[OSM-talk] highway=busway (or alike) - second try - please vote

2008-01-08 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! When I read the voting result of highway=busway correct (voting was open for quite a while), the general idea of tagging this feature in a special way is undisputed. However, there is a dispute about the actual tag to be used. There are three alternatives: highway=busway highway=bus_guide

[OSM-talk] [voting] waterway=weir (as a way) - approved

2008-01-08 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi List! The voting about waterway=weir (being used also for ways - instead of only nodes as before) ended with 11 approvals and no disapprovals. I've accidentially approved it two days too early (scheduled for 2008-01-11), but I hesitate to revert the wiki changes, as there seems to be no dis

[OSM-talk] [RFC] shop = chemist

2008-01-08 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! There's an RFC about shop=chemist, please have a look at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Chemist On the wikipedia page about superdrug, I've found the term "health and beauty retailer" which might be a better term than chemist. I'm still pretty unclear about the

[OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features

2008-01-10 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! After - I think - three questions over the last months about historic=icon on this list - with no real response - I just removed it from the map features page. If some one comes up with a good explanation what this is we might put it back later, but in the meantime this was only confusing

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] shop = chemist

2008-01-10 Thread Ulf Lamping
David James schrieb: > On Wed, January 9, 2008 7:30 am, Ulf Lamping wrote: > >> There's an RFC about shop=chemist, please have a look at: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Chemist >> >> On the wikipedia page about superdrug, I'

Re: [OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features

2008-01-10 Thread Ulf Lamping
Tony Bowden schrieb: > Robin Paulson wrote: > After - I think - three questions over the last months about historic=icon on this list - with no real response - I just removed it from the map features page. If some one comes up with a good explanation what this is we might put

Re: [OSM-talk] voting closed, proposal approved - dam

2008-01-10 Thread Ulf Lamping
Robin Paulson schrieb: > voting has now closed on waterway=dam, with 14 approve votes, and no > object votes > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Dam > > it has been moved to the approved features page > > Is there a reason that you've not added it to the map features pa

[OSM-talk] [voting] man_made=wastewater_plant - approved

2008-01-10 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi List! The voting about man_made=wastewater_plant ended with 14 approvals and no disapprovals. I've moved it from the proposed to the approved pages and also added it to the map features page. Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetma

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging hierarchies

2008-01-12 Thread Ulf Lamping
Andy Robinson (blackadder) schrieb: > While we are talking about tags I want to thank all those who take the time > and effort to put up proposals and make comments on them. The process is > very useful in seeing what users need and wish to tag. Personally though I > feel the process is more compli

Re: [OSM-talk] proposal guidelines

2008-01-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Robin Paulson schrieb: > further to my e-mails last week concerning badly-documented proposals, > i've put together a proposals guideline page: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Creating_a_proposal > > could i get some impressions on it please? i would like it to be > fairly comprehensive

Re: [OSM-talk] election 1 Voting system prototype

2008-01-17 Thread Ulf Lamping
Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: > OK, I just coded up a little prototype. Consider this a small test of > the system. I propose to set up an osmvoting mailing list to which vote > proposals are sent. Subscribers will have to just insert one of the > following: > +1 > -1 > 0 > Hi! Unfortunately, th

[OSM-talk] [voting] shop=laundry

2008-01-20 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! The corresponding RFC is now more than two weeks ago, with no substantial problems shown up (since it was updated 2007-12-31). Voting is opened for the next two weeks at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Laundry Regards, ULFL __

Re: [OSM-talk] tag proposal categories

2008-01-20 Thread Ulf Lamping
Robin Paulson schrieb: > in an effort to make it easier for people to comment and vote on > current tag proposals, i've created a couple of new categories for the > wiki: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Category:Tag_Vote_Open > and > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Category:RFC_

[OSM-talk] [RFC] shop = beverages

2008-01-20 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! There's an RFC about shop=beverages, please have a look at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Beverages Unless there are substantial problems with this RFC, I'll start voting in about two weeks ... Regards, ULFL ___ tal

Re: [OSM-talk] Pillbox proposal approved

2008-01-21 Thread Ulf Lamping
Geoff Richards schrieb: > The voting period on my Pillbox proposal is finished (it's had two weeks > now), with 8 votes for and none against. I'll now do the necessary > editing and add it to the Map_Features page. > Hi! Please don't simply remove the discussion / voting from a proposal if it

