようになりました。

 ほかにもノードとエリアがかぶっていると警告されるようですが、
 警告をされないように書くためには、どう書くとよいでしょうか。

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Re: [OSM-ja] 学校などの書き方について

2014-03-08 Thread Satoshi IIDA
いいだです。

理想論として言えば、1つの地物は1つの表現、なので、
NodeかAreaのどちらかにタグを寄せて、もう片方を削除します。

じゃぁ、その場合にNodeかAreaか、どちらを残すのかというのは
とても議論の分かれるところで、決めはない、という認識です。
僕も悩んでいます。

いちおうの指針として、こんなかんじのものがありました。
(こちらはAreaとして描いています)

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dschool
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Amenity_school_usage_example.svg


ただこれだと、例えば中高一貫(1つの敷地内に、異なるnameのオブジェクトが2つ存在する)のときに
どうするんだろうなー、というのがあり、
個人的には、shcoolはNodeとして描いて、対応するAreaとrelationで結合したほうがいいのでは?という考えも持っています。
(relation type=siteの定義が完璧に決まっているわけではないのと、
学校Areaをあらわすための landuse=*が無い、というのが辛いところです)





2014年3月8日 17:28 Jun NOGATA noga...@gmail.com:

 野方です。

 最近のJOSMの妥当性検査で、amenity=schoolでタグ付けをしたエリアに
 amenity=schoolのノードが入ってると
 「amenity=schoolの中にamenity=schoolがある」と警告されるようになりました。

 ほかにもノードとエリアがかぶっていると警告されるようですが、
 警告をされないように書くためには、どう書くとよいでしょうか。

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Re: [OSM-ja] 城の石垣跡のタグについて

2014-03-08 Thread Shu Higashi
東です。

答えはひとつではなさそうですね。
私なら以下のいずれかでタグ付けすると思います。

遺跡としての城壁として表現したい場合
historic=citywalls

城跡(の一部)として表現したい場合
historic=ruins
ruins=castle

2014/03/08 Jun NOGATA noga...@gmail.com:
 野方です。
 タグ付けについての質問です。

 姫路城の周りは、今は街中ですが、元は城の中ということで城の石垣跡が
 残っていますが石垣のタグはどうつけたらいいでしょうか。

 デカイので最初エリアで書いてたのですが、ちょっと違う気がしたのでWayで書
 きなおして、barrier=retaining_wall、historic=citywallsというふうにタグ
 付けして書きました。
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264918005

 とFacebookの姫路グループで書いたところ「embankment:leftつけたほうがいい
 んじゃない?」とか「historic=ruins?」とか話が出たので、MLでも聞いてみた
 いと思いました。

 イメージとしたらこんな感じです。

 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86265332
 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86268393
 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86268390

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muc2PWWDuzU

 ということで、城の石垣跡は、どういうふうにタグづけするとよいでしょうか。

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Re: [OSM-ja] 学校などの書き方について

2014-03-08 Thread Jun NOGATA
野方です。
東さん、飯田さんありがとうございます。

たしかに東さんのおっしゃる原則は分かっていたのですが…

2014年3月8日 18:16 Satoshi IIDA nyamp...@gmail.com:
 いちおうの指針として、こんなかんじのものがありました。
 (こちらはAreaとして描いています)
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dschool

これ見てました。
インポートされた学校はノードになってるけど、どっちに合わせるのがいいのだろうと思ってました。

 ただこれだと、例えば中高一貫(1つの敷地内に、異なるnameのオブジェクトが2つ存在する)のときに
 どうするんだろうなー、というのがあり、

そうですね。
ほかの場所はエリアなのに、同じ敷地の同じ学校だけれど中高一貫、全日制と通信制、
学部違いで別体制になってるところはノードになると揺れが気になってました。
ひとまずはノードだけにしておいたほうがいいのかな

