[OSM-talk] Save the date: State of the Map Europe 2023

[joost schouppe]

Hi all,

Because there is no global State of the Map event this year, we at
OpenStreetMap Belgium have decided to set up a State of the Map Europe
instead!

The event will be in Antwerp, Belgium from Friday November 10th till Sunday
November 11th.

There will be space for 500 participants, with two main tracks as well as
the usual unconference part of the event. Online participation will be
possible.

We will keep you posted on our website https://stateofthemap.eu/

Get in touch with the team via i...@stateofthemap.eu* if you have any
questions, suggestions or offers of help.

-- 
Joost Schouppe & Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] 'losse' wegen

[joost schouppe]

Dag Meannder,

De oorzaak lijkt me dat iemand al de opritten heeft ingetekend als vlak,
maar zonder ze te verbinden met de rest van de weginfrastructuur. Dat ziet
er wel mooi uit, maar het is volstrekt zinloos voor navigatie. En als je
dus een woning hebt die nabij verschillende wegen ligt, dan gaat de oprit
niet helpen om dichter bij je bestemming gestuurd te worden. Alleszins is
de foutmelding wel terecht: er zijn hier talloze verkeerseilandjes
gecreëerd.

Mvg,
Joost

Op zo 20 dec. 2020 18:44 schreef meannder :

> Dag-ga-dag,
>
> In Zwevezele zijn, al een aantal maanden, ontelbaar veel
> 'niet-verbonden' wegen te zien op
>
> https://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=16=51.0357=3.2121
>
> Zijn dit schoonheidsfoutjes -toch niet te zien op de map-, de moeite om
> op te lossen  en desgevallend... HOE (zonder uren werk)?
>
> groet, meannder
>
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[OSM-talk-be] MapComplete OSMbe project page

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

If you don't know MapComplete yet, go and read this - it's a pretty darn
awesome tool that pietervdvn has been developing:

https://hackmd.io/AevWR99NTYm-jPhc3nnEUw

We would like to add this to the OSMbe projects page at
https://openstreetmap.be/en/projects.html

If you have an hour to spare: could you improve my English? Would you make
a Dutch or French translation?
(it's written in markdown; you need to connect an account of your choice to
be able to edit)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OpenStreetMap Belgium - Mapper of the Month - Diseret

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Thank you for taking the lead on this project, Pierre!

Op zo 29 nov. 2020 om 15:20 schreef Pierre Parmentier <
pierrecparment...@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
> Our Mapper of the Month is on
> https://openstreetmap.be/en/motm/2020/11/15/diseret.html.
> <https://openstreetmap.be/en/motm/2020/11/15/diseret.html>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] reddit AMA with some OSMF Board members. 15:00Z 9 Nov

[joost schouppe]

I think this is really an upside down reading of what is happening here. Of
course we will make an active effort to do our main communications on open
platforms. But it would be totally absurd to refuse an invitation to talk
to people, just because their channel isn't 100% open. That would
effectively mean Board members cannot talk to anyone or at any place that
isn't 100% open and equally accessible to all - so for example, not a
single physical event would be possible.

Christoph's solution isn't hard: any day is AMA on OSMF-talk, so just ask
your questions already. Tag them AMA, and I'll post them to spanholz.
Afterwards, we can totally copy the contents of the thread on some wiki
after the event.

If there's another place that wants to set up a chat with members of the
Board, our doors have never been more open.

Op vr 30 okt. 2020 om 11:24 schreef Christoph Hormann :

> By quoting the board statement i did not really intend to argue with the
> authors of said document about the exegesis of it - that would be kind of
> pointless.
>
> What i want to express is that this is a good practical case study how
> much commitment the board members have in their practical communication
> with the OSM community to open communication channels and platforms.  As
> (like you and Martin point out) individual board members but still in their
> capacity as board members and not as a group of private individuals.
>
> We have a saying in German that goes "wie man in den Wald hineinruft so
> schallt es heraus".  So if the board boldly advertises their commitment to
> open communication channels and then holds an exclusive event on a
> proprietary platform said board will have a hard time dealing with
> corporations boldly communicating their commitment to OpenStreetMap,
> community rules, OSMF policy, the license or similar things but then
> practically not living up to said promises from the perspective of the
> board or the OSM community.
>
> Language can be a powerful tool of social interaction but your ability to
> use it to that effect depends on you having and maintaining the reputation
> to be earnest, concise, well-defined and dependable in your communication -
> not only from your own perspective but also from that of the recipients of
> the communication.  If people have the impression that they cannot rely on
> what you say - and it does not matter if that is due to them misreading
> your communication or you being vague in it - you loose the ability to
> effectively communicate with people.  As a result you would massively
> narrow your social horizon to those people who are culturally close and
> like-minded to you.
>
> Back on subject - the solution to the problem here to be able to reach out
> to people on reddit who are more comfortable there than on open platforms
> while not being exclusive in my eyes could be fairly simple - you just
> allow questions on both reddit and open platforms and you post answers on
> both equally as well.  Yes, that is additional work.  But commitment
> without inconveniences is ultimately not really commitment.
>
> We even have a practical reference for Q in the OSMF context on open
> platforms by the way.  Before the board decided there to be a need for
> moderation (which was never re-evaluated afterwards by the way) in the
> lead-up to the board elections we had open Q on the OSM wiki with the
> candidates.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata for cemetery in Namur

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

I don't see why not, if you follow the
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
Basically: make sure the data is good and is imported in a decent way; make
sure the community isn't opposed to it; check the license; discuss on the
import mailing list

As for the license, the CC-BY link on that page refers to CC-BY-4.0, which
unfortunately does mean you need an extra waiver for use in OSM.
More details at:https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/

Good luck,
Joost

Op vr 30 okt. 2020 om 21:53 schreef DJ_frombelgium :

>
> The city of Namur as publish a map of every grave in her cemetery
>
>
> in french
>
> https://www.rtbf.be/info/regions/namur/detail_namur-une-cartographie-detaillee-des-35-000-sepultures-namuroises?id=10619526
>
>
> https://www.namur.be/fr/ma-ville/amenagement-du-territoire/cartographie/cartographie-en-ligne/cimetieres-en-ligne
>
> Data are here
>
> https://data.namur.be/explore/dataset/namur-cimetieres/custom/?disjunctive.cimetiere_vegetal
> in CC-BY
>
> Every grave (35.000) are draw with a reference number and the family
> name of people inside.
>
> In OSM, there a page for grave
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cemetery%3Dgrave
>
>
> Could i import the data in OSM ?
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] waymarked or not?

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 Not everyone agrees and there are some
>>> non-waymarked routes in OSM because nobody, not even me, dares to remove
>>> them.
>>> > Anyway, that rule/guideline is getting in trouble because some
>>> official routes are not waymarked anymore.
>>> > Provincie Vlaams-Brabant enlarged the 'wandelnetwerk Getevallei', but
>>> the new nodes and routes are not waymarked anymore (too expensive). But
>>> there is a map, a website and an app. [1]
>>> > The municipality of Profondeville has the project '1000 bornes' (40
>>> parcours pour vélos de route et VTT): only gps-tracks on route-you. [2]
>>> > More will probably follow (or perhaps already exist).
>>> >
>>> > So, what do we do? Or where do we draw the line? Because the line
>>> between what can be considered as official routes or not, could (in the
>>> future) become very thin. Or what do we do with the 'Randonnées en Boucle'
>>> (SGR)? What if Natuurpunt/Natagora starts with 'virtual' walking routes?
>>> >
>>> > What is your opinion?
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > StijnRR
>>> >
>>> > P.S. The new map of 'wandelnetwerk De Merode' has OSM as background
>>> layer. Thanks to everyone who contributed.
>>> >
>>> > [1]
>>> https://www.toerismevlaamsbrabant.be/pagina/werken-wandelnetwerken/
>>> > [2] https://www.profondeville.be/loisirs/sport/1000bornes
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Hoppin / Mobipunt

[joost schouppe]

Hi Jo,

I'm missing a main tag on that relation. I don't know if any similar
concepts are mapped elsewhere, but I couldn't find anything. Perhaps we
could tag them with public_transport=mobipunt or something like that?

Op ma 28 sep. 2020 om 17:34 schreef Jo :

> Hi,
>
> I wanted to map our shiny new Hoppin points meant to group sharing
> facilities for bicycles and cars + public transport.
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11683352/history#map=16/50.8633/4.7005
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11683353#map=18/50.86545/4.69504
>
> are my first attempts.
>
> I used a site relation, because we already have tags for the amenities
> that form part of the group. They are supposed to be concentrated in a
> 'point', but sometimes the bus or train stops are a bit further away.
>
> There should also be a sign, possibly with a map on them, but I didn't map
> those yet.
>
> For those I thought of
>
> tourism=information
> information=board
> maybe
> board_type
>
>
> Any comments?
>
> Jo
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] regional cycle routes in Brussels

[joost schouppe]

Thank you Jo!

Op do 3 sep. 2020 om 10:41 schreef Jo :

> I had a look at them after downloading them using Overpass API and started
> making them continuous where they were 'broken'. So I went ahead and also
> converted them all to rcn.
>
> Jo
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Jo  wrote:
>
>> Hi Joost,
>>
>> In Flanders it depended more on topology than anything else. We used:
>>
>> lcn: for loops
>> rcn: for the numbered node networks, this logic was taken to rwn and rhn
>> later on
>> ncn: for long routes going from A to B (LFx) and then later for the Fxxx
>> cycle highways
>> icn: for European routes going from A to B
>>
>> In Brussels rcn doesn't seem to be used and those routes are
>> topologically more similar to the numbered routes system used in Flanders
>> and Wallonia.
>>
>> I agree with you that it makes more sense to tag them as rcn.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:14 AM joost schouppe 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was always a little confused that the regional cycle network is mapped
>>> as lcn in Brussels. Since this network is organized by Brussels-the-region,
>>> not Brussels-the-city, it seems logical that it should have the rcn tag. In
>>> fact, more so than the Flemish cycle node network, which is composed of
>>> several networks and almost by coincidence covers the region.
>>>
>>> This is also what we say in the wiki:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute
>>>
>>> But the example given there (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623
>>> I believe), is now mapped as an lcn.
>>>
>>> Looking at the edit history, it looks like there was a minor edit war
>>> about this, where user RoRay repeatedly changed it from rcn to lcn
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663
>>> (RoRay is still mapping, still using the not-very helpful default
>>> changeset description "update")
>>>
>>> User BenoitL tried to change it back to rcn (with much better changeset
>>> comments :) - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599), but I
>>> guess he gave up. Polyglot later seems to have mapped most of the other
>>> routes; my guess is he just went with lcn because that's how the others
>>> were mapped.
>>>
>>> Apart from the network not showing up when it should on some maps, it
>>> doesn't really matter much. However, bxl-forever is now mapping -actual-
>>> lcn routes in the Brussels region, operated by Anderlecht municipality.
>>> Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325
>>> Putting both types of routes in the same level is just wrong IMHO.
>>>
>>> Can anyone provide some more context? Based on my own research, I'd
>>> suggest we simply retag all the regional operated routes from lcn to rcn.
>>>
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[OSM-talk-be] regional cycle routes in Brussels

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

I was always a little confused that the regional cycle network is mapped as
lcn in Brussels. Since this network is organized by Brussels-the-region,
not Brussels-the-city, it seems logical that it should have the rcn tag. In
fact, more so than the Flemish cycle node network, which is composed of
several networks and almost by coincidence covers the region.

This is also what we say in the wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Cycle_Routes#Itin.C3.A9raires_Cyclables_R.C3.A9gionaux_-_Gewestelijke_Fietsroute

But the example given there (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9623 I
believe), is now mapped as an lcn.

Looking at the edit history, it looks like there was a minor edit war about
this, where user RoRay repeatedly changed it from rcn to lcn
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/8141976
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12902663
(RoRay is still mapping, still using the not-very helpful default changeset
description "update")

User BenoitL tried to change it back to rcn (with much better changeset
comments :) - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/12849599), but I
guess he gave up. Polyglot later seems to have mapped most of the other
routes; my guess is he just went with lcn because that's how the others
were mapped.

Apart from the network not showing up when it should on some maps, it
doesn't really matter much. However, bxl-forever is now mapping -actual-
lcn routes in the Brussels region, operated by Anderlecht municipality.
Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11544325
Putting both types of routes in the same level is just wrong IMHO.

Can anyone provide some more context? Based on my own research, I'd suggest
we simply retag all the regional operated routes from lcn to rcn.

Best,
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Funding of three infrastructure projects : Nominatim, osm2pgsql, Potlatch 2

[Joost Schouppe]

 Hi,

The Board has decided to go ahead with funding these proposals; vote
results are at
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2020-08#2020.2FRes38_Funding_of_projects_used_in_core_infrastructure_.28Nominatim.2C_osm2pgsql.2C_Potlatch.29

For those on talk who are not yet a member of OSMF - if you want a more
direct say in decisions like this, join the OSMF as a member! Details here:
https://join.osmfoundation.org/

Best,
Joost
OSMF Board secretary

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 2:28 AM Guillaume Rischard 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The OSMF Board wants to facilitate and support improving infrastructure.
> During the Microgrants process, there were proposals that didn’t make it,
> but would together be a good pilot for a “OSM infrastructure” process, to
> learn how supporting osm infrastructure projects works well.
>
> The OSMF Board wants to fund a limited number of projects proposed by
> trusted long-term volunteers whose work we know and enjoy. We have selected
> the osm2pgsql and Potlatch microgrant proposals, and have a new proposal
> from Nominatim.
>
> In the long term, we want to re-activate the Engineering Working Group
> (EWG) by making it a place for decision making, project guidance and budget
> management for such projects.
>
> The Board would like your feedback on these three specific infrastructure
> projects:
> Nominatim
>
> Nominatim is the geocoding software that powers openstreetmap.org and
> many other apps and websites. Sarah wants to work on:
> 
>
>-
>
>finishing the localization efforts (improve address computation for
>different countries, localized address output)
>-
>
>making the software more user-friendly (reduce the number of
>programming languages by at least two, move side-projects into separate
>repos, reorganise the code so that Nominatim can become an Ubuntu package,
>docs, docs, docs)
>
> The full proposal is at 
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Nominatim_project_2020-07
>
> Potlatch 2
>
> Potlatch 2 used to be the default editor before iD took the relay. While
> usage is declining, it’s still used by 2500 (1.4%) users who did 10
> million (1.2%) changes in 2020.
> 
>
> Potlatch is built in Flash, which browsers will retire by the end of the
> year. Richard wants to adapt Potlatch 2 to the AIR platform so users who
> still rely on it can continue to use it.
>
> The full proposal is at 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Microgrants/Microgrants_2020/Proposal/Potlatch_2_for_desktop
>
> osm2pgsql
>
> osm2pgsql loads OpenStreetMap data into databases suitable for
> applications like rendering into maps, geocoding with Nominatim, or general
> analysis. It is used on openstreetmap.org and in many other places.
> 
>
> While there has been constant paid and volunteer work on osm2pgsql, large
> scale architecture changes to pay off historical technical debt are needed
> to tackle long term challenges, and make future changes easier.
>
> Jochen wants to work on:
>
>-
>
>Hosting documentation on osm2pgsql.org
>-
>
>Rethinking the output of the program to make it more concise and
>useful
>-
>
>Tackling the refactoring and cleanup of the “middle” code.
>-
>
>Ongoing maintenance as needed
>-
>
>Other work from the road map as time permits
>
> The original budget and scope were limited by the microgrant framework.
> The current project goes beyond that, and addresses open issues and
> potential improvements further and better.
>
> The proposal is at
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql_project_2020-07
>
>
>
> Thank you and happy mapping
>
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[Talk-us] OSM-US local chapter application

[Joost Schouppe [OSMF secretary]]

Hi all,


You may be aware that *OpenStreetMap US, Inc.* has applied to become an
official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part of the
application process, we would like to ask you, *the local mapping community*
how you feel about this. Do you support this application? Do you have any
questions, comments or concerns?


You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
the OSMF website:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/United_States


We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (Sept 5th 2020).
You can reply to this thread, send a message to board (at) osmfoundation.org,
or use the wiki talk page here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/Local_Chapters/Applications/United_States
I am looking forward to hearing your responses.

We will also share this message on Slack and the forum.


Thank you to the OpenStreetMap US team for this submission.


Best regards,

Joost Schouppe
*Secretary*
*OpenStreetMap Foundation*

Name & Registered Office:

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[OSM-talk-be] join the OpenStreetMap Foundation

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Hi,

The OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF) is there to support the OpenStreetMap
project. It has usually taken a bit of a minimalist interpretation of its
role - but with increased pressure on the project (slow tiles being the
most visible), the current Board is taking a somewhat more active approach.

For an overview of what we did since the last elections, have a look here:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/apm-wa/diary/393843

If you want to help set the course of the OSMF, you should join as a
member. This gives you access to the central discussion platform, and the
right to vote on Board members and special proposals.

We have just finished implementing a significant membership reform: until
now, membership was based on paying a fee, or "proving" you couldn't pay a
fee. That has changed: you can still pay a fee if you want to (or make a
more significant donation :)), but now it is enough to be a significant
contributor to the project to get you "Active Contributor Membership". That
contribution can either be 42 days of mapping over the last year, or some
other contribution (like organizing events or building software or ...).

