Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

Hi, In general abbreviations and commas are avoided in tagging OpenStreetMap wide, so no don’t add a comma but add an appropriate tag. The Australian tagging guidelines https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries don’t have an example using a node as

Re: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

Date: Friday, 26 August 2022 at 12:13 pm To: Alex Sims , 'talk-au OSM -' Subject: RE: [talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA Well done Alex, Events such as that are a great opportunity to chat to folks about opening up their data so we can have complete coverage. I notice that many

[talk-au] Usage of Openstreetmap at EMSINA

Hi, I’m at the EMSINA (Emergency Management Spatial Information Network Australia) PDP day as part of AFAC (Australasian Fire and Emergency Service Authorities Council) 2022 Conference in Adelaide and finding a few “OpenStreetMap used here”. Feedback from participants I’ve spoken to: *

Re: [talk-au] Declared Hazardous Areas in Vic

Hi https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions seems to suggest like you bus:conditional = permit @ (Jun-Oct) Looking in taginfo suggests something like this with a general condition and then specific exceptions: bus:access = no bus:conditional = yes @ (permit AND Jun-Oct)

Re: [talk-au] Well I bought an L1/L5 Mouse GPS

The device is quite amazing. Will use 30-40 satellites from a mix of GPS, GLONASS, BEIDOU, QZSS (only on Windows, not on Android) and GALILEO. Is getting signals from both L1 (1575MHz) and L5 (1176MHz) bands from most GALILEO and half of BEIDOU and GPS, so removes most of the ionosphere noise.

[talk-au] Well I bought an L1/L5 Mouse GPS

Hi, I’ve now got a relatively (<$100 + postage) Mouse GPS. It is amazingly accurate. That’s the good news. Now I can see a whole bunch of streets, buildings etc out by 1-5 meters as *some* features were traced without correcting the image offset. Also found my cheap GPS and an OSX machine are

Re: [talk-au] Another highway classification question. This time in Adelaide.

In terms of consistency with the rest of the roads in the Adelaide metropolitan area primary is correct. It seems to me to be better placed there according to the main (global) tagging guidelines. All of the trunk roads in Adelaide are of national/strategic important and carry a lot of

Re: [talk-au] National Public Toilet map?

My guess is no with high confidence. The license is at https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/national-public-toilet-map and doesn’t derivatives. Alex From: Graeme Fitzpatrick Do we have permission to use the National Public Toilet map: https://toiletmap.gov.au/copyright?

Re: [talk-au] Betty's Burgers - fast food or restaurant?

I’ve never been to one, but have been to something that looks similar according to the images I found. It appears that you order and pay for your food and then are given a buzzer and then fetch your food. Reading https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drestaurant , the absence of

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

n 31/1/22 10:24 am, Alex Sims wrote: HI Graeme, When you send an email to the list, it then sends a copy to subscribers which includes a mirror at gmane.org. For some reason the copy at gname.org is bouncing back and you get the bounce. So the link between the mailing list and gmane needs

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

HI Graeme, When you send an email to the list, it then sends a copy to subscribers which includes a mirror at gmane.org. For some reason the copy at gname.org is bouncing back and you get the bounce. So the link between the mailing list and gmane needs fixing, a job for the administrator of

Re: [talk-au] Shared driveways

Hi, I hadn't seen the "pipestream" before, and it does look to have some utility. I'd much prefer that (legally) public roads be highway=residential/unclassified etc so as these will all be present in government data. If it's private (even shared between many people) then it should be a

Re: [talk-au] Phone boxes

Hi, The public phones are enclosed in “cabinets”. It’s a really good question you ask as I’m not sure what official names they have if any. The instrument within them does have a code number and type but the cabinet less so. I was a bit surprised by the Wiki using British Telecom cabinet types

Re: [talk-au] Australian maps for Garmin devices

Hi, I use alternativaslibres.org too but would really prefer to roll my own. There are many flags for mkgmap but processors tend not to share their recipe. I’d be really happy if a nice processing recipe could be recorded into the wiki. This would be really

[talk-au] Level 15, 16 dirty tiles - Regency to Pym

Hi, I’ve been having a bit of fun doing on the ground mapping to fix routing and South Road (a major road) in Adelaide reconfiguring towards an expressway. Having worked out that my vehicle GPS “snaps” to roads and then using OSMTracker for Android to fix that, its straightforward to fix and

Re: [talk-au] Non-Contributed Information Related to Ways?

