Re: [OSM-talk] shapefile to osm api 0.6

2009-05-11 Thread Russ Nelson
On May 10, 2009, at 2:01 AM, maning sambale wrote: Is there one already? I think polyshp2osm will still work fine for api 0.6. It just writes osm files which create new nodes. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r

Re: [OSM-talk] Data Import Support Working Group

2009-05-14 Thread Russ Nelson
programmers. We're used to not sleeping, right? o And in a similar vein, except for China, English is the language of computer programmers. o Phone calls are a very effective way to keep a group in synch and on time. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http

[OSM-talk] Upcoming NorthEast US mapping parties

2009-05-16 Thread Russ Nelson
-14) Pittsurgh o 6/20-21 Washington DC -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo has very bad resolution images of Croatia, why?

2009-05-16 Thread Russ Nelson
(us). -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo has very bad resolution images of Croatia, why?

2009-05-17 Thread Russ Nelson
one price, and another buyer another price. It's *quite* possible that there is an unadvertised price for non-profits. OpenStreetMap is a non-profit. Don't assume that they're going to charge you the same price as a profit-making entity. Ask. Always ask. -- Russ Nelson - http

Re: [OSM-talk] Free GPS data logger for developing countries?

2009-05-18 Thread Russ Nelson
? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] Re verting Changes....

2009-05-18 Thread Russ Nelson
. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] Re verting Changes....

2009-05-19 Thread Russ Nelson
him and wait -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] LV region border import

2009-05-29 Thread Russ Nelson
them once, and should reuse them for different ways. P.S. Who should I contact to ask to create talk-lv mailing list? Better to talk about things here in English. We can help you and you can help us. P.S.S. Sorry for my engish :D Ha! It's better than my Lativan! -- Russ Nelson - http

Re: [OSM-talk] Statues and Public Art

2009-06-06 Thread Russ Nelson
, and blue. Personally, I would have chosen orange green and white, but that's just me. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

[OSM-talk] Open*Map.* ?

2009-06-08 Thread Russ Nelson
into the pattern: http://OpenTopoMap.org - http://toposm.com -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key=Cycleworth

2009-06-13 Thread Russ Nelson
, but you are right to bound it at plus or minus three. I assume that you mean the default for an ordinary residential road to be zero? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http

Re: [OSM-talk] putting GPS units in taxis

2009-06-15 Thread Russ Nelson
and number information. But it does tell us several other things: routability and speed. Here in the US, we have the tiger data, which is 90% correct. Trouble is that we don't know WHICH 90% is the correct 90%. GPS tracks will tell us a lot. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

2009-06-16 Thread Russ Nelson
to emphasize that OSM is about geodata SUCH AS streets, just like the mission statement says. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

2009-06-16 Thread Russ Nelson
is to claim that you don't have a trademark on it. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM data grant

2009-06-18 Thread Russ Nelson
is if i can use OSM shape data for sale my etaboration rasters maps. Yes, but your result has to be licensed under the CC-By-SA, which means that in principle, somebody could republish your composition. In practice, nobody has complained about that. -- Russ Nelson - http

Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

2009-06-22 Thread Russ Nelson
ATT1.txt -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] railway=halt rendering

2009-06-22 Thread Russ Nelson
On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:04 AM, Andy Allan wrote: Mmmm text ordering. One of my least favourite problems to sort out. And THIS, my friends, is why cartography is an art form, not a science, and I have the greatest respect for people who can do it. -- Russ Nelson - http

Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

2009-06-22 Thread Russ Nelson
the photos just like we're doing now. I wonder if you could get those photos or even the maps via a FOIA request? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user

[OSM-talk] passive user inputs

2009-07-01 Thread Russ Nelson
-talk/133427-community-generated-map-data-passive-vs-active-teleatlas-vs-openstreetmaps.html -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Russ Nelson
comes at UCL to move to IPv6, they will, and OSM will move with it. Until then, this is all just wasted hot air. Maybe we could talk about mapping instead? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-03 Thread Russ Nelson
addresses, just like we need a free market for any scarce commodity. Okay, NOW is it completely clear that this subject is not on topic for the Talk list? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter

Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo

2009-07-07 Thread Russ Nelson
. Not straightforward. Python Software Foundation has a good policy for reuse of their snake logo. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License for OSM logo

2009-07-07 Thread Russ Nelson
modifications for our (OSI) trademark (the green keyhole). I expect that the OSMF would get the same permission. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC; C = Cool

2009-07-07 Thread Russ Nelson
the better deal. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] Converting polygon to OSM way?

