Re: [OSM-talk-be] Initial stuck to the name

2013-01-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 11 January 2013 20:24:48 EeBie wrote: Ik vind het een vreemd idee om je voor de schrijfwijze van straatnamen niet te houden aan de spelling op de straatnaamborden. Omdat de naam op de borden eigenlijk niet de officiële straatnaam is. Die wordt namelijk gestemd door de gemeenteraad.

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Maas/La Meuse disappearing...

2013-01-04 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 04 January 2013 12:12:29 Julien Fastré wrote: Hi, The Maas River disappeared from the map :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.61063lon=5.55003zoom=15layers=M It seems that the multipolygon is broken. This is due to a newby, which made some change yesterday:

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Maas/La Meuse disappearing...

2013-01-04 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 04 January 2013 13:09:02 Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: Just keep an eye on them, as Julien has done, and teach the new users about relations as needed. The larger multipolygon is a more accurate representation, as long as we don't have a proper area data type. It's not really more

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wiki highway conventions

2012-12-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 28 December 2012 10:06:49 Kevin Grossard wrote: I can understand the current classification but i prefere to use the classification of the government. Should i undo my changement and make the ring primary again? In that case it makes sense for me to upgrade the N223 to a primary road

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wiki highway conventions

2012-12-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 27 December 2012 18:15:05 Jo wrote: Now that we're on the subject of road classification, The northern part of the ring of Leuven has separate lanes for both directions, no traffic lights, on and off ramps like a motorway and the maximum speed is 90 km/h (a rare occurence these

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wiki highway conventions

2012-12-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 27 December 2012 22:05:17 Glenn Plas wrote: There is a simple rule I use, which is being used for certain in plenty of countries like UK and described in the OSM wiki. A primary road is a road that connects larger cities, so a N road between 2 small town would be secondary. I

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wiki highway conventions

2012-12-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 28 December 2012 00:22:17 Glenn Plas wrote: But the general wiki (which is probably USA based if I'm not mistaking here) does say so: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dprimary There is not much room for interpretation except 'large' definition. It's not really any

Re: [OSM-talk-be] GR taggen; GR GPX gebruiken; GR child relation

2012-12-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 26 December 2012 17:40:12 Jo wrote: In Frankrijk zijn alle GR-paden uit de databank gehaald. Wij hebben hier, voor zover ik weet, nog geen klachten gekregen, maar het is zeker geen goed idee om de GPX-bestanden die zij op hun website ter beschikking stellen te gaan gebruiken om ze

Re: [OSM-talk-be] GR taggen; GR GPX gebruiken; GR child relation

2012-12-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 26 December 2012 15:28:31 EeBie wrote: *Vraag 2: GR5 *is een wandelroute door heel Europa van de Noordzee tot de Middellandse zee. Ik ben er geen kei in maar voor zover ik kan zien wordt dat gehele traject in één relatie gezet (# 49.379 met 1168 leden). Dat is erg

Re: [OSM-talk-be] GR taggen; GR GPX gebruiken; GR child relation

2012-12-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 26 December 2012 15:28:31 EeBie wrote: Ik versta daar onder dat die tracks zelf niet mogen verspreid worden maar dat die wel kunnen gebruikt worden om de routes op OSM te zetten. *Klopt mijn interpretatie. Mag ik die GPX-tracks van GR's gebruiken? Heeft de organisatie Grote

Re: [OSM-talk-be] additional Cycle node networks in Namur Luxembourg

2012-12-25 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 25 December 2012 23:24:01 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: On 2012-12-23 16:00, Jo wrote : 2012/12/23 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com I would have liked to add node numbers, but I could not find on the Belgian OSM wiki how they're assigned. How

Re: [OSM-talk-be] boundary names and my program

2012-11-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 28 November 2012 02:11:17 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: In order for my program (and others) to work and be useful, * *the names of the borders must be Municipality A — Municipality B* and not 30 times Belgium — Germany or Liège —Verviers. Note that this is border