Hi Andrew, I attempted in GovHack 2018 competition to prototype a system for merging the two data sources OpenStreetMap and private frequently changing temporary data for rapid field deployment. It is doable but I avoided your major issue (given the time) of having my private layer actually

Re: [talk-au] T-Intersection signs - how to map a sign at 90 degrees

The sign on the main road will be W2-4 (L), Side road entering on left, one day. When conventions change, signs aren’t changed overnight, road authorities replace them as needed. You are looking at an older sign. At some point the arrow was added to the standard. Alex From: Ewen Hill Date:

Re: [talk-au] traffic_calming=choker and table

ay link in Australia"? Maybe so, but for 40+ years of driving in Australia, I've only ever known them as chicanes! Who calls a chicane a "driveway link'??? Not I. Arr Alex Sims in South Australia added it .. message sent. _

[talk-au] Local Government Address changes

Hi, A number of statutory bodies get notification from Local Government Agencies of addressing changes (think, fire, police, etc). In the case of one LGA it is a monthly spreadsheet of mainly subdivisions of existing addresses and some new ones. They are willing to consider adding

Re: [talk-au] Experiments in sub meter accuracy for under $30 (thirty) dollars

Well it sort of works, I'm having trouble testing as I need to use a Windows machine to run u-center, and my main machine is not Windows. It is also very bright outside and the screen is not. Nevertheless I've tried running it in a single position (ie leave it on the ground) and get the drift

[talk-au] Experiments in sub meter accuracy for under $30 (thirty) dollars

Hi, I have been trying for some time to get better accuracy for survey mapping and think I might now be on to something. I’ve just got off the phone with Chris Marshall from Frontier SI who is promoting the use of the Geoscience SBAS test bed and was really helpful I’m now armed with a Ublox

Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads' conclusion

A bit late to the party but anyway: I wonder if we should add a sentence about verifiability (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability) like: "If you are mapping private areas, make sure you only include details that [other mappers can verify](

[talk-au] Australian Buildings in 3D - verandah

Hi, I can’t seem to workout how to do a veranda (lightweight external roof, not the main roof of a building) in Simple 3D mapping. Can someone please point to some existing examples on the map that work? I’m looking for two particular variations of a two storey building. The first is a shop

Re: [talk-au] Links with name

Hi Petra, I delete names like on example (2) on sight, it is confusing to give something a name that doesn’t actually have one, or it may be contested and also confuses most routing systems trying to produce meaningful directions and displays on GPS. I’ve never seen case (1) and it looks

[talk-au] [SA] Road name changes

Hi, Chasing up a road change in the public notices in The Advertiser today I found some opportunities for improvement for OpenStreetMap: * Road name changes for council roads are notified by Public Notices and to emergency services and flow through to the data.sa.gov.au dataset, but we

Re: [talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

I have an example that has bothering me for some time. This building https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/228033047 is on a dual named street. The ten or so houses on the Southern side of so called “Elderslie Avenue” East of Braund Road are actually Martin Close. Every other house on “Elderslie

[talk-au] Increased precision options for Australia - QZSS, SBAS or Galileo

Hi, I’m really wanting to have better accuracy from GPS for use with Openstreetmap. I can use survey marks and a laser rangefinder, but having a portable GPS would make so much easier to fix errors where objects have been armchair mapped or even GPS mapped with errors up to 3 meters. I have

[talk-au] Postcodes in South Australia

Hi, I’m getting increasingly frustrated with how my GPS (OpenStreetMap on Garmin via mkgmap) and the OpenStreetMap Nominatim handle postcodes in South Australia with a lot of defaulting to 5000 (Adelaide CBD) I am assuming that a given suburb or locality maps to a single postcode (excluding

Re: [talk-au] Am I doing intersections right?

Hi, You might be mapping for the renderer. :) I have been not giving slip roads a name and making sure they are highway=secondary_link, trunk_link etc, which is considered valid by Keep Right, Geofabrik etc. It also makes sense on the ground as there is no physical sign on the slip road to

[talk-au] Canberra Contact

Hi, I’ve been approached by email from an ACT Government public servant wanting a contact to discuss sharing (Canberra) data with OSM. Is there a Canberra/ACT based mapper who would like to take this on? (I’m in Adelaide) Alex ___ Talk-au mailing

Re: [talk-au] Potential data import

The planner may have swapped over to Google Maps, but the stop information remains OSM based e.g. https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/stops/view/17754 Alex On 20 Feb 2018, at 1:30 pm, Daniel O'Connor > wrote: :(

Re: [talk-au] MS open maps

Hi, It looks as though you are all based in Seattle, rather than Australia, is that right? The big question for me is why are you armchair mapping Australia from the US. How can you be sure that your edits are correct and what is Microsoft’s secret plan for Australia :) ? Alex On 22 Dec

[talk-au] Adelaide Mapping Event

Dear David, Please keep sending the emails. Adelaide desperately needs a mapping session/meetup, so here goes This has been suggested in the Grange/Henley Beach area to support tourism. I’m thinking Saturday 26th August or Saturday 23rd September, meet at 2pm finish at 4pm, need suggestion

