Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Elmley/Hockley Brook

[Andy Robinson]

H Alex,

 

Welcome to OSM.

 

You could start with https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guide
as well as other great information contained on the OSM wiki.

 

The main thing to remember is that unlike Google, OSM cannot accept any data
from copyrighted sources or data that sits under a licence that is not
compatible with OSM. Our main mapping sources are the imagery layers
available through the various OSM editing software and personal knowledge or
survey.

 

Happy mapping

 

Cheers

Andy (blackadder)

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Elmley/Hockley Brook

 

Hi 

I am a experienced Google Mapper with two million views of my edits of our
local Shrewsbury and Telford Hospitals.  However I now need to concentrate
on making changes to OSM. 

 

Is their any guides to starting out in OSM or local workshops to assist
those starting out?

 

Thank you in advance for any advice given 

 

Alex

Sustainable Travel Planner for the NHS.

 

 

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Hi,

It is about the place where the Hockley Brook takes the name of Elmley
Brook.

On osm I have created this relation :
https://gbr01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openst
reetmap.org%2Frelation%2F15648926

=05%7C01%7Calexander.ford1%40nhs.net%7C7ee5cd63940b492f1acf08db2fc177e2
%7C37c354b285b047f5b22207b48d774ee3%7C0%7C0%7C638156280209957976%7CUnknown%7
CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0
%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=rsHya75V0SzFJJDl5XOMI1eTkmjfYEp3cPf%2Fltz490M%3D
eserved=0

On a map I found this :
https://gbr01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmaps.nls.u
k%2Fgeo%2Fexplore%2F%23zoom%3D15.0%26lat%3D52.36130%26lon%3D-2.15646%26layer
s%3D117746212%26b%3D9

=05%7C01%7Calexander.ford1%40nhs.net%7C7ee5cd63940b492f1acf08db2fc177e2
%7C37c354b285b047f5b22207b48d774ee3%7C0%7C0%7C638156280209957976%7CUnknown%7
CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0
%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=rWOIYnmJQx421%2FWBhNsewLoe7myYit88zl%2FVWOmzL%2FE%
3D=0

with one name at the bottom left and the other name at the top right (I mean
on my screen, I hope it will work for you).

So I was thinking the node of the changing name was at the confluence with
this stream :
https://gbr01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openst
reetmap.org%2Frelation%2F15652436

=05%7C01%7Calexander.ford1%40nhs.net%7C7ee5cd63940b492f1acf08db2fc177e2
%7C37c354b285b047f5b22207b48d774ee3%7C0%7C0%7C638156280209957976%7CUnknown%7
CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0
%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=bOKiShIVwFON3Vs5MoAs23gg7Qa74JU%2FiV%2Bapys5UkA%3D
=0

Can someone confirm that ?

And do you know the name of this stream r15652436 (perhaps Elmley Brook ?)

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Langley Brook

[Andy Robinson]

Andy,

You can find it on https://maps.nls.uk/view/101584522 where there is a
"rises" note on the map.

Cheers
Andy

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Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Langley Brook

I'm trying to determine the western extent and source of Langley Brook,
which runs eastwards to join the Tame at RSPB Middleton Lakes.

I have created this relation:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/14727241

and it seems this unnamed way:

   https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/123146313#map=15/52.5704/-1.7727

and those linking the two might be the same, but there are intermediate
pools. Can anyone advise, please?

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Grit bin locations

[Andy Robinson]

Ryan, apologies on the wrong spelling of your name.

 

Andy

 

From: Andy Robinson  
Sent: 06 January 2022 09:40
To: 'Ryan Underwood' ; 
Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: RE: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Grit bin locations

 

Ray,

 

Back in 2009/10 OSMers, myself included, added route details for Birmingham’s 
gritting from information supplied by BCC and created routes in OSM. We also 
made the BBC news with our then gritting map as the council didn’t have their 
own.

 

https://www.mappa-mercia.org/2010/02/true-grit.html

 

Its very likely that Birmingham’s current gritting routes and bin locations are 
historically similar to those we worked with all those years ago. Ideally we 
would get an update from them so that we can verify/fix the OSM data.

 

We know from past experience that location data for objects within BCC’s data 
sets can be off, especially if it was collected by third parties. Therefore 
their locations of bins is a useful aid for locating them on the ground but 
unwise to consider an import per se even if the licence on the data turns out 
to be acceptable to OSM.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

 

From: Ryan Underwood mailto:runderwood...@gmail.com> 
> 
Sent: 05 January 2022 23:05
To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org 
<mailto:Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org> 
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Grit bin locations

 

I found this handy map on Birmingham City Council's website which has all the 
gritting routes and grit bin locations. I wonder if there's a quicker way of 
porting the grit bin locations into the OSM without manually entering each and 
every one.

 

https://maps.birmingham.gov.uk/webapps/winter_maintenance/

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Grit bin locations

[Andy Robinson]

Ray,

 

Back in 2009/10 OSMers, myself included, added route details for Birmingham’s 
gritting from information supplied by BCC and created routes in OSM. We also 
made the BBC news with our then gritting map as the council didn’t have their 
own.

 

https://www.mappa-mercia.org/2010/02/true-grit.html

 

Its very likely that Birmingham’s current gritting routes and bin locations are 
historically similar to those we worked with all those years ago. Ideally we 
would get an update from them so that we can verify/fix the OSM data.

 

We know from past experience that location data for objects within BCC’s data 
sets can be off, especially if it was collected by third parties. Therefore 
their locations of bins is a useful aid for locating them on the ground but 
unwise to consider an import per se even if the licence on the data turns out 
to be acceptable to OSM.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

 

From: Ryan Underwood  
Sent: 05 January 2022 23:05
To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Grit bin locations

 

I found this handy map on Birmingham City Council's website which has all the 
gritting routes and grit bin locations. I wonder if there's a quicker way of 
porting the grit bin locations into the OSM without manually entering each and 
every one.

 

https://maps.birmingham.gov.uk/webapps/winter_maintenance/

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Disability wheelchair curb project

[Andy Robinson]

Anyone in the west mids able to assist Mark with this?

 

Cheers

Andy (now in Cheshire)

 

From: Mark Croft Redditch Linux Mint  
Sent: 05 November 2021 06:57
To: Andy Robinson 
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands 
Subject: Disability wheelchair curb project

 

 

 

Hi 

 

We at kickstart project are going too bring back the project back.too life.

 

The idea is that we map a small area of city too show where all.the curbs for 
wheelchair users to find shortage route n.navigation around town..

 

Anyone can do a small.talk.about osm?

 

Help with what app too use on a mobile device to tag the kurbs on the map?

 

The principles of open data how too stop it getting tie too closed source data. 
We want the data too.be <http://too.be>  used as much as possible.. Hopefully 
used in a satnav app.

 

We can come too you n have this meeting

 

We based in Kidderminster..

 

Mark Redditch

 

 

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Wishaw Lane, Minworth and the Peddimore industrial development

[Andy Robinson]

Had time on Friday on a quick trip to Brum to pop out to Minworth to update
the map with the current Peddimore development activity. The huge site is
crawling with earth movers.
Map updated though it will need a further visit when they start earthworks
on the east side of Wishaw Lane

https://osm.org/go/euzPtdmN--

Cheers
Andy

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From: Andy Robinson  
Sent: 22 September 2021 09:01
To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Wishaw Lane, Minworth and the Peddimore industrial development

I understand from friends that Wishaw Lane, Minworth has permanently closed
as part of the Peddimore development. I've not edited as I'm not sure
exactly where it is physically stopped up at each end. Please also keep an
eye out for construction works commencing for the new industrial development
which fills most of the space between the A38 and Wiggins Hill Road to the
south of Peddimore Hall and north of the canal. A new roundabout is due to
be built on the A38 to access the site.

Cheers
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Wishaw Lane, Minworth and the Peddimore industrial development

[Andy Robinson]

I understand from friends that Wishaw Lane, Minworth has permanently closed
as part of the Peddimore development. I've not edited as I'm not sure
exactly where it is physically stopped up at each end. Please also keep an
eye out for construction works commencing for the new industrial development
which fills most of the space between the A38 and Wiggins Hill Road to the
south of Peddimore Hall and north of the canal. A new roundabout is due to
be built on the A38 to access the site.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Andy Robinson]

You can see from my attempt 11 years ago that I didn't have a clue either!

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/484792823

http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2009/11/pelsall-pleasure.html

Cheers
Andy

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From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] 
Sent: 16 July 2020 17:00
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
previously.

To my surprise there is nothing on the wiki about how to do so, and I
can find no JSOM preset.

What do folk suggest?

I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers,
with their comaps points, something like:

   inscription:NW=foo

or, using degrees:

   inscription:315:=foo

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Re: [Talk-GB] Maps on BBC Radio 4

[Andy Robinson]

“…Countryfile about footpath mapping might work, but having seen this happen it 
requires a great deal of legwork…”

 

It does indeed ;-)

 

From: SK53 [mailto:sk53@gmail.com] 
Sent: 05 July 2020 12:39
To: BD
Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Maps on BBC Radio 4

 

Radio 4 have certainly covered OSM in the past. Kat Arney attended a hack day 
in London back in 2013 iirc and interviewed a few participants: Robert Scott 
was the one who made it to the on-air programme.

 

Something like a segment on Countryfile about footpath mapping might work, but 
having seen this happen it requires a great deal of legwork beforehand.

 

Jerry

 

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 11:52 BD,  wrote:

Hi all,

 

BBC Radio 4

Seriously…   - Mapping the Future

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08jpmk7

 

I meant to come back to this last week but didn't have a chance. Now after 
listening I wonder, did I hear about OSM in this program? Is BBC actually aware 
of OSM at all?!

 

 

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] FW: HS2 in Birmingham update: Park Street Closure from this weekend

[Andy Robinson]

“From 5th July we're permanently closing a section of Birmingham’s Park Street.”

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

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Re: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

[Andy Robinson]

As always Robert you have provided a useful tool and analysis.

Thanks & cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) [mailto:robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 July 2020 17:38
To: talk-gb
Subject: [Talk-GB] UPRN Locations Map

I'm not completely sure if/how we can best make use of the new OS
OpenData (UPRNs, USRNs and related links) in OpenStreetMap, but as a
first step I've set up a quick slippy map with the UPRN locations
shown:

https://osm.mathmos.net/addresses/uprn/ (zoom in to level 16 to show the data)

The UPRN dataset literally just contains the UPRN number and its
coordinates (both OS National Grid and WGS lat/lon). There are some
additional linking datasets that link these ids to other ids (e.g.
USRNs, TOIDs). But no address information is available directly. (You
may be able to get street names by matching to OS Open Roads via TOIDs
though. Coupled with Code-Point Open, you might be able to assign
quite a few postcodes in cases where there's only one unit for a whole
street.)

The UPRN data has already helped me find a mapping error I made
locally though -- it looks like I'd accidentally missed drawing a
house outline from aerial imagery, and also classified a large garage
a few doors down as a house. The two errors cancelled out when the
houses were numbered sequentially, so I didn't notice until now. Today
though I spotted a UPRN marker over some blank space on the map, and
no marker over the mapped house that's probably a garage.

Now a few initial thoughts on the data that I've explored so far:

I believe that the UPRNs are assigned by local authorities, so
conventions may vary from place to place. I don't know who actually
assigns the coordinates (authority or OS). Looking at those for rows
of houses around me, they don't seem to have been automatically given
coordinates from the house footprint, it looks more like someone
manually clicking on a map.

The UPRN dataset should include all addressable properties. It is also
ahead of reality in some places, as it includes locations for houses
on a new development near me that have yet to be built yet. For blocks
of apartments/flats, the UPRN nodes may all have the same coordinates
or may be displaced from each other, possibly in an artificial manner.