 個人的には、shcoolはNodeとして描いて、対応するAreaとrelationで結合したほうがいいのでは?という考えも持っています。
 (relation type=siteの定義が完璧に決まっているわけではないのと、
 学校Areaをあらわすための landuse=*が無い、というのが辛いところです)

うーん…。
気持ちとしてはエリアも書いておきたいのですが、表現がないので迷ってしまったところです。


2014年3月8日 18:16 Satoshi IIDA nyamp...@gmail.com:

 いいだです。

 理想論として言えば、1つの地物は1つの表現、なので、
 NodeかAreaのどちらかにタグを寄せて、もう片方を削除します。

 じゃぁ、その場合にNodeかAreaか、どちらを残すのかというのは
 とても議論の分かれるところで、決めはない、という認識です。
 僕も悩んでいます。

 いちおうの指針として、こんなかんじのものがありました。
 (こちらはAreaとして描いています)

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dschool
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Amenity_school_usage_example.svg


 ただこれだと、例えば中高一貫(1つの敷地内に、異なるnameのオブジェクトが2つ存在する)のときに
 どうするんだろうなー、というのがあり、
 個人的には、shcoolはNodeとして描いて、対応するAreaとrelationで結合したほうがいいのでは?という考えも持っています。
 (relation type=siteの定義が完璧に決まっているわけではないのと、
 学校Areaをあらわすための landuse=*が無い、というのが辛いところです)





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 野方です。

 最近のJOSMの妥当性検査で、amenity=schoolでタグ付けをしたエリアに
 amenity=schoolのノードが入ってると
 「amenity=schoolの中にamenity=schoolがある」と警告されるようになりました。

 ほかにもノードとエリアがかぶっていると警告されるようですが、
 警告をされないように書くためには、どう書くとよいでしょうか。

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Re: [OSM-ja] 城の石垣跡のタグについて

2014-03-08 Thread Jun NOGATA
野方です。

2014年3月8日 19:35 Shu Higashi higa...@gmail.com:
 東です。

 答えはひとつではなさそうですね。

そうですね。場所によって状況が違いますし、一つに絞ればないので
どの組み合わせが状況と思ってるものに近いか、いろいろありそうです。

 私なら以下のいずれかでタグ付けすると思います。

 遺跡としての城壁として表現したい場合
 historic=citywalls

 城跡(の一部)として表現したい場合
 historic=ruins
 ruins=castle

なるほど。最初は後者に近いものにしてましたが、書きなおして前者に近いタグつけましたね。
姫路の石垣は、石垣には以前、壁や櫓があって門があったことを表現したかったので、
城の遺跡ではあるけれど、ちょっと意図が違うかなと思ってcitywallsにしましたね。

全国各地お城はあるけど、ほかのところはどうしているのか知りたいので
ほかにも、こんな感じで書いてる、うちはこうしている、などあったら教えてください。>みなさま


2014年3月8日 19:35 Shu Higashi higa...@gmail.com:
 東です。

 答えはひとつではなさそうですね。
 私なら以下のいずれかでタグ付けすると思います。

 遺跡としての城壁として表現したい場合
 historic=citywalls

 城跡(の一部)として表現したい場合
 historic=ruins
 ruins=castle

 2014/03/08 Jun NOGATA noga...@gmail.com:
 野方です。
 タグ付けについての質問です。

 姫路城の周りは、今は街中ですが、元は城の中ということで城の石垣跡が
 残っていますが石垣のタグはどうつけたらいいでしょうか。

 デカイので最初エリアで書いてたのですが、ちょっと違う気がしたのでWayで書
 きなおして、barrier=retaining_wall、historic=citywallsというふうにタグ
 付けして書きました。
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264918005

 とFacebookの姫路グループで書いたところ「embankment:leftつけたほうがいい
 んじゃない?」とか「historic=ruins?」とか話が出たので、MLでも聞いてみた
 いと思いました。