Currently there's only about 1500 people making these decisions, so your
joining can have a significant impact on the project!

All the info is here:
https://join.osmfoundation.org/active-contributor-membership/

Most of the actual work in the OSMF is done by the Working Groups. We can
use all the help we can get: writing policy proposals, handling tickets
about vandalism or membership applications, working on our communication
outreach, ... For an overview of the groups here:
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Server Notification 8/18/2020 1:07:45 p.m.

[joost schouppe]

Just a reminder, a list of all the Belgian channels is here:
https://openstreetmap.be/en/contact.html

Most activity is on the Matrix (accessible with Riot/Element and IRC) chat
channel. The Forum also has some movement.

Op wo 19 aug. 2020 om 09:36 schreef :

> Please keep the mailing list.
> It is not high volume, it allows searching trough archives, it is easy to
> acces (no login, extra software), easy to invite someone (software
> developer, gouvernement official, ...)
>
> Op 19 aug. 2020 om 09:15 heeft Jonathan Beliën  het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> 
> I think we already have enough "channels" to add a new one (not mentioning
> that a new Discourse instance will need someone to maintain/manage it).
>
> This mailing-list is working well and the spam filter in Mailman seems to
> work really well ; this spam got through because I (in a wrong move) let it
> through.
>
> Sorry again.
>
> Jonathan Beliën
>
>
> Mer 19 août 2020, à 08:55, Thibault Molleman a écrit :
>
> I do love Discourse forums, but I do wonder if it's somehow overkill for
> this application
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 07:36 Matthieu Gaillet  wrote:
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> Nice try. 郎
>
> Anybody thinking like me that this mailing list should be moved on a
> modern, full featured BBS ? I really love Discourse for example. I’m ready
> to help.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Cyclofix project

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g the
> project more user-friendly and approachable!
>
>
> Thanks for the kind words and with kind regards,
> Pieter Fiers
>
>
> On 05/08/2020 00:39, Morten Lange wrote:
>
> Congratulations on a nice project and a useful one !
>
> For a long time I have wished for a user-friendly bicycle repair specific
> map, including bicycle cafés.
>
> What I miss in the Cyclofix project is an easy-to find definition of how
> you classify the nodes that are to be included in the differewnt map
> "layers".  Which search is it that produces the bicycle cafés. (And what
> takes precedence if two or more criteria are fulfilled?)
>
> I agree with making a distinction between "pure" bicycle shops  and
> general sport shops that offer bicycles or  repair of bicycles.
> However, the way Cyclofix has decided to differentiate is not self-evident
> to me, after briefly checking your documentation. I must admit that I did
> not really consider looking at the source-code  ;-)
>
> --
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> Morten Lange
>
>
> On Wednesday, 29 July 2020, 19:43:38 CEST, Pieter Fiers
>   wrote:
>
>
> Dear OSM community,
>
> My name is Pierre Barban. A team composed of three very motivated
> students, including myself, and lead by two active members of the
> OSMbe, have been mandated by the region of Brussels, Belgium, to create a
> map gathering all kind of data related to cycling. Without a doubt,
> OpenStreetMap was the perfect tool for us to create a powerful platform
> that would sustain over the years.
>
> In the framework of month-long online code camp organized by the
> non-profit Open Knowledge Belgium <https://be.okfn.org/>, we have been
> able to establish the first version of the tool
> <https://cyclofix.osm.be/map/>, organized a mapathon
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5dVjDt5QAE> to collect data, and create
> a complete website <https://cyclofix.osm.be/> to document the entire
> making process.
>
> In accordance with the OSM core values, it would be very valuable for our
> project as well as our individual learning process to receive as many
> constructive comments from the community as possible. If you're interested
> in more details about the project, we will be giving an online
> presentation
> <https://www.eventbrite.be/e/open-summer-of-code-2020-demo-day-live-streaming-registration-112787885602>
>  tomorrow
> July 30, 2020 at 1pm CEST. We will be available to directly discuss after
> the presentation to receive feedback in order to keep improving our
> project. Other related project from our program, Open Summer of Code
> <https://osoc.be/>, like the Bike Data Project - which aims to collect
> and share cyclist commute data in an opened way - will also be presented to
> you.
>
> Please do not hesitate to contact me for further information,
>
> thank you for your time and help.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Pierre Barban, from the Cyclofix project.
>
> *Sent by Pieter Fiers  , another
> student of the team.*
>
> *Pierre Barban*
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

While I don't mind disused:* and razed:* to keep these kinds of paths
somewhere in the database, it is my impression from previous discussions
that there is some consensus that paths that are really, really gone
(there's a building on top; or there's a lot of fences or overgrowth; it
doesn't re-appear from time to time) do not belong in OSM at all. Then
again, I've never seen anyone make a real effort to clean them out of the
database.

When someone starts adding a lot of this kind of path as an actual highway
type, then they should be stopped.

Mathieu,
You say "He denied reverting the changeset, arguing that mapping those
paths was a way to put pressure on the Commune and the owner in a
discussion about the openness and accessibility of surrounding paths for
the general public. He promised to delete the date once the case will be
closed."
I only see one changeset discussion, so I assume you discussed this in
private messages? If you make a few changeset comments, maybe some other
people can join the discussion there. Hopefully we can still change their
mind about this; if not we'll need to revert some changes.

Best,
Joost

Op do 6 aug. 2020 om 22:36 schreef Matthieu Gaillet :

> Good point.
>
> A search led me to this discussion
> https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/6728/tagging-historicunsignedunmaintained-trails
>  which
> emphasizes the use of the disuse: or abandoned: prefixes.
>
> Matthieu G.  (en mode mobile)
>
>
>
> Matthieu G.  (en mode mobile)
>
> Le 6 août 2020 à 22:15, EeBie  a écrit :
>
>  Hello,
>
> In my neighbourhood somone mapped paths and ways that don't exist anymore.
> I didn't want to delete his work complete and
> deleted highway=path and replaced it by  historic=path and left
> name=Voetweg SLH°82. In this way the path isn't visible in the usual map
> but it is visible in an editor and in an eventual special historic map.
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
>
>
> Op 6/08/2020 om 13:00 schreef joost schouppe:
>
> Hi,
>
> The example Wouter showed hurt my eyes too much, so I have deleted some
> bits; I marked a few that maybe exist as fixme:highway for now. The user
> also didn't snap roads to the rest of the road network properly.
> If they don't respond to comments, we might have to consider a user block.
> A convincing argument for them to do the work properly could be that we
> might be forced to just revert all their work.
>
> Best,
> Joost
>
> Op do 6 aug. 2020 om 10:45 schreef Wouter Hamelinck <
> wouter.hameli...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Let me start by saying that I have all the sympathy for the aims of the
>> mapper. I also have been working with communities to keep vicinal ways
>> open. I am also aware that certain ways are only accessible certain times
>> of the year due to vegetation etc. Even if a path is not visible at the
>> moment you pass there, it might be at other times of the year. In general I
>> advocate leaving paths through fields (even plowed) that are legal rights
>> of way. My reasoning is that as soon as you pass with a small group a kind
>> of path will be visible. On the other hand, if the legal right of way
>> crosses buildings, gardens, canals... it makes no sense to put those in
>> OSM. Nobody will ever follow those.
>>
>> With that in mind, I've taken a look at some of the changesets that you
>> linked to. I didn't like what I saw. People who want to check only one
>> example, this is a good one: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/833838389
>> There is no place in OSM for that kind of legal fiction. Even not knowing
>> the situation on the ground, it is clear to me that nobody will try to
>> follow that track. So I would say to revert changes like that.
>>
>> As for the arguments of the mapper:
>> * Putting something in OSM does not put any pressure on the owner. Nobody
>> will be impressed by the argument "you have to keep the way open because I
>> just put it on a website where everybody can put things".
>> * It makes the data in OSM useless. The tracks in OSM are used on a daily
>> basis by many, many hikers. The presence of legal fictions in OSM makes it
>> useless for them. They don't care where they should be able to pass in
>> theory. They want to know where they can pass in reality.
>>
>> In conclusion, the mapper is trying to have some very dubious advantage
>> for his personal use and by doing that makes the data useless for all other
>> users. For me it is clear that those ways should be removed.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Wouter
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 8:21 AM Matthieu Gaillet 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Recently 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

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.
>>
>> I don’t want to start a fight with that user because he’s really doing a
>> great job at preserving the right of use of those heritage vicinal ways by
>> confronting the Communes against those unfair owners. I would like to show
>> him some string arguments to explain him why his initiative is not good for
>> the community (If that’s the case).
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
>> Matthieu Gaillet
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Properties sitting in the corner of streets

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Hi Mehmet,

This isn't something we would map in OpenStreetMap itself. I'm sure on GIS
fora you will find hints on how to do this analysis.

Two more strategies off the top of my head:
- download the parcel data (see
https://www.geo.be/catalog/details/tt098dcb-f5c7-49b8-8e0b-7c3811630d85?l=en)
and use that in combination with your other data. You could keep just the
sides that do NOT share a border with other parcels. Then for every
subsegment of the border, find the nearest street. If the parcel has more
than one different nearest streetname, it might be on the corner. You might
even look at angles of subsegments to rule out false positives and false
negatives
- simply look at the addresses on this building. Sometimes corner houses
have an address from both streets. Or look at the addresses of the nearest
buildings (use streets as barriers)


Op vr 31 jul. 2020 om 11:19 schreef mehmet ali abdulhayoğlu <
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> Hello everyone,
>
> I am trying to predict house prices in Flanders and Brussels. As I know,
> whether a property sits in a corner of a street plays an important role in
> the predictions. So far I tried to spot them via street intersections using
> some OSM shape files. However, it turned out that it is a quute challenging
> task and I have failed. So I was wondering if OSM has already such info for
> Belgium ?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
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Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

[Joost Schouppe]

Hi,
Have you discovered
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_for_Government ?
It collects projects where governments seek closer integration with OSM.

One in particular comes to mind: "An Open Summer of Code (osoc) project to
building a tool to compare and maintain OSM cycle routes with the official
ones"

When it comes to the ever-present "but what if someone changes MY data!"
worry, I usually say:
- if data had a tendency to deteriorate once in OSM, how come our data is
getting ever better?
- it's totally possible to write software to monitor the evolution of
"your" data in OSM all the time
- you could validate "your" data in OSM at set time X, then keep a copy of
that around as your "authoritative copy". At time X+1 compare your copy to
the now evolved OSM data. Fix in OSM if needed, make a new extract.

Best,
Joost


On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:32 AM Greg Dutkowski 
wrote:

> Thanks, I'll check it out.
> Greg Dutkowski
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>
>
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 12:48, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>> Richard Fairhurst posted something very relavent to this topic at this
>> https://twitter.com/richardf/status/1285590975511957504 in particular
>> http://theodi.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2020-05-Providing-data-to-OpenStreetMap.pdf
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 14:52, Greg Dutkowski 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Bicycle Network Tasmania are trying to improve the quality of cycling
>>> infrastructure information in OSM.
>>> Much has been done by volunteers in various jurisdictions, and we have
>>> done lots locally, but the tagging is quite complex for cycle paths and not
>>> always correct.
>>> Local councils are responsible for much of the infrastructure, but they
>>> usually have little interaction with OSM.
>>> It would be most efficient if the councils GIS data worked in tandem
>>> with OSM data so that they kept each other up to date, each storing the
>>> info that is most useful for them. For instance, for bike parking, there is
>>> little utility in OSM storing the asset numbers and other info that the
>>> councils use to maintain their assets (although the ref tag could be used
>>> as a foreign key to help keep the two in sych).
>>> The Hobart councils we work with are concerned with the quality of the
>>> data in OSM and the ability of anyone to change it.
>>> Does anyone know of any examples we could learn from of local government
>>> itself working to keep OSM data up to date?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] administrative boundaries - municipalities - gemeenten - communes

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Hi Pierre,

When I had some questions about this, I looked deep into the history of the
boundaries, and got a rather detailed answer from QuercE. But this was
mostly about part-municipalities in Flanders, so I don't know if it's of
much use to you.

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>
> Is anyone still in a position to give the references of the sources
> available at the time of the introduction into OSM of the communal
> boundaries in Belgium?
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Renderen van addr:flats

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Sander,
I absolutely agree with this!
However, as much as I am a fan of CRAB, I don't really trust the
subaddresses. They caused me way too many headaches when I still worked in
the city of Antwerp. Anecdotally, I've surveyed one building for
subaddresses near me, and there was zero correlation between what was on
the post boxes and what was in CRAB. So while I agree the info is useful, I
wouldn't recommend importing it. And a cursory glance at the data shows
that almost all addr:flats we have, are in fact imported. See
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/V7K - the vast majority here has the tell-tale
source:geometry:date tag from the GRB import; the ones I checked that
haven't seem to be CRAB-imports.

Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 14:59 schreef Sander Deryckere :

> You can do things with that data besides rendering or using it as a route
> location.
>
> If the data is more or less complete, you can process it to get the number
> of addresses on a street or in an area (for example, if you want to
> distribute a folder to the entire street).
> Or as a postal service, you can check if that address needs a flat number,
> and suggest a list of flats to the users.
>
> Like that, I always considered the values worth to be in OSM, even if it's
> all on the same door/building. Though it's obviously a lot less important
> than housenumbers.
>
> Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 14:47 schreef Marc M. :
>
>> if one building have 2 entrance, it's useful to describe with entrance
>> need to be used to reach this flats number.
>> but having all flats number on the building or on one-only entrance,
>> is like "to reach the inside of the building, reach the building".
>> it's a bit like adding entrance=yes on the building to say that a
>> building has an entrance somewhere, you don't add any real information.
>>
>> so at this place, I would not have added any addr:flats which would have
>> solved the problem of rendering :) I will only use it in the case of a
>> building with more than one entrance, and so addr:flats on the entrance
>> does not disturb the display of addr:housenumber for the whole building.
>>
>> Le 15.06.20 à 13:55, Lionel Giard a écrit :
>> > The tagging is correct, it is just not supposed to be on area from the
>> > wiki perspective. But indeed I don't see why it is incorrect when a
>> > building is only containing this series of flats and only one entrance ?
>> > And if that's incorrect why are they rendering addr:flats on area and
>> > not node ?! ^^'
>> >
>> > Le lun. 15 juin 2020 à 13:32, joost schouppe > > <mailto:joost.schou...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
>> >
>> > Most of this data comes from the GRB import, I would guess. So it
>> > comes from CRAB. We use the addr:flats to map the "subaddresses".
>> > It seems a little weird to not be able to add the subaddresses on
>> > the same object that has the main address.
>> > The CRAB import tool mentioned this as an optional tag, that is not
>> > so useful for OSM:
>> >
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AGIV_CRAB_Import#Optional_tags.2C_provided_by_the_tool
>> > I would concur that the quality of the data is not good enough to
>> > import it.
>> > Both examples come from endless_autumn, who did a rather
>> > quick-and-dirty GRB import - a lot of which was reverted.
>> > The GRB-import-validator Midgard made actually flags the flats tag
>> > as "consider removing" as well.
>> > That said, the wiki doesn't say much about the logic of
>> > "subaddresses", maybe we shouldn't use the addr:flats tag -at all-
>> > for subaddresses?
>> >
>> >
>> > Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 09:22 schreef Sander Deryckere
>> > mailto:sander...@gmail.com>>:
>> >
>> > Hmm,
>> >
>> > it seems indeed that, according to the wiki, this should not be
>> > placed on areas.
>> > However, I expect that in all these cases, all flats are
>> > accessible behind the same door.
>> > So correcting the tag will have the same effect.
>> >
>> > Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 09:12 schreef Marc M.
>> > mailto:marc_marc_...@hotmail.com>>:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Le 15.06.20 à 08:23, Sander Deryckere a écrit :
>> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.87528/4.69102
>> >
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/499694374
>> > t

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Renderen van addr:flats

[joost schouppe]

Most of this data comes from the GRB import, I would guess. So it comes
from CRAB. We use the addr:flats to map the "subaddresses".
It seems a little weird to not be able to add the subaddresses on the same
object that has the main address.
The CRAB import tool mentioned this as an optional tag, that is not so
useful for OSM:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AGIV_CRAB_Import#Optional_tags.2C_provided_by_the_tool
I would concur that the quality of the data is not good enough to import it.
Both examples come from endless_autumn, who did a rather quick-and-dirty
GRB import - a lot of which was reverted.
The GRB-import-validator Midgard made actually flags the flats tag as
"consider removing" as well.
That said, the wiki doesn't say much about the logic of "subaddresses",
maybe we shouldn't use the addr:flats tag -at all- for subaddresses?


Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 09:22 schreef Sander Deryckere :

> Hmm,
>
> it seems indeed that, according to the wiki, this should not be placed on
> areas.
> However, I expect that in all these cases, all flats are accessible behind
> the same door.
> So correcting the tag will have the same effect.
>
> Op ma 15 jun. 2020 om 09:12 schreef Marc M. :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Le 15.06.20 à 08:23, Sander Deryckere a écrit :
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.87528/4.69102
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/499694374
>> this look like a mistake :
>> wiki :  marking range of numbers of flats behind a door,
>> but the object isn't a door, it's a building
>>
>> maybe osm.carto should avoid to render tagging mistake and target
>> only node and maybe only with entrance or door tag
>>
>> Regards,
>> Marc
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Changing default maxspeed for Brussels in 2021

[joost schouppe]

Hi Yves,

Sounds good. We'll need to update at least these pages:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Maxspeed#Belgium
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed#Belgium

Have you given it any thought how we might organize the update efficiently?
I thought perhaps the ways now tagged with source:maxspeed=[something
urban] could be bulk-edited after the change, but it looks like many of
those roads might actually change to explicitly signed 50 during the
transition. So I'm thinking we need to review ALL the roads with a maxspeed
again after the change. To do that, maybe we could take a dump before the
change and use that for some sort of mapping challenge, or add a tag to
indicate that the maxpseed should be reviewed (the risk being that people
might correct the maxpseed and not remove the tag).

Best
Joost

Op zo 10 mei 2020 om 22:25 schreef Yves bxl-forever <
bxl-fore...@linuxmail.org>:

> Hello, folks,
>
> As of January 2021, Brussels will change the default maxspeed on urban
> roads to become an all-30-kph city.  This goes for the entire
> Brussels-Capital Region (161 km²).
> Basically, the idea is the following:
> * no speed roadsign will mean 30-kph
> * on the main roads there will be C43 signs with a 50-kph limit (or
> possibly 70-kph on the biggest ones); those signs are to be repeated after
> every intersection.
> * living streets (20-kph) or pedestrian areas are left untouched
> * motorways are left untouched
>
> The good point is that it will be much easier than now—for drivers and for
> mappers alike—to know whether 50 or 30-kph applies somewhere.
> I will no longer use BE:urban because it’s not the same in every Region.
>
> May I suggest the following tagging scheme
> * maxspeed=30 + source:maxspeed=BE-BXL:urban
> * maxspeed=50 (or 70) + source:maxspeed=sign
>
> What do you think?
>
> Cheers.
> Yves
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[Talk-ar] aplicación Geolibres - Local Chapter

[Joost Schouppe]

Hola tod@s,

Posiblemente ya saben, Geolibres está aplicando como para ser Local Chapter
de la OpenStreetMap Foundation. Como parte de este proceso, queremos saber
qué opina la comunidad local de maperos. Les parece bien? Tienen
cuestiones, comentarios o preocupaciones?

Toda la información sobre la aplicación está aquí:

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Argentina

Estaremos recolectando información por 14 dias, empezando hoy, 4 de Mayo.

También estaremos en contacto con el grupo Telegram OSM Argentina.

Se puede responder acá o con un correo hacia board at osmfoundation.org

Muchas gracias a Geolibres por hacer la aplicación.


Hi all,


You may be aware that Geolibres has applied to become an official Local
Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part of the application
process, we would like to ask the local mapping community how they feel
about this. Do you support this application? Do you have any questions,
comments or concerns?

You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
the OSMF website*: *
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Argentina

We will be collecting responses over the 14 days starting today, May 4th.

We will also contact the Telegram group.
You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
I am looking forward to hearing your responses.


Thank you to the Geolibres team for this submission.


Best regards,

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[talk-au] OSGeo Oceania Local Chapter application

[Joost Schouppe [OSMF secretary]]

Hello OSM people of Australia,

You may be aware that OSGeo Oceania has applied to become an official Local
Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. We would like to know how the
various OSM communities of Oceania feel about this application. Have you
heard of OSGeo Oceania? Do you like and support them? Would you want to
join them?

Please share your opinion, questions, comments or concerns! You can do so
here, or contact us privately. I am sending this message together with Rory
McCann. Because we live as far from Oceania as is possible on this planet,
we will be sending out messages to a sample of active mappers in the region
to get a feel of the region. Feel free to send us a private message at
rory.mcc...@osmfoundation.org and jo...@osmfoundation.org.

You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
the OSMF website:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Oceania .

The group's page is at: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania

We will keep the discussion open for 30 days, starting today, May 3rd.

Looking forward to your opinions, and thank you to the OSGeo Oceania team
for applying!
All the best,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Telenav Mapping Project

[joost schouppe]

Hi Adrian,

Looking forward to your help! Do post here or on our Riot when you start
the real work.

Error fixing is always helpful. Having looked at the Improve OSM tools, I
don't see how it could help you much? OpenStreetCam is rather limited in
Belgium (most of us contribute to Mapillary instead, but the day someone
provides a server that feeds both projects, I'm sure we'll switch to
that!). And for the Cygnus tool, you need government data. There is road
geometry, but the differences are largely because the official data is
lagging. I'm not aware of Brussels traffic sign data.

Best,
Joost
p.s. I really enjoyed CLuj Napoca when I was there many years ago

Op do 23 apr. 2020 om 11:46 schreef Adrian Budugan <
adrian.budu...@telenav.com>:

> Hello Joost,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your reply and for the info provided. Considering that we
> will be working remotely, we are always checking the history of the edits
> before making any changes. We also decided to first rely on notes, as you
> suggested, and edit only where we are 100% sure.
>
>
>
> We will be fixing errors  using the Keep Right tool and add one ways and
> turn restrictions using Improve OSM.
>
>
>
> We will keep in touch as much as it is needed and thank you again for your
> feedback.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* joost schouppe 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:14 PM
> *To:* OpenStreetMap Belgium 
> *Cc:* Adrian Budugan 
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Telenav Mapping Project
>
>
>
> Hi Adrian,
>
>
>
> To add to that, there's an overview of all the channels at our local
> chapter's website: https://openstreetmap.be/en/contact.html
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fopenstreetmap.be%2fen%2fcontact.html=E,1,6kwsDd2Yju2zANx8QqyDeIpPgudJlWTFGSk2vDYWqv-tFHc3MdQSguWOma8B215cFAKxQyUfim9cGWnc0Ix45aiFaEOM-fMBhfvI62g7LcNGPFQbRF441CYB9JBh=1>
>
>
>
> We have decent Mapillary coverage, but are constantly looking to get more
> and better cameras for our volunteers (hint, hint).
>
> There is good and recent imagery (properly indexed both in the imagery
> layer index and the JOSM index). There are also good basemaps from the
> government, which you can use for mapping.
>
>
>
> As always, both imagery and basemaps can be outdated - sometimes OSM is
> ahead, sometimes it isn't. There's quite an active community, so be mindful
> of the last edit date on object (I should know, I recently messed up
> JanFi's work).
>
>
>
> What data will you be basing your edits on? I would think that Brussels is
> mapped pretty well, so it might be hard to improve remotely.
>
> It might be useful to start off with just Notes, so that we can review
> them locally. That might avoid any editing conflict.
>
> I think the most active mapper in Brussels is bxl-forever, might be useful
> to engage him directly.
>
>
>
> Joost
>
>
>
> Op wo 22 apr. 2020 om 20:01 schreef Pieter Vander Vennet <
> pieterv...@posteo.net>:
>
> Hello Adrian and Telenav-team.
>
> Welcome in Belgium, the more support, the merrier.
>
> First of all, there is quite an active community in Belgium - I'm one of
> them, as are several others. As already mentioned, the matrix-chat is an
> excellent way to reach out to us and have questions answered quite fast -
> please join us here: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#osmbe:matrix.org
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2friot.im%2fapp%2f%23%2froom%2f%2523osmbe%3amatrix.org=E,1,ZGkjBhrLWkoupaR9yIk86KcQhWoz7dIRHHQIhynjwPUyZM7AtLEHNTtG4XoOIe6vMoTPy5YVYARE5VaR51HpCmFo6U_hKpYs6455_jpr5fdoWEs,=1>
>
> Second, I was wondering where you are based - the best way to map is by
> using local knowledge and by running around to see what the situation is.
> Also, being here IRL will allow us to meetup or to get in touch with the
> OpenKnowledge Belgium - they do great work for Open Source and Open Data.
>
> However, I presume that you will mostly be doing remote work, based on
> official data and mapillary streetview. This too can be useful, but the
> situation of Brussels is quite volatile and might change a lot. Don't be
> afraid to to ask us (or a local) to check up on the situation.
>
> At last, a lot of cyclists are using OSM in Brussels - the company I work
> for even hosts  a professional cycle route planner for the city. Please, be
> careful not to break it. Especially when adding 'oneway=yes', this might
> force the routeplanner to consider this oneway *for cyclists as well.*
> Please, if it is clear that cyclists are allowed to go both ways, add
> 'oneway:bicycle=no' or, even better, add the appropriate cycleway tags
> ('cycleway=lane', 'cycleway=track', ...)
>
> Kind rega

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Telenav Mapping Project

[joost schouppe]

 Hi Adrian,

To add to that, there's an overview of all the channels at our local
chapter's website: https://openstreetmap.be/en/contact.html

We have decent Mapillary coverage, but are constantly looking to get more
and better cameras for our volunteers (hint, hint).
There is good and recent imagery (properly indexed both in the imagery
layer index and the JOSM index). There are also good basemaps from the
government, which you can use for mapping.

As always, both imagery and basemaps can be outdated - sometimes OSM is
ahead, sometimes it isn't. There's quite an active community, so be mindful
of the last edit date on object (I should know, I recently messed up
JanFi's work).

What data will you be basing your edits on? I would think that Brussels is
mapped pretty well, so it might be hard to improve remotely.
It might be useful to start off with just Notes, so that we can review them
locally. That might avoid any editing conflict.
I think the most active mapper in Brussels is bxl-forever, might be useful
to engage him directly.

Joost

Op wo 22 apr. 2020 om 20:01 schreef Pieter Vander Vennet <
pieterv...@posteo.net>:

> Hello Adrian and Telenav-team.
>
> Welcome in Belgium, the more support, the merrier.
>
> First of all, there is quite an active community in Belgium - I'm one of
> them, as are several others. As already mentioned, the matrix-chat is an
> excellent way to reach out to us and have questions answered quite fast -
> please join us here: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#osmbe:matrix.org
>
> Second, I was wondering where you are based - the best way to map is by
> using local knowledge and by running around to see what the situation is.
> Also, being here IRL will allow us to meetup or to get in touch with the
> OpenKnowledge Belgium - they do great work for Open Source and Open Data.
>
> However, I presume that you will mostly be doing remote work, based on
> official data and mapillary streetview. This too can be useful, but the
> situation of Brussels is quite volatile and might change a lot. Don't be
> afraid to to ask us (or a local) to check up on the situation.
>
> At last, a lot of cyclists are using OSM in Brussels - the company I work
> for even hosts  a professional cycle route planner for the city. Please, be
> careful not to break it. Especially when adding 'oneway=yes', this might
> force the routeplanner to consider this oneway *for cyclists as well.*
> Please, if it is clear that cyclists are allowed to go both ways, add
> 'oneway:bicycle=no' or, even better, add the appropriate cycleway tags
> ('cycleway=lane', 'cycleway=track', ...)
>
> Kind regards,
> Pietervdvn
>
>
> On 22.04.20 13:08, Adrian Budugan wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am Adrian and I am part of the Mapping Team at Telenav. Our team
> started an editing project in Belgium to make OpenStreetMap more
> navigable and accurate in guidance.
>
> We will start editing in Brussels at the end of April, next week. There
> are more details here -
> https://github.com/TelenavMapping/EU_mapping_projects/issues/4.
>
> We will focus on one ways, turn restrictions, road geometry and quality
> assurance.
>
> We we'd love to hear your advice on any local mapping guidelines, besides
> the general OSM mapping ones (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page
> , http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features).
>
> Also, we appreciate any hints regarding available local or government data
> that we might be able to us or anything else that might come in handy.
>
> If there are any other OSM communication channels for Belgium, please let
> us know.
>
> If you have any questions or comments, please let me/us know.
>
> We are looking forward to hearing from you.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] cycling allong the R4 in Gent

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

These tagging issues always make me uncomfortable :)

Against "use_sidepath" in this case:
- it's a trunk road, so no cycling anyway (Wouter)
- the cycle path can be seen as just a path that happens to be near the R4;
it doesn't -really- have a relation with the road itself (escada on Riot)
- the confusion with the part that DOES have a cycle path shouldn't happen;
that shouldn't be a trunk road! (Wouter)

In favour of the use_sidepath:
- it clearly shows there's an alternative
- there's several roads mapped as trunk in Belgium that do have a cycle
path. Should we change all of them? And if we change our minds (or someone
else just changes things again), then the cycling info might suddenly be
useful again
- it makes it slightly easier to understand the situation when mapping

Since there is no clear opposition to use use_sidepath in this case, I
think I'll change it to that.

Joost

Op do 9 apr. 2020 om 20:35 schreef Pieter Vander Vennet <
pieterv...@posteo.net>:

> Hey everyone,
>
> We are doing a lot of cycle route planning. 'use_sidepath' is a very clear
> hint to us and interpreted as 'don't use', in order to force the cyclist
> over the cyclepath just next to it. So please, do add them!
>
> Mvg, Pieter
>
> On 09.04.20 12:27, Jo wrote:
>
> Since both the highway and the cycleway are separate (mostly parallel)
> 'entities' in OSM, I think it does make sense to use bicycle=use_sidepath.
> For routing purposes, it's probably not needed, while editing in JOSM and
> for highlighting using MapCSS it is handy to have the tags directly on the
> objects they apply to.
>
> Jo
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:00 PM Wouter Hamelinck <
> wouter.hameli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> All three are correct in my opinion. Tbh, I've never really understood
>> the use of use_sidepath. The only case where it contains really helpful
>> information for me is when that alternative is not mapped. But then there
>> is a more efficient solution...
>> But I don't really have anything for or against any of the options.
>>
>> The third option is correct, but is a little uninformative, especially
>>> since you actually ARE allowed to cycle on some parts of this same R4
>>>
>>
>> Isn't the first question here if they should be trunk if you are allowed
>> to cycle?
>>
>> wouter
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[OSM-talk-be] cycling allong the R4 in Gent

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

When working on a data extract for the Gents Milieu Front, I stumbled opun
this situation:
On most of the trunk part of the R4, you cannot cycle.
This is expressed in the following ways:

bicycle=no (example https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/306470852)
bicycle=use_sidepath (example https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146891504)
no explicit tagging (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/222886580)

Here's the entire stretch with color coding:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/SBQ

The first is correct, but doesn't tell you whether there's a decent
alternative
The second is probably correct, and is quite useful for the analysis we
happen to be making
The third option is correct, but is a little uninformative, especially
since you actually ARE allowed to cycle on some parts of this same R4

As today's data consumer, I'd prefer the second option to be universally
applied. II would strongly prefer some consistency though. What do yall
think about this?

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Re: [OSM-talk] fixme=name

[joost schouppe]

John,
I created a bunch of those a few years back, when I was still young(er) and
(more) naive. Someone had gone and mapped a bunch of villages with the
equivalent of name=village. Instead of just removing the name, I also added
a fixme to highlight the issue. Someone did point out after the fact that
that was useless - I just hadn't realized it.

Op do 12 mrt. 2020 om 14:12 schreef john whelan :

> I'm seeing a fair number of settlements with this fixme tagged on them and
> I'm not sure what the logic is.
>
> I would have thought it is fairly simple to search for place=village
> without a name tag or am I missing something?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] CyclOSM one year anniversary

[joost schouppe]

Congrats on the anniversary :)

I am really happy with this map - it's not just useful for planning trips,
but also for bicycle advocacy work, as well as for convincing people who
need to make policy decisions that OSM data is what they need.

Op za 29 feb. 2020 om 18:03 schreef Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com>:

> Hello everyone 拾
>
> I'm happy to announce the new version of CyclOSM v0.3.4.
> It's been one year we're developing this new cycle map, and six months
> since we have a world rendering on www.cyclosm.org thanks to
> OpenStreetMap France.
>
> Our aim is still to create a map that can be used every day by every
> cyclists.
> We're trying to exploit the OSM data the most possible to propose the more
> detail cycle features and help people to map.
>
> I'd like to present you a short change list of the work done this last six
> months:
> v0.2
> Now rendering highway=path with bicycle=designated almost as a cycleway
> and if there is segregated=yes, then as a cycleway with a footway border.
>
> v0.3
> Render cycleway=shared_lane in the same way as a shared busway. Both are
> third-quality cycle infrastructure.
> Add an icon for fords.
> Distinguish covered bicycle/motorcycle parkings.
> Now uses a semi-transparent layer for hillshading.
>
> v0.3.2
> Fill in grey roads without bicycle access.
> Render man_made=water_tap + drinking_water=yes as a drinking water point.
> Render man_made=monitoring_station + monitoring:bicycle=yes
> Render aerialway.
> Render motorways where cycling is allowed in very pale red.
>
> v0.3.3
> Draw motorroads as not cyclable.
> Render access/bicycle=private roads as not bikable (grey).
>
> v0.3.4
> Render amenity=charging_station designed for bicycles.
> Render administrative boundaries.
> Add conditional text along the way for
> bicycle|vehicle|access|motor_vehicle:conditional.
>
> Full change log can be found here:
> https://github.com/cyclosm/cyclosm-cartocss-style/releases
>
>
> The map is now available by default in the following smartphone
> applications:
> OSMAnd
> OpenMultiMaps
> All-In-One Offline Maps and AlpineQuest Rando GPS
>
> You can follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/CyclOSMorg
> Comments and contributions are always welcome in order to make this map
> usefull for every cyclists.
>
> Best regards.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

[joost schouppe]

Hi Simon,

In a volunteer community, fun things are more likely to happen at all. So I
do think the idea is worth exploring, even if the current implementation
might be risky to OSMfr or to OSMF if implemented without much further
thought.