Other objects also appear to have UPRNs. Likely things I've noticed so
far include: car parks, post boxes, telephone boxes (even after
they've been removed), electricity sub-stations, roads and recorded
footpaths (the UPRN locations seem to be at one end of the street, so
usually lie at a junction), recreation grounds / play areas,
floodlight poles (around sports pitches), and allotments. There's no
information about the object type in the UPRN data unfortunately.

Anyway, I hope some of this is useful / interesting. I hope to be on
the OSMUK call on Saturday to discuss things further. Best wishes,

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 Phase 1 Construction NTP

[Andy Robinson]

Tony, thus far all the construction activity has been and is enabling works. 
That is mostly related to relocating utilities (especially the major ones), 
site clearances and the establishment of the working compounds. Many of these 
have already in full or in part been mapped into OSM. As yet they haven’t 
mostly been fencing off the main line route. I expect we will see that happen 
soon for the over land sections. In London not much change will be visible 
beyond the current clearances and site compound set-ups. The shafts and portals 
for the main tunnels will be about the only obvious new work in the future 
outside of the station developments. The construction of the stations 
themselves is not yet confirmed.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Tony OSM [mailto:tonyo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 17 April 2020 10:02
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 Phase 1 Construction NTP

 

we've seen news reports of parts of the alignment fenced off and invaded by 
protestors - those parts are certainly under construction, and the pictures 
show that bulldozers have been active. I think if we can identify those areas 
then construction is now correct.

Tony Shield

TonyS999

On 17/04/2020 09:14, Andy Robinson wrote:

Jez, I think the actual rails may be a long way off but I agree it’s an 
opportunity to stay ahead of the completion.

 

A question for the whole list. How do folks feel about changing the Phase 1 
route from rail=proposed to rail=construction. Perhaps it’s a bit premature but 
then perhaps not.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Jez Nicholson [mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 16 April 2020 22:15
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Talk-GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 Phase 1 Construction NTP

 

Thanks Andy, this is opportunity for OSM to be *the* best source of HS2 rails 
data.

 

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020, 17:48 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

Government issued Notice to Procced for Phase 1 today, which means the main 
contracts construction between London and Birmingham will start imminently so 
keep an eye out for major new works in your area soon (though I expect these 
will be slow to spot while we are in lockdown!)

 

Till now all works relating to HS2 have been enabling works or design related.

 

Cheers

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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 Phase 1 Construction NTP

[Andy Robinson]

Jez, I think the actual rails may be a long way off but I agree it’s an 
opportunity to stay ahead of the completion.

 

A question for the whole list. How do folks feel about changing the Phase 1 
route from rail=proposed to rail=construction. Perhaps it’s a bit premature but 
then perhaps not.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Jez Nicholson [mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 16 April 2020 22:15
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Talk-GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 Phase 1 Construction NTP

 

Thanks Andy, this is opportunity for OSM to be *the* best source of HS2 rails 
data.

 

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020, 17:48 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

Government issued Notice to Procced for Phase 1 today, which means the main 
contracts construction between London and Birmingham will start imminently so 
keep an eye out for major new works in your area soon (though I expect these 
will be slow to spot while we are in lockdown!)

 

Till now all works relating to HS2 have been enabling works or design related.

 

Cheers

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[Talk-GB] HS2 Phase 1 Construction NTP

[Andy Robinson]

Government issued Notice to Procced for Phase 1 today, which means the main
contracts construction between London and Birmingham will start imminently
so keep an eye out for major new works in your area soon (though I expect
these will be slow to spot while we are in lockdown!)

 

Till now all works relating to HS2 have been enabling works or design
related.

 

Cheers

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Re: [Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol

[Andy Robinson]

That’s usually the way I find out the name of a new road if the sales office is 
closed.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Neil Matthews [mailto:ndmatth...@ndmatthews.plus.com] 
Sent: 16 February 2020 10:58
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] Cheers Drive, Bristol

Local coverage:
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/there-is-a-new-road-in-speedwell-called-cheers-drive/

Looks like housenumbers have the road name, even if roadsigns aren't
installed.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Freemap (free-map.org.uk) - potential shutdown

[Andy Robinson]

Oh, the heady days of the noughties :-)

Cheers
Andy

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Sent: 12 February 2020 12:57
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Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Freemap (free-map.org.uk) - potential shutdown

Nick Whitelegg wrote:
> I am proposing shutting down my (very old) England and 
> Wales footpath mapping site Freemap (free-map.org.uk).

Wow, there's a blast from the past!

Freemap was of course one of the very first grassroots mapping sites (2004),
together with my geowiki.com (2003 [1]), Jo and Schuyler's freemap.in
(2005?), and OpenStreetMap itself (2004).

We all converged on OSM sooner or later, but it's a worthwhile historical
detail to remember the early days.

Richard

[1] http://www.systemed.net/blog/legacy/entry071107122332.html



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[Talk-GB] Soild fuel

[Andy Robinson]

Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around,
probably many of them in some countries. 

amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on the
map for your efforts.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7171642306

 

Cheers

Andy

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Re: [Talk-GB] Stale Developments

[Andy Robinson]

Excellent Robert, very useful.

Note that brownfield sites can remain that way for many many years before 
eventually being developed. I recall investigating brownfield sites in 
Birmingham as part of my degree in the 1980's (photogrammetry module). Some of 
those sites are still brownfield. Many heavily contaminated sites in our urban 
sprawls require cleaning up before they can ever be reused.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) [mailto:robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 January 2020 14:10
To: talk-gb
Subject: [Talk-GB] Stale Developments

I'd like to announce a new mini QA tool that I've put together for UK
OSMers: Stale Developments: https://osm.mathmos.net/developments/

It finds OSM UK highway and landuse tags with tags values of
construction, brownfield and greenfield, which haven't been edited for
over a year. The idea is that such objects should correspond to
real-life developments, whose status is likely to change on that
timescale. Hence the OSM objects probably need reviewing and updating.

To keep the numbers reasonable, the page above only lists the most
stale objects (no edits for over four years), but the full set of the
data is exposed through my Survey Me tool at
https://osm.mathmos.net/survey/ .

Do take a look if you're interested. I hope this is useful to some of you.

Robert.

-- 
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] HS2 phase 1 updates - Solihull interchange station

[Andy Robinson]

Brian,

 

Still a bit early to mobilise the troops for general HS2 related mapping. 
Clearance, demolition, utility diversions and compound establishment is still 
the focus along with infrastructure that facilitates HS2 like the work near the 
NEC. The main construction should get underway next year but it could be 2021 
in some areas. The first signs will be when fencing contractors start to fence 
off either side of the land take for the main linear construction works.

 

There is a wiki page at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/High_Speed_2 but 
it’s probably time to create a new page specifically for the Phase 1 
construction so I’ve added an empty stub link at the top of the High Speed 2 
page if anyone fancies dropping in any text/info. Folks who are keeping an eye 
on their patch can if they like add their name and any notes to the 
construction page to save duplication of mapping effort and improve 
communication.

 

As for site entrances & references etc, useful to have them in OSM but note 
some may change as the project moves from enabling works to full HS2 
construction. Not all compounds are the responsibility of the main HS2 
contractors.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 16 December 2019 20:33
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] HS2 phase 1 updates - Solihull interchange 
station

 

Thanks for the update Andy: drove past there on Sunday and things have moved on 
considerably. I've updated appropriately. Do you think it's necessary to have 
the compounds identified by name and entrance? They're going to be around for a 
couple of years and folk will need to get to them. I've also updated  some 
demolition areas in Birmingham. I'm on the updates list for HS2 for Warwicks 
and Birmingham now. Do you think it would be a good idea for OSMers to adopt a 
stretch of the HS2 route and keep an eye on it - possible set HS2 up as a UK 
OSM national project with its own wiki page ( you might already have done 
this). Thanks for all your sterling efforts in getting the data in.

 

Regards and Merry Xmas

 

Brian

 

On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 at 16:29, Andy Robinson  wrote:

The link below provides info on compounds and new highway bridge structures
being set-up and constructed next year in and around the proposed
interchange station by the NEC.

https://tinyurl.com/rmspe8q

Cheers
Andy


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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] HS2 phase 1 updates - Solihull interchange station

[Andy Robinson]

The link below provides info on compounds and new highway bridge structures
being set-up and constructed next year in and around the proposed
interchange station by the NEC.

https://tinyurl.com/rmspe8q

Cheers
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[Talk-GB] HS2 camden updates

[Andy Robinson]

For those keeping an eye on the HS2 Phase 1 preparatory works changes to the
landscape here is the link to the latest Camden district 12 month look ahead
which covers Euston and its approaches.

http://tiny.cc/r9skhz

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Banksy

[Andy Robinson]

Ah, but you haven’t made the pair a relation ;-)

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 11 December 2019 12:39
To: Andy Mabbett; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Banksy

 

But you forgot the bench! The artwork doesn't work without the bench. I've 
added it to complete the picture (pun intended)

 

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Banksy

[Andy Robinson]

Therefore I recon Mr Mabbett must = Mr Banksy since Brian is always getting 
things mapped before anyone else J

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 11 December 2019 08:58
To: Andy Mabbett
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Banksy

 

Well done - you beat me to it

 

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 at 22:09, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

It's OK folks, you can relax.

I've added Birmingham's new Banksy artwork to the map:

   https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7047824939

-- 
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@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] December - Christmas curry

[Andy Robinson]

Happy Christmas all, enjoy your curry.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 04 December 2019 19:18
To: Rob Nickerson; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] December - Christmas curry

 

Gosh it come around quickly! See you there

 

On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 18:34, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

Hi all,

 

Just a reminder that this is tomorrow (Manzils Restaurant, Digbeth - Thursday, 
5th December meet at 7:30).

 

Hope to see you there.

 

Rob

 

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, 21:42 Rob Nickerson,  wrote:

Great. Anyone else able to make it?


Rob

 

 

On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 15:14, Brian Prangle  wrote:

Works for me

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:05 PM Rob Nickerson  
wrote:

Hi all,

 

In what is now becoming a bit of a tradition, we discussed going for curry for 
our December mappa mercia meeting. If in agreement I suggest we stick to the 
same place as previous years (Manzils Restaurant, Digbeth).

 

First Thursday of the month would make it 5th December. Shall we say to meet at 
7:30?

 

Best regards,

Rob

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Re: [Talk-GB] Name Suggestion Index

[Andy Robinson]

Could make them all fast food outlets? Bakewell tarts, Melton Mowbray pies, 
Cornish Pasties, and my favourite Cartmel sticky toffee puddings……

Chocolate might just be a cuisine?

 

Or is that just stirring the pot J

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: SK53 [mailto:sk53@gmail.com] 
Sent: 08 November 2019 11:54
To: Peter Neale
Cc: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Name Suggestion Index

 

I wish there was a general rule which could be easily formulated: certainly it 
would be useful to make some useful rules-of-thumb more explicit. Below is a 
crude attempt at some considerations.

 

Broadly speaking the shop=confectionery, confectionery=chocolate is probably 
what works best. The issue is not specifically chocolate but, as DaveF pointed 
out earlier in the thread, all the other specialist sweet/cake shops selling 
local specialties such as fudge or toffee (or perhaps even Bakewell Puddings). 
There are probably lots of these special cases which is usually a good sign to 
stick with the more general tag. The other issue is that a tag has to work 
across the globe & the presence of significant numbers of South Asian sweet 
outlets in Britain also suggests sticking with the more general tag. 

 

Also confectionery is more widely used & has a much longer usage. So both sets 
of tags need to be looked at anyway if one is looking for chocolate shops. 