 イメージとしたらこんな感じです。

 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86265332
 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86268393
 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86268390

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muc2PWWDuzU

 ということで、城の石垣跡は、どういうふうにタグづけするとよいでしょうか。

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[OSM-ja] CloudMadeのマップタイルサービス無料版は4月末で終了の模様

2014-03-08 Thread Shu Higashi
東です。

かつてSteve Coastが創業したCloudMadeが4月末でマップタイルサービス無料版を終了するようです。(有料のエンタープライズ版は継続とのこと)
http://notes.ericjiang.com/posts/741

代替サービス/手段のリストはこちら
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7336746

なお、CloudMadeのサイトではこのアナウンスは見つけられませんでした。

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[OSM-ja] Amenity Editorの改善(Was: [OSM-talk] OpenAquiMap project : Improvement of Amenity Editor)

2014-03-08 Thread Shu Higashi
東です。

PC版のPOIエディタであるAmenity Editorの改善プロジェクトが
フランスで動いているようです。
http://ae.openstreetmap.fr/ae/index#

以前と比べて安定性や操作性が改善しているように感じました。
タグの入力ガイドにJOSMのプリセットが使えるようになっています。
国際化対応もしているようなので日本語化に
興味ある方はトライしてみてはいかがでしょうか。

PCを使ったPOI編集ツールとしては初心者向けに良さそうな気がします。


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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 11:52:32 +0100
Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenAquiMap project : Improvement of Amenity Editor
To: t...@openstreetmap.org
Cc: Vincent BERGEOT v.berg...@lespetitsdebrouillards.org

Hi,

The OpenAquiMap project aims to promote the contribution and improvement
of OpenStreetMap data. For this OpenAquiMap proposes to lowering the
technology need for beginners contributors. The project also proposes to
initiate and collect data by organizing mapping parties and training. To
lower the technology step one goal is make imporvement on the Amenity
Editor. The OpenAquiMap project is funded with € 40 000 by the French
Region of Aquitaine (south-west land around Bordeaux) and leading by
Les Petits Débrouillards Aquitaine (a French associative promoting
science and technology culture).


The objective of the changes in the editor Amenity Editor (AE) is to
offer an online editor that can be used in all hands, especially for
first-time contributors and children.

AE is a simple online tool to create and edit nodes (points of interest
POIs). It allows users to quickly insert new points and enhance existing
ones using thematic forms. AE is a free software available on github
https://github.com/grundid/amenity-editor

Planned work on AE was the follows :
- French translation software and thematic forms ,
- possible to modify the attributes of polygons and only nodes,
- support the specificities of French mapping and adapted to the use of
OpenAquiMap project.

New developments are available on github
https://github.com/frodrigo/amenity-editor


Thematic forms

The choice was made to reuse JOSM preset file. Originaly AE thematic
forms was directly set in the code, now there are defined in external
XML files. They offer the advantage to be more easily to translate. The
objective was not to integrate JOSM preset in AE, but just a have a
common format. Other preset available for JOSM and can be reused.


Optimizing load time

AE was based on direct access to central OSM API servers. It was
downloading all the content area being edited, then filtered on editable
components. To reduce the amount of data to be downloaded and processed
now obtain data from the OverpassAPI (enables content filtering on the
server side before donwload).


Editing polygons

Originally, AE only supports the creation and editing points. Basic
elements can be mapped either as a point or as polygon. Support polygon
has been added for editing. The ability to draw polygons would conflict
with the aim of simplicity in the editor .


Translation

The software has been translated in French.It was also necessary to
internationalize parts which was not yet able to translate. Adding JOSM
preset also facilitated the translation and the possible reuse of JOSM
translation.


Interface

The JOSM preset take more space than the original one, it was necessary
to modify the interface by removing marker bubbles and adding a side
panel dedicated to the editing. Support preset also involved the need
for a suitable interface. The ability to have multiple presets results
in the presence of a selection menu. Widgets for geolocation by web
browser and addresses search also added.