I would personally be interested in a more in depth analysis from you. I
personally don't see how a more neutral message ("This map is based on
OpenStreetMap data. Please add the required attribution to your website.
Contact us at X if you need help.") would be more defacing or likely to
lead to a liability claim than just a blacked out map, but I would not mind
at all to be enlightened.

Joost

Op wo 11 mrt. 2020 om 15:39 schreef Simon Poole :

> As I wrote (conveniently ignored in the noise of the vigilante rampage):
> "The safe, I admit also the less fun, option, is to simply block access
> after giving any required notice."
>
> Simon
> Am 11.03.2020 um 14:49 schrieb joost schouppe:
>
> Simon,
>
> I guess with small overlap you mean it's only about people who use osm.org
> tiles, not people who use other services?
> While that is true, the double whammy of both heavily using resources and
> also not attributing does seem like a good subgroup to start with some
> measures.
>
> In the case of the OSM.org tiles, I suppose this is regulated by
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use . At first glance I
> didn't see anything providing people who do not respect those terms. Am I
> missing something, or is this a naive approach to the problem?
> Even if the ToU's could be lacking in detail, couldn't we simply change
> them? The final section talks about changes, which we seem to be able to
> just do when we want to.
>
> I would think the biggest challenge on OSMF side would be the workload for
> OWG/sysadmins.
>
> Best,
> Joost
>
> Op zo 8 mrt. 2020 om 12:18 schreef Simon Poole :
>
>> Just for the record:
>>
>> Enforcing attribution for services that you are providing directly (aka
>> tiles in some form) only has a small overlap with the goals of the
>> attribution guideline, and the avenues open to you depend on your ToUs /
>> contracts with your users and the legal situation in the countries you are
>> providing the service in.
>>
>> I would be very very wary of doing anything that deliberately defaces a
>> web site without consulting with a local (to the country the web site is
>> in) lawyer, particularly if the message implies wrong doing. The safe, I
>> admit also the less fun, option, is to simply block access after giving any
>> required notice.
>>
>> Simon
>> Am 08.03.2020 um 11:04 schrieb Yves:
>>
>> This looks at first as a nuisance that could be perceived as a bad move,
>> but the feedback you're receiving rather prove the contrary.
>> Well done!
>> Ps: would you share your nginx partial redirect, I may consider it for
>> Opensnowmap tiles policy?
>>
>> Le 8 mars 2020 10:14:58 GMT+01:00, Christian Quest
>>   a écrit :
>>>
>>> Here is a hort report on this experiment...
>>>
>>> I started a week ago by searching OSM France tile server logs for
>>> referer and checked manually if the map on the refering page was correctly
>>> attributed.
>>>
>>> This allowed me to create a short list of 20 entries of sites using the
>>> french styled tiles and the humanitarian tiles (yes, it is made by OSM
>>> France).
>>>
>>>
>>> I then modified our nginx based proxy_cache configuration, to redirect
>>> some tiles to an "attribution tile" only for the domain in the list.
>>>
>>> For two of them, I tweeted about it... the most visible one is the
>>> moroco yellow page service, generating a little less than a million daily
>>> tile requests on our servers.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1234516075695525888
>>>
>>> In less than 24 hours, the attribution appeared and I removed them from
>>> the list.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1234779931537739776
>>>
>>>
>>> Then I included an email address in the attribution reminder tile... and
>>> got emails back within a few hours.
>>>
>>> Some were asking how to do the attribution, others telling me the
>>> attribution was now ok and asking how to remove the reminder tiles.
>>>
>>> In my answers, I also remind that our tile service made by volunteers on
>>> donated hardware is not unlimited and inviting them to have a look at
>>> switch2osm to setup their own tile server or use a commercial provider.
>>>
>>> U

Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

[joost schouppe]

2020, 00:46 Phil Wyatt,  wrote:
>>
>>> I am sure others may have seen this 'blacklist' implementation for
>>> showing a reminder about attribution.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1234528717604577282
>>>
>>> Worthy of consideration for openstreetmap.org?
>>>
>>> Cheers - Phil
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] BIPT antennas

[joost schouppe]

Hi Vucodil,

I haven't followed closely, but I do have a general request: if and when
you start working on this with actual changesets, make sure that any
changeset comment has a link to the relevant wiki page, and that the wiki
page starts with an explanation on how to handle this data as a regular
mapper. So things like "please do improve this data if you think there's
something wrong" and outlining the known issues in the data. Sometimes
mappers are afraid to touch things just because they are imported.

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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[joost schouppe]

Hi Andy,

Nice to see the project picked up here. It was a fun one to be involved in.

Note that it works based on a mix. The core of the program is "take the
streets, find the etymology tag, query wikidata for the person, then their
gender". But we do have a csv with the streetnames and their associated
gender.
The gender in the CSV was assigned by humans, based on websearching.
Automatic approaches don't always work, since several streets just have a
last name but are in fact named after a single person, not a family.
In the long run, it would be awesome if all these humans get their wiki
page. We didn't have the time to make that happen in this project. Se we
only added wikidata tags to OpenStreetMap in cases where the q-number was
already available.
Note that we didn't need to use any OSM data for improving Wikidata in this
project.

Some cool things this project entails:
- I've seen a prototype that works without the CSV. So it works around the
globe; the only thing needed to make it work is adding the wikidata tags in
OSM
- this approach can be first step to making all sorts of nifty maps, like
colouring the streets named after people in a certain profession, or from a
certain century. Or make a map where neighborhoods show up where the
streets are named after flowers or birds.

For more info on the project see
https://github.com/openknowledgebe/equalstreetnames
(Issues welcome of course)
We had a few contacts with GeoChicas, but Jonathan decided to build from
scratch. Exactly because of the focus on the wikidata approach - the list
of names is a fallback only. I hope we can do some more exchange of
experience soon.

Joost
Note: I only helped to convince the people involved to use OpenStreetMap,
and supported the project here and there

Op di 3 mrt. 2020 om 17:21 schreef Andy Mabbett :

> Some of you will remember, around five years ago, a debate about
> whether or not we should add Wikidata IDs to OSM.
>
> We did, and so here's "EqualStreetNames.Brussels", an example of what
> is now possible:
>
>https://equalstreetnames.brussels/en/index.html
>
> It shows streets in Brussels named after men and women, visualized
> with data from OpenStreetMap and Wikidata.
>
> Does anyone have other good examples?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Microgrants call for committee

[Joost Schouppe]

Hi,

We have a few candidates already, but we could use some more!

Note that we've been getting some reactions of the sort: "I can't be on the
Committee, because I want to apply myself", or my friend wants to apply. It
is awesome that you would want to avoid conflict of interest at all costs.
But we're a small community, and we do need you for this project. So if you
feel like a conflict of interest might arise, just say so up front and
we'll keep it in mind. You'd be expected not to participate in discussions
regarding any projects you are closely related to, and would not be allowed
to vote on them.
If your ethics prevent you from running - maybe someone less ethical will
take your place instead :)

All the best,
Joost



On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 12:05 PM Joost Schouppe 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The Microgrants project is ready for launch! When we first received the
> Pineapple fund donation, the money was quickly earmarked as to be given
> back to the community. Now that's finally happening, after a recent Board
> decision [1] (plenty of background behind that link!). Any volunteer who
> thinks they can make an impact with a small grant will soon be able to
> apply.
>
> But first we need the help of a few volunteers to manage the project. What
> do we expect of you?
>
> 1) Running the call for projects
> 2) Making a selection of about ten projects
> 3) Following up with the selected projects
>
> Anyone can apply to be on the selection committee, and the Board will then
> make a selection. We are looking for people who know how the OSM community
> works, who have experience with making an impact for OSM - but also people
> with practical experience running these kinds of projects.
>
> The policy document [2] offers a guideline to what the Board wants to see
> happen with this project, but it leaves a lot of leeway for the committee
> to implement as they see fit. For example, the committee is expected to
> work out their own rules of order. During the entire process, you will be
> able to rely on Dorothea for administrative assistance.
>
> The most impactful job of the Microgrants Committee will be the selection
> itself. The decision is expected to be based on deep community
> consultation. The Board did keep a veto right over the selected
> applications.
>
> The committee is also expected to guide the projects to fruition. However,
> it is encouraged for the committee to extend the group with more
> volunteers, so as to lighten the workload and diversify points of view. For
> example, it would be really helpful to have volunteers who speak the
> language or are culturally close to the selected projects.
>
> When the projects are finished and have reported on their experience, the
> Committee is almost done. A final task will be to make recommendations to
> the Board for the next phase of the Microgrants project - we've only just
> begun!
>
> Send your application to join the Microgrants Committee to
> microgra...@osmfoundation.org by March 8th.
>
> All relevant information will be accessible through the OSMF wiki at
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Microgrants
>
> 1.
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2020-01#Microgrants_policy_-_proposal_to_vote
> 2:
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/1/1a/Microgrants_working_document_snapshot_2020-01-13.odt
>
> All the best,
> Joost
> for the OSMF Board
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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Joost Schouppe]

Ah, really happy to get some positive feedback. We'll be adapting our
standard "community consultation" mail to make it clear that a simple
encouragement is also really welcome!

Joost

Op do 20 feb. 2020 11:26 schreef Tomas Novotny :

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 09:16:35 +0100
> Joost Schouppe  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Glad to hear no opposition. We have put a vote on accepting the Local
> > Chapter on the agenda of the next OSMF Board meeting.
> >
> > However, we would really like to hear from those that support the chapter
> > too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech organization become
> an
> > official Local Chapter?
>
> yes, that would be really nice.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tomas (osm nick 'stoupa')
>
> > --
> > Automatic translation:
> > Jsem rád, že neslyším žádnou námitku. Hlasovali jsme o přijetí Local
> > Chapter na pořad jednání příští schůze rady OSMF.
> >
> > Opravdu bychom však rádi slyšeli od těch, kteří tuto Chapter podporují.
> > Každý, kdo by si přál, aby se česká organizace OSM stala oficiální Local
> > Chapter ?
> >
> > All the best,
> > Joost
> > OSMF Secretary
> >
> > Op ma 3 feb. 2020 11:19 schreef Joost Schouppe  >:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
> > > stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
> > > republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
> > > komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
> > > abychom je mohli vypořádat.
> > >
> > > Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace
> > > OSM:
> > >
> > >
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
> > >
> > > Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
> > > můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org.
> Těšíme
> > > se na vaše reakce.
> > >
> > > Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
> > > S pozdravem
> > >
> > > Joost Schouppe
> > > Secretary
> > > OpenStreetMap Foundation
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom.
> > > Below is the original message in English.
> > >
> > >
> > > You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to
> > > become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As
> part
> > > of the application process, I am asking you, the community, to share
> any
> > > questions, comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.
> > >
> > > You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application
> on
> > > the OSMF website:
> > >
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
> > >
> > >
> > > We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020
> + 14
> > > days).
> > > You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
> > > I am looking forward to hearing your responses.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Joost Schouppe
> > > Secretary
> > > OpenStreetMap Foundation
> > >
> > > Name & Registered Office:
> > > OpenStreetMap Foundation
> > > St John's Innovation Centre
> > > Cowley Road
> > > Cambridge
> > > CB4 0WS
> > > United Kingdom
> > > A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
> > > Registration No. 05912761.
> > >
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Re: [talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Joost Schouppe]

Hi,

Glad to hear no opposition. We have put a vote on accepting the Local
Chapter on the agenda of the next OSMF Board meeting.

However, we would really like to hear from those that support the chapter
too. Anyone here who would like to see the OSM Czech organization become an
official Local Chapter?

--
Automatic translation:
Jsem rád, že neslyším žádnou námitku. Hlasovali jsme o přijetí Local
Chapter na pořad jednání příští schůze rady OSMF.

Opravdu bychom však rádi slyšeli od těch, kteří tuto Chapter podporují.
Každý, kdo by si přál, aby se česká organizace OSM stala oficiální Local
Chapter ?

All the best,
Joost
OSMF Secretary

Op ma 3 feb. 2020 11:19 schreef Joost Schouppe :

> Hi all,
>
> Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
> stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
> republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
> komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
> abychom je mohli vypořádat.
>
> Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace
> OSM:
>
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
>
> Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
> můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org. Těšíme
> se na vaše reakce.
>
> Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
> S pozdravem
>
> Joost Schouppe
> Secretary
> OpenStreetMap Foundation
>
>
> Hi again,
>
> I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom.
> Below is the original message in English.
>
>
> You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to
> become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part
> of the application process, I am asking you, the community, to share any
> questions, comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.
>
> You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
> the OSMF website:
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia
>
>
> We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020 + 14
> days).
> You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
> I am looking forward to hearing your responses.
>
>
> Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Joost Schouppe
> Secretary
> OpenStreetMap Foundation
>
> Name & Registered Office:
> OpenStreetMap Foundation
> St John's Innovation Centre
> Cowley Road
> Cambridge
> CB4 0WS
> United Kingdom
> A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales.
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[OSM-talk] Microgrants call for committee

[Joost Schouppe]

 Hi,

The Microgrants project is ready for launch! When we first received the
Pineapple fund donation, the money was quickly earmarked as to be given
back to the community. Now that's finally happening, after a recent Board
decision [1] (plenty of background behind that link!). Any volunteer who
thinks they can make an impact with a small grant will soon be able to
apply.

But first we need the help of a few volunteers to manage the project. What
do we expect of you?

1) Running the call for projects
2) Making a selection of about ten projects
3) Following up with the selected projects

Anyone can apply to be on the selection committee, and the Board will then
make a selection. We are looking for people who know how the OSM community
works, who have experience with making an impact for OSM - but also people
with practical experience running these kinds of projects.

The policy document [2] offers a guideline to what the Board wants to see
happen with this project, but it leaves a lot of leeway for the committee
to implement as they see fit. For example, the committee is expected to
work out their own rules of order. During the entire process, you will be
able to rely on Dorothea for administrative assistance.

The most impactful job of the Microgrants Committee will be the selection
itself. The decision is expected to be based on deep community
consultation. The Board did keep a veto right over the selected
applications.

The committee is also expected to guide the projects to fruition. However,
it is encouraged for the committee to extend the group with more
volunteers, so as to lighten the workload and diversify points of view. For
example, it would be really helpful to have volunteers who speak the
language or are culturally close to the selected projects.

When the projects are finished and have reported on their experience, the
Committee is almost done. A final task will be to make recommendations to
the Board for the next phase of the Microgrants project - we've only just
begun!

Send your application to join the Microgrants Committee to
microgra...@osmfoundation.org by March 8th.

All relevant information will be accessible through the OSMF wiki at
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Microgrants

1.
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2020-01#Microgrants_policy_-_proposal_to_vote
2:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/1/1a/Microgrants_working_document_snapshot_2020-01-13.odt

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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Discover the Programme of Open Belgium 2020

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

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Valentine promotion going on right now :)
Contact board at osm.be if you can't afford the ticket.

There will also be a community day on Sunday with lots of OSM stuff; that
will be free.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] RFC: removing OpenGeoDB and is_in tags (RFC by 29 Feb 2020)

[joost schouppe]

I say "go"

Op wo 5 feb. 2020 16:37 schreef Midgard :

> Dear mappers
>
> If you ever touched a place node, chances are you saw it was cluttered
> with:
> - tags with a "openGeoDB:" prefix and
> - "is_in" tags.
>
> I hereby propose a mechanical edit to delete those from all features in
> Belgium.
> The Overpass query to fetch the data is https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Qqa
>
> - The openGeoDB tags date to 2008, when the plan was to keep populations
> updated from the openGeoDB
>   database. This never happened and probably never will.
>   Information about OpenGeoDB on the wiki:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenGeoDB
>   For an example, see https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/79382706/history
>
> - The is_in tags are largely obsolete. The administrative boundaries
> replace them.
>   They're also not uniform in OSM to begin with. Some examples:
>   - Beernem: is_in=Belgie, Vlaanderen, West-Vlaanderen
>   - Sint-Andries:is_in=Brugge,West-Vlaanderen,Belgium,Europe
>   - Hoekskensstraat: is_in=Lebbeke, Oost-Vlaanderen
>   - Meise: is_in=Vlaams-Brabant,Belgium,Europe
>is_in:continent=Europe
>is_in:country=Belgium
>is_in:province=Flemish Brabant
>
> Why remove them? For data users they create the impression that this is
> data they can use.
> Mappers may be confused about them and waste time maintaining them. They
> are not useful to anyone.
>
> I'd like to collectively make a decision ("go" or "no go") by the end of
> the month, 29 February.
> Please send in your comments, even if it's just "not sure, maybe we
> shouldn't do this"!
>
> Kind regards,
> Midgard
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[talk-cz] OpenStreetMap Česká republika Local Chapter application

[Joost Schouppe]

Hi all,

Jak možná víte, spolek OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. podal žádost
stát se oficiálním zastoupením Nadace OpenStreetMap (pro Českou
republiku). Jako součást přijímacího procesu se ptáme vás, české OSM
komunity, zda k tomu máte nějaké otázky, komentáře nebo připomínky,
abychom je mohli vypořádat.