 

Lastly using a subtag (confectionery) always means one is adding information 
and not changing the meaning of an existing tag. shop=chocolate implies that 
shop=confectionery is a shop which sells sweet things except chocolate.

 

The archetypal shop tag where a more general value is better than a specific 
one is shop=beauty. Some will be pure nail bars, but many offer a bewildering 
array of treatments. The general tag allows one not to have to worry about all 
this detail unless one is specifically interested. 

 

For really posh chocolate shops (not Hotel Chocolat or Thorntons) one could add 
craft=chocolatier (but be careful, many years ago I remember being disappointed 
to discover that the Belgiian chocolate firm Godiva was owned by Campbells 
Soup).

 

Jerry

 

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 11:01, Peter Neale via Talk-GB 
 wrote:

Hotel Chocolat could be tagged "shop=chocolate", I suppose, but chocolate is a 
sub-set of confectionery, so perhaps it should retain "shop=confectionery", so 
that users looking for a sugar high don't have to search for both 
shop=confectionery and shop=chocolate (and shop=boiled sweets and 
shop=fruit_gums and shop=seaside_rock and)?

 

Would that make it "shop=confectionery / confectionery=chocolate"?  (I am a bit 
new to the "rules" of tagging) 

 

Regards,

Peter

 

 

On Friday, 8 November 2019, 10:41:28 GMT, Silent Spike 
 wrote: 

 

 

I'm a (UK based) maintainer of the NSI repository and can push changes directly 
to it. I haven't been as active lately, but previously was working my way 
through UK brands.

 

"The Range" is one I've looked at previously but never figured out the most 
appropriate tagging which is why it still isn't in the index (for cases like 
that I'd like to consult the community for some consensus). I'll actually start 
a new thread to discuss this brand today.

 

"Hotel Chocolat" I believe is shop=confectionery in the index purely because it 
was the established tagging. If there is some community consensus it should be 
changed then that can be done (and this is why the index is so useful, because 
all existing locations matched to the brand via `brand:wikidata` could be 
automatically re-tagged with the preferred value).

 

If there are brands missing or issues with the current brand tagging I'd 
suggest either:

- Open an issue on the repository (or a pull request if you're comfortable with 
git and json) and all contributors will then see it

- If you don't have a github account and don't want one, just bring things up 
on this mailing list (feel free to email me directly too) and I'll see them and 
can either open an issue or push changes

 

 

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Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

[Andy Robinson]

I guess you could do that anyway. Most folks are only interested in relative 
position and not whether one point on one side of the globe has the same 
positional accuracy as a point on the opposite side. Surveyors have for 
centuries been relying on a local arbitrary reference point and still do today, 
even if the measurements nowadays are generally completed using GPS.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Simon Ritchie [mailto:simonritchie...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 October 2019 12:32
To: Russ Garrett
Cc: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

 

> You're not going to find a (publically-accessible) physical location which 
> has better location error than 1m or so.  

 

That was the kind of conclusion that I was coming to.  There's the meridian 
line at Greenwich, but that only gives one coordinate.  It's a pity that they 
don't have a crosshair with a published position.

 

I think that the only way forward may be to get hold of another accurate GPS 
device and compare results.  Unfortunately, the others tend to be quite 
expensive.  Trimble have a cheap deice called the Catalyst, but you still have 
to buy their correction service at £300 per month.

 

If I did have such a device I could to my local trig points, get  accurate 
positions and publish them.  I could use those data to test and calibrate my 
"budget" solution. 

 

Regards

 

Simon

 

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Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

[Andy Robinson]

Are you using trig points that are also OS Net station locations? 
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/legacy/docs/gps/OSNet_GPSWebSite_Coordinates_File.txt

I don’t believe many traditional trig stations were ever properly co-ordinated 
to OS Net.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Simon Ritchie [mailto:simonritchie...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 October 2019 11:06
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

 

I've been working with some GPS equipment that claims to be accurate to 2cm.  
To test it, I've been visiting local OS trig points, taking position 
measurements and checking if they are correct.

 

Unfortunately I've discovered that the data I'm getting from the OS is not 
nearly as accurate as my equipment claims to be, which is wrecking my testing.

 

We tend to assume (well, I do anyway) that OS trig points are very accurate 
position markers, but compared with modern equipment, that's no longer so.  I 
thought people might be interested in knowing how accurate they are.

 

A related issue is this:  GPS devices don't work in terms of OS map references. 
 If your tracker device gives you a position in that form, it's done a 
conversion.  How accurate is that?

 

The GPS device in a typical tracker is accurate to maybe three metres, so the 
position you see on the screen will always be a bit wrong.  If you get it to 
display your position in OS map reference form, it will need to do a 
conversion, which introduces an extra error, so the result will be even more 
wrong.  Not good if you are trying to produce an accurate map.

 

The OS published a spreadsheet giving the positions of their trig points in OS 
map references.  This is available from them as a spreadsheet and Ian Harris 
has used that data to create the web site:http://trigpointing.uk 
 

 

The OS also offer a web page that can convert this to other forms including 
Cartesian, which is one of the forms that my GPS device gives me:  
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/gps/transformation/

 

To test my equipment, I take the OS map ref of a trig point, convert it to 
Cartesian form,  visit the trig point, get the position in Cartesian form from 
my device and compare the two.

 

The results are typically out by at least half a metre.  Is my equipment 
faulty, or is the OS data wrong.  How accurate is the published position of the 
trig point and, when I use the OS web page to convert that to Cartesian form, 
how accurate is thatt?

 

This OS document was very enlightening:  
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/legacy/docs/gps/updated-transformations-uk-ireland-geoid-model.pdf

It explains how the Cartesian coordinates work, which is useful.  It reminds me 
that OS maps pretend that the Earth is flat, which introduces an error, but 
that's tiny, and for my purposes itcan be ignored.  It explains how accurate 
you can expect the published measurements of trig point positions to be - they 
can be out by as much as 60 cm!  In general, the document stresses that there 
is no sure-fire way to convert a position from one system to another.  The 
result will always be inaccurate.

 

So now I know that the published positions of the trig points are a bit wrong, 
but how accurate is the conversion from OS map ref to Cartesian form?

 

OS map references plus height above sea level and Cartesian coordinates both 
specify a position using a 3D coordinate system.  The origin and the direction 
of the axes are different in each system so you can't compare thm directly.  
However, the distances between two points should be the same regardless of 
which system you use.  If you have two points in the same coordinate system 
(a1,b1,c1) and (a2,b2,c2) and the difference along each axis is a,b and c then 
the distance between them is

 

the square root of (a squared plus b squared plus c squared) by Pythagoras

 

If you have two points in a different coordinate system representing the same 
two positions, the distance between them should be the same.

 

So I can test the accuracy of the conversion from OS map references to 
Cartesian.  In the table below, on the left, we have the trig points at Box 
Hill and Leith Hill in OS map reference form, the difference along each axis 
and below that the resulting distance.  On the right we have the same 
calculation but using the Cartesian coordinates from the OS conversion page.

 

Below that I do the same comparison, this time using the trig point at 
Mickleham Down and the one at Leith Hill.

 

In both cases, the distances are out by over two metres.

 

So, I'm trying to test equipment which is supposed to be accurate to two cm 
using data that is out by at least two metres.  That's not going to work.  I 
need something more accurate to compare my results with.

 

 

 OS Map Ref 
 Cartesian  
   
Box Hill Leith Hill   Difference   Box Hill  Leith Hill 
Difference

Re: [Talk-GB] 24 hour mapathon - Aberconwy

[Andy Robinson]

A few minutes done in Penrhyn Bay 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/53.31715/-3.76346

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 October 2019 06:43
To: Talk-GB
Subject: [Talk-GB] 24 hour mapathon - Aberconwy

 

Today is the day of the Aberconwy mapathon. At any point during the day if you 
can spare a few minutes to look at Aberconwy that would be great. 

 

We're looking at this region:

http://geojson.io/#data=data:text/x-url,https%3A%2F%2Fons-inspire.esriuk.com%2Farcgis%2Frest%2Fservices%2FElectoral_Boundaries%2FWestminster_Parliamentary_Constituencies_December_2018_UK_BGC%2FMapServer%2F0%2Fquery%3Ff%3Dgeojson%26where%3Dpcon18cd%2520%253D%2520%2527W0758%2527%26returnGeometry%3Dtrue

 

Maybe you can find something mapped using the old NPE source which can be 
updated using latest open data/imagery.

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_24_hour_mapathons

 

Thank you,

Rob

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Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

[Andy Robinson]

Cheers Chris, always mightily useful.

 

Andy

 

From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] 
Sent: 02 October 2019 15:38
To: Tony OSM; OSM Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

 

Thanks,

I've just updated with August 2019 data, the next update is due in November I 
think. 

-- 
cheers
Chris Hill (chillly)

On 02/10/2019 15:24, Tony OSM wrote: 

Hi

Didn't know about your JOSM overlay - just added and it looks great.

Tony Shield (TonyS999)

On 02/10/2019 14:20, Chris Hill wrote:

I would not like to see that happen. OSM maps real objects, postcodes are not 
real and only apply as a part of an object's address. They apply to buildings 
(delivery points on buildings really). The postcodes in Codepoint Open are 
centroids derived from a combination of all the delivery points that share the 
postcode so are not at all real-world objects.

If you want to apply postcodes to addresses you can see the map overlay I have 
produced which you can use in editors as an overlay: 
https://codepoint.raggedred.net/  I will update it again shortly. You can also 
derive postcodes from other open data sources such as FHRS data. 

-- 
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Chris Hill (chillly)
 

On 02/10/2019 13:43, Russ Phillips via Talk-GB wrote:

Hi,

I'm wondering if it would be feasible and advisable to import the UK postcode 
data from OS OpenData Codepoint 
 .

The licence is OSM compatible. My thinking was that we could create a node for 
each data point and set the addr:postcode tag. This would be useful for routing 
software like OsmAnd, since it would allow a user to enter a postcode as a 
destination.

I'm happy to do the work, but the import guidelines 
  say that imports 
should be discussed on the imports@ list and the appropriate local communities, 
hence this email.

Russ Phillips

 

 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

[Andy Robinson]

Thanks Andy, that provides some useful context. As others have also pointed out 
new data is generally good for OSM and we can't expect all users to ever get 
all the tags right on a first pass. I'll be keeping a closer eye in my area and 
will make direct contact with mappers who seem to be routinely missing the 
important point. My biggest concern was your noted "adding connectivity where 
there isn't any public connectivity" point. It's almost impossible to see if a 
service road (especially private driveways) has any access rights without being 
on the ground and even then it might not say. Even a gps trace doesn’t confirm 
that there was permission to travel, just that they did. The question is 
whether it's better to have connectivity implied within the OSM database or to 
leave it out of OSM until you have a better understanding on the ground.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: ajt1...@gmail.com [mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 31 July 2019 15:53
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

On 29/07/2019 09:35, Andy Robinson wrote:
> I've just looked at a number of Amazon Logistics in my local area

Just to give everyone a bit of a heads-up about the DWG's involvement 
here - we got a number of messages about Amazon's mapping.  The biggest 
immediate problem was their use of "motor_vehicle=yes" on 
"highway=track" regardless of the actual legal access status.  To cut a 
long story short, they have removed this where they've blanket added it, 
and have since asked exactly how to map sort of thing (at 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jguthula/diary/390322 and elsewhere).