[talk-au] Tagging - World Solar Challenge - Darwin to Adelaide

I’m not quite sure how to resolve this. There is a relation http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7107501#map=5/-24.173/134.723 for the World Solar Challenge that runs from Darwin to Adelaide. It is a relation tagged as

[talk-au] Keeping SA roads up to date

Hi, I “dogfood” OpenStreetMap and use it in my GPS for directions. I was a bit surprised when I came across an almost two year old roundabout on a main road that wasn’t mapped. I’ve mapped it now at http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/48106706#map=15/-35.5205/138.6359

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

Speaking of SA only I would define the LGA locations administered by the Outback Communities Authority as Unincorporated as - thats how other hierarchies used by Government, ABS etc define it, and every point in SA is either in an LGA or Unincorporated - Unincorporated means Outback Communities

Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data re-visited

Hmmm, If I just delivered mail to particular addresses (as I did to 150 today, have a list of addresses) does that mean that these addresses are now able to be imported from the GNAF? Maybe I need to tag them as note:letterbox verified or note:GNAF import ok? I’m not being flippant, and I

Re: [talk-au] Highway route number prefixes for QLD and NT

Hi Leith, I’d second the finger waggling for tagging for the renderer, however a way out would be to transform the data in Mapbox on a state by state basis to get what you want. So OpenStreetMap records what is on the ground. When your rendering your map you can easily intersect polygons of

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Airport (mapped as both node and way)

Hi, Another “me too” as I have almost exclusively used OSM mapping in my Garmin GPS for a few years now. It’s highlighted all sorts of things, missing turn restrictions, wrong speed limits (not visible but affects routing), street names etc. Even works overseas, although I’ve mainly used it as

[talk-au] [SA] Survey marks released as open data

Hi, I’ve noticed that the SA Survey marks have been released as open data on the 27th of July (3 days ago) https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/survey-marks-and-survey-mark-plans-reference https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/survey-marks-and-survey-mark-plans-reference This should be quite

Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

I’ve started finding errors not on OpenStreetMap but in the DPTI data. I’ve documented a fix process at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Roads#Errors_in_the_source_data https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Roads#Errors_in_the_source_data It’s

Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

Hi, Can you please make the matlab scripts available on Github so they might be used/improved? I’m particularly wanting to use the output, then check the revised output, rinse, lather, repeat Alex To make a project is just using curl plus json to describe it and add tasks. Uh can't find

Re: [talk-au] street addressing city or suburb?

Hi, I've been populating addr:city with the thing in Australia we call the suburb. This seems to be supported by the definition on the wiki as this seems to say that the addr:* keys defines a postal address. I've been playing around with mkgmap to Garmin and whatever happens, the more

[talk-au] Unleashed (Govhack) Adelaide - Technical mentors

Hi, I suggested to the organising committee for Unleashed 2014 that having technical help for competitors for open source projects that provide data that is consumed by competitors would be helpful. The response was extremely positive and I am wondering if anyone would like to come into the

[talk-au] ABC uses OpenStreetMap for Honours list Interactive Map

It was nice to see a map linked from the ABC News home page, still there under Editor's picks. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-09/australians-recognised-for-services-at-queens-birthday-honours/5508980#interactive that uses Openstreetmap (via leaflet and Mapbox). Looking around SA some of

Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

On 28 Apr 2014, at 1:53 pm, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote: On a related note, what's the appropriate way to map suburb-sized areas that are partitions? A way for each suburb that share nodes along common borders, a way for each suburb that don't duplicate nodes along common borders, or

Re: [talk-au] Adding residential properties?

Hi Will, I’ve been mapping the building outlines and tagging the feature appropriately, e.g. house and then adding address data to each building. I’ve also added in a smaller area the boundary fences or walls. There is I understand, two competing models for recording addresses, one where the

Re: [talk-au] JOSM and losing Bing Hi Res zoom recently

Hi Jason, There seems to be two layers in Bing in South Australia. A high resolution three or four year old layer and a lower resolution layer only about twelve months old. This may be related to what you are seeing. On 6 Dec 2013, at 9:29 am, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote: For

[talk-au] Can I delete these suburbs

Hi, I'm looking at changesets http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/17084700 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/17084304 and I'm beginning to think these streets and suburbs off Hillier Road and Redbanks road with many un-named streets simply do not exist. There are no public roads and

Re: [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data

Hi, I had a bit of a go at the missing street names last night and have developed a workflow and and measures. I'd invite any armchair mappers to help me on this. I'm getting through about 100 missing names per hour so there is about 28 hours of armchair mapping here that will help quite a bit.