Re: [OSM-talk-be] zone30/50/70 vs Bebouwde kom/Agglomération/Built-up area

2012-11-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 26 November 2012 16:41:41 Jo wrote: I created the following mapcss style to help visualize, alongside the alreayd existing maxspeed style: way[zone:traffic=BE:urban]::built-up_area Can't we just use built-up_area as a value? Small villages aren't exactly urban, but they still

Re: [OSM-talk-be] agglomération

2012-11-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 26 November 2012 18:49:16 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: But regarding this, where is the complete zone:traffic=BE:* list? (just one example) In Belgium, we have more than urban/rural/motorway/etc. http://www.code-de-la-route.be/textes-legaux/sections/ar/code-de-la-route/ 100-art2

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 11:25:04 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: Ja, это είναι waß yo will faire :-) As there were no adverse reactions, I will globally move all the POIs to OSM swiftly. Will you actually check whether there are nearby roads that already have maxspeed tags, or just dump the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] agglomération

2012-11-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 20:17:49 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: How is an agglomération tagged? With residential ways? There's no real method that's in use right now to map built-up areas. Residential vs unclassified doesn't work at all in these cases. The method which is used most often is to

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Lost property: one forest, messages, Bing

2012-11-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 12 November 2012 14:55:00 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: While dealing with borders, I discovered this unidentified multipolygon http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/150921 fortuitously. Then I loaded the members and I found landuse = forest on one, that makes it correct on the map.

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 11 November 2012 11:26:59 Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: Unless that by mapping based on their data, rather than importing *their* data we instead create a derivative work. There aren't any restrictions on derivative works, right? Wouldn't importing the data directly into OSM already

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 08 November 2012 23:38:18 Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: I have only one issue. The license says they retain all their IP rights, so is this compatible with the contributor terms of OSM? Or, are we maybe creating a derivative work when we map based on their data? Every mapper keeps

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Arrondissement Verviers boundary

2012-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 11 November 2012 01:39:57 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: On 2012-11-08 16:46, Ben Laenen wrote : On Thursday 08 November 2012 16:34:23 Sander Deryckere wrote: As administrative boundaries should be nested nicely, I propose to delete the boundary 2436189, and to use the municipalities

Re: [OSM-talk-be] boundary names

2012-11-09 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 09 November 2012 09:44:19 A.Pirard.Papou wrote: I found names on the borders and I queried the Tagging@osm mailing list about them. The boundary way name is not used by the database, say some people. And it seems to me that most say it shouldn't be used because the others say so. I

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Arrondissement Verviers boundary

2012-11-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 08 November 2012 16:34:23 Sander Deryckere wrote: Hi, I'm trying to organise the boundaries a bit, there's not a lot of work on it, so it's basically checking if there are no problems. There is a problem I have found with Verviers though. If you look at the relation

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Arrondissement Verviers boundary

2012-11-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 08 November 2012 18:58:53 Jo wrote: On talk-fr he's such a know-it-all, but not all of his 'wisdom' is always appreciated, to put it mildly. There's a bit too much of it too. Impossible to read all of it, even if one would try. Anyway, Belgium's situation is complicated enough

Re: [OSM-talk-be] opendata.antwerpen.be

2012-11-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 08 November 2012 22:05:35 wannes wrote: The city of Antwerp is opening some data it has (boundaries, playgrounds, ...) in order to have some smartphone-apps developed. Can we (and may we!) use some of the datasets? http://opendata.antwerpen.be/datasets

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Unamapped ... errrrrr Sparsely mapped places :)

2012-10-18 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 18 October 2012 07:51:01 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: Thanks Brice, Very interesting. With only 17 places left, we can tackle the work more precisely. Wouldn't it be interesting to organize a mapping party in one of these locations, after preparation and contact with local people,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium

2012-10-16 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 15 October 2012 21:10:55 Pierre Parmentier wrote: Hello, I am following with interest the discussion about the 'OpenStreetMap Belgium asbl/vzw' project and the arguments in favour of one or two associations. 1. As an argument in favor of _one_ association, I can present the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-15 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 15 October 2012 17:35:27 Julien Fastré wrote: I am sorry for the late answer, the week-end was full of activities. I would also prefer a belgian assocation than a regional one. It all depends on what you want to do with the association. And so far it's been mostly about applying

