Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info

[Andy Mabbett]

On 22 September 2016 at 05:00, Jo  wrote:

[big snip]

> It's a mess. The route planners do work to give you the best connections,
> but tarification is opaque.

Please add your excellent, detailed answer to the existing info on Wikivoyage:

   https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Brussels

so that others may find and benefit from it.

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Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info

[Jo]

A bicycle is indeed very convenient (in combination with OSMAND). Cycling
in Brussels was a crazy thing to do 20 years ago, but things have improved
for the better.

The terrain goes up and down though, so be prepared for some uphill.

Polyglot

2016-09-22 11:36 GMT+02:00 Rafael Avila Coya :

> To move around Brussels, you can also use the Villo! bicycle network [1].
> You can get a ticket for a day or a week. Very cheap [2], and it's working
> very well for me.
>
> To buy a card, you can do it at any Villo! station.
>
> I am usin AllBikesNow [3] android app to check nearest bicycle stations.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael.
>
> [1] http://en.villo.be/
>
> [2] http://en.villo.be/Rates/Rates/Consult-the-rates
>
> [3] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jcdecaux.a
> llbikesnow=nl
>
>
> On 22/09/16 07:59, Stephan Knauss wrote:
>
>> On 22.09.2016 06:00, Jo wrote:
>>
>>> The reason for the extra fee on top of STIB/MIVB tickets is that they
>>> operate in Brussels, but the airport is 'out of their normal reach',
>>> over in Flanders.
>>>
>>
>> They could state it clearer that the airport is outside the network.
>> Thanks for the explanation.
>>
>> The cheapest (€3) way to get from the airport to Brussels is using De
>>> Lijn 272, 471, BUT that will take about an hour to get to the wrong side
>>> of the city. The terminus at North Station is not the VUB campus.
>>>
>> Perfect for me as I will arrive in the evening and have a hotel in that
>> area. Thanks again.
>>
>> From there to the VUB campus sounds easy again as it is all within the
>> city, so all transports are available.
>>
>> Stephan
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info

[Rafael Avila Coya]

To move around Brussels, you can also use the Villo! bicycle network 
[1]. You can get a ticket for a day or a week. Very cheap [2], and it's 
working very well for me.


To buy a card, you can do it at any Villo! station.

I am usin AllBikesNow [3] android app to check nearest bicycle stations.

Cheers,

Rafael.

[1] http://en.villo.be/

[2] http://en.villo.be/Rates/Rates/Consult-the-rates

[3] 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jcdecaux.allbikesnow=nl


On 22/09/16 07:59, Stephan Knauss wrote:

On 22.09.2016 06:00, Jo wrote:

The reason for the extra fee on top of STIB/MIVB tickets is that they
operate in Brussels, but the airport is 'out of their normal reach',
over in Flanders.


They could state it clearer that the airport is outside the network.
Thanks for the explanation.


The cheapest (€3) way to get from the airport to Brussels is using De
Lijn 272, 471, BUT that will take about an hour to get to the wrong side
of the city. The terminus at North Station is not the VUB campus.

Perfect for me as I will arrive in the evening and have a hotel in that
area. Thanks again.

From there to the VUB campus sounds easy again as it is all within the
city, so all transports are available.

Stephan



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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info

[Stephan Knauss]

On 22.09.2016 06:00, Jo wrote:

The reason for the extra fee on top of STIB/MIVB tickets is that they
operate in Brussels, but the airport is 'out of their normal reach',
over in Flanders.


They could state it clearer that the airport is outside the network. 
Thanks for the explanation.



The cheapest (€3) way to get from the airport to Brussels is using De
Lijn 272, 471, BUT that will take about an hour to get to the wrong side
of the city. The terminus at North Station is not the VUB campus.
Perfect for me as I will arrive in the evening and have a hotel in that 
area. Thanks again.


From there to the VUB campus sounds easy again as it is all within the 
city, so all transports are available.


