Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing the Open Brewpub Map

2010-07-21 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.dewrote: It is avaliable on: http://brewpubs.openstreetmap.de/ Nice. I just added three brewpubs. How often is the map updated? - Gustav ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Something that is available from an official online source but not verifiable on the ground should not - in my personal opinion - be included in OSM. No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on power lines? No named farms (unless the owner puts up a sign)? No names for peaks? Except for borders, all of those things are verifiable on the ground. I

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. Just out of curiosity, where do you live and who is putting signs on the peaks there? - Gustav ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: In the US, most of the peaks are marked at the trailhead you use to get to them. I think you will find that most of the peaks in the world are not accessible from trails. Try places like the Himalayas, Greenland, Antarctica,

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.comwrote: A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when it's a free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a larger city, which is not that uncommon in germany. Is it a cafe? No. Should it be tagged

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions

2009-10-08 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: what are your thoughts? I have a hard time seeing how any of these usecases can be anything other than insubstantial extractions. The database directive (article 15) says that Any contractual provision contrary to Articles 6

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - landuse=orchard

2009-09-30 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote: That would mean that Mapnik needs to be checking a secondary field to determine what to display. If the renderer doesn't do that, you will end up with a map that is poorer in the end. In your case, that would mean

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:13 AM, David Paleino d.pale...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't that defined as territorial waters, different from national border? It would be better to have both drawn -- but the territorial waters marked as boundary=maritime, or the such? Some info on tagging here:

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:48 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: Todo: Clean up to proposal and support in the most common renderers. Why do you want these to render exactly? They are rendered today, but visually the same as land

Re: [OSM-talk] National boundary vs. territorial waters (was: Re: How *NOT* to map)

2009-09-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:00 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/29 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: They are rendered today, but visually the same as land borders. I would Ummm they are? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-24.622lon=153.677zoom=10 Centre of the map

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-it] How *NOT* to map

2009-09-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: do you know which kind of grid the coordinates are in? My guess would be ED50. - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license status

2009-09-28 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fiwrote: Will all contents of OSM year 2009 database be in public domain first of January, 2025? The database directive gives 15 years of protection for a dump of a database. As long as the database is updated, the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New license status

2009-09-28 Thread Gustav Foseid
2009/9/28 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Better? :-) :-) - Gustav ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Seoul

2009-09-09 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: Actually, the convention is that objects should be tagged with four names. The 'name=*' tag is Hangul followed by English in brackets. This is the most important, as it is the 'fallback' tag for rendering a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: It isn't legal, because the locations are derived from Google Maps. This is basically a mashup based on Google Maps. I was unaware that Google have claimed any rights over POIs added in such mashups (Google My Maps

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Joel joelheeth...@gmail.com wrote: They do hold the rights to the location of the POIs when based on Google maps. I have tried to find something in their terms that verifies this, but have not found anything. Could you please be a bit more specific? Even if

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: In the strict (German) use case, you need to distinguish between bicycle=allowed/suitable and bicycle=road sign. This is not about marking a default, this is about describing the real situation precise enough to make deductions

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-12 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: highway=footway (not suitable) bicycle=yes (but allowed) bicycle=dedicated (signed) A footway for cycling is not a valid combination to me. In Norway you are allowed to cycle on all footways, unless explicitly forbidden. -

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-11 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Those eight people can only do this if not even 0.1% of the other 1 care enough to oppose the proposal. If that's the case, then apparently the proposal isn't so bad, is it? Why didn't all those people who

Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-11 Thread Gustav Foseid
2009/8/11 Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de This is a rather lenient definition that is unsuitable to depict the German use case. That is exactly the reason for the confusion we are having. If something is tagged as a cycleway and I am planning to walk on foot, I need to know whether it is an unsigned way

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural worldmapping ...

2009-08-10 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.comwrote: Looking at the discussion Mike Harris has already suggested the tags I would suggest, but I may as well repeat them natural=woodland land covered with trees (Minimum Crown Cover = 20%) Sounds like a good idea

Re: [OSM-talk] radioactivity

2009-08-10 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:21 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: isn't the issue here that radioactivity is like height, i.e. a smoothly-varying value that exists everywhere and is typically represented as gridded data (which gets converted to contours for display). Average yearly

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] highway=unclassified currently is too ambiguous, so here's my proposal to fix it.