Všechny informace o žádosti o lokální zastoupení najdete na webu Nadace OSM:

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia

Tuto diskuzi uzavřeme od teď za dva týdny. Reagovat
můžete sem nebo zaslat zprávu radě boart (at) osmfoundation.org. Těšíme
se na vaše reakce.

Děkujeme českému týmu za tuto žádost.
S pozdravem

Joost Schouppe
Secretary
OpenStreetMap Foundation


Hi again,

I don't speak Czech - the translation above was kindly provided by Tom.
Below is the original message in English.


You may be aware that OpenStreetMap Česká republika z.s. has applied to
become an official Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part
of the application process, I am asking you, the community, to share any
questions, comments or concerns that you have, so we can address them.

You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
the OSMF website:
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Czechia


We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (3 Feb 2020 + 14
days).
You can reply here or send a message to board at osmfoundation.org
I am looking forward to hearing your responses.


Thank you to the Czech team for this submission.


Best regards,


Joost Schouppe
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Name & Registered Office:
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Tagging proposal for cycling highways (Fietssnelwegen)

[joost schouppe]

Hi Jo,

I think that's the right thing to do, thank you.

What I'm still a bit unclear about: if the route itself is unfinished, but
large sections of them are, then I would think the finished parts do
deserve a "ready for use state". We talked about this briefly before, maybe
someone here has an idea how to split up the route (say F3) in three types
of subrelations :

- usable, ready and waymarked (so similar to any "normal" cycle route)
- usable but not ready or waymarked (here the route is proposed, I'd say)
- unusable (here the ways themselves are proposed)

As stated by Stijn and Eebie, the connections "invented" by Jo don't belong
in OSM. However some of these detours are in fact waymarked. For example,
in the cycle highway Brussel-Halle there is an official detour that will be
in place for two years. I'm not sure if this kind of situation needs to ge
in a fourth type...

Joost

Op di 24 dec. 2019 10:57 schreef Jo :

> All the figments of my imagination have been removed. I reviewed the
> remaining ones, and fixed them here and there. Where it's not possible to
> use them today to get from the start till the end, they are marked as
> state=proposed.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

[joost schouppe]

> As an xmas bonus, here's another Facebook company (via Mapbox), Snapchat
> that is using OSM without attribution requirements (funnily there's plenty
> of space for a reasonable and visible calculated mapbox logo and text).
> They probably don't know, nor that they have been asked to comply over a
> year ago, nor have agreed with the license in every aspect of it when
> stated using OSM data, nor read Mapbox TOS, or Mapbox been informed on
> these repeated offenders, nor read the multiples reports in mailing lists,
> nor that they had a employee that ran for OSMF board.
>
> https://map.snapchat.com/
>
> Let's continue to be hypocrites and pretend nothing is going on for over a
> year with these two companies that are corporate members of OSMF and should
> be the first ones to give examples. Enough with excuses.
>

The Snapchat case is a pretty clear example of how not to do things. If
there's space for Mapbox, there's space for OpenStreetMap. But I don't
think Snapchat has anything to do with Facebook.

Phil, I hope you contacted them directly and not through Facebook.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapillary

[joost schouppe]

Dag Guy,
In mijn ervaring duiken de foto's rapper op in iD en JOSM dan in de website
van Mapillary zelf. Gaat het om een relatief nieuwe sequentie?

Op do 19 dec. 2019 om 15:40 schreef Guy Vanvuchelen <
guy.vanvuche...@gmail.com>:

> Bedankt voor de info, maar……..
>
> Na nog wat proberen denk ik dat als je één foto selecteert de hele
> sequentie, waar die foto deel van uitmaakt, blauw kleurt en zo blijft tot
> je een foto uit een andere sequentie selecteerdt
>
> Hier in de buurt zijn door minstens drie personen opnames gemaakt:
> Polyglot, Filipc en ikzelf (GuyVV) en ze kleuren allemaal blauw als je ze
> selecteert.
>
> Maar ik begrijp niet hoe het kan dat in Mapillary de foto’s niet getoond
> worden en in JOSM wel  (Driebek, Tienen) terwijl JOSM ze uit Mapillary
> haalt.
>
>
>
>
>
> Guy Vanvuchelen
>
>
>
> *Van:* Georges De Gruyter [mailto:zors1...@gmail.com]
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 19 december 2019 13:40
> *Aan:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapillary
>
>
>
> Blauwe lijnen zijn je eigen foto’s, Guy.
>
>
>
>
>
> Op 19 dec. 2019, om 13:14 heeft Guy Vanvuchelen 
> het volgende geschreven:
>
>
>
> Kan iemand me vertellen hoe het komt dat ik bepaalde stukken uit een
>  fotoserie niet zie op Mapillary en wel in JOSM. (zie bijlage)
>
> Wat is het verschil tussen blauw en groen?
>
>
>
> Guy Vanvuchelen
>
>
>
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[OSM-talk-be] Rode Kruis mapathon in Beveren

[joost schouppe]

Hoi,

Op 18 december organiseert de Rode Kruis afdeling van Beveren een mapathon.
Wellicht gaan Jo en ikzelf ter plaatse om te helpen. Maar versterking is
meer dan welkom.

En ook fijn om gewoon wat te komen mappen natuurlijk!

Meer info: https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/266967804/

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[OSM-talk-be] OpenStreetMap Foundation elections

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

Every year, there's an election of the OSMF Board. Usually, one or two
people step down. The longest serving member needs to do that, and others
who decide that they spent enough time on the Board can decide to stop.
This year, there's four seats open!

Now is a special moment in the election cycle: all 10 candidates have
written up a manifesto and have answered questions coming from the
community. You can read it all here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM19/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos

If you're a member of the OSMF, you should have gotten some election
updates already. We're 17 Belgian members btw, which is an avarage number
compared to nearby countries.

I myself am going into my second year on the Board and simply will continue
my membership there, for now.

Joost
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[OSM-talk] bridging chatrooms

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

In the run-up to SotM there were some (justified) complaints that the
chatroom for the event was only available using Telegram. I'm not
interested in a discussion about whether this is no issue at all or rather
a Big Issue. I'd rather just fix the issue, without forcing anyone to
change. It should be relatively easy to bridge Telegram to IRC. But it
seems to require a tool installed on a server. Is there anyone who has
experience with this? And especially: is willing to host it somewhere?

I have a similar issue with a room I've set up in Matrix. It bridges
perfectly to IRC, but the bridge to Telegram hosted by tchncs.de keeps
failing. Does anyone here know how to fix such issues?
I think it might be an interesting solution to have an OSMF hosted Matrix
server and use that as a central hub to bridge several chat systems to each
other.

It is also annoying that discussion on some platforms can only be accessed
if you have an account for that platform. On some platforms, the person who
started the channel, can just delete all messages. And of course there's
also the risk that the platform operator disappears or starts charging for
access to history. So a next step would be to start archiving conversations
in a searchable way. Maybe something like CSV, maybe just using (for
example) an OSMF hosted Matrix server. This could then maybe be linked to
OSM accounts. Semi-public archiving would need to be opt-in, since people
often consider chat a fleeting medium which they would prefer not to be
quoted on.

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[OSM-talk-be] fietsstraten in Mechelen

[joost schouppe]

Hoi,

Mappers in Mechelen, een klein projectje: de stad heeft het gehele centrum
aangeduid als "fietsstraten". Zie: https://www.mechelen.be/fietszone

De tagging wordt hier uitgelegd:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cyclestreet#Belgium

Aangezien echt het hele gebied dus maximumsnelheid 30 en cyclestreet=yes
krijgt, is het een relatief eenvoudige edit. Anderzijds is het wel
gemakkelijk om hierbij fouten te maken (bijvoorbeeld per ongeluk ook de
huizen aan te duiden als cyclestreet ofzo, ik vind het niet uit). Dus vraag
gerust live hulp via Riot: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#osmbe:matrix.org

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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: OSM Belgium study

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We recieved this message and would like to share.

-- Forwarded message -
Van: Joana Pereira 
Date: do 10 okt. 2019 om 17:40
Subject: OSM Belgium study
To: talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org 


Good afternoon,



My name is Joana Pereira, and I am lecturer and researcher in the area of
online communities at Leeds University Business School, in the UK. I have
been studying OpenStreetMap for a while, and many participants worldwide
have talked about the Belgium community and the way you were able to
reconcile different languages on the map. I need your help to understand
how the Belgium community operates, as I would like to include your case in
my study.



With that purpose, I am inviting OSM Belgium members for interviews through
skype or phone. Anyone interested in participating can just reply to my
email (j.pere...@leeds.ac.uk).



I would like to request if you could disseminate this invitation across
this mailing list.



I am looking forward to your answer.



Best regards, Joana Pereira



*Joana Pereira*

Lecturer in Strategy

Strategy & Organization Group, Management Division

Leeds University Business School

University of Leeds

G.11 Charles Thackrah

Leeds, LS2 9JT UK



Tel: +44 (0)113 34 32949

Email: j.pere...@leeds.ac.uk

http://business.leeds.ac.uk/

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University of Leeds

G.11 Charles Thackrah

Leeds, LS2 9JT UK



Tel: +44 (0)113 34 32949

Email: j.pere...@leeds.ac.uk

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Geopunt dag

[joost schouppe]

Hi Maarten,

How did it go?

I had an extended interview with the Geopunt team once, and made similar
suggestions. They did not seem very open to the idea, but I can imagine
people keep badgering them about that. So I hope you did :)

Joost


Op di 24 sep. 2019 09:57 schreef rodeo .be :

> Hey all,
>
> I'm attending the Geopunt day
>  later
> today (I'm there for professional reasons).
>
> Anything I should mention? I'm thinking about the ongoing GRB imports,
> addition of OSM in geopunt (maybe even the historical versions?), check
> their willingness to support technically, ...
>
> KR
> Maarten
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[OSM-talk-be] Belgian tiles in a umap

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Hi,

I've created empty projects for using the Belgian tiles in your umap
projects:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/nl/map/empty-umap-belgium-tiles-in-het-nederlands_367163
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/nl/map/empty-umap-tiles-belgique-en-francais_367162
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/nl/map/empty-umap-bilingual-belgium-map_367161#7/50.580/4.790

Just click on the "share" button, choose the "Full map download" download
option. Then create a new map, click the "upload button" and upload the
.umap file you just downloaded.

Or you can just take your existing umap project, watch this 12 second video
and choose between these layers:

https://tile.openstreetmap.be/osmbe/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
https://tile.openstreetmap.be/osmbe-nl/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Hechtel_Eksel

[joost schouppe]

Hoi Sus,
Het ligt niet aan de import tool, maar aan de data zelf. In het CRAB zelf
bestaat de postcode 3941 niet meer. Dat is heel bizar, ik vind er ook neits
over terug op het internet. Ik vraag het eens na bij de gemeente zelf.


Op vr 20 sep. 2019 om 11:33 schreef Sus Verhoeven :

> Hooi,
> Ik gebruik nog regelmatig de Crab import tool om nieuwe huizen en adressen
> op te sporen. bv:
>
> http://crab-import.osm.be/import.html?pcode=3940=true=true=true=true=
>
> Eksel had vroeger postcode 3940 en Hechtel 3941, die zijn nu samen onder
> Hechtel-Eksel en enkel postcode 3940 werkt nog in de import tool, al de
> vorige straatnamen van 3941 staan nu onder 3940 maar geven foutmeldingen
> die ik er niet uit krijg. Postcode 3941 wordt niet meer aanvaard in de
> import tool.
>
> De adres validator van Bpost meldt  de 3941 nog  als bestaande postcode.
>
> Wie helpt mij want om dat zelf op te lossen ben ik wat te oud geworden. ;-)
>
> Sus
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] map of EU institutions in Brussels

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Hi Robert,

A building might have more than one office, and one might be EU the other
not. But don't worry: I'm sure using overpass you can make a query that
finds the building a POI node is "inside of". Usually at
help.openstreetmap.org there are people willing to help with building such
a query.

I see you got more feedback at the tagging mailing list. As also mentioned
there, I think the country=EU might be a decent tag to be able to group all
of them.

Op vr 6 sep. 2019 om 00:30 schreef Robert Riemann :

> Dear all,
>
> I would like to generate a map of EU buildings in Brussels similar to this
> one: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/29697/qc0214964enn.pdf
>
> However, I noticed that many buildings are not tagged accordingly, but
> instead
> have only a POI.
>
> For this reason, I want to ensure that the surface itself is tagged, so
> that
> with a query such as http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M6o a map can be
> generated.
>
> Can you please advise me which tags should be used on building shapes and
> POI
> to map EU institutions perfectly?
>
> Best,
> Robert
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[OSM-talk-be] tags for prohibitory road signs in Belgium

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

s8evq has been consulting some heavy mappers about the "road signs in
Belgium" wiki page, because it didn't seem to reflect how we actually map.
There's a draft new page at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Road_signs_in_Belgium#Suggestion_for_an_update_of_the_prohibitory_signs

Feel free to comment here or on Riot if you think it can be further
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[Talk-bo] mapathon en Belgica para Bolivia

[joost schouppe]

Hola,

Un compañero Frances, Benoît Prieur, esta organizando un mapathon aca en
Belgica este sabado [1], en al marco de la WikiConvention francophone. Mi
amigo Jonathan los va a ayudar. Escogieron un proyecto en Bolivia [2]. Si
queiren communicar con ellos durante o antes del mapathan, pueden ingresar
a nuestra red dedicado en Riot [3] o responder aca, incluyendo los e-mails
en CC. Eh, solo que no hablan castellano, asi que mejor en Ingles o Frances
:)

1:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2019/Programme/Atelier_de_cartographie_humanitaire,_HotOSM
2: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/6649
3: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#osmbe-task:matrix.org

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Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous comments on notes now disabled

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Op vr 30 aug. 2019 13:15 schreef Oleksiy Muzalyev <
oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>:

> I think in future when there will be more space on servers it would be a
> good idea to add a possibility to attach an optional image to a note for
> the registered users.
>

Images are a really useful addition to a written Note. But it could be
handled without having to host the actual images. A user interface could
just upload them somewhere, and add the url to the note.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous comments on notes now disabled

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Thanks, I think this is the correct decision.

Op do 29 aug. 2019 om 23:49 schreef Frederik Ramm :

> Hi,
>
> after two years of discussing the pros and cons, a decision has now been
> reached to disallow anonymous comments on notes.
>
> Up until two days ago, anonymous (i.e. not logged-in) users could create
> notes and comment on existing notes; the only thing they could not do
> was close a note.
>
> Now, anonymous users can *still* create notes, but they cannot comment
> on or close existing notes.
>
> In the long discussions leading up to this decision (see
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/1543 and
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/1926) we
> agreed that anonymous comments on notes are rarely useful, and when they
> are, they come mostly from users who have just forgotten to log in. This
> was weighed against recent massive spam and vandalism activities which
> rendered the notes system near unusuable in some regions. Perversely, it
> is much easier to fight a vandal creating new, useless notes (by just
> closing them) than it is to clean up their droppings from existing notes.
>
> Bye
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[OSM-talk-be] ordering channels in the Community Index

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Hi,

The ID editor (not JOSM unfortunately) tries to link mappers to local
communities by showing them after each save. Until now, the list was
ordered by a global setting. Since a few days, they can be ordered based on
inputs from the local community. I'd like to do that, but I'd like to refer
to some public discussion about what we want to show.
We also use the index for this page, so we would be changing the order
there as well: https://openstreetmap.be/en/contact.html

I would suggest this ordering:
riot: because that's where most action is at
meetup: because that allows you to easily stay up to date about OSM events
in in Belgium
talk-be: historically our main channel, and still the best place to have
more complicated discussions
forum: easy to use for some, and does have some activity
irc: not really a separate channel, but a way to reach the riot channels.
Used by only a few people, but really easy to use for those who already use
irc
twitter: more for outreach than for communicating, but still useful
facebook: we're only there because we felt we had to :)

Any comments?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Neighbourhoods in Ghent mapped as a point

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I thought about this idea some more, and I'm not sure it's a good idea to
use ALL the polygons. Municipality governments tend to have several
competing "wijk" concepts, that usually are not official (ask me how I
know). Their names might coincide with what citizens think of when they say
Brugse Poort, but they might be defined differently. For example the Gent
"wijk" boundaries are bound to be based on statistical sectors (as defined
by statbel). But when those don't exactly match with your idea of a
neighborhood, they still are respected for practical reasons. The "wijk"
boundaries also cover the entire territory, even if there is no local
concept of the area being a "wijk" in the heads of the citizens. E.g. I
don't think anyone would say they are from "Stationsbuurt Noord".
I would propose only adding polygons for those neighborhoods where you feel
they are clearly defined (i.e. verifiable). This should be enough to stop a
data user from applying a "Malem" label to an address that is clearly
outside that neighborhood, without labelling all adresses with a
semi-random neighborhood.

