Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Phil Wyatt
There are also specialised open Cycle maps with their own renders of useful facilities for cyclists https://www.opencyclemap.org/#map=18/-38.07459/145.12193 https://www.opencyclemap.org/docs/ https://www.cyclosm.org/#map=15/-38.0694/145.1391/cyclosm Cheers - Phil From: Adam Horan

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Sebastian Azagra Flores via Talk-au
I was referring to working within OSM and seeing brown dotted vs blue dotted lines for a path. If you see a blue shared paths in OSM then you know that that bikes are allowed by default , however if a footpath allows bicycles then you would need to see the tags associated with it to know the

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Adam Horan
Ah well I don't see much difference between =yes and =designated, but to others there's a clear difference.  Given the other responses it seems that =designated is the preference for shared paths. As for *"Visually it’s much easier to see a shared path rather than to review the tags for

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Sebastian Azagra Flores via Talk-au
Hi Adam Interesting to see your thoughts below in relation to Victoria. My point all along has been bikes are not permitted on footy paths used signed as allowed or should it be a shared path instead? In which case is there a preference in using footpath with the tags highway=footway +

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread osm.talk-au
If there is a sign, then it’s =designated, not =yes From: Adam Horan Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 09:24 To: Kim Oldfield ; OpenStreetMap-AU Mailing List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths Hi Kim, highway = pedestrian is for pedestrianised roads/areas rather then

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Philip Mallis
Hi, For shared paths, agree with Andrew that the tags should be bicycle=designated + foot=designated + segregated=no. There’s a legacy tag issue in Victoria where many shared paths are still tagged as highway=cycleway only, which is slowly being fixed. Philip From: Andrew HarveySent: Monday, 4

Re: [talk-au] Searching for tags?

2021-10-04 Thread Ben Kelley
Thanks all. Perfect! I just found one that we could see from the water (i.e. it seems like there's a boat ramp over there somewhere) but we couldn't find on land. - Ben. On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 10:14, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Oops, it didn't show automatically, so click on the "Run" button!

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Adam Horan
Hi Kim, highway = pedestrian is for pedestrianised roads/areas rather then footpaths/sidewalks/pavements for those I think the current tag is highway=footway. bridleway isn't in use in Australia much for the path types we're discussing here. I'd prefer a normal footpath to be highway=footway -

Re: [talk-au] Searching for tags?

2021-10-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Oops, it didn't show automatically, so click on the "Run" button! Thanks Graeme On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 09:13, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Adam beat me to it, but here you go: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1bKw > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 09:01, Adam Horan wrote: > >> For

Re: [talk-au] Searching for tags?

2021-10-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Adam beat me to it, but here you go: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1bKw Thanks Graeme On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 09:01, Adam Horan wrote: > For super powered searching you need https://overpass-turbo.eu/ > > On the bottom right of the wiki page is a link to overpass which will > embed a simple

Re: [talk-au] Searching for tags?

2021-10-04 Thread Adam Horan
For super powered searching you need https://overpass-turbo.eu/ On the bottom right of the wiki page is a link to overpass which will embed a simple query for the tag key-value. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dslipway The query can be modified to search a wider area, but

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 22:48, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > highway=bridleway - bicycle=yes, foot=yes. I don't know enough about bridleways in Australia to have an opinion on this. Either do I, but these could possibly be left as unspecified, because it would /

[talk-au] Searching for tags?

2021-10-04 Thread Ben Kelley
In our search for boat ramps around here we found that there are heaps that Google doesn't know about. We found 3 yesterday that Google didn't have. Of those OSM had 2 of 3 (and I found a 4th in OSM I didn't know about). How can you search for a specific feature in OSM? If you search for

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Kim Oldfield via Talk-au
Hi Andrew and list, How do we go about formalising these decisions? Is there a vote process, or does someone take it upon themselves to document in the wiki any consensus we reach on this list? We should document in the wiki when to add bicycle= and foot= tags which duplicate the default

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Andrew Harvey
With my DWG hat on, to summarise it looks like Graeme, Tony, Thorsten, Kim all advocate for not blanket tagging bicycle=no to every normal footpath (for the record I also support this, an explicit bicycle=no can still be tagged where signage is indicating such). Matthew has pointed out cases where

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 18:18, Sebastian Azagra Flores via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > The question is when is a foothpath with bicycles=yes considered a shared > path? > Should a shared paths be used over footpath=yes ? > >From my NSW perspective, shared paths are always tagged

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Sebastian Azagra Flores via Talk-au
quot;legal access rules > > for this mode are not a simple yes or no and you should consult local > > signage and local laws". > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Andy > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-au mai

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Adam Horan
ighway=path" should be treated like a highway=footway for foot traffic, > and bicycle=designated that a a "highway=path" should be treated like a > highway=cycleway for bicycle traffic. It doesn't mean "legal access rules > for this mode are not a simple yes or no

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-04 Thread Matthew Seale
These are the results of some Mapilliary browsing cycleways/shared paths adjacent to primary roads in and around Greater Dandenong where Sebastian / HighRouleur removed bicycle access (converted to footpath or bicycle=no). Each of these has visible shared cycling path signs on Mapilliary. I