The list of Amazon editors is quite long - 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amazon_Logistics#Editors - and not 
all are active in the UK.  I used overpass queries like 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Lea to check the edits.  With regard to the 
"motor_vehicle=yes" issue, I contacted each of the Amazon mappers active 
in the UK individually rather than going through a "manager" to try and 
get them talking to the local community.  In order to get from edits 
there to changeset discussion comments, click on an object on that map, 
then on the changeset, then "changeset XML" and copy the "uid=" value 
and use it in a URL such as 
resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=9310279 .

One other issue that people have raised with these edits have been 
"adding connectivity where there isn't any public connectivity" (i.e. 
adding a "highway=service" or "highway=track" that is in reality a 
private farm track, that connects two public roads).  Personally I 
wouldn't assume that either of these had public access in England and 
Wales* (Scotland has a different legal system), and I don't think that 
we can blame Amazon for adding missing geometry but only some missing 
tags.  Local mappers will still be needed to add these.  Amazon editors 
tend to have their own "local area" so a variation of the overpass query 
above can be used to identify newly added objects - I'm sure that some 
people will be able to use local knowledge to say "well obviously way 
XYZ should be access=private" and similar.

While looking at these issues I did notice quite a few other tracks and 
rural service roads (driveways etc.) where the access tags looked a bit 
unlikely - and there are of course many examples were designations 
haven't been added (where that isn't open data, that needs survey).  I 
notice that someone from the National Trust has written a diary entry 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AJW92/diary/390378 to discuss how to 
tag England and Wales "rights of way" designations.

Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)

* I'd suggest that it's also not correct to tag "access=private" on 
newly traced farm etc. tracks - if the example above 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/120277748 is a "byway open to all 
traffic" then access=yes or motor_vehicle=yes on there will be correct, 
and "private" would be wrong (TROs notwithstanding).




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[Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

[Andy Robinson]

I've just looked at a number of Amazon Logistics in my local area. A lot of
service roads are getting added which on face value look perhaps to be
driveways but that tag hasn't been added. Just stinks of armchair mapping.
The users (three I spotted off the bat) all have the following   "I work for
Amazon Logistics. At Amazon Logistics, we've been utilizing OSM in some
cases related to our delivery programs. In connection with those delivery
programs, we have collected information that we think is valuable to the OSM
community such as names and info about new roads that are not currently in
the map today, new data on turn restrictions, and road connectivity, to name
a few. When we hear feedback, we've been editing to provide that information
for the benefit of the entire OSM user community. If you have more
questions, please contact osm-edit-escalati...@amazon.com" in their username
profiles but there is no link to what's really going on and what the basis
of the edits are.

Anyone else have concerns over benefits?

Cheers
Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

[Andy Robinson]

If a gate opens automatically I would say it's an access=yes regardless of how 
the way is tagged.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Colebourne [mailto:scolebou...@joda.org] 
Sent: 26 July 2019 10:47
To: talk-gb OSM List
Subject: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

I'd like to distinguish between two kinds of gate on private roads:

- those where the gate is closed by default (eg automatic closing)
- those where the gate is open by default (the gate exists, but is
rarely if ever closed)

Currently I'm marking both as barrier=gate & access=private, but I
can't see an obvoius way to mark the open/closed by default aspect.
One thought was to use access=permissive on those that are open (with
the highway still access=private).

Any suggestions?

Stephen
PS, I do want to mark the gate on the map even if it is always open

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] End of an era at The Bull

[Andy Robinson]

That whole area is set to change. Lots of fond memories with Rose at the helm. 
See will be sorely missed. Thanks for posting.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] 
Sent: 22 July 2019 20:49
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] End of an era at The Bull

We've often held our winter meetings at The Bull, on Price Street in
Birmingham. I have just seen this announcement on Facebook;

"Today is Rose’s last day as landlady at The Bull.

"The new landlord will be taking over tomorrow.

"On Friday evening Rose will be at the pub if anyone would like to
come and see her, best thing about is it she won’t be working."

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route

[Andy Robinson]

Hi Brian,

Great. As a cyclist what was your impression of the route?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 15 April 2019 19:52
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; OSM Group WM
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route

 

Hi Andy

 

Just to make absolutley sure I cycled this route today and added/corrected 
detail and also took the opportunity to check upon the progress of the 
Commonwealth Games Athletes Village - the old BCU is completely demolished 
apart from the pub - maybe they're going to retain it as an example of English 
quaintness.

 

The Bristol Road cycleway is way behind schedule but I've added an untagged way 
ready for the opening

 

Rgds

 

Brian

 

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 08:37, Andy Robinson  wrote:

Excellent, Cheers Brian.

 

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 09 April 2019 22:04
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: OSM Group WM
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route

 

All in hand I have surveyed most of it and added it as an untagged way

I'll tag it tomorrow

 

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, 21:15 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

I see the new A34 cycle route is basically open. Looks like there is some 
mapping to do! Alas I can’t get onto it anytime soon.

 

Cheers

Andy (now very definitely in Cheshire)

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route

[Andy Robinson]

Excellent, Cheers Brian.

 

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 09 April 2019 22:04
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: OSM Group WM
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route

 

All in hand I have surveyed most of it and added it as an untagged way

I'll tag it tomorrow

 

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, 21:15 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

I see the new A34 cycle route is basically open. Looks like there is some 
mapping to do! Alas I can’t get onto it anytime soon.

 

Cheers

Andy (now very definitely in Cheshire)

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[Talk-GB] HS2 Phase 1 enabling works progress

[Andy Robinson]

I'm keeping an eye over the whole of the HS2 Phase 1 route between Euston
and Lichfield for major updates but it would helpful if those closest to
their patch of the route could help by keeping an eye out for changes to the
landscape that need map updates; I appreciate some will be doing this
already. You can find out what's happening on a week by week basis for a
given area/county by subscribing to the news feeds at
https://hs2.commonplace.is/.

 

Currently the only work going on are principally three aspects of enabling
works:

1.   Building demolition (or prep for same) - most noticeably at Euston,
Old Oak Common, in Birmingham and at the main tunnel portals.

2.   Archaeology - all along the route and other areas which will fall
under construction eventually.

3.   Major utility diversions.

 

The construction of the rail route itself including all structures, stations
and depots won't commence until the end of the year at the earliest.

 

Currently the main elements of the Phase 1 route including those areas
compulsory purchased (vesting declarations) are sitting under one OSM
relation:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1986960. 

 

There is also a wiki page where you can record major events/changes 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Railways/High_speed_2

 

Cheers

Andy

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] A34 cycle route

[Andy Robinson]

I see the new A34 cycle route is basically open. Looks like there is some
mapping to do! Alas I can't get onto it anytime soon.

 

Cheers

Andy (now very definitely in Cheshire)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Road name contradictions in the UK

[Andy Robinson]

About 50% of those in the list in my Cheshire patch are one housing estates
which are still under construction. I tend to update these about once every
three months or so.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 08 March 2019 08:58
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Cc: 'Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc)'
Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Road name contradictions in the UK

 

Candidate for project of the month?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc) via Talk-GB
[mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org] 
Sent: 22 February 2019 20:47
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] Road name contradictions in the UK

 

Hi Everyone,

 

Our Open Maps team (https://github.com/microsoft/open-maps
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com
%2Fmicrosoft%2Fopen-maps=02%7C01%7Cv-oiher%40microsoft.com%7C5f43e39d0d
63417ee38408d68d2e9a4b%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C63685162
8660533805=fQkRtSQ0jQaJ7s7fWg23NervMF7yX3SGJxEwANMTOIM%3D=0>
) has been continuing to work on analyzing OSM in the UK.  Some of you may
have seen my session in Milan where we talked about Microsoft's ongoing OSM
work in Australia.

 

We've created a list of the top 1500 streets in the UK that appear to be
missing names along with the name that we suspect should be there. We are
not 100% certain if our suspicious are correct and, not being local to these
areas we are not remotely trying to fill these in. If there are folks that
know these areas we could use your help closing these gaps. 

 

The complete list is available here:

https://1drv.ms/x/s!As04HHdPPfhgg4lYigS4IiWjp2JJiw
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F1drv.ms%2F
x%2Fs!As04HHdPPfhgg4lYigS4IiWjp2JJiw=02%7C01%7Cv-oiher%40microsoft.com%
7C5f43e39d0d63417ee38408d68d2e9a4b%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C
0%7C636851628660543799=mHI1fOL4xJFNZTL%2BRcpoVlsg5hFQHJSJUEwCaXjHmtY%3
D=0> 

 

These are not major roads but they are associated with a large number of
residential addresses so end up having a big impact.  We may also create a
Maproulette challenge for these as well if that is preferable?

 

Thanks,

Oisin

 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/herriotto>
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/herriotto

 

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows
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Re: [Talk-GB] High Speed 2 route mapping

[Andy Robinson]

Jez, Excellent. 

 

The main London tunnels pop out at Ruislip Golf Course and its then viaduct 
across the Colne Valley popping into twin bore tunnels (Chiltern tunnel) again 
just on the east side of the M25. Should be Two Vent shafts in Chalfont area, 
one adjacent to Chesham Lane and the other at Bottom House Farm Lane. The two 
near Amersham are at the A413/A404 roundabout and roughly opposite Mop End Lane 
east of Little Missenden. The Chiltern tunnel bores terminate at Mantle’s Wood 
to the west of Hyde Heath north west of Amersham.

 

The M25 slips should be the main works access for the viaduct and Chiltern 
tunnel construction. Vent shafts are typically used for emergency access during 
construction. I’m not sure how much construction will be undertaken from the 
north end of the Chiltern tunnel though obviously the next section interfaces 
there.

 

Incidentally someone had retagged the Chiltern tunnel way 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/147166450 ) with railway=construction. I’ve 
reverted back to railway=proposed until full construction actually starts next 
year.

 

I know that area quite well too. Back in the 80’s I worked on relocating a 
pipeline running alongside the A413 Amersham Road by Gerrards Cross to enable 
the M25 bridge to be constructed there. It was great view of Chiltern Main Line 
Chalfont Viaduct which never looked like it could accommodate the M25 beneath 
its arches but does!

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Jez Nicholson [mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 21 January 2019 14:35
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Talk-GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] High Speed 2 route mapping

 

Thank you Andy(s),

 

...and thanks for the wiki page updates.

 

I'm originally from Chalfont St Peter and my Mum still lives there, so I will 
be keeping my eye on progressbrings back childhood memories of watching the 
M25 being constructed in the same place. :)  

 

I know that a site in Amersham has been busy with trucks.

 

Regards,

 Jez

 

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 13:09 Andy Robinson  wrote:

Jez,

 

The proposed routes are in OSM. There is a relation for each phase of HS2. See:

Phase 1: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1986960

Phase 2a: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6748946 

Phase 2b western leg: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6775224

Phase 2b eastern leg: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6775258

 

Note that 2b eastern leg does not reflect the latest proposed alignment as I’ve 
yet to see a shapefile for that.

I don’t expect any significant changes to proposed 2b western leg.

 

These relations are based upon the alignments (shapefiles) as published by 
Gov/HS2 and predate hybrid Bill, therefore we can expect tweaks and 
modifications to the details once main construction commences.

 

I recently added Vesting Declaration interests for all Phase 1 areas to that 
relation except I think I still need to do Camden which is mostly the Euston 
block which is mainly under demolition anyway. Some construction areas are 
mapped by me or by locals and I’m familiar with most of the construction 
related requirements of phase 1. Note that some current construction work areas 
for phase 1 are only for enabling works (utility diversions etc.) so expect 
construction areas to change over 2019 and into 2020.

Main contractors who will build phase 1 are not now expected to commence main 
site works until the first quarter of 2020.

 

It would be good if locals in the greater London area can keep an eye and 
update construction areas, especially at Euston and at the tunnel vent shaft 
locations out to Ruislip.