Re: [OSM-talk] Pillbox proposal approved

2008-01-21 Thread Ulf Lamping
Geoff Richards schrieb: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 09:38:15PM +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: > >> Please don't simply remove the discussion / voting from a proposal if it >> get's aproved! >> > Sorry, I was just copying what others had done on previous pr

[OSM-talk] OSM in the press: Article about the finished TIGER import on linux.com

2008-01-23 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! Read for yourself here: http://www.linux.com/feature/125344 Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] highway=bus_guideway approved - after a "run-off ballot" :-)

2008-01-23 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! The second voting round of the bus guideway tag has ended at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Bus_guideway. As adding the feature itself wasn't really questioned after the first voting, this second round was about finding the best tag for it. The following was vote

Re: [OSM-talk] Nokia N810

2008-01-25 Thread Ulf Lamping
David Earl schrieb: > Has anyone got a Nokia N810? (This is a Linux internet tablet with a > built in GPS - http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578 - that someone mentioned > on this list a while back, and is now available). > > If so, how easy is it to get at the raw data and/or a GPX file for the > G

Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos v1.9 - poster printing OSM maps

2008-01-27 Thread Ulf Lamping
Igor Brejc schrieb: > Hello everyone, > > As I promised a while back, Kosmos can now print OSM maps on multiple > pages. For those interested more info is here: > http://igorbrejc.net/openstreetmap/kosmos/kosmos-v19-printing-maps-inspecting-elements-and-more > > Hi Igor! I just wanted to have

Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos v1.9 - poster printing OSM maps

2008-01-28 Thread Ulf Lamping
Igor Brejc schrieb: > Hello Ulf, > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Ulf Lamping <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Hi Igor! > > I just wanted to have a short look at the Kosmos source code, just out > of interest. But

Re: [OSM-talk] I've removed historic=icon from map features

2008-01-28 Thread Ulf Lamping
Marc Schütz schrieb: > I have now created two proposals: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/wayside_shrine > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/wayside_cross > Hi Marc! First of all, I'm not against putting these things into OSM as they often c

Re: [OSM-talk] Move tagging RfCs/voting to extra list?

2008-01-28 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: > At the time, I thought we had somewhat of a consensus that we should > either create an extra list or have one condensed "voting issues" > posting per week (or so). > I don't think that 'or' is the right word here. If we want to split these topics into a seperate list,

Re: [OSM-talk] Move tagging RfCs/voting to extra list?

2008-01-28 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: > Hi >> Simply move the proposal stuff into a different list without this >> posting is probably a very bad move, since this tends to become the >> "elitist circle" that most people want to avoid (including myself). >> > I don't consider the whole voting business "el

Re: [OSM-talk] Move tagging RfCs/voting to extra list?

2008-01-28 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: > Hi, > >> Well, if nobody wants to write digests, then IMHO it's just not a good >> idea to move to a seperate mailing list. >> > Well in that case I'd say let's just bin the whole voting process and > live happily ever after ;-) > Hopefully I'm too well behaved

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] filtering of tagging e-mails (was Re: Move tagging RfCs/voting to extra list?)

2008-01-30 Thread Ulf Lamping
Robin Paulson schrieb: > from now on, until someone creates an extra tagging list, i'll include > [tagging] in every tag proposals e-mail, to let those of you who > aren't interested, filter out this stuff easily. every e-mail client > has filter capabilities, so this shouldn't be a problem. > > i'

Re: [OSM-talk] "Crudely-drawn pint glasses"

2008-01-30 Thread Ulf Lamping
Alex S. schrieb: > Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > >> Try openclipart.org. [..] it's all public domain. >> > No, most icons there are not. Most do, however, have compatible > licensing. (There may be some "no commercial" stuff in there, so check) > I've checked various icons from the zip co

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagwatch

2008-01-30 Thread Ulf Lamping
Etric Celine schrieb: > Hi everyone, > > as you may or may not have noticed i have recently worked a bit on the > existing Tagwatch script and changed a few things. > > My changes includes > * the use of a template parsing engine and thus a better looking website > * use of the Osmarender 6 rules

[OSM-talk] OSM icons (was: "Crudely-drawn pint glasses")

2008-01-30 Thread Ulf Lamping
Igor Brejc schrieb: > Is there somewhere a repository of totally free general-purpose icons > such as this? I'm asking because I would like to extend Kosmos rendering > rules with some nice icons. > The collection of OSM icons in SVN [0] is quite usable and should contain most of what you nee