Stephan



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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info

[Jo]

The reason for the Diabolo tax (when you take the train), is that extra
rails and tunnels were built to make the airport connection a lot smoother.

http://www.belgianrail.be/jp/sncb-nmbs-routeplanner/query.exe/en?S=Brussels+Airport+-+Zaventem=Delta=23/09/2016=05:46=1=depart&=A=1@O=Brussels%20Airport%20-%20Zaventem@X=4482076@Y=50896456@U=80@L=008819406@B=1@p=1474500303@n=ac.1=GA@=A=1@O=Delta@X=4403869@Y=50818358@U=80@L=008811205@B=1@p=1474500303@n=ac.1=GA@_prod_list=3:0111#focus

The reason for the extra fee on top of STIB/MIVB tickets is that they
operate in Brussels, but the airport is 'out of their normal reach', over
in Flanders. So if you take bus 12 or 21, you have to buy a supplementary
ticket at their vending machines. The JUMP ticket is issued by them and
they made agreements with the other operators so inside the Brussels region
it's possible to use the other means of transport as well. The airport is
not within Brussels region.

http://www.stib-mivb.be/tripplanner/TravelPlans?Accessible=false=false=true=false=false=false=true=false=false=false=true=true=false=2016-9-23=8232=Stop==false==9600=Stop=12%2C5==false=5%3A50=SpecifiedDepartureTime=false===en


The cheapest (€3) way to get from the airport to Brussels is using De Lijn
272, 471, BUT that will take about an hour to get to the wrong side of the
city. The terminus at North Station is not the VUB campus. Their focus is
serving Flanders, and although they do continue into Brussels, it's not the
priority.

https://www.delijn.be/en/routeplanner/resultaten.html?from=Brussels+Airport%2C+Zaventem=158094=176021=Station+Delta+%5BB%5D=152475=167548=23-09-2016=1=05%3A55=on=on=on=off=off

If you see colours on the line numbers, they are operated by De Lijn. If
the numbers are black, they are operated by STIB/MIVB and your ticket of De
Lijn won't be valid on those.


It's a mess. The route planners do work to give you the best connections,
but tarification is opaque. Even more so for locals who have abonnement for
one of the operators, or who arrive by train, giving them the right to use
the train to continue to any station in Brussels.

Polyglot

2016-09-21 23:16 GMT+02:00 Ruben :

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:58:29 +0200
> Christian Rogel  wrote:
>
> > Le 21 sept. 2016 à 22:31, Stephan Knauss  a
> écrit :
> > >
> > > I am just completing my trip planning to ensure a smooth arrival at
> SOTM. The Brussels public transport leaves me a bit uncertain.
> > >
> > > I will arrive at Brussels Airport.
> > >
> > > The trip planner suggests to take a train 3737 to Bruxelles Nord.
> > > http://www.stib-mivb.be/reisweg-itineraire.html?l=en
> > >
> > > I wonder: Is this also included in the Jump 24h ticket costing 7.50
> EUR?
> > > The website mentiones a Bourget-Brussels Airport section
> > > http://www.stib-mivb.be/1-jour-dag.html?l=en
> > >
> > > But if I check the website of the train, then it says I should get a
> Standard ticket for 8,60 EUR. Why would it suggest that if I could go for
> Jump with 7,50? Sounds like it is not included.
> > >
> > > http://www.belgianrail.be/en/travel-tickets/which-is-the-
> right-ticket-for-me.aspx
> > >
> > > Is the Jump ticket maybe not valid for trains? Is it valid for the bus
> lines to the airport only?
> > >
> > > Would be great is a seasoned Brussels traveler can give some details.
> > >
> > > Thanks, and see you at SOTM,
> > >
> >
> > You will have a yes answer there : https://www.stib-mivb.be/1-
> jour-dag.html?l=en
> >
> > From Bruxelles
> >
> > See you maybe there,
> >
> > Christian Rogel
>
> SNCB=NBMS, the train operator in the whole of Belgium
> STIB=MIVB, Brussels' bus, tram and metro operator
> TEC, Wallonia's bus, tram and metro operator, also active in Brussels
> De Lijn, Flanders' bus, tram and metro operator, also active in Brussels
>
> Although I'm not familiar with JUMP passes, according to the SNCB/NMBS
> they are valid on all public transport operators I mentioned above:
> http://www.belgianrail.be/en/travel-tickets/passes-cards/jump.aspx
>
> Beware when traveling by train from/to Brussels Airport: you may have to
> pay an additional "Diabolo" fee: http://www.belgianrail.be/en/
> travel-tickets/tickets/diabolo-fee-to-airport/no-diabolo.aspx. As far as
> I can see, you have to pay it when using a JUMP pass.
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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info

[Ruben]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:58:29 +0200
Christian Rogel  wrote:

