On May 10, 2009, at 2:01 AM, maning sambale wrote:
Is there one already?
I think polyshp2osm will still work fine for api 0.6. It just writes
osm files which create new nodes.
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programmers. We're used to not sleeping, right?
o And in a similar vein, except for China, English is the language
of computer programmers.
o Phone calls are a very effective way to keep a group in synch and
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one price, and another buyer another
price. It's *quite* possible that there is an unadvertised price for
non-profits. OpenStreetMap is a non-profit. Don't assume that
they're going to charge you the same price as a profit-making entity.
Ask. Always ask.
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him and wait
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them once, and
should reuse them for different ways.
P.S. Who should I contact to ask to create talk-lv mailing list?
Better to talk about things here in English. We can help you and you
can help us.
P.S.S. Sorry for my engish :D
Ha! It's better than my Lativan!
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, and blue. Personally, I would have chosen orange green
and white, but that's just me.
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into the pattern:
http://OpenTopoMap.org - http://toposm.com
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, but you are right to bound it at plus or minus
three. I assume that you mean the default for an ordinary residential
road to be zero?
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and number information.
But it does tell us several other things: routability and speed. Here
in the US, we have the tiger data, which is 90% correct. Trouble is
that we don't know WHICH 90% is the correct 90%. GPS tracks will tell
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to emphasize that OSM is about geodata SUCH AS streets, just
like the mission statement says.
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is to
claim that you don't have a trademark on it.
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is if i can use OSM shape data for sale my etaboration
rasters maps.
Yes, but your result has to be licensed under the CC-By-SA, which
means that in principle, somebody could republish your composition.
In practice, nobody has complained about that.
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On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:04 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
Mmmm text ordering. One of my least favourite problems to sort out.
And THIS, my friends, is why cartography is an art form, not a
science, and I have the greatest respect for people who can do it.
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the photos just like we're
doing now.
I wonder if you could get those photos or even the maps via a FOIA
request?
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comes at UCL to move to IPv6, they will, and OSM will move with it.
Until then, this is all just wasted hot air. Maybe we could talk
about mapping instead?
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addresses, just like we need a free
market for any scarce commodity.
Okay, NOW is it completely clear that this subject is not on topic for
the Talk list?
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. Not
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reuse of their snake logo.
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modifications for our (OSI) trademark (the
green keyhole). I expect that the OSMF would get the same permission.
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On Jul 11, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 11/07/09 09:42, Russ Nelson wrote:
On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Hillsman, Edward wrote:
By the way, whom in the OSM network should I contact about getting
help with the uploads this fall? A couple of months ago there was
some discussion here
there are editing conflicts, include a link to Potlatch with
a bbox for the conflict.
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Patrick Petschge Kilian writes:
Petschge on irc://irc.freenode.net/#osm was asking how to create a QR
code. He wanted GPL-friendly Ruby code to be able to create QR codes
for shortlinks on the main site (thus GPL-friendly and Ruby needed at
the same time).
IF (and that is a big
John Smith writes:
verifiable, if I go to ny county, ny, us I won't know the difference
to the adjcent county etc, we're not supposed to embed symbol
information for the renderer and this is exactly what you are
suggesting we do.
I agree. You wouldn't. However, everybody else would look
Andy Allan writes:
I'll leave for cartographers to decide; personally I think it looks
naff but that doesn't stop other people from doing so.
Sorry, I don't speak English. Is naff good or bad? I hope good.
Anyway, US maps are often rendered with the shape of the sign, and I'd
like to see
Ruben Wisniewski writes:
No I'm not only touching this buildings, I tried to fix every doubled
node. It's the same thing a user would do with a josm validator.
What is a doubled node? Any node which has the same lat/lon as
another node? The US TIGER import created just one node where
Apollinaris Schoell writes:
yes this a critical point. also tiger import created 2 nodes for
railways/boundary/road/powerline crossing each other. even if the layer tag
is missing they must not merge. instead a layer tag must be added.
a bot can never solve such a problem. only make it
Richard Fairhurst writes:
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
One council (West Sussex) referred to its data as public domain
when I last looked. I'd guess that's the same for all councils.
Bear in mind that public domain meaning free of copyright is a US term.
The traditional UK meaning is
Mike N. writes:
JOSM -
How to select a way underneath another way? Usually admin
boundaries are selected when trying to select the way. When there
are 2 duplicate ways and nodes under an admin boundary, this is
very time consuming.
