Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
Wow, you infer a lot from my four word sentence. Do you have any
evidence to back any of it up?
You mean other than the message you affirmed pretty strongly?
Maybe it's a difference between Australian English and British English,
but I'd think those four
Thanks for the responses. So it seems there will be some fragmentation. Some
are moving to fosm, some are moving elsewhere, some are staying with OSM,
some have stopped actively contributing and are on hold... I wrote this mail
for two reasons, to get a sense of where local contributors stand, but
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.comwrote:
The more who contribute directly to fosm rather than OSM, the less the work
there will be for fosmers dealing with duplicated data resulting from
merges. If it becomes a big problem, I think we should be able to do
FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons.
The people running it are ineffective, the data will be incompatible
when OSM switches, fosm doesn't have any of the agreements to derive
data from aerial imagery. I could go on, but those are the big ticket items.
Everyone should be aware of
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons.
The people running it are ineffective, the data will be incompatible when
OSM switches, fosm doesn't have any of the agreements to derive data from
aerial imagery. I could
On 7/7/2011 7:15 AM, 80n wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com
mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote:
FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons.
The people running it are ineffective, the data will be
incompatible when OSM switches, fosm doesn't
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
You've been very successful at perverting certain sections of the
community, Australia being a good example ...
Steve, please don't underestimate the ability of Australia to filter
bullshit.
I just want to:
1) be able to
On 7/7/2011 7:40 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com
mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote:
You've been very successful at perverting certain sections of the
community, Australia being a good example ...
Steve, please don't
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
...I believe we should spend energy enlightening aerial providers (or wait
for them to catch up)
Yup, I'm waiting... (I just wanted to point out why I have stopped
contributing - it's not in protest, and not because I've
On 7 July 2011 15:09, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
FOSMs not going anywhere for some simple reasons.
The people running it are ineffective, the data will be incompatible when
OSM switches, fosm doesn't have any of the agreements to derive data from
aerial imagery. I could go on, but
Why did you stop then? Is there no aerial imagery where you are other
than nearmap?
On 7/7/2011 8:03 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com
mailto:st...@asklater.com wrote:
...I believe we should spend energy enlightening aerial
On 8 July 2011 00:55, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
We've gone to insanely long lengths to make that the case, including getting
clarifications from Ordnance Survey, Nearmap and many others. As far as I'm
aware there are no remaining issues as to why you can't click 'accept'.
He said
On 08/07/11 00:01, 80n wrote:
The probability of collisions is quite small in practice. We are able
to automatically sync all OSM updates into fosm.org http://fosm.org in
near real time. Consequenly fosm.org http://fosm.org already has more
content than OSM and the gap will continue to widen.
On 8 July 2011 06:46, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
What particularly turns me off fosm.org is that I am unable to see a map
when I go to the site. Using Firefox on Linux, I click on Maps and get
FOSM based tiles are being uploaded to archive.org:
On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 08:11 -0700, Steve Coast wrote:
Why did you stop then? Is there no aerial imagery where you are other
than nearmap?
Theres this thing in Australia called loyalty. You seem to understand
very little about Australian culture. Its almost the height of rudeness
after someone
Hi John,
At low zoom I see lots of broken tiles. I was looking at Hobart. Any Ideas?
Neal
- Original Message -
From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
To: John Henderson snow...@gmx.com
Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Friday, 8 July, 2011 6:53:00 AM
Subject: Re: [talk-au]
I wonder if people would mind keeping their unconstructive comments for some
other medium than this list.
On Jul 8, 2011 9:24 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
Theres this thing in Australia called loyalty. You seem to understand
very little about Australian culture. Its almost
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote:
Since the ban on all contributors who didn't sign the CTs, and ban on all
new contributors from using NearMap and other CC-BY/CC-BY-SA sources, I'm no
longer actively contributing to the OSM database. Instead I am now
On 7 July 2011 22:55, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
On 7/7/2011 7:40 AM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
You've been very successful at perverting certain sections of the
community, Australia being a good example ...
On 6 July 2011 21:29, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote:
and also people who ticked the CTs who have used CC-BY/CC-BY-SA sources in
the past who may want to keep this data and continue using these sources in
the future.
Indeed. Number 9 on the list is
This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's not
much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where we are
at and now it's down to people holding out because of a comma in the wrong
place or a moral objection to various aspects of intellectual
On 8 July 2011 13:26, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
The vast majority of people are happy with where we are at
What about the 50 odd percent of people that haven't responded?
I don't see how it's reasonable to throw everything away for one guy who
doesn't like his countries laws.
So
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:26 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
I don't see how it's reasonable to throw everything away for one guy who
doesn't like his
countries laws.
There are more countries without sui generis database rights laws than with it.
On 8 July 2011 13:26, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
The vast majority of people are happy with where we are at
From what I've read on ML posts, and from what was reported about the last
SotM meeting (I wasn't there), the vast majority of people don't care and
would be happy with the status
I would phrase it that the vast majority aren't lawyers and don't want to
become one, therefore don't know the implications of the problems with cc. That
is all this is predicated upon, lawyers say that cc doesn't work for data. If
they didn't say that then we would never have gone down this
What you say mike is mostly reasonable apart from the control bit. It's a
democratically elected nonprofit, so it's hard to cast that as a dictatorship.
Steve
stevecoast.com
On Jul 7, 2011, at 20:47, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Chris
On 8 July 2011 13:54, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
I would phrase it that the vast majority aren't lawyers and don't want to
become one, therefore don't know the implications of the problems with cc.
It's a false assumption, the only way it would be geo factual data is
if you copied 1:1
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:54 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
I would phrase it that the vast majority aren't lawyers and don't want to
become one, therefore don't know the implications of the problems with cc.
That is all this is predicated upon, lawyers say that cc doesn't work for
data.
Actually, the license process has been known about for a long, long time so
it's not this new turnaround you cast it as. In addition, everyone else (bing,
ordnance survey...) has worked with us very reasonably. In fact it's hard to
say near map have been unreasonable, just that they were not
The control seems to be good, but I have no personal say in it.
The new license maybe good, but I dont want to accept it if I dont
understand it 100%.
With the new distributed system we are building I can :
1. Host my own maps without begging or asking for permissions.
2. Commit my own code to
On 8 July 2011 14:06, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Actually, the license process has been known about for a long, long time so
it's not this new turnaround you cast it as. In addition, everyone else
(bing, ordnance survey...) has worked with us very reasonably. In fact it's
hard to say
On 8 July 2011 14:06, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
As for this 'uk mob' thing, that too is unreasonable. As a democratically
elected board, we have members from many countries and you are invited to get
involved or run for election.
Is it true that you had to do a lot of rule fiddling so
Nathan
I've been mapping farm fences etc in the Yass, NSW
area, where the Bing resolution is high enough to do so
Hi Nathan,
Do you live near Yass? If so can you throw any light on the two or three
streets that don't have street signs on them?
I've tried many times to find names for the road
On 8 July 2011 11:26, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's
not much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where
we are at and now it's down to people holding out because of a comma in the
wrong
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:37 AM, James Andrewartha
tr...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote:
On 8 July 2011 11:26, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's
not much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where
we
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