the fact that the message arrived via the OSM messaging system!
My suspicion would be that they are sending them to people in particular
areas and/or who are frequent editors. They show some signs of being
tailored to the user's home location for example.
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It's hardly impossible imagine research in the area of human behaviour
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say.
I think some of them do say other things, yes.
Still waiting for a reply from the people I emailed last night.
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how they can improve things.
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in advance what the impact of any
given change will be on every possible combination of tags that may have
been used somewhere on earth.
Sure, it would be lovely to have a test server where changes could be
tried before putting them live. We don't have infinite resources though.
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On 25/07/14 15:20, SomeoneElse wrote:
On 25/07/2014 15:03, Tom Hughes wrote:
How about assuming good intent ...
No-one's suggesting anything other than people wanting to make the
standard layer better. It's better for what that's the issue. I
think that we ought to be making a map style
On 25/07/14 15:33, SomeoneElse wrote:
On 25/07/2014 15:26, Tom Hughes wrote:
For the record I personally was perfectly happy to see things like
long obliterated railways removed from the standard rendering.
We never (well not for 5 years or so?) rendered dismantled railways -
it's
On 25/07/14 15:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2014-07-25 16:38 GMT+02:00 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu
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I would dispute the claim that the Hertford East-North link is in
any way a significant feature in the landscape.
Looking at this http://www.hertford.net
twenty years now and to date nobody has managed to come up
with an answer that makes everybody happy so I suggest we don't try and
do so here and now.
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replicated for more topics; and in other territories.
What would you consider a demonstration of success exactly?
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was taking the question of accuracy as a given.
My point was not whether we can accurately add the right tags, but
rather whether doing so is actually useful.
There's an almost infinite number of things we could add, but if nobody
ever uses them, is the time take do so wasted?
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There's an almost infinite number of things we could add, but if nobody ever
uses them, is the time take do so wasted?
Why do you (apparently) suppose they will not be used?
I don't suppose one
postcodes. One covers both
sides for about one third of the length and the other two each cover one
side for the other two thirds.
Postcodes are part of an address and belong to a building, not a street,
so that is where they should be tagged.
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places and what places people would expect
to show up first on the map so while it may be mapping for the renderer
it's also in agreement with the documented meaning of the tag.
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How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas?
You're offering to write one I take it?
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On 14/03/14 15:50, Richard Z. wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:43:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote:
How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas?
You're offering to write one I take it?
will think about one. In the short term, there are open tickets
which
as the only person that will see
it is me.
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a more generic additional comment.
For the love of god, no.
See Merkator commits for the reason why not...
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re-rendering of high zoom tiles.
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On 02/03/14 10:03, Christoph Hormann wrote:
On Sunday 02 March 2014, Tom Hughes wrote:
The load from the re-rendering job is adjustable. Of course, if you
go for a low load, then the re-rendering job will take a lot
longer.
Not really - the load we are talking about is not the pre-rendering
On 02/03/14 12:12, Christoph Hormann wrote:
On Sunday 02 March 2014, Tom Hughes wrote:
http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/11/1577/243.png/status
yevaud: Dirty. Last rendered at Sat Feb 22 03:13:25 2014
orm: Clean. Last rendered at Sun Mar 02 11:43:19 2014.
http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/12
a change in configuration recently that caused this?
There have been several stylesheet updates in the last week so the
servers are very busy and are likely to serve old tiles if they are too
busy to rerender them.
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the globe so we need to find a local way in
each area to define what a tag means so that meaning does not deviate
too much across the globe.
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So unless JOSM were to accept https connections to the remote control
there isn't much we can do.
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On 11/02/14 21:04, Peter Barth wrote:
And another question: Could you consider to favor cacert certificates
over RapidSSL/GeoTrust?
Why would we want to do that? It would cause virtually all our users to
get certificate warnings when visiting the site.
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browser that includes the cacert root certificate.
Look I use cacert and I do have it installed, but the reality is that
most people won't.