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 12 October 2012 13:44:59 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: I am now asking myself and the list : if we follow you, what about going on with this list and the OSM wiki as usual, see this as the true OSM-BE and consider the associations, one in each parts on Belgium, as some kind of

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 12 October 2012 14:49:45 Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: In such a way, why do we really car that the association be one or two for Belgium, where indeed, in order to get money, you would better, in general, in the culture fields rather be regionnal ? We should care if it matters to the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 12 October 2012 17:21:16 wannes wrote: In favor of KISS: Just make a Belgian asbl, based in Wallonia/Brussels with French bylaws. If needed we can always found a second Belgian asbl, with Dutch bylaws. If not needed we don't. I vote for one Wallonian/French speaking

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi, one question I have of course: if you do get the money, what will you be doing with it :-) Also, living on the other side of our linguistic border, what do we actually prefer: one such organization to span Belgium, or two separate ones? Right now I don't see many Flemish people

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Association/Veriniging OpenStreetMap Belgium ? (very soon ?)

2012-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 11 October 2012 16:11:52 wannes wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote: As I live in Brussels, I also propose and would like to be involved in the association. Would it be possible to have te official adress at your place? Because

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Tagging voetgangerszone gent

2012-10-10 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 11:29:00 Ben Abelshausen wrote: Hallo, Iemand een idee hoe ik consitent de voetgangszone in Gent centrum tag? Ik kan het straks controleren maar leveringen met gemotoriseerde voertuigen zijn volgens mij wel degelijk toegelaten alsook taxi's en dergelijke. Op de

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Tagging voetgangerszone gent

2012-10-10 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 12:19:20 Ben Abelshausen wrote: Ben, Eerst en vooral bedankt voor de feedback. Dus het zou eerder neerkomen op iets zoals: *access:conditional=delivery @ (22:00-06:00)* Ik kan ook geen verdere info vinden over de motor_vehicle tag. Blijkbaar is het best

[OSM-talk-be] Voertuigklassen (was: Tagging voetgangerszone gent)

2012-10-10 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 14:14:17 Sander Deryckere wrote: Volgens de wiki ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motor_vehicle#Land-based_transportat ion, die heb ik niet geschreven), vallen paarden niet onder vehicles. Tenzij ze gespannen zijn aan een kar. In België valt alles met

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Voertuigklassen (was: Tagging voetgangerszone gent)

2012-10-10 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 21:05:47 Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 03:03:53PM +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: In België valt alles met bestuurders onder vehicle=*, er zijn landen waar dat niet zo is (en ik neem aan dat niemand verkeersbord C3 ooit heeft vertaald als vehicle

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Rijwoningen nummeren

2012-10-10 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 11 October 2012 00:06:16 Joren wrote: Natuurlijk. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.136865lon=4.56644zoom=18layers=M De rijwoning op de Spoorweglei, tussen de Planeetstraat en de Bareelstraat. Het huis aan de planeetstraat begint met nummer 20, aan de Bareelstraat 65. NIET met

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey for people with color vision deficiencies about the street classes in OSM's Mapnik style

2012-10-09 Thread Ben Laenen
Is there a way to see the proposed colour changes for someone who isn't colour blind and can't take the test? Ben On Sunday 07 October 2012 15:54:02 johannes.kroe...@hcu-hamburg.de wrote: Hi there, I am a geomatics student currently working on my bachelor thesis (in Germany, not sure how

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Zaventem internationale luchthaven

2012-09-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 28 September 2012 13:14:46 Marc Gemis wrote: On http://www.flosm.de/html/POI-Karte.html I noticed that Dusseldorf Schiphol have the tag aerodrome = international aeroway = aerodrome Zaventem only has aeroway = aerodrome But it might be better to contact the creator of

Re: [OSM-talk-be] User verwijdert landuse

2012-09-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 27 September 2012 13:02:44 Ben Laenen wrote: On Thursday 27 September 2012 00:08:47 Georges De Gruyter wrote: Deze nieuwe user heeft heel wat verwijderd rond Essen : http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13242091 Iemand al contact opgenomen ? Nog niet denk ik

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Vandalisme ?