 

The new HS2 sliproads off the M25 at Chalfont could do with a clean up to their 
proper alignments when some form of access or aerial imagery is available.

 

Cheers

Andy (blackadder)

 

From: Jez Nicholson [mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 21 January 2019 11:58
To: Talk-GB
Subject: [Talk-GB] High Speed 2 route mapping

 

I'm doing some professional work with High Speed 2 data.

 

Can anyone update or add detail to 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Railways/High_speed_2 ? I 
know that @blackadder worked on this.

 

I've also been looking at http://www.thehs2.com/

 

I also know that there are now some active (pre?) construction sites on the 
route which could be mapped.

 

and, is there any advice or links to discussion on the addition of proposed 
railway lines?

 

- Jez

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Re: [Talk-GB] High Speed 2 route mapping

[Andy Robinson]

Jez,

 

The proposed routes are in OSM. There is a relation for each phase of HS2. See:

Phase 1: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1986960

Phase 2a: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6748946 

Phase 2b western leg: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6775224

Phase 2b eastern leg: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6775258

 

Note that 2b eastern leg does not reflect the latest proposed alignment as I’ve 
yet to see a shapefile for that.

I don’t expect any significant changes to proposed 2b western leg.

 

These relations are based upon the alignments (shapefiles) as published by 
Gov/HS2 and predate hybrid Bill, therefore we can expect tweaks and 
modifications to the details once main construction commences.

 

I recently added Vesting Declaration interests for all Phase 1 areas to that 
relation except I think I still need to do Camden which is mostly the Euston 
block which is mainly under demolition anyway. Some construction areas are 
mapped by me or by locals and I’m familiar with most of the construction 
related requirements of phase 1. Note that some current construction work areas 
for phase 1 are only for enabling works (utility diversions etc.) so expect 
construction areas to change over 2019 and into 2020.

Main contractors who will build phase 1 are not now expected to commence main 
site works until the first quarter of 2020.

 

It would be good if locals in the greater London area can keep an eye and 
update construction areas, especially at Euston and at the tunnel vent shaft 
locations out to Ruislip.

 

The new HS2 sliproads off the M25 at Chalfont could do with a clean up to their 
proper alignments when some form of access or aerial imagery is available.

 

Cheers

Andy (blackadder)

 

From: Jez Nicholson [mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 21 January 2019 11:58
To: Talk-GB
Subject: [Talk-GB] High Speed 2 route mapping

 

I'm doing some professional work with High Speed 2 data.

 

Can anyone update or add detail to 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Railways/High_speed_2 ? I 
know that @blackadder worked on this.

 

I've also been looking at http://www.thehs2.com/

 

I also know that there are now some active (pre?) construction sites on the 
route which could be mapped.

 

and, is there any advice or links to discussion on the addition of proposed 
railway lines?

 

- Jez

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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Andy Robinson]

All seems rather fishy to me Martin ;-)

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Martin Wynne [mailto:mar...@templot.com] 
Sent: 14 January 2019 13:23
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents


> I've yet to see a Land Registry title plan go to the centreline of the road. 
> I guess it might occasionally for an unadopted highway but typically the 
> boundary between highway and private property is either at the back of the 
> pavement or some distance beyond that (verge) depending on location.
> 
> Cheers
> Andy

Something I was looking at only yesterday. A compulsory purchase order 
clearly extending to the centreline of the highway:

See areas 1E, 1H:

 
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/735144/Map_EA_UnlockingRiverSevern_Lincomb_CPO_1Jul18.pdf

Explanation of ownership of areas 1E, 1H:

 
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/675691/EA_Severn_Lincomb_CPO2018_LIT10898.PDF

cheers,

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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Andy Robinson]

-Original Message-
From: David Woolley [mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk] 

> Boundaries of properties fronted on roads technically extend to the 
>middle of the road, at least for residential roads, and I have never see 
>those marked.

I've yet to see a Land Registry title plan go to the centreline of the road. I 
guess it might occasionally for an unadopted highway but typically the boundary 
between highway and private property is either at the back of the pavement or 
some distance beyond that (verge) depending on location.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Andy Robinson]

Tom, Jerry, Chris thanks for the very helpful prompts.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] 
Sent: 09 January 2019 12:37
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

 

Here's one of Jerry's blog posts about the not-so-open Land Registry data:

https://sk53-osm.blogspot.com/2013/10/not-very-inspired-land-registry-open.html

and my post about testing using them:

https://chris-osm.blogspot.com/2013/10/land-registry-inspire-polygons.html

As Tom says, these datasets are not Open Data and we cannot use them as a data 
source in OSM. I feel that the Open Government Licence should not be used in 
this case as it isn't  Open.

 

On 09/01/2019 11:47, SK53 wrote:

Hi Andy,

 

Both Chris Hill & I blogged about them at the time, but they NEVER had any 
semblance of being open data.

 

The same proved to be true of the Land Registry Prices Paid which now can only 
be used if you are an estate agent.

 

Owen has covered both on his Map Gubbins blog.

 

Have to dash, so no time to find the links.

 

Jerry

 

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 11:07, Andy Robinson  wrote:

As a follow-up, has anyone looked at the OGL licenced INSPIRE Land Registry 
index polygons?
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/download-inspire-index-polygons

Data is in GML format.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 January 2019 10:56
To: 'David Woolley'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Property extents

On Wed 09/01/2019 10:35 David Woolley wrote:
>Actually, that seems more valuable to OSM than the building 
>outlines as it is much more difficult to accurately recover from 
>aerial imagery and ground surveys can normally only see front yards.

Agreed, though I wonder whether this will have any correlation with Land 
Registry. I'm guessing .gov isn’t that joined up.

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Andy Robinson]

As a follow-up, has anyone looked at the OGL licenced INSPIRE Land Registry 
index polygons?
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/download-inspire-index-polygons

Data is in GML format.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 January 2019 10:56
To: 'David Woolley'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Property extents

On Wed 09/01/2019 10:35 David Woolley wrote:
>Actually, that seems more valuable to OSM than the building 
>outlines as it is much more difficult to accurately recover from 
>aerial imagery and ground surveys can normally only see front yards.

Agreed, though I wonder whether this will have any correlation with Land 
Registry. I'm guessing .gov isn’t that joined up.

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] Property extents

[Andy Robinson]

On Wed 09/01/2019 10:35 David Woolley wrote:
>Actually, that seems more valuable to OSM than the building 
>outlines as it is much more difficult to accurately recover from 
>aerial imagery and ground surveys can normally only see front yards.

Agreed, though I wonder whether this will have any correlation with Land 
Registry. I'm guessing .gov isn’t that joined up.

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sainsbury selly oak

[Andy Robinson]

As a follow-up, it would be great to update the Dudley No.2 canal work
across the Sainsbury site. They haven't raised all the money to complete but
the developers have done a load already and this way needs updating to
reflect progress: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/573536067

For info at http://www.lapalcanal.co.uk/ 

Cheers
Andy

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Sent: 27 November 2018 11:31
To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Sainsbury selly oak

If anyone is in Selly Oak can they update the new Sainsbury development &
surrounds etc. Brian, I see you were there doing just that three weeks ago.
The new store opened last week (my daughter says she got "lost" in there on
Saturday :-) ). I assume the old store is now shut? And is the fuel station
open too? The new store is "experimental" and incorporates a food court,
Oasis concession, and fully integrated Habitat and Argos. I see the Argos
tag on a node.

Cheers
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sainsbury selly oak

[Andy Robinson]

If anyone is in Selly Oak can they update the new Sainsbury development &
surrounds etc. Brian, I see you were there doing just that three weeks ago.
The new store opened last week (my daughter says she got "lost" in there on
Saturday :-) ). I assume the old store is now shut? And is the fuel station
open too? The new store is "experimental" and incorporates a food court,
Oasis concession, and fully integrated Habitat and Argos. I see the Argos
tag on a node.

Cheers
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Woodgate Valley country park

[Andy Robinson]

My daughter tells me that there are some newly created or surfaced paths in
Woodgate Valley that don't appear to be on OSM if anyone fancies some fresh
air.

Cheers
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] HS2 CP Birmingham

[Andy Robinson]

FY(mapping)I

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-phase-one-compulsory-purchase
-general-vesting-declarations-for-the-city-of-birmingham?

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] Geofabrik request: Tyne and Wear

[Andy Robinson]

Or in Gordie..

 

Cud ah myek a request fo' an additional region within england on geofabrik?
it's tyne an' weor, a formor metropolitan county coverin Newcassel an' the
surroundin area - similar in status tuh formor metropolitan counties iv
syeuth an' west yorkshire, greator manchestor an' merseyside.

 

J

 

From: Nick Whitelegg [mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk] 
Sent: 21 June 2018 15:27
To: Frederik Ramm
Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] Geofabrik request: Tyne and Wear

 

 

Hello Frederik,

 

Could I make a request for an additional region within England on geofabrik?

 

It's Tyne and Wear, a former metropolitan county covering Newcastle and the
surrounding area - similar in status to former metropolitan counties of
South  and West Yorkshire, Greater Manchester and Merseyside.


Thanks,

Nick

 

 

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] June meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Alas up north this week.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 May 2018 20:21
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] June meeting

 

Oops, I'm a week ahead of myself. It is of course next week (first Thursday of 
the month).

 

Sorry for any confusion.

 

Best wishes,

Rob

 

On Tue, 29 May 2018, 23:16 Rob Nickerson,  wrote:

Our meeting is this Thursday. I seem to recall that we picked Nuneaton. Any pub 
suggestions?

 

Please let me know if you're going. I shall be there.

 

Um, what is it... Meet in pub from 8pm?

 

Best regards,

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] May Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Sorry, will be in Germany.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 02 May 2018 14:13
To: OSM Group WM
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] May Meeting

 

Hi everyone

Just a reminder we are NOT meeting tomorrow but the following Thursday May 
10th. May I suggest Knowle/Dorridge (rail station in Dorridge for those 
arriving by public transport) in Solihull and meetup in the Red Lion Knowle for 
8pm?

Let me know if you're intending to attend

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

[Andy Robinson]

I never made it back from London in time due to two separate incidents at 
Marston Green. Nightmare travel evening!

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Eike Ritter [mailto:o...@rittere.co.uk] 
Sent: 05 April 2018 18:21
To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

Dear all,

is there a meeting today? Are we out mapping, or are we going back to the Bull?

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Suggest we strike it this month.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 01 March 2018 08:35
To: Ian Caldwell
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

 

I'm stuck in Glasgow so won't be there either.

 

Rob

 

On 1 Mar 2018 7:03 a.m., "Ian Caldwell"  > wrote:

Given the forecast, I will not be there tonight.

Ian

 

On 21 Feb 2018 9:32 a.m., "Ian Caldwell"  > wrote:

I am hoping  to make it. 


Ian

 

On 20 February 2018 at 18:00, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

Enjoy.

 

I'm looking free at the moment. Anyone else able to make it?

 

Rob

 

On 20 Feb 2018 1:37 p.m., "Brian Prangle"  wrote:

Hi all

I shan't be at this meeting - I'll be in Scotland

Rgds

Brian

 

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Unsure at the moment. May by out of the country again

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 20 February 2018 18:00
To: Brian Prangle
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

 

Enjoy.

 

I'm looking free at the moment. Anyone else able to make it?