2009-07-09 Thread Russ Nelson
) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-11 Thread Russ Nelson
remember seeing what came of that. impo...@openstreetmap.org -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-11 Thread Russ Nelson
On Jul 11, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 11/07/09 09:42, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: By the way, whom in the OSM network should I contact about getting help with the uploads this fall? A couple of months ago there was some discussion here

Re: [OSM-talk] Undo request button for changesets

2009-07-15 Thread Russ Nelson
there are editing conflicts, include a link to Potlatch with a bbox for the conflict. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] Undo request button for changesets

2009-07-15 Thread Russ Nelson
, then there are conflicts and you deal with them as any other edit conflict. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

2009-07-17 Thread Russ Nelson
not metameta-data? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] QR code http://cm.ly

2009-09-14 Thread Russ Nelson
Patrick Petschge Kilian writes: Petschge on irc://irc.freenode.net/#osm was asking how to create a QR code. He wanted GPL-friendly Ruby code to be able to create QR codes for shortlinks on the main site (thus GPL-friendly and Ruby needed at the same time). IF (and that is a big

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Russ Nelson
John Smith writes: verifiable, if I go to ny county, ny, us I won't know the difference to the adjcent county etc, we're not supposed to embed symbol information for the renderer and this is exactly what you are suggesting we do. I agree. You wouldn't. However, everybody else would look

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-21 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Allan writes: I'll leave for cartographers to decide; personally I think it looks naff but that doesn't stop other people from doing so. Sorry, I don't speak English. Is naff good or bad? I hope good. Anyway, US maps are often rendered with the shape of the sign, and I'd like to see

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate nodes incorrectly removed by bot BugBuster ?

2009-09-27 Thread Russ Nelson
Ruben Wisniewski writes: No I'm not only touching this buildings, I tried to fix every doubled node. It's the same thing a user would do with a josm validator. What is a doubled node? Any node which has the same lat/lon as another node? The US TIGER import created just one node where

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate nodes incorrectly removed by bot BugBuster ?

2009-09-27 Thread Russ Nelson
Apollinaris Schoell writes: yes this a critical point. also tiger import created 2 nodes for railways/boundary/road/powerline crossing each other. even if the layer tag is missing they must not merge. instead a layer tag must be added. a bot can never solve such a problem. only make it

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-09-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Fairhurst writes: Nick Whitelegg wrote: One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as public domain when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same for all councils. Bear in mind that public domain meaning free of copyright is a US term. The traditional UK meaning is

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger data and county lines

2009-09-30 Thread Russ Nelson
Mike N. writes: JOSM - How to select a way underneath another way? Usually admin boundaries are selected when trying to select the way. When there are 2 duplicate ways and nodes under an admin boundary, this is very time consuming. You're right, it's hard to select two ways when

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-30 Thread Russ Nelson
SteveC writes: Yeah, OK Dave, we've got the message, you don't free-format tags. Unfortunately you're going to have to get used to it, because it is the basis of the OPENstreetmap and, in my opinion, one of the reasons it is as successful as it is. +1 -1. Don't confuse anarchy

[OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-09-30 Thread Russ Nelson
Yeah, OK Dave, we've got the message, you don't free-format tags. +1 -1. Don't confuse anarchy with chaos. SteveC is our leader (and should behave as such by Giving Advice), but he's only our leader so far as he gives Good Advice. I wish to be more plain. I think that SteveC

Re: [OSM-talk] Tiger data and county lines

2009-09-30 Thread Russ Nelson
Dodi writes: In JOSM just press middle mouse button, hold down CTRL key, then select way(s) from popup menu. Wow, and where's the affordance for that? Thanks, Dodi, LSNED. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-09-30 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes: Russ Nelson wrote: -1. Don't confuse anarchy with chaos. SteveC is our leader (and should behave as such by Giving Advice), but he's only our leader so far as he gives Good Advice. A leader in an anarchic state? How does that work? ;-) Exactly as I just

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: In the long term, standardisation would kill the project, and thus not be desirable even for our users. - Coming from the outside and not having the knowledge about OSM that we have, users can be forgiven to demand things that would ultimately destroy OSM, That's