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM icons

2008-01-31 Thread Ulf Lamping
Igor Brejc schrieb: > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 2:39 AM, Ulf Lamping <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Would be nice if Kosmos would use the > same icons for the same things as JOSM does. > > P.S: I still consider Ko

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] request for more votes - power_plant

2008-02-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Robin Paulson schrieb: > this has been open for two weeks, and currently has 10 yes votes and 1 no > votes. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Power_plants > > could i request some more votes please, to push it one way or the other. > > unless ulf wants to re-consider hi

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] grouping simple tag proposals

2008-02-03 Thread Ulf Lamping
Robert Vollmert schrieb: > Hello, > > On Feb 3, 2008, at 20:20, Robin Paulson wrote: > >> taking on board one of Frederic's comments from last week: there are a >> lot of proposed 'shop' tags on the proposals page, something which is >> overwhelming and time-consuming to solve using our current

[OSM-talk] [tagging] confusion: tourism=zoo vs. leisure=zoo?!? Proposal differs from map features page!

2008-02-05 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! As someone pointed out on the german list. The zoo tag in map features is under tourism: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Map_Features#Tourism But the corresponding proposal is clearly using leisure: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Zoo or see:

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin icon for a bicycle

2008-02-07 Thread Ulf Lamping
Karl Newman schrieb: > Appallingly, that icon seems to be omitted from the Garmin POI types. > You'll have to substitute a different type, or maybe create your own icon. > Or maybe one of the bicycle icons from: http://www.gpsdrive.de/development/map-icons/overview_lic.en.shtml, especially http

Re: [OSM-talk] Lighthouses? Should they be rendering?

2008-02-09 Thread Ulf Lamping
Mike Collinson schrieb: > At 04:25 PM 9/02/2008, Lauri Hahne wrote: > >> On 09/02/2008, Dermot McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> PS: I'd still love to see those lighthouses we do map appearing on the >>> rendered output. >>> >>> >> Usually that requires pressuring the right g

[OSM-talk] Neuer OSM T-Shirt Vorschlag

2008-02-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! Ich hab mich auch mal in der hohen Kunst des T-Shirt Designs versucht ;-) Bei meinen Experimenten hab ich einiges ausprobiert, z.B. auch eine "bildliche Kausalkette" versucht - also Bilder von Satellit, GPS Receiver, Computer, Karte - das sieht aber dann irgendwie wegen der vielen Details

Re: [OSM-talk] Neuer OSM T-Shirt Vorschlag

2008-02-14 Thread Ulf Lamping
Ulf Lamping schrieb: > Hi! > Sh.., wrong list! Should have gone to the german one. Anyway, I've added a new OSM T-Shirt design, you may just follow the links ;-) Regards, ULFL > Ich hab mich auch mal in der hohen Kunst des T-Shirt Designs versucht ;-) > > Bei meinen

Re: [OSM-talk] How to correct logical errors in some effective way?

2008-03-01 Thread Ulf Lamping
Rahkonen Jukka schrieb: > Hi, > > When I am looking at the Scandinavian data loaded into PostGIS database with > the fine osm2pgsql utility (thanks, Artem) I can simply find hundreds or > thousands of logical errors in data. For example this is an excerpt from the > list of highway tags used in

Re: [OSM-talk] How to correct logical errors in some effective way?

2008-03-01 Thread Ulf Lamping
Colin Marquardt schrieb: > "Rahkonen Jukka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> When I am looking at the Scandinavian data loaded into PostGIS >> database with the fine osm2pgsql utility (thanks, Artem) I can >> simply find hundreds or thousands of logical errors in data. For >> example this is an

Re: [OSM-talk] How to correct logical errors in some effective way?

2008-03-02 Thread Ulf Lamping
Hi! Please don't count me on the "Perl regulars" ;-) As I've already said, these automated fixes have to be done very "sensible". However, last time I looked at tagwatch, there were already a lot more than 100 different typo fixes necessary - only in the german tagwatch list - without any "ac

Re: [OSM-talk] How to correct logical errors in some effective way?