2012-09-23 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 23 September 2012 08:57:15 Georges De Gruyter wrote: Nieuwe gebruiker heeft hier nogal wat gewijzigd : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.75472lon=4.63383zoom=16 Kan iemand terugdraaien ? 'k Heb het denk ik terug in orde gekregen, maar moest ik iets gemist hebben, laat het dan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] N317 via A18

2012-09-19 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 18 September 2012 21:38:35 Wimmel wrote: Mijn probleem was anders, namelijk twee verschillende soorten wegen, gaan over hetzelfde stukje asfalt. De A18 (highway=motorway) en de N317 (normaal highway=primary). Omdat de highway tag natuurlijk niet aanpas, klopt de betekenis van de ref

Re: [OSM-talk-be] PV réunion du 12 septembre 2012

2012-09-17 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 16 September 2012 21:12:14 Julien Fastré wrote: Bonjour, Vous trouverez le PV de la réunion du 12 septembre dernier sur le wiki : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities/2012-09-1 2-namur N'hésitez pas à le corriger si nécessaire. I see that the page

Re: [OSM-talk-be] landuse en highways

2012-09-05 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 05 September 2012 11:16:05 Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: Nu, de landuse komt werkelijk tot aan de straat, als je de voetpad buiten beschouwing laat of als deel van de straat beschouwt. In 't ideaal geval zouden we de straat als oppervlakte tekenen volgens z'n ware grote, en dan kan

Re: [OSM-talk-be] zemst bos (iedereen beroemd)

2012-08-31 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 31 August 2012 14:04:48 Sander Deryckere wrote: Heeft iemand gisteren naar Iedereen beroemd gekeken. Daarin kwam een zekere Yannis Cleymans die een kaart van zijn dorp Zemst Bos aan het tekenen was. Hier te herbekijken trouwens

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Names of Arrondissements

2012-08-31 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 31 August 2012 19:02:17 Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 01:54:32PM +0200, Sander Deryckere wrote: I would like to discuss the naming of the arrondissements in Belgium. My problem with adding them to osm is that we have 3 kinds: - administrative; - judicial; -

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland

2012-08-29 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 13:18:16 Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: 2012/8/29 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com: Daar ga je toch niet vanuit mogen gaan hoor. Ik neem aan da Jo veel routes op volgorde heeft gezet in zijn opkuisproces, maar ik geloof nooit dat alle routes mooi geordend zijn. Het

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Names of Arrondissements

2012-08-29 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 13:54:32 Sander Deryckere wrote: I would like to discuss the naming of the arrondissements in Belgium. (...) 1. When people refer to Antwerpen, they might mean the province or the city, but never the arrondissement. That's mainly because we never ever talk

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Designation=*

2012-08-29 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 14:08:10 Sander Deryckere wrote: Don't all roads with access rules have specific signs to clarify the rules. I would think that the combination access=destination bicycle=yes foot=yes horse=yes agricultural=yes would be enough. That's the problem: it isn't

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Names of Arrondissements

2012-08-29 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 14:45:14 Sander Deryckere wrote: West-Flanders lists them completely: http://www.west-vlaanderen.be/provincie/beleid_bestuur/gemeenten/Pages/defa ult.aspxthe same for Flemish-Brabant http://www.vlaamsbrabant.be/over-de-provincie/kennismaking/grondgebied-kaar

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Designation=*

2012-08-29 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 15:01:38 Sander Deryckere wrote: designation=reserved means a F99* plate. The other access values tell you what is on it. An other option would be to introduce the value designated in Belgium, like most other countries have. So a F99a would translate to

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland

2012-08-29 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 23:14:29 Ivo De Broeck wrote: Erg is dat, in Potlach zijn ze gewoon correct. En nu Potlach moet de note NIET tonen. Wanneer gaat het eindelijk doordringen dat er internationale afspraken zijn. Potlach is bij mijn weten de enige die deze normen 100% invult. De hiking