You're right, it's hard to select two ways when
SteveC writes:
Yeah, OK Dave, we've got the message, you don't free-format tags.
Unfortunately you're going to have to get used to it, because it
is the basis of the OPENstreetmap and, in my opinion, one of the
reasons it is as successful as it is.
+1
-1. Don't confuse anarchy
Yeah, OK Dave, we've got the message, you don't free-format tags.
+1
-1. Don't confuse anarchy with chaos. SteveC is our leader (and
should behave as such by Giving Advice), but he's only our leader so
far as he gives Good Advice.
I wish to be more plain. I think that SteveC
Dodi writes:
In JOSM just press middle mouse button, hold down CTRL key, then select
way(s) from popup menu.
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Dave F. writes:
Russ Nelson wrote:
-1. Don't confuse anarchy with chaos. SteveC is our leader (and
should behave as such by Giving Advice), but he's only our leader so
far as he gives Good Advice.
A leader in an anarchic state? How does that work? ;-)
Exactly as I just
Frederik Ramm writes:
In the long term, standardisation would kill the project, and thus not
be desirable even for our users. - Coming from the outside and not
having the knowledge about OSM that we have, users can be forgiven to
demand things that would ultimately destroy OSM,
That's
Frederik Ramm writes:
Not at all. Russ has called for dictatorial leadership which the project
should follow even if there were absolutely nonsensical decisions.
WHOA!! I never said that. What I said was that if we can't choose,
as a community, between yes/no, true/false, and 1/0, then
Andy Allan writes:
can win, and I decided about 6 months ago to ignore (or at least not
rise to) the eternally pointless tagging debate.
The reason it's eternal is because there's no one to choose. Steve
refuses to do it because too many people give him hell when he does,
and nobody defends
Frederik Ramm writes:
On the other side we have the mappers who do not save, or earn, any
money from OSM, and the programmers and server admins and everyone who
uses their spare time to create and run OSM.
On the other side you have mappers who want to create useful data, not
a pile of
SteveC wrote:
C'mon... freeform tags set the community free, if you have a better
alternative please outline it?
How about you stepping in where there is an unresolvable controvery,
editing the wiki, and saying I recommend this choice -- SteveC. No
Nazi goose-stepping required, no dictating,
Dave F. writes:
This is just wrong. If SteveC says that mountain=green means that
first there is a mountain, and that mountain=blue means there is no
mountain, then damnit, we should do it that way.
Sheesh, has Donovan lost all his currency?
Oh my Lord, you've completely missed the
Apollinaris Schoell writes:
don't think so. the ones doing the hard work in the background rarely
contribute to these childish discussions because they DO something
useful instead wasting their time.
First, you're contributing to these childish discussions as well; why
criticize
Jonas Häggqvist writes:
This is just wrong. If SteveC says that mountain=green means that
first there is a mountain, and that mountain=blue means there is no
mountain, then damnit, we should do it that way.
Let me try again, in a single paragraph that's harder to take out of
context:
Jukka Rahkonen writes:
You seem to believe that SteveC would make such a decision that
makes you happy. How about if he says that if you want people to
continue working with OSM in creative, productive, or unexpected
ways then true/false, yes/no, and 0/1 issue must be tolerated.
That's
Gervase Markham writes:
Good leadership is not the same as makes decisions Frederik agrees
with. Good leadership is not the same as only making decisions which
are easy because everyone agrees. Good leadership is leadership which
furthers the mission of the organization.
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Roy Wallace writes:
I think we are quite capable of (voluntarily) collaboration across
country borders without needing an authority figure to enforce it.
Good! Collaborate on this and remove 8 of 9 proposals:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Noname
I'm not holding my
Matt Amos writes:
forcing all mappers, editors and renderers to support it?
Why do people keep saying that I want to use force? From where do
they get this idea? Have I ever suggested the use of force? Gun,
knife, sword, empty hand? Rejection of ill-formed tags at the API?
Please, quote me
Matt Amos writes:
I point to the +1 year age of the Noname proposal and recent
inactivity and suggest that convergance isn't happening.
maybe there isn't a need for convergence here? we've got a nonames map
to help mappers decide where their time might be well-spent.
And well-spent
Andrew Errington writes:
1) The street has no name (and you might hum a tune by U2)
2) The street has a name but it has not been recorded
Either way, it doesn't matter.
E, no, it really does matter.