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Tom Hughes schrieb:
Other operating systems doesn't really come into it - as far as I know
there is no major browser that includes the cacert root certificate.
At least chrom{e,ium} and konqueror use the system certificates. This
works for me, but you're
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are aware of it, but it's not something we can easily fix until
taginfo is moved in house on to one of our servers, which is something
that is scheduled to happen in the near future.
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That is a user who asked for his account to be deleted.
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are you using? How exactly are you performing the search
when it errors - do you enter return after typing? or click the search
button with them mouse?
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On 03/12/13 16:44, david wrote:
On 03/12/13 14:22, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 03/12/13 14:08, Roger Calvert wrote:
On the new front page, the search button seems to have a broken link -
if you type in a place name (I tried 'Kendal' and 'Barrow') it goes to
http://www.openstreetmap.org/search
of new translations came back this
morning and are deploying now.
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would you have done differently as a result?
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talking about...
This is not something we've ever offered, are you suggesting that it's
something the redesign has removed in some way?
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and introducing themselves.
Maybe it should include people who have signed up in the last N days
regardless of edit count? or have it switchable between different views
like all users, users with edits, new users etc?
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There have been plans to do this ever since it was created. As soon as
the people maintaining and running OWL have something stable for us to
use it will happen.
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to enable it?
In any case, if it isn't a regression then it's out of scope as a bug
report against the redesign.
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, but the vast majority of my
email was explainging the rationale behind the tagging.
Lessons:
* We should be able to explain the reasoning behind our tagging if asked.
Absolutely, and I believe I did so.
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On 03/11/13 19:41, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 03/11/13 19:07, Jonathan wrote:
What we should be mapping is reality, so that people can use that data
to build on. Whether a road is signed in Green, Pink or Purple tells a
user nothing, it may have a legal definition but that is all. The tag
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business/event here and one
for map improvement needed here
Why? Both are calls for the map to be improved surely, even if one is
phrased slightly oddly.
We certainly don't want to maintain a permanent POI layer spearate from
the main data if that's what you're suggesting.
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[central_meridian,-2],
PARAMETER[scale_factor,0.9996012717],
PARAMETER[false_easting,40],
PARAMETER[false_northing,-10],
UNIT[metre,1,
AUTHORITY[EPSG,9001]],
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or in practice. On top of which 0203 is now in
use as well...
That said I see little benefit in a mass edit, especially in cases which
just amount to inserting or moving whitespace. Then again I see little
benefit in adding phone numbers to OSM in the first place.
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the previous such request being applied have been resolved and
I see no mention of them on the PR at the moment.
Closing the previous PR and opening a new one is not somehow going to
make me forget what the issues are...
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against to approve/block a change?
Basically democracy, with anything beyond a fairly small electorate, is
a really bad way of developing things.
One minor query: As with Tom Hughes test page, these require a separate
login, or use OpenID. I presume any edits done under these wont appear
under my
On 08/08/13 14:06, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Tom Hughes wrote:
No, because they each use their own database, which is entirely
separate from the main database.
...and because site improvements often require changes to the database
structure - new columns, new indexes, and so on - so
seven days are not shown on
the web interface, and are not returned (by default) from the API though
that timeout can be varied using the closed parameter when using the API.
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github it is posted as a comment from openstreetmap-website and there is
no way to tell who really made it.
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in 2 and 3.
Low zooms (0 to 12) are not actually updated in real time anyway - they
are only updated periodically by a batch job.
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On 04/07/13 10:48, Christoph Hormann wrote:
On Thursday 04 July 2013, Tom Hughes wrote:
Low zooms (0 to 12) are not actually updated in real time anyway -
they are only updated periodically by a batch job.
But you can still trigger a rerender using /dirty.
At the moment you probably can
actually get for those prices?
Try http://www.conferenceaston.co.uk/Content.aspx?PageID=1705 which has
links to descriptions of the three room types.