The fact that "wijken" do not exist as a Flemish or Belgian level
administrative devision, means that it is hard to define how they should
the admin_level structure for admin_boundaries in Belgium; even if the
municipality would have officialized their existence at all.

Op wo 21 aug. 2019 om 09:41 schreef Santens Seppe :

> Hi Pieter,
>
>
>
> It might take a bit more work to join the boundaries of the neighbourhoods
> with the existing boundaries of the city and the city sections. If the open
> data of the city of Ghent should diverge from what is already in OSM, it
> should be decided upon which dataset has the truth, which is not always
> straightforward J
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Seppe
>
>
>
> *Van:* Lionel Giard [mailto:lionel.gi...@gmail.com]
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 20 augustus 2019 9:54
> *Aan:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Neighbourhoods in Ghent mapped as a point
>
>
>
> Yes the node approach is only done when the boundaries are unknown (and so
> this is an approximation) but in this case, as we have the boundaries as
> open data, we could add them indeed. You can see it in the wiki page too
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place>. Thus, creating a polygon
> using the exact boundaries of the open data with the tag
> "place=neighbourhood" + "name=*" should be fine. You can just import a
> shapefile or similar format in JOSM for example, and tag it correctly.
>
>
>
> Le lun. 19 août 2019 à 10:35, Pieter Colpaert  a
> écrit :
>
> Hi all,
>
> Neighbourhoods in Ghent are mapped as a point. See for example
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2274965455
>
> The problem with this is that nominatim will add the neighbourhood to an
> address string, based on the nearest point. An address still in the
> Brugse Poort therefore will get an obvious wrong neighbourhood attached
> to it. See for example
>
> https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=appelstraat+27%2C+9000+Gent_geojson=1=.
>
> This point is in the Brugse Poort, but it is closest to the point of the
> neighbourhood Malem.
>
> Should we change these point to be polygons instead?
>
> There is also an official Open Data list of “wijken” (which is not
> entirely the same though) on the open data portal of the city of Ghent:
> https://datatank.stad.gent/4/grondgebied/wijken → Should we map these
> bounds in OSM as well? And how?
>
> Kind regards,
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] hidden official path vs. unofficial by-pass : consensus?

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;> > community level?
>> > B. If not, is there any Belgian community consensus?
>> > C. If not, is there any widely accepted option?
>> > D. If not, is there any better solution than option 3?
>> >
>> > (Side issue: the current rendering on OSM does not express that this
>> > path is poorly visible. But at least the flag is there for other
>> > rendering tools/layouts.)
>> >
>> > Two examples I had to do:
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/700172645
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/629096505
>> >
>> > Thank you in advance for any pointer/doc/wiki/consensus! :-)
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > François
>> > (aka fgerin on OSM)
>> > (aka fge1 on balnam)
>> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] folk sports in Belgium

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Thanks for the suggestions! I already added krachtbal before I even saw
Ruben's message :)
I'll add petanque too.
If you tell me what tags to look for, I can add more sports. One tiny issue
is that Mapcontrib does not do labelling based on object properties, so you
need an Overpass query for every sport you add. And it queries all of them
at the same time, which makes Overpass say "stop it you data hog". I guess
I could fix that by referring to different Overpass instances though.

Op wo 21 aug. 2019 om 14:40 schreef Santens Seppe :

> I've added quite a few krachtbal pitches and popinjay (staande wip) masts
> in recent times, so it's cool to see all of these on a dedicated map!
>
> I agree with Jakka that bolletra and krulbollen/staakbollen (and maybe
> other variants) should be added, but I'm not sure how/if these are mapped.
>
> Seppe
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: Jakka [mailto:vdmfrank...@gmail.com]
> Verzonden: woensdag 21 augustus 2019 13:00
> Aan: talk-be@openstreetmap.org
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] folk sports in Belgium
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules petanque ?
> https://www.westtoer.be/nl/doen/bolletra
>
>
> Op 21/08/2019 om 11:49 schreef Ruben:
> > On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 13:39:41 +0200, joost schouppe <
> joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> After a bit of research, I retagged all "kaatspleinen" / "place de
> pelotte"
> >> to sport=pelota. I think this is a decent tag for this. Folk sports are
> >> hard, because there are local variants, and you have to decide if you
> want
> >> to tag with the very specific local way of playing or keep it simple and
> >> generalize a bit.
> >>
> >> I took advantage of the moment to create a little map of the 90 fields
> in
> >> Belgium:
> >>
> >> https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/adc0b8-Folk_sports_in_Belgium#
> >>
> >> Which other sports should I add to that map?
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dkrachtbal maybe?
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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards 2019: The Voting is Open!

[joost schouppe]

Don't forget to vote for the OSM awards!

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Van: Ilya Zverev 
Date: zo 25 aug. 2019 om 18:30
Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards 2019: The Voting is Open!
To: Talk Openstreetmap 


Hi folks,

It is again time to learn about people who did great in the project, and
to give them your votes — on OpenStreetMap Awards page! OSM Awards is
all about showing active members of the community that their work is
seen and respected. Please head to the awards website and choose
nominees you think are worthy of the award.

All you have to do is to click some checkboxes against their names, and
press the "Vote" button. You can mark as many nominees as you like, even
all of them.

http://awards.osmz.ru/

The voting ends in less than a month, so please do not postpone visiting
the website — spend a minute right now. Please vote and see you at the
State of the Map!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Dodentocht

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Another positive thing: they did attribution right :)

But using the OpenStreetMap.org tiles for a big production website is not
right. They are financed by the community for mostly internal use. Larger
websites using them run the risk of being blocked. Maybe the site hit some
rate limitations, or maybe it was just a bad day.
The Belgian tile server can handle quite a bit of server load, but also
come without guarantees. You could get in touch with Jonathan from geo-6,
to analyse if our server can handle the load. My guess is it probably would!
Of course, if you want real guarantees, you should go with a commercial
solution or host tiles yourself (see for example
https://switch2osm.org/providers/).

Op za 17 aug. 2019 om 20:05 schreef rodeo .be :

> Hey all,
>
> first message to this mailing list !
>
> Last week I supported for some friends in the Dodentocht (a 100km walk
> around Bornem).
> Positive thing: the organisation uses openstreetmap in their follow tool:
> https://tracking.dodentocht.be
> Negative thing: the maps were very slow (background not loading, or slowly
> etc) probably due to the high local demand.
>
> The organisers used Leaflet to load the maps. I know we have a dedicated
> server in Belgium (tile.osm.be) but that server was not used.
>
> What could we do to avoid this "slow loading" in case of future events in
> Belgium?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

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Hi,

We had a tight schedule for this survey, because we want to be able to
present something by the next SotM. That explains why some questions aren't
exactly worded perfectly. It would have been better to get more people
involved and do more testing. But that inevitably slows things down. We did
ask the science mailing list for feedback, but the only response was a
volunteer to translate to Hungarian (thanks Levente!). And while I think
there are clearly some issues that we missed, the output will still be
quite useful.

I think we would like to get more people involved next time. The first
survey was really last minute, this one is a bit better prepared but still
made a few mistakes. The next one can be built over a bit more time. Oh

The "remote mapping" was added as a "nice to know" and wasn't even deeply
discussed between the three of us writing the actual survey questions.

We did intend to publish "raw data", and consulted with LWG to get a proper
wording for that. We understood that the "Publicly, aggregated and
anonymously " meant "answers presented together" in whatever form
(spreadsheet etc) and was not referring to a summary. If we misenterpreted
that (unfortunately that feels kind of obvious now), than we'll make sure
the wording is better next time.

And there is also the option to become an OSMF volunteer who has signed ad
NDA, for those who want to work with the raw data.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] folk sports in Belgium

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You're right. Done.

Op wo 7 aug. 2019 om 00:53 schreef Lionel Giard :

> At the moment the OSM wiki page for sport=pelota only show the description
> of the "pelote basque <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_pelota>" :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Asport%3Dpelota . Maybe we
> should adapt the wiki description to show that this name "sport=pelota" is
> used for all regional variation ("basque pelota", "belgian pelota/balle
> pelote/kaatsen", ...) ? :-)
>
> Le mar. 6 août 2019 à 13:40, joost schouppe  a
> écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> After a bit of research, I retagged all "kaatspleinen" / "place de
>> pelotte" to sport=pelota. I think this is a decent tag for this. Folk
>> sports are hard, because there are local variants, and you have to decide
>> if you want to tag with the very specific local way of playing or keep it
>> simple and generalize a bit.
>>
>> I took advantage of the moment to create a little map of the 90 fields in
>> Belgium:
>>
>> https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/adc0b8-Folk_sports_in_Belgium#
>>
>> Which other sports should I add to that map?
>>
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[OSM-talk-be] folk sports in Belgium

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Hi,

After a bit of research, I retagged all "kaatspleinen" / "place de pelotte"
to sport=pelota. I think this is a decent tag for this. Folk sports are
hard, because there are local variants, and you have to decide if you want
to tag with the very specific local way of playing or keep it simple and
generalize a bit.

I took advantage of the moment to create a little map of the 90 fields in
Belgium:

https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/adc0b8-Folk_sports_in_Belgium#

Which other sports should I add to that map?

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[OSM-talk-be] GRB import in progress

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Hi,

Since a month or two, we have been scaling up the building import in
Flanders, based on GRB buildings. We have summarized the instructions in a
ten page presentation, and it is now really easy to get started. You do
need JOSM, but the list of functionalities needed is really limited.
However, we don't want to end up with silly stuff like this [1]. The actual
data integration into OSM is not easy:

- the source data is a bit outdated (we are working on that!), so buildings
might be missing or razed by now. Even when it's not GRB can be behind
reality.
- the GRB buildings have CRAB-addresses merged to them. That merge might be
wrong, so you have to check all buildings! Or the building might have
several entrances, perhaps on more than one street. So then you need to
make address nodes
- the tool makes an educated guess as to what the building type is. But
that guess can be wrong, so again you have to check all the buildings.
There are also some building types (like "verdieping") which need special
attention.
- you have to conflate with existing data (merge histories for existing
buildings; make sure you don't put buildings on top of other objects) and
we expect you to care about ALL the data, not just the building data

Overall, I don't think you can usually properly import more than a few
hundred buildings per hour. But it's nice to see the map fill up with
buildings, and finally have some decent address coverage.

If you would like to join us in mapping the missing buildings in Flanders,
start reading here:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AIV_GRB_building_import

We have a support group on Riot where we check each other and are happy to
share tips. You do need JOSM, but the list of functionalities needed is
really limited. So it's a good time to learn how to use it!

It might be easier to learn this in person. Join us at any Meetup in
Flanders or Brussels, there will always be someone who knows about the
import. Or ask us to have a Meetup near you. We're always looking for an
excuse to visit your town :-)

1: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7199837,6.9785435,18.6z
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[OSM-talk-be] vertaalhulp gezocht

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Hoi,

Er zijn nog drie pagina's op de openstreetmap.be website die vertaald
moeten worden naar het Nederlands. Als iemand daar even tijd voor heeft, de
details staan hier:

https://github.com/osmbe/website/issues

Als er iets niet duidelijk is, laat maar weten.

(mail in Dutch since it's about translating to Dutch :)

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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSGeo.be-Announce] foss4g.be: Call for presentations - Appel à présentations - Oproep voor presentaties

[joost schouppe]

-- Forwarded message -
Van: Moritz Lennert 
Date: wo 26 jun. 2019 om 21:25
Subject: [OSGeo.be-Announce] foss4g.be: Call for presentations - Appel à
présentations - Oproep voor presentaties
To: 


Dear all, Goeie dag, Bonjour à tous,


Pour la version française de cet appel:
https://2019.foss4g.be/papers.php?lang=fr
Voor de nederlandse versie van deze oproep:
https://2019.foss4g.be/papers.php?lang=nl
To immediately jump to the full information in English:
https://2019.foss4g.be/papers.php?lang=en


After many successful events in the last years, OSGeo.be will organize
another edition of the FOSS4G Belgium Conference on Thursday 24 October
2019 in Brussels. We are looking for contributors who want to support
this event through a presentation.

FOSS4G conferences gather developers and users of Open Source
geospatial software from around the world to discuss new directions,
exciting implementations, and growing business opportunities in this
domain. Recent years have seen substantial changes in the geospatial
industry. One of those changes has been the growth in maturity and
adoption of Free and Open Source solutions. In many cases organizations
are using a mixture of open and closed source solutions.

We will share knowledge and experiences during the whole event through
presentations and demonstrations with 25 minutes each at most.

To submit a proposal go to http://2019.foss4g.be/submit-paper.php.

Looking forward to hearing from you !

Best wishes,

The foss4g.be team
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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Mis de kans niet om mee te denken over de toekomst van Geopunt

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Iemand zin om het gebruik van Geopunt.be door OpenStreetMap-gebruikers te
gaan toelichten? Goeie kans om eens te vragen om OpenStreetMap
achtergrondkaarten in te bouwen :)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

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Hmm, how about this case:

https://play.osm.be/historischekaart.html#18/50.84125/4.03590/dhm_hill-osmroads
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=50.8409878896054=4.035847194701205=17=CemcYfldMKwaCCdn0eK2bQ=photo=0.5005982815044207=0.34925403860156434=0

It's a road that was dug under a slightly raised train track, but it looks
like a bridge. Or is it bridge for the road, tunnel under the train, bridge
again :) ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] join us at State of the Map

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Talking about money: now is the time to buy your tickets:
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/05/24/sotm-2019-ticket-sales-opened/
Early bird community tickets are just 75 euro, which is probably less than
the cost for the food you'll be getting during the event.
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[OSM-talk-be] foss4g.be save the date

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Hi,

The team for the foss4g Belgium has already set a date for the event. So
don't forget to makr your calendars for October 24th 2019.

All info here: http://2019.foss4g.be/

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Importing polygons of administrative boundaries for Belgium into OSM

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NGI data is not open as far as I'm aware. Cadastre is not accurate. You
could look at Statbel nis9 open data. And for Flanders there is the
"Voorlopig Referentiebestand Gemeentegrenzen", which is generally
considered the best quality (note how it's called "voorlopig" though).
So there is no single objective truth about where the borders are. As long
as this situation persists (and it's Belgium so there is little reason to
think this will be fixed soon), I don't see why OpenStreetMap should follow
any of these sources closely. As long as this persists, looking at the
different datasets (as well as some ground observations) with a human eye,
seems the best way forward to me.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Relations: wanneer? waarom?

[joost schouppe]

Ik ben in Portugal eens een dorp tegengekomen waar alle gebouwen volgens
die logica gemapped waren. Vond ik toch wel heel lastig te bewerken.

Veel van dit soort situaties worden veroorzaakt door ID (de web-editor).
Als je daar een bestaand vlak "verknipt", wordt er automatisch een relatie
van gemaakt, ook als dat aan het einde van je bewerking niet meer nodig zou
blijken.

Als algemene regels zou ik zeggen:
- als je duidelijk ziet dat de situatie "per ongeluk" complex is geworden,
dan kan je het gerust terugdraaien
- als je ziet dat een "complexe" stijl eens uitzonderlijk in een verder
"simpel" en eerder leeg gebied gebruikt wordt, dan kan je vereenvoudigen.
Anders loop je het risico dat nieuwe mappers het zien, denken dat het zo
hoort en het verder overnemen
- als je ziet dat het in dat gebied toch wel af en toe gebruikt wordt, dan
kan je beter eens met de mapper contact opnemen en je bedenkingen delen.
Eventueel kan je ook contact opnemen met de lokale community (vaak kan je
die via https://community.osm.be/ vinden). Bepaalde stijlen van hoe precies
iets in kaart brengen op grote schaal zonder discussie toepassen, wordt
nogal gemakkelijk als vandalisme beschouwd. En zelfs als er een akkoord
over zou zijn, ben je toch nog altijd verondersteld voorzichtig en stap
voor stap te werk te gaan. Met andere woorden: je bent alvast goed bezig
met op voorhand deze vraag te stellen.

Op za 4 mei 2019 om 19:29 schreef Wouter Hamelinck <
wouter.hameli...@gmail.com>:

> De ene weg is ook deel van relatie 3502263 en de andere niet. De bedoeling
> is hier volgens mij om een stukje grens als gemeenschappelijk te forceren.
> Niet hoe ik het zou doen (ik zou gewoon twee aparte polygonen tekenen met
> gemeenschappelijke nodes), maar ik kan de logica volgen.
>
> Wouter
>
> On Sat, 4 May 2019, 19:10 Karel Adams,  wrote:
>
>> Een typisch voorbeeld, dat me ergert omdat ik het niet begrijp:
>>
>> Relation 3904284 is opgebouwd uit ways 293877809 en 293877845. Ik zie
>> tussen de beide ways geen verschil. Is er enige reden om dit zo te
>> behouden? Ik zou al de extra tags van de relatie overbrengen naar een
>> van de ways, en dan de andere way ermee "joinen". Simpeler voor de
>> mappers én voor de database.
>>
>> Meer algemeen: regelmatig kom ik zulke toestanden tegen, waar er zonder
>> enige (voor mij zichtbare) reden met relations geknutseld wordt. Zie ik
>> het nu te simpel of zien sommige andere mappers het te ingewikkeld?
>>
>> Dank,
>>
>> Karel
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[OSM-talk-be] join us at State of the Map

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Hi,

Every year, the global OpenStreetMap convenes for a long weekend of
presentations and workshops about the state of the map. More than just a
chance to learn new things, it is a place where you get to meet all those
people you only know by their username or e-mail.