[talk-au] Fwd: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution

Hi, I met this afternoon with Garth Walker from the SA Government DPTI who’s using OpenStreetMap data with OpenJourneyPlanner for public transport journey planning on Adelaidemetro.com.au One thing that came up early on was a lot of footpaths crossing but not meeting highways giving them and

[talk-au] Fwd: Re: data.sa.gov.au

permission/clarification is today as it takes a while, but the outcome is worth it. Anyway I'm excited and quite pleased, just wish I had more time for mapping. Alex Original Message Subject:Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 21:35:55 +0930 From: Alex Sims

[talk-au] National Library of Australia - Mapping Exhibition

Hi, The National Library of Australia is planning an exhibition on mapping starting in November this year till March 2014 and wanted to know if we had any ideas for activities that OpenStreetMap might want to run as part of this or associated with it. There are some nice visualisations that

Re: [talk-au] data.sa.gov.au

I'm just writing an email now to seek a similar agreement for sa.data.gov.au as for data.gov.au Alex On 25/05/2013 5:23 PM, Paul Norman wrote: The only issue with CC BY is that some data owners believe that attribution reasonable to the medium is more than the ODbL guarantees which allows

Re: [talk-au] Using multipolygon to create large lake

On 23/04/2013 6:27 PM, Brett Russell wrote: Much appreciated. I found though the lake was not rendered but then refreshing and zooming in and out it did come up so the rendering is a little suspect, might be due to Telstra's 3G network issues or the use of Firefox. I've switched from Potlach

[OSM-legal-talk] Using CC-BY as a source for Openstreetmap

Hi, I looked at wiki.openstreetmap.org and couldn't find a straight answer as to wheter CC-BY data sets can be used as a source for Openstreetmap. The South Australian State government Department of Transport, Planning and Infrastructure has started a small but potentially useful data

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

On 11/12/2012 6:06 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: Ok, but I don't think we should get hung up on the coincidence between the Australian official meaning of city and the tag place=city. (By coincidence, I mean, if we happened to speak some other language, obviously there'd be no official designation

Re: [talk-au] cities changed to towns

On 12/12/2012 2:54 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: My view on all this is that if a place has officially been designated as a city then we must tag it as such. If it is offically a town then we must tag it as a town etc. If we can't find any official designation then either common sense of maybe a

Re: [talk-au] Historical rail lines

On 26/11/2012 10:38 AM, mick wrote: I'm in two minds about removing 'historical' data. Yes, objects no longer visible on the ground shouldn't be rendered on the map. I've been following this discussion with interest. We do mark and should mark administrative boundaries which are not visible on

Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections

On 3/11/2012 5:33 PM, John Henderson wrote: I checked some intersections in Melbourne’s CBD, and the method I saw that I liked and thought the best was where there were 4 lights at the intersection, but they were not placed on the intersecting modes, but one node back “upstream” on each way. I

[talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit

Adelaide Metro, the umbrella brand for public transport in Adelaide on their new (beta) website at http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/ are using OpenTripPlanner and OpenStreetmap for journey planning. Nice to see OpenStreetmap getting more, albeit unacknowledged exposure. Alex

Re: [talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit

My understanding is that real time data is sent from all Metrocard vehicles via GPRS to a central site. The supply of data is real soon now and they are keen to get developers using the data All of the timetable data and stop data has been available for a year or so as GTFS format, although

Re: [talk-au] The OSM ladder

Nick, Is this a thought experiment about OSM mapping or a question about loading gauges that the ARTC might better answer? My quick guess is that OSM cannot answer the question either in the affirmative or the negative as it doesn't have data every 50 meters along the route. Alex On

Re: [talk-au] Routing islands

On 12/10/2012 4:40 PM, Ben Kelley wrote: I noticed this the other day: Geofabrik Tools has a Routing layer that highlights islands. Islands are ways that you cannot route to, and generally point to a problem somewhere. The routing layer only seems to apply to Europe, and puts hashing over

[talk-au] Prod - osmaustralia.org

Hi, It's quite a useful resource particularly with lots of school holidays related mapping but seems unwell for the last four or five days. I've tried an email to the contact with no success. Anyone able to advise of status or how to prod it into action? Alex

[talk-au] Present for keen OSMer

I've been asked what I might like as a present and am not sure what to ask for. I've already got a laptop with a battery that works, Garmin GPS and cheapie Android phone. Suggestions are welcome. Alex ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Introducing myself and I have a question too

On 8/08/2012 3:23 PM, Matthew Landauer wrote: Recently, mySociety, a UK based charity and one the worlds pioneers in online digital democracy released a web service called mapit: http://global.mapit.mysociety.org/ What it does is slurp administrative boundary data from OSM and present and