2008-03-02 Thread Ulf Lamping
Alex S. schrieb: > Ulf Lamping wrote: > >> place_of_warship, ... >> > Shouldn't that be naval_yard? ;) > Hmm, full tagging should be: amenity=place_of_warship religion=military denomination=U.S.Navy ;-))) Regards, ULFL ___

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Voting - skyhook

2008-03-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Stephen Gower schrieb: > Voting is now open on the Skyhook proposal - please add your > support: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Skyhook > > s > I'm still not sure if this proposal was actually *intended* to discourage anyone spending his time to work on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Map_Features not loading

2008-03-09 Thread Ulf Lamping
Chris Hill schrieb: > The Map_Features page has really suffered. Having a single page with > a list of all the tags was easy to search, now there are various > places to search. Can we put it back to a single page plse. FULL ACK - the current page is a PITA! Regards, ULFL P.S: If the templates

Re: [OSM-talk] Map_Features not loading

2008-03-11 Thread Ulf Lamping
wiseLYNX schrieb: > Stephen Gower wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 12:54:53PM +0100, Pieren Pieren wrote: >> FULL ACK - the current page is a PITA! >>> +1 >>> I restored the single page. >>> >> -1 >> >> The full page has got way too long to actually be us

Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM connection timing out

2008-03-17 Thread Ulf Lamping
Gregory schrieb: > Hi Guys, > I'm trying to download data in JOSM and the connection attempt just > times out on me. I can get the xml from the api using my webbrowser(FF). Are you behind a proxy? If yes, you have to tell JAVA to use it. Regards, ULFL ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag proposal/approval system is too heavyweight

2008-03-19 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: > BUT: > > The way we usually do things around here is "those who do the work get > to decide how it's done". You are, and not for the first time, talking > about how to control what OTHERS do and how they do it (your example > is not whether you tag in miles or kilometres, b

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag proposal/approval system is too heavyweight

2008-03-19 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: >> Interestingly, your vineyard example is exactly working that way. YOU >> have decided that you want to have vineyards in the way you like it. YOU >> have implemented it into osmarender to be shown on the map. So in effect >> YOU "control how others do theirs" - by se

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Vote: Shooting

2008-03-19 Thread Ulf Lamping
Alex Mauer schrieb: > Voting is now open on tagging for the sport of shooting. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Shooting > > Please record your vote. > Page says: voting is not open yet, proposed for 2008-02-12 Regards, ULFL

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag proposal/approval system is too heavyweight

2008-03-20 Thread Ulf Lamping
Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: > Ulf, that is a crap argument. I know Fredrik well enough to say that > control is the least of his motives. ACK > What he is trying to convey is that > in most cases it just needs somebody to implement it the way we thinks > is right. And in doing so effectively provide

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag proposal/approval system is too heavyweight

2008-03-20 Thread Ulf Lamping
Dave Stubbs schrieb: > I think the problem is the use of the language in regard to the > feature itself. A single person approving of a tag is obviously fine, > but once a vote happens, and about 10 people approve of it, the tag > then becomes an Approved Tag... or at least some people think it > d

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM server down

2008-03-21 Thread Ulf Lamping
Mike Collinson schrieb: > Both http://www.openstreetmap.org/ and attempted JOSM download give > > 500 Internal Server Error > I had no problems trying both. ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mai

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC: railway=incline

2008-03-29 Thread Ulf Lamping
Andy Allan schrieb: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Alex Mauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sven Geggus wrote: >> > >> > To be serious, I don't like this pseudo object-oriented >> > railway:incline:traction= stuff at all. >> >> Huh? object oriented? It's like that in order to prevent

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik: amenity=bus_station

2008-04-06 Thread Ulf Lamping
Matt Williams schrieb: > On Sunday 06 April 2008 12:38:59 Steven te Brinke wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> The current mapnik rules will render amenity=bus_stop, but the map >> features define it as amenity=bus_station. >> > > Well, in my mind a bus stop and a bus station are different amenities.

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-07 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: > Hi, > > stumbled across a quote by David D Clark (of Internet > architecture fame) today. He said: > > "We reject: kings, presidents and voting. We believe in: rough > consensus and running code." > > Not that I'm into gurus and such but it's nice to see that I am

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting

2008-04-08 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: > Hi, >> Hmmm, you and some other guys effectively sabotaged voting several >> times. > This is not the first time you use the word "sabotage" in this > context. I think it's rather strong language; I have openly expressed > my opinion that's all. I just use the wording th

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

2008-04-27 Thread Ulf Lamping
Richard Fairhurst schrieb: > Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> Is the fact that Potlatch does live editing a design decision, or are >> there technical reasons behind it (i.e. it would be much more >> difficult to have a Flash editor with a "save" button)? >> > It's a design decision. If you do "bu

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