Last year, for State of the Map Milan, a small group of us Belgians rented
an AirBnB together. It was fun and cost-effective.
This year, it's even closer to home, in Heidelberg, Germany.

Please send me a message if you would like to join this years' group!
The sooner we know how many people will join us, the easier it will be to
find a nice place. I aim for mid June to start organizing, so let me know
by then.

For more details about the event, check out https://2019.stateofthemap.org/

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Automated edits related to the GRB import

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Hi,

I just did a first edit on this.More info:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69750322
Let me know if you see anything suspicious.

Op di 9 apr. 2019 om 09:46 schreef joost schouppe :

> Hi,
>
> The GRB building conflation is now in beta-testing. Join us on Riot (
> https://riot.im/app/#/room/#osmbe:matrix.org - or through OFTC for IRC)
> if you want to be an early adoptor.
>
> On the imports mailing list, there were some comments on the data model we
> used. In previous iterations, the toolset would at these tags to any
> building of which the geometry comes from GRB:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Glenn has simplified this to:
> 
> 
>
> These tags make it easy to use the tool for detecting missing or
> improvable buildings, and for continuous maintance of the link between OSM
> and GRB. Now to keep the tool simple, we'd like to change all the objects
> that still have the old style tagging. Since that is an automated edit, one
> needs to follow the rules (as documented here
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct)
>
> I have written a little script to do this. It just does the simple cases,
> because the complicate cases are quite rare and can probably just be done
> by hand.
> Everything seems to work. You can download an example changeset
> (West-Vlaanderen) here: https://we.tl/t-eMdVhq239N
> The sript for the parser is here:
> https://github.com/joostschouppe/little-grb-parser/blob/master/parser%20xml.sps
> Starts with the Overpass query you need. Sorry, the code is written in
> SPSS. That's just the language I speak best.
> If noone objects (and I get some confirmation it doesn't have stupid
> mistakes), I will do this province-by-province or in smaller chuncks if
> necessary. It takes just a few minutes to get from download to upload, so I
> don't foresee any editing conflicts.
>
>
> <https://matrix.to/#/!SqvNXrBsvdGHYRyota:matrix.org/$1554407873121093ilEHM:matrix.org?via=matrix.org=roeckx.be=bsubway.net>I'll
> use my "joost schouppe import" account. I'll add a little section to the
> main GRB project wiki pages (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GRBimport)
> about this edit and refer that in the changeset comments.
>
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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards 2019 Call for Nominees is open!

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Van:Ilya Zverev 
Date: do 18 apr. 2019 23:26
Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Awards 2019 Call for Nominees is open!
To: Talk Openstreetmap 


Hi folks,

'Tis that time of the year: only a week until SotM Call for Papers
closes, and time to think not only of your talk, but to remember
everybody who has inspired you over the past year. We are preparing the
next installment of the OSM Awards: please help us collect a long list
of people worth honouring.

http://awards.osmz.ru

As always, please sumbit people and projects you have noticed to the
website. Do not choose between who to mention and who isn't "worthy":
this is a call for a long list, which will be shortened later by a
closed voting. You can nominate yourself. You can nominate a friend.
Please do. The only limitation is that the person or a project must have
done something public after the 1st of June 2018. Basically, in the past
year. A link would be great.

This year, there are some changes:

* Gone are the three regional categories. Sorry. On the other hand, I'm
happy to notice people from less represented countries being very active
in the community, and receiving awards in the general categories.

* Now only people are accepted to the six main categories. One or a
pair, real names or OSM nicknames: not teams and not companies. Please
google authors of the software you'd like to nominate (though if you
insist, we can do it ourselves).

* Teams, groups and companies go to a separate category: Team
Archievement Award. SotM organizing teams, Esri and like, JOSM
developers and groups like that, all go here. If you want to nominate a
single leader or a developer, consider other categories. If you want to
nominate a vague group of people who did something great, this is the
category.

The call for nominees ends in July. Which does not mean you can postpone
and eventually forget about the call. Please read the next WeeklyOSM
with the idea of nominating people in mind. Look at tools you use and
blogs you read. While saying thanks to a neighbouring mapper, consider
nominating them. By doing that, you validate their efforts and make
their year a little brighter. We all need that.

Please nominate: http://awards.osmz.ru

And if you have time, please contribute to the website translations:

https://www.transifex.com/openstreetmap/osm-awards/dashboard/


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Straatnamen op kaart

[joost schouppe]

Dag Philippe,

Zou dit geen oplossing zijn?

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/nl/map/streets-with-names_317158#18/50.87290/4.18484

Werkt redelijk op mobile, je kan het toegang tot je locatie geven, en als
je niet direct een label ziet, kan je nog klikken om het te krijgen.

Als een weg in blauw verschijnt heeft het een naam. Als er helemaal geen
lijn extra verschijnt, is er gewoon geen naam.

Natuurlijk niét geschikt als je gewoon een generieke app wilt.

Op do 7 mrt. 2019 om 13:16 schreef Philippe Casteleyn <
philippecastel...@hotmail.com>:

> Ik heb het een paar jaar geleden al ergens gevraagd, misschien is er
> intussen vooruitgang.
>
> Bestaat er een (Android) kaartweergave die altijd de straatnaam toont ?
>
> Nu is het soms een gesweep van jewelste om die te weten en terug te keren
> naar uw interessepunt.
>
>
>
> En hoe zit het met de straatnamen met pointers ?
>
>
>
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[OSM-talk-be] Automated edits related to the GRB import

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Hi,

The GRB building conflation is now in beta-testing. Join us on Riot (
https://riot.im/app/#/room/#osmbe:matrix.org - or through OFTC for IRC) if
you want to be an early adoptor.

On the imports mailing list, there were some comments on the data model we
used. In previous iterations, the toolset would at these tags to any
building of which the geometry comes from GRB:






Glenn has simplified this to:



These tags make it easy to use the tool for detecting missing or improvable
buildings, and for continuous maintance of the link between OSM and GRB.
Now to keep the tool simple, we'd like to change all the objects that still
have the old style tagging. Since that is an automated edit, one needs to
follow the rules (as documented here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct)

I have written a little script to do this. It just does the simple cases,
because the complicate cases are quite rare and can probably just be done
by hand.
Everything seems to work. You can download an example changeset
(West-Vlaanderen) here: https://we.tl/t-eMdVhq239N
The sript for the parser is here:
https://github.com/joostschouppe/little-grb-parser/blob/master/parser%20xml.sps
Starts with the Overpass query you need. Sorry, the code is written in
SPSS. That's just the language I speak best.
If noone objects (and I get some confirmation it doesn't have stupid
mistakes), I will do this province-by-province or in smaller chuncks if
necessary. It takes just a few minutes to get from download to upload, so I
don't foresee any editing conflicts.

<https://matrix.to/#/!SqvNXrBsvdGHYRyota:matrix.org/$1554407873121093ilEHM:matrix.org?via=matrix.org=roeckx.be=bsubway.net>I'll
use my "joost schouppe import" account. I'll add a little section to the
main GRB project wiki pages (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GRBimport)
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] National Mapathon 2019

[joost schouppe]

Gembloux will join the National Mapathon for the first time! This will be
on Wednesday. We could really use a volunteer there, as it is their first
time at that location. Send me a message if you're interested.

Op di 26 feb. 2019 om 12:18 schreef joost schouppe :

> Hi all,
>
> The registration page is up: https://mapathon2019.eventbrite.com
> (it contains all the details)
>
> We are still short of volunteers in Mons, Liège and Namur. Let me know if
> you are willing to help out! The other location can always use an extra
> hand too. Below the pages to register as a volunteer (or simply send me a
> massage).
>
> Coordination on github:
> https://github.com/osmbe/community_planning/issues/21
>
>
>> On Wed. March 27th, there will be events at:
>> ULB (Brussels) - 18:00-21:00
>> UCL (Louvain-la-Neuve) - 18:00-21:00
>> KUL (Leuven) - 17:00-20:00
>> UMONS (Mons) - 18:00-21:00
>> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/258984672/
>>
>> On Th. March 28th:
>> VUB (Brussels) - 18:00-21:00
>> ULiège (Liège) - 18:00-21:00
>> Unamur (Namur) - 18:00-21:00
>> UGent (Gent) - 18:00-21:0
>> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/258984694/
>>
>> On the 30th, there will be events at:
>> UCL (Louvain-la-Neuve) - 10:00-13:00
>> ULiège (Liège) - 10:00-13:00
>> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/258984724/
>>
>> You can also contact me directly if you want to help or just have some
>> questions.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] National Mapathon 2019

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Hi all,

The registration page is up: https://mapathon2019.eventbrite.com
(it contains all the details)

We are still short of volunteers in Mons, Liège and Namur. Let me know if
you are willing to help out! The other location can always use an extra
hand too. Below the pages to register as a volunteer (or simply send me a
massage).

Coordination on github:
https://github.com/osmbe/community_planning/issues/21


> On Wed. March 27th, there will be events at:
> ULB (Brussels) - 18:00-21:00
> UCL (Louvain-la-Neuve) - 18:00-21:00
> KUL (Leuven) - 17:00-20:00
> UMONS (Mons) - 18:00-21:00
> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/258984672/
>
> On Th. March 28th:
> VUB (Brussels) - 18:00-21:00
> ULiège (Liège) - 18:00-21:00
> Unamur (Namur) - 18:00-21:00
> UGent (Gent) - 18:00-21:0
> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/258984694/
>
> On the 30th, there will be events at:
> UCL (Louvain-la-Neuve) - 10:00-13:00
> ULiège (Liège) - 10:00-13:00
> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/258984724/
>
> You can also contact me directly if you want to help or just have some
> questions.
>
> --
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Status GRB-import tool ?

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rgens in 2017 is de publieke versie uitgezet omdat veel mensen hiermee
> onbedoelde of verkeerde wijzigingen hebben gedaan.
> >>>>
> >>>> Voor mij is deze tool echter het middel waarop ik wacht om nieuwe of
> aangepaste gebouwen toe te voegen/wijzigen in OSM. Het heeft geen zin nu
> gebouwen te tracen als we ze later opnieuw moeten vervangen door de
> "officiële" geometrie van A(G)IV. Tot dan beperk ik mij enkel tot toevoegen
> van nodes of features niet gerelateerd aan gebouwen.
> >>>>
> >>>> Groeten,
> >>>> Denis
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[OSM-talk-be] National Mapathon 2019

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

We're supporting the National Mapathon again!
This year, the events will be spread over three days, with most of them
during the week in the evening. There is no registration page for "normal
people" yet, but I've just put up some pages on Meetup to help find OSMbe
volunteers to help out at all the locations. For data quality, that is
essential. And it can be a lot of fun too!

On Wed. March 27th, there will be events at:
ULB (Brussels) - 18:00-21:00
UCL (Louvain-la-Neuve) - 18:00-21:00
KUL (Leuven) - 17:00-20:00
UMONS (Mons) - 18:00-21:00
https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/258984672/

On Th. March 28th:
VUB (Brussels) - 18:00-21:00
ULiège (Liège) - 18:00-21:00
Unamur (Namur) - 18:00-21:00
UGent (Gent) - 18:00-21:0
https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/258984694/

On the 30th, there will be events at:
UCL (Louvain-la-Neuve) - 10:00-13:00
ULiège (Liège) - 10:00-13:00
https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/258984724/

You can also contact me directly if you want to help or just have some
questions.

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[OSM-talk-be] Lancement de formations en cartographie sur QGIS - 28 & 29 janvier 2019 à l’ULB

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

Our friend Maelle asked to inform you about their upcoming QGIS training,
in Brussels, in French. All the info below!


-- Forwarded message -
From: Mathieu Strale 
Date: jeu. 23 déc. 2018 à 11:36
Subject: Lancement de formations en cartographie sur QGIS - 28 & 29 janvier
2019 à l’ULB
To: Mathieu Strale 


Bonjour à tou.te.s,
Nous sommes heureux de vous annoncer l’ouverture de *nouveaux modules de
formation*, organisés par l'Institut de Gestion de l'Environnement et
d'Améngement du territoire (IGEAT-ULB) et qui vous permettront d'apprendre
à *réaliser des cartes au moyen du logiciel QGIS* à *l’Université Libre de
Bruxelles*.

La *première session* de formation de deux jours aura lieu les *2**8 & 29
janvier 2019*. *Les inscriptions sont ouvertes pour cette session*.

*Une deuxième session aura lieu les 20 et 21 mai pour le premier module de
formation, et les 23 et 24 mai pour le second module.*

Les *informations détaillées* sur ces formations et le *lien vers les
inscriptions* sont disponibles ici :
*https://cartulb.ulb.be/  *
*Nous le savons, la cartographie constitue une source de données de base
pour l’analyse, la planification, le suivi, et l’évaluation des actions de
développement dans de nombreux secteurs, que ce soit la prévention des
risques naturels, l’environnement et la gestion des ressources naturelles,
l’aide à la décision dans les domaines de la santé, du développement urbain
et rural, du développement économique, de la gestion de la population, de
la résolution des conflits, etc... Une bonne carte peut faire la
différence, que ce soit pour localiser un phénomène, ou pour communiquer
entre institutions.*

*Or, il n'est pas toujours facile de s'y retrouver parmi les outils
disponibles... De plus, une maîtrise mal assurée de ces outils conduit à de
mauvaises utilisations et peut avoir des conséquences déplorables en termes
de communication et décision. Pour avancer sur ce sujet capital,*

*QGIS est un outil de cartographie libre, gratuit, très complet, qui offre
des possibilités plus étendues que Google MyMaps pour ne citer que
celui-là. QGIS permet par exemple de réaliser des cartes hors-ligne, de
générer des cartes grands formats, de charger les fonds de carte Urbis ou
IGN, et de gérer un nombre pratiquement illimité d'objets et de couches.
Enfin, les cartes peuvent être publiées en ligne ou exportées pour être
réutilisées.** Ce sera aussi l'occasion de partager des expériences entre
apprenants, collègues, et, finalement, d'en ressortir avec une vision plus
large qu'en ayant simplement regardé un tutoriel en ligne.*

*Des questions?* n'hésitez pas à contacter Mathieu Strale (mstr...@ulb.ac.be),
notre responsable de formation.

N'hésitez pas à diffuser ce mail à vos contacts si vous pensez qu'ils
seraient intéressés.

En attendant, nous vous souhaitons de très belles fêtes de fin d'année,


L'équipe de
formation









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Re: [OSM-talk] What use is OpenStreetMap?

[joost schouppe]

John, might be worth pointing them to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_for_Government, which
collects some more advanced use cases by governments (often local).

I don't think it's mentioned there, but this is an example that is about as
awesome as it gets :
https://www.frontforce.be/news/hulpverleners-winnen-tijd-met-frontforce-emergency/
About how you can make a routing system adapted to fire services with osm.
Unfortunately in Dutch, maybe there are similar examples around.

Op do 3 jan. 2019 16:10 schreef John Whelan  I got a phone call from someone who works for a municipality who was
> passed my phone number.  Basically asking from a municipal government point
> of view was there any advantage to the municipality in having their
> municipality mapped in detail in OpenStreetMap.
>
> Off the top of my head businesses etc can provide map of where they are
> located without payment and list their web sites and phone numbers etc.
>
> Is there a web page somewhere that covers this?
>
> It is quite a serious question and I suspect will be used to justify some
> expenditure and effort to help enrich the map.
>
> Thanks John
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Lijst van dorpen/gemeenten/steden naargelang grootte/belang

[joost schouppe]

Wat is de scope van je project? Vlaanderen, België, de wereld?

Op ma 24 dec. 2018 11:52 schreef Karel Adams  (ik denk dat ik dit punt reeds eerder aankaartte, maar heb nog steeds
> geen oplossing, het blijft dus een probleem)
>
> Voor een eigen "moving-map" applicatie (waarover verder geen discussie
> aub, want daarover gaat het niet) wil ik graag een lijst van
> steden/dorpen/gemeenten vanuit openstreetmap, mèt indicatie van
> omvang/belang/grootte.
>
> Het idee is dat ik een buitengemeente zoals (om maar iets te zeggen)
> Wakkerzeel niet wil weergeven als ik mijn eigen dorp van Haacht weergeef
> in een omgeving van 100 kilometer, maar wel in een omgeving van 10
> kilometer.
>
> Maar hoe krijg ik uit OSM een indicatie van de grootte/belang van een
> "localiteit"? "Aantal inwoners" gaat een eind de richting uit, maar is
> lang niet overal ingevuld. "admin_level" lijkt veelbelovend, maar geeft
> problemen met grotere steden, die enerzijds gemapt zijn als node maar
> dan zonder admin_level, en anderszijds als "boundary", veelal een
> "relation". En inderdaad lijkt die "admin_level" bedoeld te zijn om de
> grenzen af te bakenen, niet om de gemeente te categoriseren.
>
> Kortom, wat ik wil bereiken is een lijstje zoals hieronder (met telkens
> ook lengtegraad en breedtegraad erbij, maar dat haal ik wel uit
> Overpass, die kan ik tegenwoordig query'en met mijn ogen dicht :) ), hoe
> kom ik daaraan?
>
> Mechelengrote stad
>
> Leuven grote stad
>
> Lierminder grote stad
>
> Aarschotminder grote stad
>
> Haachtgemeente
>
> Wakkerzeeldeelgemeente
>
> Brusselzeer grote stad
>
> Antwerpenzeer grote stad, mét parking :)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] arlon - osm - training courses

[joost schouppe]

Pierre,
This is incredible, we should try this in different places too. How exactly
did you manage to get a dozen people to show up for a thing like this?