2009-08-05 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:40 AM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm proposing not to replace highway=unclassified but to clarify it's meaning to be one thing, that is it has higher volumes of traffic than residential, but not enough to be considered tertiary. Then I propose to

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Maritime borders

2009-08-01 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: Ok, I am revisiting this. Both me and Gustav F (original writes of the proposal) was not satisfied with the outcome of the last vote (about 50/50), so I have rewritten the proposal based on many of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-07-21 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: On Tuesday 21 Jul 2009 19:37:15 Gustav Foseid wrote: I would prefer a combination of natural=trees for smaller areas covered with trees, typically within urban areas, and natural=forest for larger forests or areas

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Of course, determining whether your average bit of woodland in the UK is landuse or natural is fun, given that pretty much all of it has been carefully managed at soem stage over the past few hundred years! Why do we care

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:41 PM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cricketbatwillow/825730972/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sequella/425687849/in/photostream/ Ummm is it just me or do they both look like plantations used for logging? The only

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-07-20 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Surely the basic, universal need is there are some trees here, they're called Sherwood Forest? Evoke natural=wood (lakes and beaches also fall in between managed and unmanaged land but are marked as natural) Some trees

Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...

2009-07-20 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:10 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also thinking that deprecating both landuse=forest and natural=wood might be a good idea if this goes forward. Replace it with natural=trees, which is just as self-explanitory, and which (to this particular mapper)

Re: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global

2009-07-19 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Great stuff! I've been using keepright in London for a while now. The most common form of error is an almost-junction. It seems that many of these could be fixed automatically, subject to manual confirmation. Is there any

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia POI import?

2009-05-06 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: For over a hundred years, English courts have held that a significant expenditure of labour is sufficient - that's, er, Wikipedia saying that. Has there been any sweat of the brow cases after the database directive

Re: [OSM-talk] immutable=yes Fwd: DEC Lands

2009-03-09 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: *I* see OSM as an API for all possible geodata: everything that doesn't move, and a few things that do. There are arguably many things currently in OSM which should not be edited. For example, political boundaries at

Re: [OSM-talk] immutable=yes Fwd: DEC Lands

2009-03-09 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:24 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: What's needed here is not an immutable=yes tag but rather a couple of tags source=DEC and accuracy=definitive which will give GPS toting mappers the information they need to know that the data in OSM is likely to be more accurate

Re: [OSM-talk] Post tastsic questions of my own

2009-03-05 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:07 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Over IM and email I've had some really positive replies. There are a lot of you out there who personally responded that you liked my posts. You don't like the crappy negative tone of a lot of people. You think the license

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan - minimum-legalese option

2009-03-04 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22crown+copyright+and+database+right%22 Heh. My maps are too old to have this. That would be an uphill battle, but there is a chance you might win. If you have old digital map data, you might

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-04 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: They used the map to pin the locations - the points did not come from some other map. Therefore it is derived (this is precisely the problem with pinning pictures on a Google or OSM map). So if they put the data in a

Re: [OSM-talk] licence plan - Question about supplying own data

2009-03-04 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.ukwrote: If you were able to extract coordinates then this could be regarded as reverse engineering the Produced Work, in which case it's covered by 4.7 It is not done by You or on Your behalf. So you cannot make a map and

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:13 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: except that the ODbL does represent a fundamental change in licensing of map images - previously they were sharealike, but with ODbL it will only require attribution? That is hos the license is understood by most people,

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-03-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, wer-ist-roger juwelier-onl...@web.dewrote: The only thing I'm missing right now is a little more explenation on the wiki page. For example why needs the database a license at all? The database is nothing without the data init. So first of all why dose the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] compatibility with CC licenses

2009-03-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: There has been some discussion of adding a tag into the planet.osm header detailing that the data is licensed. Also adding some contract text on http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ to cover our non-eu-database-right

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] compatibility with CC licenses

2009-03-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Quoting 4.2 (b) [You must] Include a copy of this Licence [...] or its Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) [...] both in the Database [...] and in any relevant documentation Sorry, overlooked that. If this is in the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Factual Information License and Produced Works?