 

Rob

 

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Hi all

I shan't be at this meeting - I'll be in Scotland

Rgds

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Jan Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

I have man flu so will be keeping away from others this week

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 31 December 2017 14:19
To: OSM Group WM
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Jan Meeting

 

Happy New Year to everyone



This should be happening this week but I can't make it: have fun if you do 
decide to meet

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Chad Brook at Edgabton

[Andy Robinson]

Andy,

As a possible future aid I added some pre M6 alignment for the Holbrook 
drainage area using the 1947 OOC OS 1:25k. The ways only have a note tag on 
them of "Drainage courses associated with Holbrook from circa 1947 OS 1:25k 
mapping". Even in 1947 the thin blue lines are not continuous and was not even 
present on the mapping from just north of the now Perry Beeches campus right 
down to the Perry reservoir by the canal. The Holbrook name doesn’t even appear 
anywhere on the map so perhaps it’s a modern name. It's also possible that 
there was little more than a drainage route back before the landscape was 
concreted. The Thornbridge Avenue area was already built out by 1947 of course.
A tall order to find the culverted route. Old construction plans for the M6 
would probably show it.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] 
Sent: 30 November 2017 19:44
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Chad Brook at Edgabton

On 30 November 2017 at 19:34, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> I found today that we have all of the Chad Brook mapped, except for 
> the stretch from The Vale, at Birmingham University, to Edgbaston 
> Pool; I have added that as:

> with an estimated route. Can anyone determine where it really lies - 
> presumably culverted?

Sorry, this way:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/543761345

I managed to trace most of the route using Bing.

--
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@pigsonthewing
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Re: [Talk-GB] Christmas / New Year Footpath Mapping meet

[Andy Robinson]

Jerry,

 

A good place to meet and get excellent food is the Hub café at the Rosliston 
Forestry Centre. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/208252961 They are open daily 
from 10 till 4 during the winter months.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: SK53 [mailto:sk53@gmail.com] 
Sent: 06 December 2017 14:59
To: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] Christmas / New Year Footpath Mapping meet

 

Dear All,

I'll shortly be sending a link to a Doodle poll to try & select a suitable time 
for a Midlands footpath mapping meeting after Christmas.

In all likelihood, the meeting will be centred on Coton-in-the-Elms in S. 
Derbyshire, a few miles S of Swadlincote and SE of Burton-on-Trent. The 
location is easily accessed from the A42 and A38.

This area is odd: many paths in woodland areas of the National Forest have been 
mapped in great detail, but there are still lots of missing footpaths as well 
as ones missing detail, particularly centred on Coton-in-the-Elms. Detail in 
the village is again very patchy: some shops and schools, but on a flying visit 
yesterday I added 4 pubs.

The main caveat about the area is that most of the pubs are either not open at 
lunchtime or don't do food. The one that does is perfectly pleasant, but seems 
to be under new management and has mixed reviews recently (Bulls Head 
 , Rosliston); and unfortunately 
The Black Horse   in 
Coton-in-the-Elms which is in the Good Beer Guide only does filled cobs 
(sandwich rolls to those uninitiated in E. Mids dialect) and may not be open 
for lunch. So we'll probably have to take our chances with the former.

The geology is Mercia Mudstone, and much of it is arable, so likely to be muddy 
and claggy underfoot.

This umap 
  
shows the status of footpath mapping in the area in August. I'll update it 
shortly & add Warwickshire & Staffordshire paths (extracted from my EMids PRoW 
data).

Regards,

Jerry

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

[Andy Robinson]

I’ll try and get in for 7ish then

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 December 2017 17:38
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Talk-GB; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: RE: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

 

I am hoping to be in the centre by 7pm. I'm not sure it's a great place to hang 
around waiting for others. If someone suggests a pub nearby for my spare 30 
mins then I'm game.

 

Rob

 

On 7 Dec 2017 4:35 p.m., "Andy Robinson" <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

What time we meeting? 19:30? 

Did we need to book at table?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 December 2017 10:41
To: Talk-GB
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

 

Quick reminder that this is tonight. Hope to see a good crowd there later :-)

 

On 1 Dec 2017 8:10 p.m., "Rob Nickerson" <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking forward to it. Looping in talk-gb in case anyone wants to join the 
"Christmas curry" :-)




Rob

 

On 1 December 2017 at 12:08, Brian Prangle <br...@mappa-mercia.org> wrote:

I'm looking forward to my curry next Thursday! I think in light of a better 
recommendation we should follow Andy M's advice and go for Manzill next to 
Digbeth Police Station as it's handy for everyone

Regards

Brian

 

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Were we going for a curry next Thur? Or some other time better for folks?

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

[Andy Robinson]

What time we meeting? 19:30? 

Did we need to book at table?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 December 2017 10:41
To: Talk-GB
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

 

Quick reminder that this is tonight. Hope to see a good crowd there later :-)

 

On 1 Dec 2017 8:10 p.m., "Rob Nickerson" <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking forward to it. Looping in talk-gb in case anyone wants to join the 
"Christmas curry" :-)




Rob

 

On 1 December 2017 at 12:08, Brian Prangle <br...@mappa-mercia.org> wrote:

I'm looking forward to my curry next Thursday! I think in light of a better 
recommendation we should follow Andy M's advice and go for Manzill next to 
Digbeth Police Station as it's handy for everyone

Regards

Brian

 

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Were we going for a curry next Thur? Or some other time better for folks?

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

[Andy Robinson]

What time we meeting? 19:30? 

Did we need to book at table?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 December 2017 10:41
To: Talk-GB
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

 

Quick reminder that this is tonight. Hope to see a good crowd there later :-)

 

On 1 Dec 2017 8:10 p.m., "Rob Nickerson" <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:

Looking forward to it. Looping in talk-gb in case anyone wants to join the 
"Christmas curry" :-)




Rob

 

On 1 December 2017 at 12:08, Brian Prangle <br...@mappa-mercia.org> wrote:

I'm looking forward to my curry next Thursday! I think in light of a better 
recommendation we should follow Andy M's advice and go for Manzill next to 
Digbeth Police Station as it's handy for everyone

Regards

Brian

 

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Were we going for a curry next Thur? Or some other time better for folks?

Cheers
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Dec social

[Andy Robinson]

Were we going for a curry next Thur? Or some other time better for folks?

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

[Andy Robinson]

Indeed Bob’s may be the best case scenario and I note perhaps the more cynical 
view taken by the likes of Ed Parkes.

 

I let out a little wee in my pants when I heard the budget announcement. 
Geospatial doesn’t get mentioned much on the floor of the house! So it’s an 
encouraging further nipping at the heels of the giant.

 

Each time I hear a welcome apparently positive announcement like this it makes 
me pause and wonder whether the tail is wagging the dog. The chancellor might 
be making funds available but the campaigning to get it is not done by the 
politicians but by those who feel it’s a worthwhile cause, they needed to sell 
it. So what influences drives like this? It’s easy to dismiss the role of OSM, 
in fact OSM may have never figured in the discussion about this new money, 
however I like to think we have influenced the marketplace for geospatial data 
in the UK and will continue to think we are (in our little world) the tail.

 

So that brings me on to the what next for OSM. Could it indeed have the 
potential to be the end of contribution to OSM in the UK?  Fortunately I think 
not. We are unique in the marketplace that we can react to new cheap technology 
much quicker than the giants like the OS. Around the corner is the prospect of 
the L1/L5 GNSS dual frequency exploitation to bring us sub metre positional 
accuracy with a standard smart phone. While the claimed 300mm accuracy is still 
a long way short of the OS’s 30mm surveying target for MasterMap products its 
getting us closer to being able to verify the near precise position of objects, 
better local rectification of the imagery we trace from and I’m sure lots of 
other things I’m just not thinking of right now. If we combine this with where 
technology is leading us – driverless devices, autonomous drones, improved 
remote sensing from satellites etc – we can expect the tools we use today to 
add to and maintain OSM in the UK to be every improving. 

 

I believe there is another important point too. MasterMap may be a great 
product today but I’m not convinced its fit for even the next 10 years. Some of 
the industries that uses MasterMap in the UK, engineering and the building 
industry to name just two, are rapidly moving to a 3 & 4 dimensional BIM 
approach. The 2D MasterMap looks more like an NPE sheet in the BIM field. 

 

But, I hear you say, OSM is mostly a 2D product! Right! While we may be winning 
the battle on getting the OS to open up its data we may be losing the war if 
OSM doesn’t react to the future direction of geospatial data. In an 
increasingly 3D and 4D geospatial world OSM is starting to look like a rather 
clunky model. If a new Steve Coast starts a 4D mapping project and it gains 
initial traction would we jump ship?

 

I’ll leave that one with you for the weekend J

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: SK53 [mailto:sk53@gmail.com] 
Sent: 23 November 2017 19:14
To: Gervase Markham
Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Geospatial Commission

 

The twitterverse has been talking of nothing else.

Personally, I will be very cautiously optimistic.

The best case scenario is one suggested by Bob Barr:

*   OSGB changes it's business model from pay-to-use to transaction based 
(a la Land Registry). 
*   The £80 million (2 years at £40 million) is used to cushion revenue & 
staff implications
*   Master Map is then released under OGL going on

Perhaps more likely is a special free service agreement for restricted classes 
of businesses (SMEs) along the lines of PSMA (I blagged this point from someone 
else).

Even if MM is all under OGL I suspect OSGB would not acquiesce to the current 
form of attribution on OSM.

Owen Boswarva's asks if this would  
 mean the end of 
OSM mapping in UK. A provocative thought.

Jerry

 

On 23 November 2017 at 15:56, Gervase Markham  wrote:

This sounds... vaguely positive?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-to-unlock-hidden-value-of-government-data

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] November meeting Thursday

[Andy Robinson]

I note at the transformed Gunmakers Arms that apart from the 10 real ale hand 
pulls “Every Thursday from 6pm to 8pm. Curry and rice or chips plus a pint of 
Two Towers Brewery ale for just £8.99.”

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/93693430 

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 October 2017 22:37
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] November meeting Thursday

 

Sounds sensible. See you Thursday.

Regards,




Rob

 

On 30 October 2017 at 19:37, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Shall we try the Gunmakers Arms? If it doesn’t work out we call always walk 
over to The Bull.

 

Chees

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 October 2017 17:28
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] November meeting Thursday

 

Hi all,

 

It's our monthly meeting this Thursday. Which pub shall we try this time?

 

Looking forward to seeing you all soon.

 

Thanks,

Rob

 

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[Andy Robinson]

Shall we try the Gunmakers Arms? If it doesn’t work out we call always walk 
over to The Bull.

 

Chees

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 October 2017 17:28
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] November meeting Thursday

 

Hi all,

 

It's our monthly meeting this Thursday. Which pub shall we try this time?

 

Looking forward to seeing you all soon.

 

Thanks,

Rob

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Wellington is here btw:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8971

 

From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 04 October 2017 08:12
To: 'Rob Nickerson'
Cc: 'Brian Prangle'; 'talk-gb-westmidlands'
Subject: RE: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

Suggest we try the Wellington. From my mate who knows it well:

 

“The Wellington is normally fine with plenty of seat's and quite a few quiet 
corners, even if they have the monthly cheese night on there is still the 
upstairs bar. Food is easy as you take your own in and they provide plates, 
condiments etc you'll quite often find me in there eating sushi”

 

See you this eve

Cheers,

Andy

 

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 October 2017 23:03
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

Wednesday seems best (just) as it's me, maybe Todd and maybe Andy. Thursday is 
just Eike.

We can switch back to Thursday next month.

@Andy: Let me know re the pub.

@Todd: Will you be able to make it this Wednesday?




Rob

 

On 28 September 2017 at 22:22, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wed it is then. Not 100% sure I can make it currently.

 

We did use the Shakespeare before but I think we found it a bit small and noisy 
(sky tv). Wherever we go its best that there isn’t a big screen in eye/ear shot.

I have a friend that used the Wellington a lot. Will ask his view.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 27 September 2017 22:57
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands


Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

With two people saying no to Thursday (3 if you include me) this month, we 
might as well go for Wednesday 4th October.