All these improvements are available on the AE version hosted at
http://ae.openstreetmap.fr by OpenStreetMap-France and realised by
Carte-Libre (me).

This development was made in contact with AE original author, but this
work it's not merged in main branch.


http://ae.openstreetmap.fr (OpenAquiMap improved AE)
http://ae.osmsurround.org (original AE)
http://openaquimap.org (in French)
http://www.lespetitsdebrouillardsaquitaine.org (in French)
http://aquitaine.fr


Frédéric Rodrigo

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Re: [OSM-ja] Amenity Editorの改善

2014-03-08 Thread ribbon
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 05:56:47AM +0900, Shu Higashi wrote:
 東です。
 
 PC版のPOIエディタであるAmenity Editorの改善プロジェクトが
 フランスで動いているようです。
 http://ae.openstreetmap.fr/ae/index#
 
 以前と比べて安定性や操作性が改善しているように感じました。
 タグの入力ガイドにJOSMのプリセットが使えるようになっています。

文字が小さいので、ちょっと使いにくいかなあ。

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Re: [OSM-ja] 城の石垣跡のタグについて

2014-03-08 Thread yuu hayashi
林です。

石垣の形状に合わせていろいろな書き方があると思います。

わたしは barrier=city_wall としています。
現地調査で高さや材質がわかれば追記しています。
積み方などはdesctioptionに書いてます。

barrier=city_wall は、 area=yes
を付加してエリアとしても描けますので詳細な石垣の形がわかればマイクロマッピングのほうにどんどんはまっていけます。
二段重ねの石垣や、石垣上に櫓や塀があるものなどはlayerを設定して重なり具合を表現しています。
とはいえ面倒なので私自身はあまり描いてませんので自慢できるようなサンプルを例示できないのが残念です。

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/34.97794/138.38434

日本の城郭に多いパターンとして、正面が石垣で裏が土手などとかいろいろなパターンがあるので、書き方も様々になると思います。
どう書けばいいか悩むろことがOSMの楽しさですね。


2014年3月8日 22:35 Jun NOGATA noga...@gmail.com:
 野方です。

 2014年3月8日 19:35 Shu Higashi higa...@gmail.com:
 東です。

 答えはひとつではなさそうですね。

 そうですね。場所によって状況が違いますし、一つに絞ればないので
 どの組み合わせが状況と思ってるものに近いか、いろいろありそうです。

 私なら以下のいずれかでタグ付けすると思います。

 遺跡としての城壁として表現したい場合
 historic=citywalls

 城跡(の一部)として表現したい場合
 historic=ruins
 ruins=castle

 なるほど。最初は後者に近いものにしてましたが、書きなおして前者に近いタグつけましたね。
 姫路の石垣は、石垣には以前、壁や櫓があって門があったことを表現したかったので、
 城の遺跡ではあるけれど、ちょっと意図が違うかなと思ってcitywallsにしましたね。

 全国各地お城はあるけど、ほかのところはどうしているのか知りたいので
 ほかにも、こんな感じで書いてる、うちはこうしている、などあったら教えてください。>みなさま


 2014年3月8日 19:35 Shu Higashi higa...@gmail.com:
 東です。

 答えはひとつではなさそうですね。
 私なら以下のいずれかでタグ付けすると思います。

 遺跡としての城壁として表現したい場合
 historic=citywalls

 城跡(の一部)として表現したい場合
 historic=ruins
 ruins=castle

 2014/03/08 Jun NOGATA noga...@gmail.com:
 野方です。
 タグ付けについての質問です。

 姫路城の周りは、今は街中ですが、元は城の中ということで城の石垣跡が
 残っていますが石垣のタグはどうつけたらいいでしょうか。

 デカイので最初エリアで書いてたのですが、ちょっと違う気がしたのでWayで書
 きなおして、barrier=retaining_wall、historic=citywallsというふうにタグ
 付けして書きました。
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/264918005