Re: [OSM-talk-be] GR en hiking

2012-08-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 28 August 2012 09:49:54 Jo wrote: This query results in a 45 MB file, containing all relations where route=foot in an area more or less covering Belgium. There are some routes going into the neighbouring countries. Hopefully they won't mind the retagging. Watch out with that: if

Re: [OSM-talk-be] GR en hiking

2012-08-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 28 August 2012 12:01:25 Jo wrote: I sent emails to the mailing lists of the 3 countries that are involved. I'll probably split the relations at the border if there are objections. And sending that to the German mailing list made it appear on the tagging@ mailing list as well:

Re: [OSM-talk-be] LoopOmlopen van Bloso

2012-08-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 27 August 2012 12:45:39 Ivo De Broeck wrote: Ik hoop dat alles juist verlopen is, maar ik heb de pagina vertaald. Zie nu http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:WikiProject_Belgium/Bloso . Ik nodig trouwens iedereen uit om aan deze pagina te werken. Zoals ik op de pagina heb

Re: [OSM-talk-be] LoopOmlopen van Bloso

2012-08-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 27 August 2012 22:28:06 Jo wrote: Net gekeken waar dat conflict vandaan kwam... Eimai, was het gebruik van die rollen correct in die relatie? Als dat zo is, heb ik namelijk ergens iets totaal verkeerd begrepen. Mijn excuses, 'k had een klein stukje toegevoegd dat je vergeten was,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] GR en hiking

2012-08-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 26 August 2012 21:42:13 Sander Deryckere wrote: The name GR can't be copyrighted (there's not creativity in two letters), but it can be a protected brand. But therefore, it has to be registered in Belgium (a brand has to be registered in each country separately):

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland

2012-08-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 24 August 2012 06:00:25 Jan Herrygers wrote: Betekent het feit dat de naam niet expliciet vermeld is op het bord, dat er geen naam is? De wegwijzer naar Tienen staat bv. op de weg van Leuven naar Tienen. Deze weg wordt zo genoemd, bijvoorbeeld als je iemand de weg vraagt, dan zal

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland

2012-08-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 24 August 2012 09:23:16 Ivo De Broeck wrote: Je opmerking is volkomen terecht. Het gaat hier over de naamgeving van een relatie. Juist zoals de busroute als naam heeft bus 380 naar Tienen. Het gaat dus niet over de naam van de weg, maar om de naam van de route. Het huidige

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland

2012-08-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 24 August 2012 19:11:19 Jan Herrygers wrote: Als 10 en 15 knooppunten van een wandelnetwerk zijn, dan heet de route wandelnetwerk van kooppunt 10 naar 15 Of Route van 10 naar 15, of Wandelroute tussen 10 en 15 van het netwerk Blabla, of Wandelnetwerk Blabla, route tussen 10 en 15,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland, bedankt Jo

2012-08-22 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 11:44:24 Ivo De Broeck wrote: Bedoel je met dezelfde manier dit? België en Nederland zijn de enigen die de note-tag propageren, anderen gebruiken gewoon de name-tag. Euh, in België en Nederland propageren we enkel de note=* voor knooppuntenroutes. Iets dat

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland, bedankt Jo

2012-08-22 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 12:25:48 Sander Deryckere wrote: Wat ik eventueel wel zou kunnen begrijpen, is dat je vindt dat de classificatie onder rcn verkeerd is. Dat er een aparte classificatie voor knooppuntennetwerken moet gevonden worden. Maar dit zou dan weer nog meer problemen met

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland

2012-08-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 21 August 2012 11:45:14 Ivo De Broeck wrote: Potlach heeft ook voordelen. Hij zet automatisch route=hiking (ipv bv foot). Potlach is IMHO juist een editor die een beetje orde brengt in de verschillende tags. Maar daar ging deze tread niet over. Wat betreft dingen als tags voor