2009-03-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.comwrote: The ODbL says that one can release Produced Works under any license. The Factual Information License says that You must include a copy of this Licence with the Work in a location reasonably calculated to make others

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] compatibility with CC licenses

2009-03-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 2:10 PM, John Wilbanks wilba...@creativecommons.orgwrote: If Big Company decides to run a mechanical turk contest on Amazon to extract facts from your DB one at a time, do they violate the license without having ever signed it - can they possibly be bound by it if they

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: incompatibility issues

2009-03-01 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Not so, it turns out; the Produced Work freedom allows us to combine OSM data *only* with other data whose license does not prohibit the addition of constraints, because ODbL mandates that we add the reverse engineering

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A Creative Commons iCommons license

2009-03-01 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Not on the map per se, but if you use the map to re-create the original database then - at least that's what I was thinking! - you are not using your own database but you are (again) using the database compiled by the

[OSM-legal-talk] Me, You, the Licensor and the Contract

2009-03-01 Thread Gustav Foseid
The Licensor (as defined below) and You (as defined below) agree as follows: reads the beginning of ODbL. The Licensor is the natural or legal person the that offers the Database under the terms of this Licence. Who will be the licensor (owner) of the database for OSM? For the factual information

Re: [OSM-talk] rights of way and designation=*

2009-02-28 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Robert Vollmert rvollmert-li...@gmx.netwrote: I've had a look at tagwatch (unfortunately not terribly up-to-date) and documented this suggestion and current use at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:designation . Please flesh the page out! It'd be nice to

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: I think it's pretty unarguable that, in the UK, your tracing of the Peruvian lakes would merit copyright or similar protection (as sweat-of-the-brow). Both the UK sweat-of-the-brow and the Norwegian (and Dutch?)

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]

2009-02-24 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com wrote: Nick Again I find myself in almost complete agreement with you. I found highway=cycleway a particularly difficult concept given that bicycle rights are somewhat ill-defined in rights-of-way lore (notwithstanding the

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding architect names to buildings

2009-02-19 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Is the architect an attribute of the building or is the building an attribute of the architect? From a mapping perspective, I would say that the architect clearly is an attribute of the building. From an art history

Re: [OSM-talk] News blog link - to blogs.openstreetmap.org?

2009-02-17 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:18 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Because 80n knows the answers Frederik, this is called politics. But I, and many others, don't know the answer. I was asking a question. - Gustav ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Maritime borders - Voting - (boundary=maritime)

2009-02-17 Thread Gustav Foseid
After discussions on both the mailing list and the wiki we (that is myself and Skippern) have opened the proposed boundary=maritime for voting at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maritime_borders We think this is the best way suggested to tag the whole hiearchy of maritime borders, in a way

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of maritime borders

2009-02-17 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: I would suggest that maritime borders are not tagged the same way as land borders. Should we have a new tag for maritime borders? Stop tagging them? Ignore the problem? The proposal authored by Aun (Skippern) is now

Re: [OSM-talk] Greenland street and aerial geodata to OSM

2009-02-16 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:43 PM, GIS g...@asiaq.gl wrote: Asiaq Greenland Survey holds a repository of digital geodata: orthorectified imagery of towns and villages and overview maps with streets, buildings, footpaths, shoreline, lakes etc. They can be seen on http://en.nunagis.gl by

Re: [OSM-talk] News blog link - to blogs.openstreetmap.org?

2009-02-16 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: As you both know several years of work went in to that blog, and not just by me. Maybe you should both think twice before dismissing it all. For those of us who don't know... Who contributes to the news blog? What is the

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-02-12 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: Can you show me how to make rendering rules (I am mostly interested in Mapnik, but any renderer will do as a proof of concept), which does not draw a border line along the coastline of Germany and at the territorial waters

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-02-09 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Actually the best we have is the actual tagging in the database. Works wonderfully. I disagree. Can you show me how to make rendering rules (I am mostly interested in Mapnik, but any renderer will do as a proof of

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-02-09 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:07 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Tagging the appropriate parts with maritime=yes or something would add valuable semantic information about these borders. It would also then make it very easy for renderers to suppress them or render them differently. One of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-02-09 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: You have probably not read the posting to which Jochen refers. It is here: Read, but not understood (even if I did try...) It distinguishes between boundary=administrative (which would denote the political

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-02-09 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Simple rendering without need for the relation has been taken care of in the comprehensive proposal by tagging the ways with admin_level. What else do you need? You have taken care of the wrong part of rendering. It is easy