 とFacebookの姫路グループで書いたところ「embankment:leftつけたほうがいい
 んじゃない?」とか「historic=ruins?」とか話が出たので、MLでも聞いてみた
 いと思いました。

 イメージとしたらこんな感じです。

 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86265332
 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86268393
 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/86268390

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muc2PWWDuzU

 ということで、城の石垣跡は、どういうふうにタグづけするとよいでしょうか。

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Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery

2014-03-08 Thread jonathan
Any updates on this, I'm still experiencing it all over Redditch and 
surrounds?


Jonathan

http://bigfatfrog67.me

On 04/03/2014 22:26, Andy Robinson wrote:


I think we need to be careful when comparing what might be visible via 
the bing map website and what's available to our editing software 
platforms via the bing API. We are only meant to derive data from the 
latter as far as I recall. Clearly both platforms are not the same.


As for differences that individual mappers see when using the same 
software, that needs more investigation as it doesn't seem logical 
unless it's simply a difference in caching which will presumably 
resolve itself fairly quickly.


Cheers

Andy

*From:*SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk]
*Sent:* 04 March 2014 18:36
*To:* Eric Grosso
*Cc:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Bing imagery

(taking these in a slightly different order)

Eric Grosso wrote:


So from my point of view, the problem described initially by Will is 
still a current one.



Indeed - higher up this thread I mentioned a location in Mansfield 
which used to have  z18 imagery and now no longer does for me (in 
Potlatch 2).



In Wolverhampton, there are different problems which are combined, not 
only a problem with the imagery at a zoom level higher than 19.


To take an example, using the Bing maps website 
(http://www.bing.com/maps/) and searching for Birch street,



Is what I see in wolves_bing.com_aerial.png what you're referring to 
here?  I got that by going to Bing.com, searching for Birch Street, 
Wolverhampton, zooming in in the southern end of Molineux and 
switching to aerial.


Interestingly, I don't see this problem in Potlatch 2 - there I get 
wolves_p2_background.png (or JOSM FWIW).



. If you switch to the aerial imagery without showing the labels, 
you can access a reasonable good imagery which is the one which is 
used until the zoom level 19.



I'm not sure what you mean here - I don't use Bing's website so I'm 
not familiar with it and don't obviously see a show the labels 
option.  I'm running Chrome on Windows 7 without Silverlight, if 
that's relevant.  It's certainly interesting that I see different 
aerial (not Birds Eye) imagery via bing.com than via the OSM editors.


The point that I was actually trying to make (rather badly) was that 
west of there:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=potlatch2#map=18/52.72277/-2.1 



imagery that was present in December but absent in January had 
reappeared as of this Monday, and therefore any missing imagery 
issues that there are currently may be temporary.


Cheers,

Andy


Attachments:

wolves_bing.com_aerial.png:
http://imgur.com/MOCd2xs


wolves_p2_background.png:
http://imgur.com/cdf4ej0



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[Talk-ht] Admin boundaries level 1, CAR - Lobaye missing in OSM

2014-03-08 Thread Severin Menard
Hi,

I am not used to admin level addition in OSM and does not know which group
to contact. I have just noticed that one Admin level 1 (called Prefectures)
for Central African Republic called Lobaye (see in
Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobaye)
appears on OSM as a
namehttp://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=9/4.2916/17.9022layers=Hbut
its boundaries are missing (for a long time, as it
does not appear either on
FOSMhttp://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/hot/leaflet/OSM-Compare-before-after.html#8/4.623/18.138).
They can be found on
Maplibray.orghttp://www.mapmakerdata.co.uk.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/library/stacks/Africa/Central%20African%20Republic/index.htm,
the data source used to provide the admin level 1 in OSM, is there someone
experimented with admin boundaries who could kindly add Lobaye?

Sincerely,

Severin
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