> Le 21 sept. 2016 à 22:31, Stephan Knauss  a écrit :
> > 
> > I am just completing my trip planning to ensure a smooth arrival at SOTM. 
> > The Brussels public transport leaves me a bit uncertain.
> > 
> > I will arrive at Brussels Airport.
> > 
> > The trip planner suggests to take a train 3737 to Bruxelles Nord.
> > http://www.stib-mivb.be/reisweg-itineraire.html?l=en
> > 
> > I wonder: Is this also included in the Jump 24h ticket costing 7.50 EUR?
> > The website mentiones a Bourget-Brussels Airport section
> > http://www.stib-mivb.be/1-jour-dag.html?l=en
> > 
> > But if I check the website of the train, then it says I should get a 
> > Standard ticket for 8,60 EUR. Why would it suggest that if I could go for 
> > Jump with 7,50? Sounds like it is not included.
> > 
> > http://www.belgianrail.be/en/travel-tickets/which-is-the-right-ticket-for-me.aspx
> > 
> > Is the Jump ticket maybe not valid for trains? Is it valid for the bus 
> > lines to the airport only?
> > 
> > Would be great is a seasoned Brussels traveler can give some details.
> > 
> > Thanks, and see you at SOTM,
> >   
> 
> You will have a yes answer there : 
> https://www.stib-mivb.be/1-jour-dag.html?l=en
> 
> From Bruxelles
> 
> See you maybe there,
> 
> Christian Rogel

SNCB=NBMS, the train operator in the whole of Belgium
STIB=MIVB, Brussels' bus, tram and metro operator
TEC, Wallonia's bus, tram and metro operator, also active in Brussels
De Lijn, Flanders' bus, tram and metro operator, also active in Brussels

Although I'm not familiar with JUMP passes, according to the SNCB/NMBS they are 
valid on all public transport operators I mentioned above: 
http://www.belgianrail.be/en/travel-tickets/passes-cards/jump.aspx

Beware when traveling by train from/to Brussels Airport: you may have to pay an 
additional "Diabolo" fee: 
http://www.belgianrail.be/en/travel-tickets/tickets/diabolo-fee-to-airport/no-diabolo.aspx.
 As far as I can see, you have to pay it when using a JUMP pass.

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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info

[Christian Rogel]

Le 21 sept. 2016 à 22:31, Stephan Knauss  a écrit :
> 
> I am just completing my trip planning to ensure a smooth arrival at SOTM. The 
> Brussels public transport leaves me a bit uncertain.
> 
> I will arrive at Brussels Airport.
> 
> The trip planner suggests to take a train 3737 to Bruxelles Nord.
> http://www.stib-mivb.be/reisweg-itineraire.html?l=en
> 
> I wonder: Is this also included in the Jump 24h ticket costing 7.50 EUR?
> The website mentiones a Bourget-Brussels Airport section
> http://www.stib-mivb.be/1-jour-dag.html?l=en
> 
> But if I check the website of the train, then it says I should get a Standard 
> ticket for 8,60 EUR. Why would it suggest that if I could go for Jump with 
> 7,50? Sounds like it is not included.
> 
> http://www.belgianrail.be/en/travel-tickets/which-is-the-right-ticket-for-me.aspx
> 
> Is the Jump ticket maybe not valid for trains? Is it valid for the bus lines 
> to the airport only?
> 
> Would be great is a seasoned Brussels traveler can give some details.
> 
> Thanks, and see you at SOTM,
> 

You will have a yes answer there : https://www.stib-mivb.be/1-jour-dag.html?l=en

From Bruxelles

See you maybe there,

Christian Rogel

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[OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info

[Stephan Knauss]

Hello,

I am just completing my trip planning to ensure a smooth arrival at 
SOTM. The Brussels public transport leaves me a bit uncertain.


I will arrive at Brussels Airport.

The trip planner suggests to take a train 3737 to Bruxelles Nord.
http://www.stib-mivb.be/reisweg-itineraire.html?l=en

I wonder: Is this also included in the Jump 24h ticket costing 7.50 EUR?
The website mentiones a Bourget-Brussels Airport section
http://www.stib-mivb.be/1-jour-dag.html?l=en

But if I check the website of the train, then it says I should get a 
Standard ticket for 8,60 EUR. Why would it suggest that if I could go 
for Jump with 7,50? Sounds like it is not included.


http://www.belgianrail.be/en/travel-tickets/which-is-the-right-ticket-for-me.aspx

Is the Jump ticket maybe not valid for trains? Is it valid for the bus 
lines to the airport only?


Would be great is a seasoned Brussels traveler can give some details.

Thanks, and see you at SOTM,

Stephan

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