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2013/5/30 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu:
Try http://www.conferenceaston.co.uk/Content.aspx?PageID=1705 which has
links to descriptions of the three room types.
I understand there is also a student dorm nearby, but I wasn't able to
find its official
not a general repository of per-country information...
What next? Tagging countries with president=fred_bloggs?
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Because that makes for an appalling user experience?
If we want to make it the default before FF seems to be up to the job
then we'll just make FF fall back to PL2 as we will already be doing for IE.
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, but for the overall operating system.
It's not a fallback to flash it's a fallback to the status quo.
The point being that defaulting to a flash based editor has apparently
been fine for the last six years so there is no sudden urgent need to
change that.
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On 12/05/13 13:24, NopMap wrote:
Tom Hughes-3 wrote
There are ongoing discussions in the German boards about iD easily and/or
inadvertently breaking data [1].
Just like they've been saying about Potlatch for the last N years you
mean?
Are you implying that any comments on iD
because in
most cases nobody will ever become aware of their existence.
1. Do you also think there still is a need for CAPTCHAs?
I don't think there has even been a need for them.
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The goal is to collect data describing the world. The pretty pictures
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at the scrollbar is going to realise there is more
to see by scrolling.
* I'm not sure what the purpose of the arrow icon in the bottom
right is meant to be? As far as I can tell it just reloads the
background image, which seems utterly pointless...
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secondary A road.
Which is why the wiki says what it does.
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the next couple of days.
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to implement than the other.
The actual vote was done by a secret ballot, so we can't know for sure
why people made the choice they did, but the discussion as I recall it
largely centred on the cartography.
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have a well defined written policy:
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preferred the one that we are currently offering.
Nobody has ever asked OWG to consider hikebikemap.
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and thinks this is the correct way
to create a custom map for himself?
His english doesn't seem to be brilliant which may not be helping with
people's attempts to explain the problem to him.
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and for that I suspect what things are here may be more useful?
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This is more where I think we should be going, and where the Overpass
based system seems to be able to deliver.
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On 23/01/13 13:48, Paweł Paprota wrote:
On 01/23/2013 12:31 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
Well that one seems wrong to me as it is approaching the issue from one
of achieving feature parity with Google Maps, but as I have always
understood it that has never been our goal.
It also provides better user
that have always been missing from the mobile view AFAIK.
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something about making the map fill the
screen as I didn't look at the code at all.
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in OpenLayers, or in osm?
Well it won't be OpenLayers as we don't use that anymore.
It would help to know exactly when it started failing - if it was last
Friday then it is an issue with Leaflet 0.5 and if it was a few days
before that then it is probably linked to Saman's redesign work.
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In this case the problem appears to stem from the redesign, not leaflet.
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is not the problem so much as the lack of visual
cues that you can scroll - as I said on IRC it was only after you
started talking about a link that I couldn't see that I realised there
was anything below the fold as the giant picture had made it look like
a fixed page.
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to be configured by somebody.
All of which is before we even think about questions of hardware scaling
for such an endeavour.
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that literally shows you IP addresses and what URLs
they are hitting.
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The one with all the Royal Mail trucks outside on StreetView you mean?
Some large businesses which have special delivery arrangements and have
their own postcodes will map to the local delivery office, which is what
you are seeing here.
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just leave it and not add any of them.
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_Hack_Weekend_Dec_2012
Hope to see some of you there,
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I've killed it now, so things should start working again.
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relation id=20773 visible=false, should I not?
Interestingly, when I go even further back, from 973 downwards it works
again. I haven't tried everything betwee 973 and 1154.
I expect the missing versions were redacted as part of the license change.
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is malfunctioning. JOSM handles it with an error message
Authorisation at the OSM server failed. The server reported the
following error: ' '.
Not really helpful.
It's not my fault if JOSM handles it badly...
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On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote:
Can we get this data into Nominatim?
Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data?
Tom
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On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote:
On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote:
Can we get this data into Nominatim?
Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data?
Is that in there?
I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes.
Tom
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