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-02-09 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: But! There always is a but, isn't there. :-) When I look at popular maps, a very common thing is to only paint part of the map boundaries in the water. Normally only out from the coast for a few kilometers and maybe

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-02-08 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: This is not intended to solve all problems with tagging of maritime borders, just as a temporary way to tag these borders without causing bubbles around all coastlines in all general purpose renderers. Some more progess

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:smoothness

2009-02-01 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.comwrote: I think the page needs to be put back to the regular map features standard. I disagree. There are a number of features listed as approved without being on map features. This should alse be tha case for

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:smoothness

2009-02-01 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:43 PM, sylvain letuffe li...@letuffe.org wrote: A tag should be IMHO on the feature page as long as it's potential use covers a lot of object in the database where a lot of mapper might be in touch with. Should we have a page detailed mapping of roads or something

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki: chriscf vandalism

2009-01-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Disagree strongly - it depends entirely where you're mapping. I doubt I've ever come across anywhere where smoothness= might be relevant while mapping Burton-on-Trent (well, maybe one road which the flipping Gas

Re: [OSM-talk] West African mangrove forests and PGS coastlines

2009-01-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Landsat also produces images outside of the visibile light spectrum, perhaps looking at these others could help? (How to access these, and if it really works I don't know). I downloaded Landsat images of Banjul from

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-01-04 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Ugh. Can we (ping steve8) get some way of tagging this differently so it _doesn't_ show? It looks really, really ugly. As a temporary solution, I suggest that until a proper tagging scheme for maritime borders are

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-01-01 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.comwrote: In other news, I've converted the 12nm line around the UK and Ireland to be fully tagged, so it's now showing in its own bubble on the mapnik render. In my mind, these halos around al islands, are in itself a good

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2009-01-01 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout klep...@gmail.comwrote: boundary=maritime? or something like: boundary=administrative admin_maritime=territorial ? - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2008-12-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote: Some land borders, e.g. between Ireland and the UK are like that. No border control. It is not exactly the same. Anyone (say a person from Morocco or Colombia) is not allowed to walk across Ireland on his way to the UK

Re: [OSM-talk] Maritme borders

2008-12-31 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 1:26 PM, D Tucny d...@tucny.com wrote: I'm not exactly up on laws, rules, treaties and agreements etc regarding borders and controls, but, is this not about politics? If Someone from, using your example, Morocco, flies to the UK via Ireland, they also won't need to go

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of maritime borders

2008-12-30 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: Have they been tagged as national borders or just as boundary=administrative? If it's the latter why is this an inappropriate use of the boundary=administrative tag? Exclusive economic zone and territorial waters

Re: [OSM-talk] google wms

2008-12-24 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: Hard validation wasn't the point. The point was to make the user think twice, just as with Richard's comment on using GPSBabel to convert KML to GPX, then having to munge it to add timestamps. You can bypass such a check

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: That's the sort of thing automated renderers have difficulty sorting out. Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P (I would hazard a guess that San Jose has a larger economic impact, though.) I have suggested that

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: You're still missing the point about San Jose--it's larger in both area and population (and probably in economic activity as well), and is located within an hour's drive of San Francisco, but San Francisco is better

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: Sure it is. If a lot of people want to live in a place, in general that should make it more notable. Besides, I was only suggesting using population as a tiebreaker for equal place key values. It's not the final answer,

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik

2008-12-18 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Perhaps something could be done similar to boundary with so many admin_levels and some sort of default mapping from the existing 4 places to their new numeric equivalent (a bit like footway and some combination of tags

Re: [OSM-talk] N2000 database from Statens kartverk

2008-12-12 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: Can someone who speaks Norwegian and is familiar with the map data copyright situation in Norway please take a look at this user talk page, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jensens#Kart He claims that they

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: Who is the licensor / whose database is it?

2008-12-11 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Temporary files (or information arranged in memory) in your computer are considered databases, so I'd go with option 1. To be protectec under the database directive, you need to make a significant investment for the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Removal of CC-SA-BY licensed data from OSM after ODbL takes effect

2008-12-10 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible for CC to offer a licence transition clause for large scale open geodata projects in the same way the FSF has offered an FDL - BY-SA get out for Wikipedia in the current minor FDL revision? Well... If I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Removal of CC-SA-BY licensed data from OSM after ODbL takes effect

2008-12-10 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: That would entail arguing that map data is uncopyrightable while at the same time transitioning the OSM map data to a new copyright license. It's not feasible. Database protection can exists even if copyright

Re: [OSM-talk] Updated view of 'A year of edits on OSM' and also Santa's Routes!