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: Not at all. Russ has called for dictatorial leadership which the project should follow even if there were absolutely nonsensical decisions. WHOA!! I never said that. What I said was that if we can't choose, as a community, between yes/no, true/false, and 1/0, then

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Allan writes: can win, and I decided about 6 months ago to ignore (or at least not rise to) the eternally pointless tagging debate. The reason it's eternal is because there's no one to choose. Steve refuses to do it because too many people give him hell when he does, and nobody defends

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: On the other side we have the mappers who do not save, or earn, any money from OSM, and the programmers and server admins and everyone who uses their spare time to create and run OSM. On the other side you have mappers who want to create useful data, not a pile of

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
SteveC wrote: C'mon... freeform tags set the community free, if you have a better alternative please outline it? How about you stepping in where there is an unresolvable controvery, editing the wiki, and saying I recommend this choice -- SteveC. No Nazi goose-stepping required, no dictating,

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes: This is just wrong. If SteveC says that mountain=green means that first there is a mountain, and that mountain=blue means there is no mountain, then damnit, we should do it that way. Sheesh, has Donovan lost all his currency? Oh my Lord, you've completely missed the

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Apollinaris Schoell writes: don't think so. the ones doing the hard work in the background rarely contribute to these childish discussions because they DO something useful instead wasting their time. First, you're contributing to these childish discussions as well; why criticize

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Jonas Häggqvist writes: This is just wrong. If SteveC says that mountain=green means that first there is a mountain, and that mountain=blue means there is no mountain, then damnit, we should do it that way. Let me try again, in a single paragraph that's harder to take out of context:

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Jukka Rahkonen writes: You seem to believe that SteveC would make such a decision that makes you happy. How about if he says that if you want people to continue working with OSM in creative, productive, or unexpected ways then true/false, yes/no, and 0/1 issue must be tolerated. That's

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Gervase Markham writes: Good leadership is not the same as makes decisions Frederik agrees with. Good leadership is not the same as only making decisions which are easy because everyone agrees. Good leadership is leadership which furthers the mission of the organization. +1 -- --my

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Roy Wallace writes: I think we are quite capable of (voluntarily) collaboration across country borders without needing an authority figure to enforce it. Good! Collaborate on this and remove 8 of 9 proposals: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Noname I'm not holding my

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Matt Amos writes: forcing all mappers, editors and renderers to support it? Why do people keep saying that I want to use force? From where do they get this idea? Have I ever suggested the use of force? Gun, knife, sword, empty hand? Rejection of ill-formed tags at the API? Please, quote me

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Matt Amos writes: I point to the +1 year age of the Noname proposal and recent inactivity and suggest that convergance isn't happening. maybe there isn't a need for convergence here? we've got a nonames map to help mappers decide where their time might be well-spent. And well-spent

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Russ Nelson
Andrew Errington writes: 1) The street has no name (and you might hum a tune by U2) 2) The street has a name but it has not been recorded Either way, it doesn't matter. E, no, it really does matter. If I am a map user then I can not intuit whether the name is missing, or there

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread Russ Nelson
though that goal cannot be achieved. If you don't know where you're going in the long term you'll likely go in circles in the short term. Like this discussion. Matt Amos writes: On 10/3/09, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: you seem to be advocating for a tag with the sole purpose

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-04 Thread Russ Nelson
Matt Amos writes: On 10/4/09, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: No, that's not the sole purpose. See my reply to Andrew which you should have already received. so the purpose is to indicate to other mappers, including via the nonames renderer and other debugging tools

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Russ Nelson
Valent Turkovic writes: On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:17:37 +1000, John Smith wrote: I thought this was anything goes, why are you dictating something can't be done? I'm also puzzled why it can't be done by a comitee elected BY OSM mappers?!? Why not? It could ... but that committee

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave Stubbs writes: I was convinced otherwise by some very persuasive arguments and now think it's completely not worth doing and not at all important. I'm not convinced. Could you share them? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521

[OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-08 Thread Russ Nelson
Doctau created the following page, and various other people have contributed to it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/VotingOnTheWikiIsStupid I don't think voting is stupid, but I do believe that voting is not productive. Here's what I believe we should do instead of voting