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland

2012-08-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 21 August 2012 11:45:14 Ivo De Broeck wrote: Potlach heeft ook voordelen. Hij zet automatisch route=hiking (ipv bv foot). Potlach is IMHO juist een editor die een beetje orde brengt in de verschillende tags. Maar daar ging deze tread niet over. Vraag 1: Moet de wiki aangepast

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland

2012-08-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 21 August 2012 12:01:50 Jo wrote: Zo, nu staan ze allemaal op route=hiking... Oorspronkelijk was de conventie route=foot. Geen idee wanneer dat veranderd geraakt is. Dat is niet veranderd. Iemand heeft de conventiepagina gewoon gewijzigd drie weken terug zonder aanwijsbare reden:

Re: [OSM-talk-be] wandelnetwerk zuid-dijleland

2012-08-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 21 August 2012 17:38:22 Ivo De Broeck wrote: Ik zie dat tientallen newbies afhaken door de soms erg ingewikkelde conventions. Enerzijds breek je potlach2 af (die volledig anders is dan de eerste versie) en geef je toe die eigenlijk niet te kennen. Tja, als je zag wat potlatch

Re: [OSM-talk-be] newbie

2012-08-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 21 August 2012 12:33:10 Sander Deryckere wrote: Op 21 augustus 2012 12:13 schreef Johan Degreef jdg...@gmail.com het Verder merk ik ook al dat verschillende personen mij verschillende raad geven en dat het zo moeilijk wordt om het taggen correct aan te leren. kan iemand mijn een

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Missing Maxspeed in Brussels

2012-08-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 12 August 2012 09:25:25 Sander Deryckere wrote: So you can hardly blame the tool for this. It's mainly about missing OSM data and poloticians trying to introduce as many different maxspeeds as possible (in the past, there was 50-90-120, now there is 30-50-70-90-120). The defaults are

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 July 2012 04:56:43 Tirkon wrote: Rue de Quelque Chose Iets straat With names it can be compacted as Avenue John Doe laan For me as a non native dutch/french this looks obfuscating. Is this the way you find it on the streetname-signs

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 26 July 2012 11:48:39 Jo wrote: Anyway, as far as OSM goes, it's the first mapper who maps something who decides on which order is being used. Slightly more difficult: It's true that the first mapper decides for the region of Brussels-capital, which is bilingual. But in the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] ODBL redaction

2012-07-16 Thread Ben Laenen
The redaction bot is going over Belgium right now, so I guess that when everyone is awake tomorrow, it'll be mostly done... Of course, finding out what actually was changed will be very challenging, but several people have done lots of remapping of non-odbl data in Belgium in the past months,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Using the tag place=neighbourhood

2012-06-24 Thread Ben Laenen
And if you look at the English descriptions ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places), it clearly states that a hamlet is a rural community. So that would certainly not fit for Mariakerke. As it's part of the centre of Oostende. Well, it needs some historical context: The

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Chantiers werken in Bxl

2012-06-20 Thread Ben Laenen
General consensus is to not tag roads for roadworks (like other temporary structures). Except in the cases where they will take a lot of time and where someone will follow up closely so everything will be updated soon enough in OSM. Everything else should stay in a database outside of OSM,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Elzestraat

2012-06-14 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 14 June 2012 13:15:27 Marc Gemis wrote: Can someone please help me to tag/place the administrative node for Elzestraat (part of Sint-Kathelijne-Waver) http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elzestraat 'k Heb een node geplaatst: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1787206904 'k Hoop

Re: [OSM-talk-be] RandoVelo Vs RAVeL

2012-05-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 07 May 2012 11:07:27 Mars Hell wrote: Hello all, In Wallonia, there is 2 types of bicycleways. RVx and RAVeLx, which one should be at the layer 1 if the two are national network (ncn). RVx are from an asbl. RAVeLx from SPW (service public wallonie). So, RAVeL should be upper than

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM

2012-04-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 11 April 2012 17:49:15 Henk Hoff wrote: Dan even de letterlijke tekst die ik van AND heb gekregen: === begin citaat Wij gaan akkoord onder de volgende voorwaarden: 2. Alle geleverde kopieën van de originele data worden vernietigd en verwijderd van servers. En met