If I am a map user then I can not intuit whether the name is missing, or
there
though that goal cannot be achieved. If you don't know
where you're going in the long term you'll likely go in circles in the
short term. Like this discussion.
Matt Amos writes:
On 10/3/09, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
you seem to be advocating for a tag with the sole purpose
Matt Amos writes:
On 10/4/09, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
No, that's not the sole purpose. See my reply to Andrew which you
should have already received.
so the purpose is to indicate to other mappers, including via the
nonames renderer and other debugging tools
Valent Turkovic writes:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:17:37 +1000, John Smith wrote:
I thought this was anything goes, why are you dictating something can't
be done?
I'm also puzzled why it can't be done by a comitee elected BY OSM
mappers?!? Why not?
It could ... but that committee
Dave Stubbs writes:
I was convinced otherwise by some very persuasive arguments and now
think it's completely not worth doing and not at all important.
I'm not convinced. Could you share them?
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Doctau created the following page, and various other people have
contributed to it.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/VotingOnTheWikiIsStupid
I don't think voting is stupid, but I do believe that voting is not
productive. Here's what I believe we should do instead of voting
I considered doing so, but this issue is larger than tagging. Do you
have anything to contribute other than stop energy to my suggestion?
Apollinaris Schoell writes:
can you move this thread to the new list where it belongs?
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Tobias Knerr writes:
Frederik Ramm:
(5) Never ever invent a tag that you don't have a concrete use for.
Never plan ahead, always wait until there are thousands of existing
tags that make creating a better solution harder?
I believe this to be a misconception. If there are five tags,
Note: this is a single reply to everyone who offered suggestions. If
anyone has any more suggestions, please make them, otherwise I'll put
this into the wiki and modify the voting documentation to say As an
alternative to voting, consider doing this instead. My hope is that
people will simply
Gilles Corlobé writes:
I propose to add a tag boundary=military
Where is this tag currently being used? Please point to several
examples so we can see what you mean.
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Gilles Corlobé writes:
This tag is not currently used. But it could be very usefull here :
http://osm.org/go/xXEahwWz--
Why wait? Tag boldly and document what you did in the wiki.
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Dave F. writes:
The just go ahead do it philosophy that some advocate just puts
errors into OSM that may not get fully removed, especially if they've
been around for a while have been copied by others.
Please go back to my proposed steps. What errors do you see defined
there? The only
Liz writes:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote:
Map it, tag it, and document it. Worry less about making a misteak,
and map more.
could we make research other tags in similar use be part of this list
and make the search process easier?
This google search has always worked for me
Liz writes:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote:
Before you propose a tag, you should be using it.
Why?
To show people how you're using it. http://osm.org/
Doesn't it make sense to ask around before using something -
someone may come up with a good example they are
Liz writes:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote:
or a simple reason why your tag is not good.
Could you list some simple reasons, please? I don't understand what
you mean by not good.
simple example
I tagged shop=lawyer
On this list someone said that they didn't think
Pieren writes:
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Why wait? Tag boldly and document what you did in the wiki.
No, no and no. If you are unsure or unhappy with existing tags, then
document, suggest and discuss before putting crap in OSM !
Why
Liz writes:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote:
simple example
I tagged shop=lawyer
On this list someone said that they didn't think that lawyer belonged in
shop but office=legal.
I saw that. Simply because someone else offered a different idea
doesn't make your
Gustav Foseid writes:
Is it a cafe? No. Should it be tagged as a cafe? No.
Clearly one could verify that the location seems to be a cafe. Thus
this is not a question about whether it should be tagged, but instead
how it should be tagged as a former cafe. May I suggest use of the
Nelson
Cartinus writes:
Nobody is changing any definitions. They are just using a combination of two
existing and widely used tags. Much, much easier than writing a proposal for
a new tag.
If it's obviously the right thing to do, then do it, and DOCUMENT IT
IN THE WIKI so that other people can
John Callahan writes:
Something I'm missing, once the data is in osm format, how do I get it
into OSM? Can I continue to edit the osm manually, such as with a
background image/WMS service? Is this where importing turns into
editing and I should use JOSM, etc...?
I've had good
Valent Turkovic writes:
http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=40148
what to do with OSM mappers like these guys in this post?
They say that they are using Google Earth images :(
A couple of points:
o Copyright gets infringed typically. Criminal copyright is a much
more
Pieren writes:
first category. Tracing on Google Maps or others is in the second
category and is copyright infringement. Point.