For pubs those in Birmingham may know better but here are some ideas. I suggest 
the first on the list unless anyone knows a reason to rule it out.

- The gunmakers arms. Just round the corner from the bull. (seems to have it's 
own micro brewery)

- Queen's Arms, Newhall St

- The Shakespeare, Summer Row

- The Wellington (no event on Wednesday / live folk music on Thursday). 
Bennetts Hill

- The Lost and Found. Bennetts Hill

See you soon,

 




Rob

 

On 27 September 2017 at 10:16, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I’m easy, though in Cheshire more and more.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 27 September 2017 08:15
To: Rob Nickerson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

Hi Rob

No progress on alternative venue and I definitely can't make Thurs 5th

Regards

Brian

 

On 26 September 2017 at 23:59, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Are we back in Birmingham for Octobers meeting? I seem to recall some 
discussion about trying a new venue. Where did we get to on that one?

Also I've screwed up my calendar so Thursday 5th October isn't looking that 
great for me :-( I might have to skip it but throwing the idea of a one off 
Wednesday meeting out there if that works for others. If not the go ahead 
without me on Thursday.



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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Suggest we try the Wellington. From my mate who knows it well:

 

“The Wellington is normally fine with plenty of seat's and quite a few quiet 
corners, even if they have the monthly cheese night on there is still the 
upstairs bar. Food is easy as you take your own in and they provide plates, 
condiments etc you'll quite often find me in there eating sushi”

 

See you this eve

Cheers,

Andy

 

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 October 2017 23:03
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

Wednesday seems best (just) as it's me, maybe Todd and maybe Andy. Thursday is 
just Eike.

We can switch back to Thursday next month.

@Andy: Let me know re the pub.

@Todd: Will you be able to make it this Wednesday?




Rob

 

On 28 September 2017 at 22:22, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wed it is then. Not 100% sure I can make it currently.

 

We did use the Shakespeare before but I think we found it a bit small and noisy 
(sky tv). Wherever we go its best that there isn’t a big screen in eye/ear shot.

I have a friend that used the Wellington a lot. Will ask his view.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 27 September 2017 22:57
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands


Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

With two people saying no to Thursday (3 if you include me) this month, we 
might as well go for Wednesday 4th October.

For pubs those in Birmingham may know better but here are some ideas. I suggest 
the first on the list unless anyone knows a reason to rule it out.

- The gunmakers arms. Just round the corner from the bull. (seems to have it's 
own micro brewery)

- Queen's Arms, Newhall St

- The Shakespeare, Summer Row

- The Wellington (no event on Wednesday / live folk music on Thursday). 
Bennetts Hill

- The Lost and Found. Bennetts Hill

See you soon,

 




Rob

 

On 27 September 2017 at 10:16, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I’m easy, though in Cheshire more and more.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 27 September 2017 08:15
To: Rob Nickerson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

Hi Rob

No progress on alternative venue and I definitely can't make Thurs 5th

Regards

Brian

 

On 26 September 2017 at 23:59, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Are we back in Birmingham for Octobers meeting? I seem to recall some 
discussion about trying a new venue. Where did we get to on that one?

Also I've screwed up my calendar so Thursday 5th October isn't looking that 
great for me :-( I might have to skip it but throwing the idea of a one off 
Wednesday meeting out there if that works for others. If not the go ahead 
without me on Thursday.



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Mersey Gateway bridge due to open Sunday.

 

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

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Wed it is then. Not 100% sure I can make it currently.

 

We did use the Shakespeare before but I think we found it a bit small and noisy 
(sky tv). Wherever we go its best that there isn’t a big screen in eye/ear shot.



I have a friend that used the Wellington a lot. Will ask his view.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 27 September 2017 22:57
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

With two people saying no to Thursday (3 if you include me) this month, we 
might as well go for Wednesday 4th October.

For pubs those in Birmingham may know better but here are some ideas. I suggest 
the first on the list unless anyone knows a reason to rule it out.

- The gunmakers arms. Just round the corner from the bull. (seems to have it's 
own micro brewery)

- Queen's Arms, Newhall St

- The Shakespeare, Summer Row

- The Wellington (no event on Wednesday / live folk music on Thursday). 
Bennetts Hill

- The Lost and Found. Bennetts Hill

See you soon,

 




Rob

 

On 27 September 2017 at 10:16, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I’m easy, though in Cheshire more and more.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 27 September 2017 08:15
To: Rob Nickerson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

Hi Rob

No progress on alternative venue and I definitely can't make Thurs 5th

Regards

Brian

 

On 26 September 2017 at 23:59, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Are we back in Birmingham for Octobers meeting? I seem to recall some 
discussion about trying a new venue. Where did we get to on that one?

Also I've screwed up my calendar so Thursday 5th October isn't looking that 
great for me :-( I might have to skip it but throwing the idea of a one off 
Wednesday meeting out there if that works for others. If not the go ahead 
without me on Thursday.



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[Andy Robinson]

I’m easy, though in Cheshire more and more.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 27 September 2017 08:15
To: Rob Nickerson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meeting

 

Hi Rob

No progress on alternative venue and I definitely can't make Thurs 5th

Regards

Brian

 

On 26 September 2017 at 23:59, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

Hi all,

Are we back in Birmingham for Octobers meeting? I seem to recall some 
discussion about trying a new venue. Where did we get to on that one?

Also I've screwed up my calendar so Thursday 5th October isn't looking that 
great for me :-( I might have to skip it but throwing the idea of a one off 
Wednesday meeting out there if that works for others. If not the go ahead 
without me on Thursday.



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FYI I updated some of the stats charts at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sept Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Those that know it’s now September would not have been put off by my  
suggestion that we were meeting last week! Anyway, I had a brain fart and did a 
little mapping over there anyway before realising my error! I mapped some of 
the town centre and the roads on the new housing estate on the south of the 
town.

 

Having been there we need to change pub as the Star probably won’t have food 
on. So instead the suggestion would be the Littleton Arms on the Clay Street 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/306301414 

http://www.thelittletonarms.com/

 

Is anyone else planning on being there THIS Thursday eve?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

 

From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 August 2017 08:21
To: 'Brian Prangle'; 'OSM Group WM'
Subject: RE: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sept Meeting

 

No weatherspoons in Penkridge so can I suggest we meet in the Star on the 
Market Place:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/241056883

They serve food till 8:30pm.

See those who can make it tomorrow. I’ll be in the pub probably by 7:30pm as 
the light may be fading by then (sunset is a tad before 8)

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 25 August 2017 08:35
To: OSM Group WM
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sept Meeting

 

Hi everyone

I won't be able to make this, but I think we agreed on Penkridge. Have fun!

Regards

brian

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No weatherspoons in Penkridge so can I suggest we meet in the Star on the 
Market Place:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/241056883

They serve food till 8:30pm.

See those who can make it tomorrow. I’ll be in the pub probably by 7:30pm as 
the light may be fading by then (sunset is a tad before 8)

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 25 August 2017 08:35
To: OSM Group WM
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Sept Meeting

 

Hi everyone

I won't be able to make this, but I think we agreed on Penkridge. Have fun!

Regards

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Re: [Talk-GB] Latest OS Opendata

[Andy Robinson]

Chris,

I guess the bit of interest is the 90% of Public Forest Estate that the 
Forestry Commission dedicated right of access.
https://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/infd-7rufp5#access

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] 
Sent: 08 August 2017 20:08
To: Andy Robinson; 'OSM Talk GB'
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Latest OS Opendata

Thanks Andy,

I've asked OS about Forestry Commission land, let's see what they say.

Cheers, Chris (chillly)


On 08/08/2017 09:37, Andy Robinson wrote:
> Nice work Chris. As you say it does contain some privately owned space. It 
> also looks somewhat out of date with changes from a couple of years ago not 
> reflected and missing plenty of smaller play areas within our urban sprawls. 
> A very useful tool for checking though.
>
> Also as this set doesn’t include Forestry Commission land that is fully 
> accessible it can give a false impression of some of our "open spaces". A 
> good example is Cannock Chase (Staffs), which is mix of open space and 
> Forestry Commission.
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net]
> Sent: 07 August 2017 22:34
> To: OSM Talk GB
> Subject: [Talk-GB] Latest OS Opendata
>
> I've taken a look at the latest OS open data: OS Open Greenspace. I've 
> created a simple overlay made of 1x1 degree overlay tiles, which is probably 
> a bit big for some areas, so scrolling can be a bit unpredictable.
>
> https://raggedred.net/greenspace/#13/53.4520/-1.2173
>
> There are ten types of green space in the dataset:
>
> "Allotments Or Community Growing Spaces"
> "Bowling Green"
> "Cemetery"
> "Golf Course"
> "Other Sports Facility"
> "Play Space"
> "Playing Field"
> "Public Park Or Garden"
> "Religious Grounds"
> "Tennis Court"
>
> Click on an area to show the type and the name if it has one.
>
> Often the OS open data is a bit of a crude representation but this looks a 
> pretty good. OS described it as "public open space" but it certainly includes 
> some privately-owned spaces such as private golf courses. I think this is a 
> useful dataset to check an area to see if OSM is missing something.
>
> Feedback is welcome. If it's useful, I'll probably sort out the tile sizes 
> and change the colours for each type.
>
> --
> cheers
> Chris Hill (chillly)
>
>
>



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Nice work Chris. As you say it does contain some privately owned space. It also 
looks somewhat out of date with changes from a couple of years ago not 
reflected and missing plenty of smaller play areas within our urban sprawls. A 
very useful tool for checking though.

Also as this set doesn’t include Forestry Commission land that is fully 
accessible it can give a false impression of some of our "open spaces". A good 
example is Cannock Chase (Staffs), which is mix of open space and Forestry 
Commission. 

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] 
Sent: 07 August 2017 22:34
To: OSM Talk GB
Subject: [Talk-GB] Latest OS Opendata

I've taken a look at the latest OS open data: OS Open Greenspace. I've created 
a simple overlay made of 1x1 degree overlay tiles, which is probably a bit big 
for some areas, so scrolling can be a bit unpredictable.

https://raggedred.net/greenspace/#13/53.4520/-1.2173

There are ten types of green space in the dataset:

"Allotments Or Community Growing Spaces"
"Bowling Green"
"Cemetery"
"Golf Course"
"Other Sports Facility"
"Play Space"
"Playing Field"
"Public Park Or Garden"
"Religious Grounds"
"Tennis Court"

Click on an area to show the type and the name if it has one.

Often the OS open data is a bit of a crude representation but this looks a 
pretty good. OS described it as "public open space" but it certainly includes 
some privately-owned spaces such as private golf courses. I think this is a 
useful dataset to check an area to see if OSM is missing something.

Feedback is welcome. If it's useful, I'll probably sort out the tile sizes and 
change the colours for each type.

--
cheers
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

[Andy Robinson]

Darn, something has come up again so I’m not going to make it over this 
evening. Hope you have a good one.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 01 August 2017 17:10
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

 

I'll concentrate on fixing as many OSM Notes as I can ( many left by Christophe 
about 7 years ago!) and then have  a look at the Frankley Reservoir to see how 
the works on the new water pipeline are progressing. See you in the Black 
Horse, if not on the road beforehand!

 

On 31 July 2017 at 07:53, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds like a plan

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 July 2017 17:52


To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

 

Hi Andy

My reference would be for Northfield/Longbridge. We coud meet in the Black 
Horse Northfield

Regards

Brian

 

On 28 July 2017 at 15:18, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Brian,

 

Agreed, let’s leave Kinver till next year.