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-08 Thread Russ Nelson
I considered doing so, but this issue is larger than tagging. Do you have anything to contribute other than stop energy to my suggestion? Apollinaris Schoell writes: can you move this thread to the new list where it belongs? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-09 Thread Russ Nelson
Tobias Knerr writes: Frederik Ramm: (5) Never ever invent a tag that you don't have a concrete use for. Never plan ahead, always wait until there are thousands of existing tags that make creating a better solution harder? I believe this to be a misconception. If there are five tags,

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-10 Thread Russ Nelson
Note: this is a single reply to everyone who offered suggestions. If anyone has any more suggestions, please make them, otherwise I'll put this into the wiki and modify the voting documentation to say As an alternative to voting, consider doing this instead. My hope is that people will simply

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Nelson
Gilles Corlobé writes: I propose to add a tag boundary=military Where is this tag currently being used? Please point to several examples so we can see what you mean. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Nelson
Gilles Corlobé writes: This tag is not currently used. But it could be very usefull here : http://osm.org/go/xXEahwWz-- Why wait? Tag boldly and document what you did in the wiki. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes: The just go ahead do it philosophy that some advocate just puts errors into OSM that may not get fully removed, especially if they've been around for a while have been copied by others. Please go back to my proposed steps. What errors do you see defined there? The only

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Liz writes: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: Map it, tag it, and document it. Worry less about making a misteak, and map more. could we make research other tags in similar use be part of this list and make the search process easier? This google search has always worked for me

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Liz writes: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: Before you propose a tag, you should be using it. Why? To show people how you're using it. http://osm.org/ Doesn't it make sense to ask around before using something - someone may come up with a good example they are

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Liz writes: On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: or a simple reason why your tag is not good. Could you list some simple reasons, please? I don't understand what you mean by not good. simple example I tagged shop=lawyer On this list someone said that they didn't think

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Nelson
Pieren writes: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Why wait?  Tag boldly and document what you did in the wiki. No, no and no. If you are unsure or unhappy with existing tags, then document, suggest and discuss before putting crap in OSM ! Why

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Liz writes: On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: simple example I tagged shop=lawyer On this list someone said that they didn't think that lawyer belonged in shop but office=legal. I saw that. Simply because someone else offered a different idea doesn't make your

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Russ Nelson
Gustav Foseid writes: Is it a cafe? No. Should it be tagged as a cafe? No. Clearly one could verify that the location seems to be a cafe. Thus this is not a question about whether it should be tagged, but instead how it should be tagged as a former cafe. May I suggest use of the Nelson

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Russ Nelson
Cartinus writes: Nobody is changing any definitions. They are just using a combination of two existing and widely used tags. Much, much easier than writing a proposal for a new tag. If it's obviously the right thing to do, then do it, and DOCUMENT IT IN THE WIKI so that other people can

Re: [OSM-talk] importing shapefile data to OSM

2009-10-28 Thread Russ Nelson
John Callahan writes: Something I'm missing, once the data is in osm format, how do I get it into OSM? Can I continue to edit the osm manually, such as with a background image/WMS service? Is this where importing turns into editing and I should use JOSM, etc...? I've had good

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-10-28 Thread Russ Nelson
Valent Turkovic writes: http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=40148 what to do with OSM mappers like these guys in this post? They say that they are using Google Earth images :( A couple of points: o Copyright gets infringed typically. Criminal copyright is a much more

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Pieren writes: first category. Tracing on Google Maps or others is in the second category and is copyright infringement. Point. In reality, it isn't. It's factual information about the world, which is not copyrightable in the USA, and given your sweat of the brow in tracing it, is

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Peteris Krisjanis writes: Anyway, to resume all this discussion - PLEASE don't trace from photo without permission for OSM, whatever your temptations are. E, no. The USGS Digital Ortho Quads are in the public domain; no permission necessary to trace off of them. -- --my blog is at

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Ulf Lamping writes: Russ Nelson schrieb: Peteris Krisjanis writes: Anyway, to resume all this discussion - PLEASE don't trace from photo without permission for OSM, whatever your temptations are. E, no. The USGS Digital Ortho Quads are in the public domain

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Pieren writes: Richard is convinced that the content of the photos is not protected and I agree on that point. But he just decides to ignore all the investments spent to rectify and georeference these photos on which his derivative work is based. And this investment and work is