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM

2012-04-05 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 05 April 2012 20:55:40 Henk Hoff wrote: Die voorwaarde heeft AND gesteld. Aangezien AND de goedkeuring voor gebruik van de data enkel het deel betreft wat reeds in onze database was gelezen, vonden we (de licentie werkgroep) dit geen belemmerende eis. Gr, Henk Maar je kan toch

Re: [OSM-talk] License change: database rebuild schedule

2012-03-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 12 March 2012 20:06:13 Alex Barth wrote: - Is there an official database rebuild schedule and where can I find it? - Until when exactly will the pre-license change OSM database be available? While we're on the subject: is the algorithm that determines which objects will be deleted or

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Snelheidslimieten

2012-02-13 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 13 February 2012 09:57:46 Sander Deryckere wrote: Als je wat geavanceerdere GIS kennis hebt, dan kan je ook de oppervlaktes die de bebouwde kom voorstellen gaan omzetten naar snelheidslimieten. De bewoonde delen (die normaal gezien moeten overeenkomen met de bebouwde kom) zijn

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Railway crossings

2011-12-19 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 19 December 2011 13:04:36 Marc Gemis wrote: This weekend I came across a few railway crossings that are not guarded. I wanted to tag them as such, but only found railway=crossing (for pedestrians) railway=level_crossing the latter can have an additional tag in case there is a

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Camping Occupy

2011-11-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 11:34:34 Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Het gaat om deze node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1494854860 Ik ben zelf van mening dat dit niet thuishoort in OpenStreetMap. Hoewel de omschrijving zegt Permanent campsite protesting corporate greed is dat

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppuntennetwerken, hun complexiteit en begrijpelijke misverstanden eromheen

2011-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 24 November 2011 12:32:39 Jo wrote: ... mvg, Jo TL;DR? :-p Als ik het in het snel doorlezen een beetje heb begrepen wat het probleem is, namelijk dat er maar één overzichtsbord staat in NL op het knooppunt, en dat dan door die Jan beschouwd wordt als het knooppunt met

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppuntennetwerken, hun complexiteit en egrijpelijke misverstanden eromheen

2011-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 24 November 2011 20:07:20 Gerard Vanderveken wrote: Ik vind het hele gedoe met die tentakels een zeer hoog absurdistan gehalte hebben. Een route is simpelweg een aaneenschakeling van wegen tussen 2 punten: beginpunt A en eindpunt B. Een speciaal geval is wanneer A en B hetzelfde

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietsknooppuntennetwerken, hun complexiteit en begrijpelijke misverstanden eromheen

2011-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 24 November 2011 13:27:55 Christ van Willegen wrote: Jo schreef: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.18752lon=4.40465zoom=17layers=M Ik denk niet dat Jo hier iets mee te maken heeft, maar even een vraagje... Ik zie daar een weg (de N150) over de snelweg kruisen. Nu had ik

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppuntennetwerken, hun complexiteit en begrijpelijke misverstanden eromheen

2011-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 24 November 2011 12:32:39 Jo wrote: ... mvg, Jo TL;DR? :-p Als ik het in het snel doorlezen een beetje heb begrepen wat het probleem is, namelijk dat er maar één overzichtsbord staat in NL op het knooppunt, en dat dan door die Jan beschouwd wordt als het knooppunt met

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppuntennetwerken, hun complexiteit en begrijpelijke misverstanden eromheen

2011-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 24 November 2011 17:23:18 Piet Smits wrote: Hallo, even my 10-cents worth. Ik heb deze discussie nu een tijdje aangezien, en behalve dat ik van het tentakel verhaal niet zoveel begrijp, dacht ik dat we mapten wat er in-the-field te vinden was. Dus als er op een knooppunt 1

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] FRN Stadsregio Arnhem - Nijmegen