If they are serious about mapping, JOSM is of course the better choice to
teach them. But if you have the feeling they might just edit occasionally,
I think it would definitely be worthwhile to show them around in iD too.
Especially if they might map at work, only just needing to install

Did you show them how to automatically keep their umap up to date? I find
this easier to do in MapContrib btw - a very simple example:
https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/3d3aa1-Wildlife_crossing_map
(though umap is working on an easier interface to add overpass layers)

Op di 27 nov. 2018 om 22:40 schreef Pierre Parmentier <
pierrecparment...@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
> The two planned training sessions on the contribution to OSM took place at
> EPN (Espace public numérique) in Arlon on 6 and 27 November 2018 from 9.00
> to 16.00 h.
>
> A dozen people attended each of them. They came from very different
> horizons, from places in the province sometimes far from Arlon, and
> included members of the Sentiers de Grande Randonnée ASBL as well as
> officials of a tourism organization in the area.
>
> We approached the edition with JOSM mainly. The various menus and some
> plugins were examined. Participants created an account and some nodes and
> ways were added to OSM. The GPX file creation with Graphhopper and overpass
> turbo and their import into uMap were also shown.
>
> Some participants have already set to work on their side, mainly in the
> localities of Aubange and Athus, in the province of Luxembourg.
>
> But the others, perhaps more shy, were interested in consolidating their
> knowledge and it was agreed with the EPN Arlon that a monthly OSM workshop
> would take place from January 2019.
>
> I hope this will help OSM grow in this part of the country.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

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 Tomas,

If you want OSM to reconsider the disputed boundaries problem, you should
analyse a selection of problems from around the world and come up with a
policy that can address the issues there. As a charicature, you could say
that we were faced with the choice of making a map that's illegal in
Pakistan, illegal in India, or illegal in both. The last seemed preferable.
In the case of Crimea, most of the world explicitly agrees with one of the
parties in the conflict, but this is not always the case. The current
policy also best reflects our general philosphy of mapping things the way
we see them in reality.

The reactions here are not about Russia. They are about how you can't take
a single issue and build a policy around that. We need a general solution.

On the tagging mailing list there has been discussion about a middle
solution where we would explicitly map disputed territories. So "our"
boundary could remain according to current definitions, but one could also
map the disputed territory as a separate thing. That way, you could at
least make a map with "this is de facto country X but some countries do not
agree about that", or go the Google Maps way of showing borders according
to the reality which people prefer to see.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] rappel concernant l'élection de OSMF board

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Grace a Guillaume et Pascal Neis, j'ai pu faire quelques simples
statistiques sur le sujet:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/46970

Op vr 16 nov. 2018 om 08:41 schreef Christian Quest :

> Merci Guillaume pour ces infos !
>
> Du coup... peux-tu transmettre très officiellement ma demande de liste des
> membres ayant un droit de vote pour les prochaines élections au Membership
> Working Group ?
>
> Merci d'avance et merci pour ton merci pour l'appel et merci aussi les 89
> nouveaux membres ;)
>
> Disque-lémeur: ce message n'est pas sponsorisé par "madame monsieur"
>
>
> Le ven. 16 nov. 2018 à 00:24, Guillaume Rischard 
> a écrit :
>
>> On 15 Nov 2018, at 09:26, Christian Quest 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Guillaume, comment sais-tu qu'il y a 76 nouveaux membres français ?
>> Où a-t-on accès au détail des membres par pays, voire à la liste des
>> "normal members” ?
>>
>>
>> Je suis membre du *Membership Working Group*, mais chaque membre de la
>> fondation peut demander un accès au registre des membres.
>>
>> On est maintenant à 89 nouveaux membres Français sur les derniers quatre
>> jours. On a donc plus que triplé, et je trouve ça génial. Merci pour ton
>> appel.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

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Hi Doudou,
I don't think anyone has a local domain to show the same as what
openstreetmap.org shows. In fact, I think most people believe
openstreetmap.org should look more like what the local websites look like,
rather than the other way around.
In the previous version of osm.be, there was in fact a link to "oh you just
want to see the default map" somewhere prominent on the page. I think it
was a conscious choice -not- to do that this time, but maybe we do have to
offer an alternative to that. For example: "I just want to see the map"
which leads to a page explaining there is only "the" database, and many
maps. With of course a link to the openstreetmap.org rendering of the map.

Op ma 12 nov. 2018 om 08:21 schreef OSMDoudou <
19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com>:

> It’s fine as long as it’s consistent and predictable for the user.
>
> If a regional domain shows a map and another the chapter info, it can be
> confusing.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] official meeting on November 13th

[joost schouppe]

Hi,
Because we sent this message real quick (because of the deadline of Oct
28th) it was only in English. The invite mail to the members will also be
in French and Dutch. But since this is already an official announcements,
it's good practice to provide translations. I'll do it now for Dutch. If
anyone wants to reply with a French translation, that would be awesome.
Some people were surprised not to find themselves on the member list. This
is based on the "Join" form on osm.be, and was subsequently cleaned by
asking people to reconfirm their membership sometime later. Unfortunately,
the registration form is down at this time. If you have any issues or want
to register now, please contact me or bo...@osm.be

One more agenda item by now: we are looking into a somewhat formal project
with the Flemish Red Cross. It would be a good time to make sure no one
sees issues with that.
And a correction: we don't "aim for a week", we've already set a date and
place: November 13th at "de Markten" in Brussels.
---

Ter gelegenheid van het feit dat OpenStreetMap-Belgium nu een officieel
Local Chapter van de OpenStreetMap Foundation is, vonden we het tijd om nog
eens na te denken over onze organisatie. Tijd voor een officiële
bijeenkomst! Deze zal doorgaan op 13 november. Je kan online deelnemen via
het Riot-kanaal speciaal voor meetings:
https://riot.im/app/#/room/#osmbe-meetings:matrix.org) of face to face in
café De Markten in Brussel . Het idee is dat het een bijeenkomst is zoals
de gewoonlijke meetups, maar met een officiële agenda. Iedereen die lid is
(wat betekent dat je op deze lijst staat:
https://members.osm.be/list.php?lang=en_US) kan stemmen, en we kunnen
stemmen over alles wat op de agenda staat. Deze agenda moet afgesloten
worden op 29 oktober, dus deel eventuele agendapunten zo snel mogelijk door
hier or privé te antwoorden.

Topics waar we zelf aan dachten:
* beslissen over een code of conduct (voorstel staat op
https://github.com/osmbe/working-group-bylaws)

* de werking van de board evalueren: manier van werken, aantal leden,
wanneer verkiezingen?

* verfijnen wat het betekent om lid te zijn (minimumvereisten, beter
uitleggen)

* hoe meer leden actief krijgen?

* huidige prioriteiten en sluiten ze aan bij wat de leden willen?

* mogelijke samenwerking met het Vlaamse Rode Kruis

Als je dat wil, dan kan je inschrijven via
https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/255829090/
(of laat het weten)

Iedereen is welkom! Maar om te stemmen moet je al 60 dagen lid zijn. Je kan
dit nakijken via http://members.osm.be/list.php

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm - arlon - training course / evangelization

[joost schouppe]

Cool!
Let us know how it went.

Op do 4 okt. 2018 om 14:00 schreef Pierre Parmentier <
pierrecparment...@gmail.com>:

> For your information.
>
> I shall deliver some information at the Espace public numérique (EPN)
> d'Arlon <https://www.epnarlon.com/nos-ateliers/> about OpenStreetMap. In
> French.
>
>- 23 October 2018 at 9.00*: Consulter OpenStreetMap*
>- 23 October 2018, at 13.00: *Consulter OpenStreetMap* (same subject)
>- 6 November 2018 at 9.00: *Contribuer à OpenStreetMap*
>- *27 *November 2018 at 9.00: *Contribuer à OpenStreetMap*
>
> Reg
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[OSM-talk-be] official meeting on November 13th

[joost schouppe]

 Hi,

OpenStreetMap Belgium is now an official Chapter of the OpenStreetMap
Foundation. Time to take the organisation a bit further: so let's have an
official meeting. We would aim for the week of November 13th for this
meeting. Participation can be online (dedicated Riot channel:
https://riot.im/app/#/room/#osmbe-meetings:matrix.org) or face to face in
Brussels. The idea would be to have the usual discussions, but also have an
official agenda. Everyone who is a member (which means being on this list:
https://members.osm.be/list.php?lang=en_US) can vote; and we can vote on
anything that is on the agenda. The agenda has to be closed two weeks in
advance, so please share your ideas by October 28th.
Subjects we had in mind ourselves:

   - voting on the proposed code of conduct (
   https://github.com/osmbe/working-group-bylaws)

   - evaluating the board: way of working, number of members, new elections?


   - further defining what it means to be a member (minimum requierements,
   better explaining)


   - how to activate more members?


   - current priorities and are they in line with what the membership wants?

We made a meetup event for those that like that:
https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/255829090/

Anyone is welcome, but to be able to vote, you need to have been a member
for at least 60 days. You can check if you are a member on
http://members.osm.be/list.php

Members will also get an invite through the membership mailing list.

All the best,
Ben, Jonathan & Joost
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[OSM-talk-be] Foss4g : register for your free ticket

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Hi,

In October 25th, there will be another Belgian Foss4g conference. This is
the yearly event bringing together open source geo developers and users.
There will also be some OpenStreetMap related presentations: about
switching to OSM by Jonathan Beliën and about mapping future change by
yours truly.

We hope to see you there!

Program and registration through the website:
https://2018.foss4g.be/
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[OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

Since OpenStreetMap Belgium recently became an official Local Chapter of
the OpenStreetMap Foundation, we finally got the www.OpenStreetMap.be
domain. Everything is set up now that this domain refers to the existing
osm.be website and subdomains.

That means that www.osm.be is still the most important url. Since OSM is a
less known term than OpenStreetMap, I would personally prefer to use the
full version as the primary address, with OSM.be still working but just as
an alias.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] cadastral plan now open data

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

André asked to include the WMS of this service by default in the JOSM
repository. A long conversation ensued. Some of the confusion is caused by
the fact that the WMS probably contains outdated license info. I have now
asked the FOD Finances for a second time to clarify this. The ticket was
closed, which is probably a good thing, as it is probably not a good idea
to show this data by default in JOSM anyway!

But even for the license of the downloadable files the JOSM team seemed a
bit worried: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/16693#comment:7
When I read the license, I felt attribution requierement in the license was
defined loosely enough that mentioning it under Contributors would be
enough. It would be nice to hear from other people how they interpret this
license.

Op vr 24 aug. 2018 om 13:58 schreef joost schouppe :

> Hi,
>
> The cadastral plan is now open data for the entire country!
>
> That's pretty big because:
> - for Wallonia, it's the first open vector data with parcels, buildings,
> roads and road names.
> - contains "underground buildings" which were not available anywhere AFAIK.
> - there's a dataset with roads that have some kind of
> "erfdienstbaarheid"/"servitude". This might be of use for certain dubious
> paths
>
> But of course, please note:
> - there is way more data where this came from - the attributes of the
> parcel are not included (like building levels, number of units, landuse)
> - Belgian cadastre data has a bad reputation in general so do not trust
> everything you see. The building geometry seems to be quite poor,
> especially when it comes to exact positioning, not so much the shape itself.
> - do not trust road name data (it doesn't follow the CRAB name, so not
> official in Flanders). Names are often abbreviated
> - the roads do not form a network, there are duplicate geometries and some
> geometries are outdated by half a century
> - there is pretty good metadata included. However, you might find data
> that does not follow the explained model
>
> The license file is included in any download. It seems to be compatible
> with OSM, but it would be nice if more people give it a good read. The
> first one to use it for mapping, does need to add it to
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors
>
> The data is in shapefile format (b!), but Philippe Duchesne has made a
> download site where you can get it in geopackage format. There is also a
> "view" link. To actually see the data there, find the big switches to
> activate the layers you want to see. The bigger ones take a while to load!
>
> More details:
> * Official website:
>
> https://financien.belgium.be/nl/particulieren/woning/kadaster/kadastraal-plan
>
> https://finances.belgium.be/fr/particuliers/habitation/revenu_cadastral/plan-cadastral
>
> * Metadata:
>
> https://financien.belgium.be/sites/default/files/20180626_Dataspecificaties.pdf
>
> https://finances.belgium.be/sites/default/files/20180626_Specificationsdata.pdf
>
> * Repackaged into an open data format:
> http://data.highlatitud.es/cadaster-belgium/
>
> We think this data will only be usable for validation efforts. If you
> think an import could be useful for some of the data in some places, do not
> forget to follow the Import Guidelines or risk having your work reverted.
>
> Happy mapping,
> --
> Joost Schouppe
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> Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn
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> <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/>
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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSGeo.be-Announce] foss4g.be: Call for presentations - Appel à présentations - Oproep voor presentaties (reminder)

[joost schouppe]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Johan Van de Wauw 
Date: ma 3 sep. 2018 om 09:46
Subject: [OSGeo.be-Announce] foss4g.be: Call for presentations - Appel à
présentations - Oproep voor presentaties (reminder)
To: Moritz Lennert 
Cc: 


Reminder: the call for presentations will close tomorrow night.
Herinnering: de oproep voor presentaties sluit morgenavond
Rappel: l'appel à présentations se terminera demain soir.


Pour la version française de cet appel:
https://2018.foss4g.be/papers.php?lang=fr
Voor de nederlandse versie van deze oproep:
https://2018.foss4g.be/papers.php?lang=nl
To immediately jump to the full information in English:
https://2018.foss4g.be/papers.php?lang=en


After successful events in 2015, 2016 and 2017, OSGeo.be will organize
another edition of the FOSS4G Belgium Conference on Thursday 25 October
2018 in Brussels. We are looking for contributors who want to support
this event through a presentation.

FOSS4G conferences gather developers and users of Open Source geospatial
software from around the world to discuss new directions, exciting
implementations, and growing business opportunities in this domain.
Recent years have seen substantial changes in the geospatial industry.
One of those changes has been the growth in maturity and adoption of
Free and Open Source solutions. In many cases organizations are using a
mixture of open and closed source solutions.

We will share knowledge and experiences during the whole event through
presentations and demonstrations with 25 minutes each at most.

To submit a proposal go to http://2018.foss4g.be/submit-paper.php.

Looking forward to hearing from you !

Best wishes,

the foss4g.be team
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[OSM-talk-be] cadastral plan now open data

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

The cadastral plan is now open data for the entire country!

That's pretty big because:
- for Wallonia, it's the first open vector data with parcels, buildings,
roads and road names.
- contains "underground buildings" which were not available anywhere AFAIK.
- there's a dataset with roads that have some kind of
"erfdienstbaarheid"/"servitude". This might be of use for certain dubious
paths

But of course, please note:
- there is way more data where this came from - the attributes of the
parcel are not included (like building levels, number of units, landuse)
- Belgian cadastre data has a bad reputation in general so do not trust
everything you see. The building geometry seems to be quite poor,
especially when it comes to exact positioning, not so much the shape itself.
- do not trust road name data (it doesn't follow the CRAB name, so not
official in Flanders). Names are often abbreviated
- the roads do not form a network, there are duplicate geometries and some
geometries are outdated by half a century
- there is pretty good metadata included. However, you might find data that
does not follow the explained model

The license file is included in any download. It seems to be compatible
with OSM, but it would be nice if more people give it a good read. The
first one to use it for mapping, does need to add it to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors

The data is in shapefile format (b!), but Philippe Duchesne has made a
download site where you can get it in geopackage format. There is also a
"view" link. To actually see the data there, find the big switches to
activate the layers you want to see. The bigger ones take a while to load!

More details:
* Official website:
https://financien.belgium.be/nl/particulieren/woning/kadaster/kadastraal-plan
https://finances.belgium.be/fr/particuliers/habitation/revenu_cadastral/plan-cadastral

* Metadata:
https://financien.belgium.be/sites/default/files/20180626_Dataspecificaties.pdf
https://finances.belgium.be/sites/default/files/20180626_Specificationsdata.pdf

* Repackaged into an open data format:
http://data.highlatitud.es/cadaster-belgium/

We think this data will only be usable for validation efforts. If you think
an import could be useful for some of the data in some places, do not
forget to follow the Import Guidelines or risk having your work reverted.

Happy mapping,
-- 
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