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for JOSM

2009-11-03 Thread Russ Nelson
John Smith writes: If you don't want to use such a features that's your pejorative, there is plenty of features I don't use in JOSM, but other people would like the option of being able to do this. Plugin. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-11-05 Thread Russ Nelson
Lesi writes: In the last days no further problems appeared and it seems that all helpful suggestions are included now. So let's start voting: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft It would be nice if further votes would be more serious. If you

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal -Voting - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-11-07 Thread Russ Nelson
Lesi writes: I do not know which discussion you mean? According to the wiki voting is still neccessary to approve a new feature. What negative result do you fear would occur if somebody used[1] an unapproved feature? [1] That is, they tagged something as documented in the wiki, even if the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal -Voting- (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-11-08 Thread Russ Nelson
Lesi writes: If you think voting is silly, why do you not change the procedure of approving new features in the wiki? Because some people think that we should vote, and would be upset if I removed the voting mechanism. Based on what facts a feature will be approved then. Well, the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave Hansen writes: The standard OSM user tries to find their street first. The typical US OSM experience has gone from, My street isn't there to My street is crooked. And soon it will go to My house is in the wrong location. In parts of St. Lawrence County, New York, that's already the

Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?

2009-11-13 Thread Russ Nelson
On 12/11/2009 21:31, SteveC wrote: That's half true. Nobody likes the uncertainty around CC, but really they want us to be PD because they don't want to give any data away. They'd love to suck it all in, improve it and then keep the improvements. Just look at the current data set they're

Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?

2009-11-13 Thread Russ Nelson
different points and as far as I can see, trolling. On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: On 12/11/2009 21:31, SteveC wrote: That's half true. Nobody likes the uncertainty around CC, but really they want us to be PD because they don't want to give any data away. They'd love

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Russ Nelson
Anthony writes: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Russ Nelson
no one is interested to cleanup crap after a bad import. No one is writing this email. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Allan writes: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:  There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say that it did more harm than good. It did more harm than good. No, it didn't.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Allan writes: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: should I waste my time, as you folks in the UK have **been forced** to waste your time reinventing an existing map? Sorry, which map have we reinvented? If OSM is better than OS, then you've

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Russ Nelson
Shalabh writes: Was mapping a few hiking trails with foot-only bridges on the trail and could not figure out a way to mark these bridge since the only bridge waypoint needs the same parameters as a highway. Any pointers on how to do this best? Sure. Any bridgey thing can be tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge on Hiking Trails

2009-11-25 Thread Russ Nelson
You don't have to fill in *anything* in a preset. If you don't, then all of the optional stuff is left out and you only get the bridge=yes tag, which is useful if you've forgotten. Otherwise, you can just add it as an attribute. The typing completion makes it very easy. Click on Add, type b

Re: [OSM-talk] caveat - potlatch overrides extern changes

2009-01-19 Thread Russ Nelson
... details left for speculation by the reader). (Maybe it already does this, and it isn't working properly for Potlatch for some reason. I haven't looked at the source or the API docs for confirmation.) Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.com

Re: [OSM-talk] 0.6 move and downtime

2009-01-20 Thread Russ Nelson
for that weekend, but it's my birthday anyway, so perhaps I should stay home and have a quiet birthday party? I'm thinking so. Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.com/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson

Re: [OSM-talk] Import populated places from vmap0

2009-01-21 Thread Russ Nelson
they won't render on a large scale map. Sooner or later somebody who lives there will notice their town is missing, and will set the correct size. Sorry for by English My Russian is worse, trust me! Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.com/User:RussNelson r

Re: [OSM-talk] Import populated places from vmap0

2009-01-21 Thread Russ Nelson
, and will correct it. Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.com/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] Mapping Party Template

2009-01-21 Thread Russ Nelson
I started in on a template for the use of mapping parties. It needs improvement. Email your suggestions directly to me (happy to do the edits and track down the details), or just edit the wiki page yourself: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_Party_Template Russ Nelson - http

[OSM-talk] Export too big

2009-01-21 Thread Russ Nelson
. At $9 a pop, he's not excited about too many experiments. Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.com/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Import populated places from vmap0

2009-01-22 Thread Russ Nelson
Isn't that the function of openstreetbugs? Perhaps if you don't know the size of a town, it should be marked there as Please correct the place tag, currently set to village. On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Upliner Mikhalych wrote: 2009/1/21 22:53 Russ Nelson:: Don't sweat the small stuff

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