2011-11-20 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 20 November 2011 10:58:06 Jo wrote: Verder inhoudelijk, denk ik dat de opmerking over roundabouts en forward/backward roles is onjuist (als ik het goed begrijp), d.w.z. als je bij een rotonde een apart liggend fietspad hebt (meestal ook éénrichting) en alleen bij de feitelijke

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Some maxspeed mapping questions

2011-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 11 November 2011 09:50:16 Gerard Vanderveken wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: This is an unsolved question... Some may use directions like N/E/S/W for north/east/south/west. But then you also need to be able to attach the node to the proper way (bridges and dual carriageways make

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Some maxspeed mapping questions

2011-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 11 November 2011 11:34:21 Sander Deryckere wrote: The page on maxspeed is this one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed The page you gave is a page that explains the possibilities to tag the source of the maxspeed (a sign, or a missing sign). In general, sources are

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Some maxspeed mapping questions

2011-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 11 November 2011 14:01:05 Gerard Vanderveken wrote: When the node is not part of the highway, its position left or right from the highway is enough to determine the apllicable direction of the way. Many traffic signs are placed on the left side of the street, and not all of them are

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietsroutenetwerk NL De Meierij

2011-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 11 November 2011 23:29:21 Jo wrote: De olifant is terug. Ik ben de pagina die de hele zaak beschrijft aan het aanpassen. Daar staat: If a junction node is in two networks, which can happen in border areas, it is added to both of these network relations. Ik heb de hele grens

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietsroutenetwerk NL De Meierij

2011-11-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 12 November 2011 00:29:43 Jo wrote: Wat dan met de routerelaties en hun connection roles? Er is daar duidelijk een verbinding tussen twee netwerken. Krijgt het knooppunt dan de role 'connection' in beide netwerken? Dat is toch al te gek. Opgelet, de role connection is voor iets

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Some maxspeed mapping questions

2011-11-10 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 10 November 2011 19:12:06 Sander Deryckere wrote: Normally, you should map the streets, not the signs. So that would mean you put the tag maxspeed=xx on the parts of the ways where you are allowed to drive xx km/h. If a way is too long, you need to split it. For other vehicles,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] New village boundaries?

2011-11-06 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 06 November 2011 12:08:10 Sander Deryckere wrote: Hi, some months ago, I drew a lot of West-Flemish boundaries. They were based on out-of-copyright ferraris maps, with checking the history of the village on Wikipedia (to see if there were new villages created). But yesterday on a

Re: [OSM-talk-be] An user is deleting and editing wrong data

2011-11-01 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 01 November 2011 09:45:30 Jo wrote: Hi Mars, Can you tell me the numbers of the changesets where he created those problems. In JOSM there is a way to revert changesets, either partially or entirely. I can do that for you, if you like. Did you already contact the user directly? I

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Regional walking networks

2011-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 02:46:35 Gerard Vanderveken wrote: I believe the Wiki should be changed and in stead of the node tag, a name or ref tag should be used. We've talked about this issue so often now, and we keep having the same problem with the name or ref tags: it's not those routes'

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Regional walking networks

2011-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 13:05:30 Jo wrote: I suppose the ref tag might be more appropriate. It is indeed a bit odd to use note for it, OTOH that's the only tag that was used consistently in all the 1000s of relations I've seen so far... Me removing the names on those route relations made

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Regional walking networks

2011-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 15:21:47 Jo wrote: Maybe the fact that this discussion seems to recur every so often is an indicator that something is not logical about it. Since these routes ultimately have to be entered by people and these people make a choice, which is not easily altered (I

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Regional walking networks

2011-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 19:58:39 Gerard Vanderveken wrote: If you don't want to use the name tag, because that name might be rendered, and then put it in the note tag, you are also tagging for (against) the renderers. Exactly as the objection of Eimai is in the trac

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Regional walking networks

2011-10-10 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 10 October 2011 21:19:56 Marc Gemis wrote: I use both openwandelkaart and Lonvia to check my edits. Recently, I noticed that some walking networks are rendered differently in Lonvia. The routes have a rectangle with 2 characters (ZD - Zuid-Dijleland and KH - Kempische Heuvelrug).

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