2008-12-10 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know Norwegian, but the best translation of Gråsonen that I can come up with is grey zone. Gråsonen or grey zone is a disputed area between the (undisputed) exclusive economic zones of Norway and Russia. In my

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Pieren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. What I suggest is to keep the current place key as a first argument to prioritize places and use either population or admin_level as a second argument in case the first is equal. So if Paris is declared twice as a place=town

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a very bad idea IMHO. This is just trying to fix what's wrong with the town/city/village tags with more of the same tags. In my opinion, the main problem is that it lacks granularity. I have no way to say this town is

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Pieren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is coming because the name finder gives the same importance to Paris, USA and Paris, France (or something like that). Instead of making more artificial granularity on the place hierarchy which is just moving the

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag this unknown barrier

2008-12-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
2008/12/2 Miriam Tolke [EMAIL PROTECTED] mapping some areas here I came across some barriers in several places which in my opinion don't fit in those described in [[Map Features]]. I've uploaded a photo to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Unknown_barrier.jpg. How do you tag this?

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag this unknown barrier

2008-12-02 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Miriam Tolke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tagged it as bollard before and yes, it comes near. But I think at least from the meaning of traffic_calming=chicane mentioned in the other answers it might even better. I would say that a chicane is designed to slow

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki map features

2008-11-25 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Sebastian Hohmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Even if the tag is horrible, it has been voted on and should thus stay on Map Features. Or should just everyone edit the wiki without regard for others. The tag is, in my opinion, very_horrible, but that is besides

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on the wiki map features

2008-11-25 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Ralf Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the tags that are being rendered by Mapnik or [EMAIL PROTECTED], if somebody makes a list of those I would put them on the wiki somewhere close to the renderer. This is because of two reasons: a) If a tag is not

Re: [OSM-talk] Anyone familiar with Pulkova 1932 coordinates?

2008-11-22 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Tim Waters (chippy) [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: This website may help? http://spatialreference.org/ref/epsg/?search=Pulkovo Thank you for the link. It seems Pulkovo 1942 variants are much more used, than 1932. The main difference seems to be that they changed

Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey tries to reinforce its stranglehold over derived geographic data in the UK

2008-11-20 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:14 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: and the letter from OS which provoked it: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/docs/use-of-google-maps-for-display-and-promotion.pdf To me it seems that OS is broadening it's business into the seriously overstating rights trade...

[OSM-talk] Anyone familiar with Pulkova 1932 coordinates?

2008-11-20 Thread Gustav Foseid
I got the official coordinates for all the border stones and markers along the Norwegian-Russian border. The points are taken from the official protocol, and are in Pulkovo 1932 coordinate system. Does anyone have experience in working with this coordinate system or know how to transform the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering of paths + place=locality in general

2008-11-05 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in that case we better find another solution which can tell what tags programs will try to support. Actually, a page like map features which documented such things would be good. But the current craze on the wiki is to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] A really quick poll

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:21 AM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) Would you like OSM to always be inferior to TeleAtlas and Navteq and probably die (PD license) b) Would you like OSM to be the best map on the planet (viral license)) c) This requires more than 90 seconds thought, please let

[OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map understand them? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8815lon=10.8767zoom=14layers=0B00FTF

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Bernt M. Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Østensjøvannet seems ok, but Nøklevannet is missing on the Mapnik rendering. Is that the problem? Sorry, my mistake. Yes, the problem is Nøklevannet. - Gustav ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering

2008-11-03 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: With two seperate relations I presume, one for the wood, one for the lake. Offhand I think osm2pgsql should get this right in slim mode (non-slim has its own problems). Do you have an example? It is reported as

Re: [OSM-talk] Recent changes to slippymap Mapnik rendering

2008-10-29 Thread Gustav Foseid
Is there anywhere I can find the stylesheet used for the main Mapnik layer? - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD vs SA: The eternal battle

2008-10-22 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:00 PM, bvh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple I think we have heard enough of what Apple have done, might have done, probably would have done and have not done for a while. Could we again start focusing on a license for the OSM database? - Gustav

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