In reality, it isn't. It's factual information about the world, which
is not copyrightable in the USA, and given your sweat of the brow in
tracing it, is
Peteris Krisjanis writes:
Anyway, to resume all this discussion - PLEASE don't trace from photo
without permission for OSM, whatever your temptations are.
E, no. The USGS Digital Ortho Quads are in the public domain; no
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Ulf Lamping writes:
Russ Nelson schrieb:
Peteris Krisjanis writes:
Anyway, to resume all this discussion - PLEASE don't trace from photo
without permission for OSM, whatever your temptations are.
E, no. The USGS Digital Ortho Quads are in the public domain
Pieren writes:
Richard is convinced that the content of the photos is not protected
and I agree on that point. But he just decides to ignore all the
investments spent to rectify and georeference these photos on which
his derivative work is based. And this investment and work is
John Smith writes:
If you don't want to use such a features that's your pejorative, there
is plenty of features I don't use in JOSM, but other people would like
the option of being able to do this.
Plugin.
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Lesi writes:
In the last days no further problems appeared and it seems that all
helpful
suggestions are included now.
So let's start voting:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft
It would be nice if further votes would be more serious.
If you
Lesi writes:
I do not know which discussion you mean?
According to the wiki voting is still neccessary to approve a new feature.
What negative result do you fear would occur if somebody used[1] an
unapproved feature?
[1] That is, they tagged something as documented in the wiki, even if
the
Lesi writes:
If you think voting is silly, why do you not change the procedure
of approving new features in the wiki?
Because some people think that we should vote, and would be upset if I
removed the voting mechanism.
Based on what facts a feature will be approved then.
Well, the
Dave Hansen writes:
The standard OSM user tries to find their street first. The typical US
OSM experience has gone from, My street isn't there to My street is
crooked.
And soon it will go to My house is in the wrong location. In
parts of St. Lawrence County, New York, that's already the
On 12/11/2009 21:31, SteveC wrote:
That's half true. Nobody likes the uncertainty around CC, but
really they want us to be PD because they don't want to give any
data away. They'd love to suck it all in, improve it and then keep
the improvements. Just look at the current data set they're
different points and as far as I can see,
trolling.
On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Russ Nelson wrote:
On 12/11/2009 21:31, SteveC wrote:
That's half true. Nobody likes the uncertainty around CC, but
really they want us to be PD because they don't want to give any
data away. They'd love
Anthony writes:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some
people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.
no one is interested to cleanup crap after a bad import.
No one is writing this email.
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Andy Allan writes:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say
that it did more harm than good.
It did more harm than good.
No, it didn't.
Andy Allan writes:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
should I waste my time, as you folks in the UK have **been forced** to
waste your time reinventing an existing map?
Sorry, which map have we reinvented?
If OSM is better than OS, then you've
Shalabh writes:
Was mapping a few hiking trails with foot-only bridges on the trail and
could not figure out a way to mark these bridge since the only bridge
waypoint needs the same parameters as a highway.
Any pointers on how to do this best?
Sure. Any bridgey thing can be tagged
You don't have to fill in *anything* in a preset. If you don't, then
all of the optional stuff is left out and you only get the
bridge=yes tag, which is useful if you've forgotten.
Otherwise, you can just add it as an attribute. The typing completion
makes it very easy. Click on Add, type b
...
details left for speculation by the reader).
(Maybe it already does this, and it isn't working properly for
Potlatch for some reason. I haven't looked at the source or the API
docs for confirmation.)
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for that weekend, but it's my birthday anyway, so
perhaps I should stay home and have a quiet birthday party? I'm
thinking so.
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they
won't render on a large scale map. Sooner or later somebody who lives
there will notice their town is missing, and will set the correct size.
Sorry for by English
My Russian is worse, trust me!
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.com/User:RussNelson
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, and will correct it.
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I started in on a template for the use of mapping parties. It needs
improvement. Email your suggestions directly to me (happy to do the
edits and track down the details), or just edit the wiki page yourself:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_Party_Template
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. At $9 a pop, he's not excited
about too many experiments.
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Isn't that the function of openstreetbugs? Perhaps if you don't know
the size of a town, it should be marked there as Please correct the
place tag, currently set to village.
On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Upliner Mikhalych wrote:
2009/1/21 22:53 Russ Nelson::
Don't
sweat the small stuff
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