 

Any preference for Penkridge or Longbridge next week?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 28 July 2017 13:32
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

 

Hi Andy

The two remaning locations on our list are Penkridge and Longbridge/Northfield. 
Happy to amend to your suggestion, but to do that area justice it would need a 
Saturday.

Regards

Brian

 

On 27 July 2017 at 11:59, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Did we have a list of proposed locations for remaining meetings this summer?

I noted a couple of new user edits in the Kinver area which prompted me to
have a closer look. Kinver and nearby Stourton, Cookley and Enville are all
pretty much devoid of any detail currently and would make a good focus for
an evening or Saturday. Also the Birmingham Velo (100mile closed road
cycling event with 15,000 riders) passes through all three on Sept 24th.
Might be nice to get some detail on the map before then?

Cheers
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Sounds like a plan

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 July 2017 17:52
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

 

Hi Andy

My reference would be for Northfield/Longbridge. We coud meet in the Black 
Horse Northfield



Regards

Brian

 

On 28 July 2017 at 15:18, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Brian,

 

Agreed, let’s leave Kinver till next year.

 

Any preference for Penkridge or Longbridge next week?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 28 July 2017 13:32
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

 

Hi Andy

The two remaning locations on our list are Penkridge and Longbridge/Northfield. 
Happy to amend to your suggestion, but to do that area justice it would need a 
Saturday.

Regards

Brian

 

On 27 July 2017 at 11:59, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Did we have a list of proposed locations for remaining meetings this summer?

I noted a couple of new user edits in the Kinver area which prompted me to
have a closer look. Kinver and nearby Stourton, Cookley and Enville are all
pretty much devoid of any detail currently and would make a good focus for
an evening or Saturday. Also the Birmingham Velo (100mile closed road
cycling event with 15,000 riders) passes through all three on Sept 24th.
Might be nice to get some detail on the map before then?

Cheers
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Thanks Brian,

 

Agreed, let’s leave Kinver till next year.

 

Any preference for Penkridge or Longbridge next week?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 28 July 2017 13:32
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next meetings?

 

Hi Andy

The two remaning locations on our list are Penkridge and Longbridge/Northfield. 
Happy to amend to your suggestion, but to do that area justice it would need a 
Saturday.

Regards

Brian

 

On 27 July 2017 at 11:59, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Did we have a list of proposed locations for remaining meetings this summer?

I noted a couple of new user edits in the Kinver area which prompted me to
have a closer look. Kinver and nearby Stourton, Cookley and Enville are all
pretty much devoid of any detail currently and would make a good focus for
an evening or Saturday. Also the Birmingham Velo (100mile closed road
cycling event with 15,000 riders) passes through all three on Sept 24th.
Might be nice to get some detail on the map before then?

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Did we have a list of proposed locations for remaining meetings this summer?

I noted a couple of new user edits in the Kinver area which prompted me to
have a closer look. Kinver and nearby Stourton, Cookley and Enville are all
pretty much devoid of any detail currently and would make a good focus for
an evening or Saturday. Also the Birmingham Velo (100mile closed road
cycling event with 15,000 riders) passes through all three on Sept 24th.
Might be nice to get some detail on the map before then?

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Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

[Andy Robinson]

On the basis that the majority of mappers make few edits I suspect that a 
change to the name would be seen as a correction by the other mapper and the 
change will remain in perpetuity till someone does the revers again! But I 
accept your point that if you are been really precise you ideally do a little 
more research and put the name in as that which it most likely should be from 
the choices and record the alternative in another tag with appropriate notes. I 
just think life is too short to worry about it J

 

Cheers

Andy 

 

From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] 
Sent: 18 July 2017 09:45
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names 
beginning "St ..."

 

Andy, that sounds reasonable from the perspective of your mapping activities, 
but it doesn't address the question of the contents of the map. If someone else 
was at the other end of the street and saw a sign subtly different to yours, we 
would end up with an inconsistency in the map data and no arbitration rule to 
resolve it.
//colin



On 18 July 2017 10:15:38 CEST, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I came up with a simple solution for road sign differences very early on in my 
mapping. I only map the name I see first J . Generally I ignore the sign at the 
other end of a street unless there has been a complete name change.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] 
Sent: 17 July 2017 18:32
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names 
beginning "St ..."

 

Agreed, however I don't think we should be fussy about minor typographic 
differences like apostrophes or full stops. There are often variations at this 
level from sign to sign. If one bit is signed "St." and another bit of the same 
road is signed "St" I think we should use a single style for the whole road, 
taking it from the longest length. We can never determine where the transition 
should go, and it is the same road after all, so consistency is good.
//colin

On 17 July 2017 18:35:07 CEST, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

We should be applying the on the ground rule of verification. As in, if looks 
like a duck and quacks like a duck then there is a better than average chance 
it is a duck. So if the road sign, church sign or whatever says Saint or St. 
etc then best to stick to that so as not to offend just as many people as those 
who agree it’s wrong! 

 

Cheers

Andy

 

PS Other deities are available

 

From: Stuart Reynolds [mailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk] 
Sent: 17 July 2017 13:45
To: Talk GB
Subject: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names 
beginning "St ..."

 

Hi All, 

 

I have read and re-read all of the guidance and local rules relating to the use 
of abbreviations where it would be wrong to expand “St” into “Saint”. It is 
quite clear that, for the UK, “Saint Ives” is wrong, whereas “St Ives” is 
correct. There is also one page where I have found “St Mary’s Church” is 
correct, but “Saint Mary’s Church” is wrong. All of this I agree with.

 

The question I want to clarify is the use of “Saint” in street names. I think 
that is similarly clear that e.g. “St Nicholas Road” (with the full expansion 
of “road”!) is correct, and “Saint Nicholas Road” isn’t. But since the small 
handful that I initially came across in Great Yarmouth were last edited by an 
experienced OSMer (Rob Whittaker), I thought that it was better to check with 
the community than just change it.

 

A not-so-quick Overpass query (using a map which contained the whole of the UK, 
and hence Ireland and a bit of Belgium) tells me that there are 10,324 ways 
which are named “Saint *” which potentially need changing if we agree that “St 
*” is correct.

 

By contrast there are 26,559 ways that are named “St *”, and a further 7,252 
that are named “St. *”.

 

Regards,

Stuart Reynolds

for traveline south east & anglia

 

 

 

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[Andy Robinson]

I came up with a simple solution for road sign differences very early on in my 
mapping. I only map the name I see first J . Generally I ignore the sign at the 
other end of a street unless there has been a complete name change.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] 
Sent: 17 July 2017 18:32
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names 
beginning "St ..."

 

Agreed, however I don't think we should be fussy about minor typographic 
differences like apostrophes or full stops. There are often variations at this 
level from sign to sign. If one bit is signed "St." and another bit of the same 
road is signed "St" I think we should use a single style for the whole road, 
taking it from the longest length. We can never determine where the transition 
should go, and it is the same road after all, so consistency is good.
//colin

On 17 July 2017 18:35:07 CEST, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

We should be applying the on the ground rule of verification. As in, if looks 
like a duck and quacks like a duck then there is a better than average chance 
it is a duck. So if the road sign, church sign or whatever says Saint or St. 
etc then best to stick to that so as not to offend just as many people as those 
who agree it’s wrong! 

 

Cheers

Andy

 

PS Other deities are available

 

From: Stuart Reynolds [mailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk] 
Sent: 17 July 2017 13:45
To: Talk GB
Subject: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names 
beginning "St ..."

 

Hi All, 

 

I have read and re-read all of the guidance and local rules relating to the use 
of abbreviations where it would be wrong to expand “St” into “Saint”. It is 
quite clear that, for the UK, “Saint Ives” is wrong, whereas “St Ives” is 
correct. There is also one page where I have found “St Mary’s Church” is 
correct, but “Saint Mary’s Church” is wrong. All of this I agree with.

 

The question I want to clarify is the use of “Saint” in street names. I think 
that is similarly clear that e.g. “St Nicholas Road” (with the full expansion 
of “road”!) is correct, and “Saint Nicholas Road” isn’t. But since the small 
handful that I initially came across in Great Yarmouth were last edited by an 
experienced OSMer (Rob Whittaker), I thought that it was better to check with 
the community than just change it.

 

A not-so-quick Overpass query (using a map which contained the whole of the UK, 
and hence Ireland and a bit of Belgium) tells me that there are 10,324 ways 
which are named “Saint *” which potentially need changing if we agree that “St 
*” is correct.

 

By contrast there are 26,559 ways that are named “St *”, and a further 7,252 
that are named “St. *”.

 

Regards,

Stuart Reynolds

for traveline south east & anglia

 

 

 

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Re: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names beginning "St ..."

[Andy Robinson]

We should be applying the on the ground rule of verification. As in, if looks 
like a duck and quacks like a duck then there is a better than average chance 
it is a duck. So if the road sign, church sign or whatever says Saint or St. 
etc then best to stick to that so as not to offend just as many people as those 
who agree it’s wrong! 

 

Cheers

Andy

 

PS Other deities are available

 

From: Stuart Reynolds [mailto:stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk] 
Sent: 17 July 2017 13:45
To: Talk GB
Subject: [Talk-GB] An old chestnut - looking for clarity for road names 
beginning "St ..."

 

Hi All, 

 

I have read and re-read all of the guidance and local rules relating to the use 
of abbreviations where it would be wrong to expand “St” into “Saint”. It is 
quite clear that, for the UK, “Saint Ives” is wrong, whereas “St Ives” is 
correct. There is also one page where I have found “St Mary’s Church” is 
correct, but “Saint Mary’s Church” is wrong. All of this I agree with.

 

The question I want to clarify is the use of “Saint” in street names. I think 
that is similarly clear that e.g. “St Nicholas Road” (with the full expansion 
of “road”!) is correct, and “Saint Nicholas Road” isn’t. But since the small 
handful that I initially came across in Great Yarmouth were last edited by an 
experienced OSMer (Rob Whittaker), I thought that it was better to check with 
the community than just change it.

 

A not-so-quick Overpass query (using a map which contained the whole of the UK, 
and hence Ireland and a bit of Belgium) tells me that there are 10,324 ways 
which are named “Saint *” which potentially need changing if we agree that “St 
*” is correct.

 

By contrast there are 26,559 ways that are named “St *”, and a further 7,252 
that are named “St. *”.

 

Regards,

Stuart Reynolds

for traveline south east & anglia

 

 

 

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] FW: [OpenStreetMap UK - General] Ordnance Survey Releases Open Dataset and Free Map of Britain’s Greenspaces

[Andy Robinson]

 

 

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Subject: [OpenStreetMap UK - General] Ordnance Survey Releases Open Dataset and 
Free Map of Britain’s Greenspaces

 

 

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Block request - Reverted edits done

[Andy Robinson]

I've just reverted all edits from two new user accounts in Coventry and one
further set of edits from I think the same new user that started editing 18
days ago. I think all three were the same person(s) as the edits are all
similar (changing road names and adding other Asian related spam, mostly to
existing objects or new random nodes).

User names that ideally should receive a block are:
zaib666
zain666
zaibz

I would have added a block myself but I see the moderator facility has been
removed from my account. Might have been nice if someone had let me know
that.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Wellesbourne Meeting July 6th

[Andy Robinson]

Alas can’t now may this evening. Hope you have a good one and the weather stays 
perfect.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 21 June 2017 17:41
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Wellesbourne Meeting July 6th

 

Hi everyone

Jack Fitzimons from Warwick will be joining us.He says " The King's Head seems 
the obvious choice; easy to find, plenty of parking. A bit pricy if I remember 
from my last visit but OK"

See you at 8pm- mapping beforehand. I've started populating buildings and 
general tidying up - all help appreciated

There's a large new estate at the very South of the village - just begging to 
be mapped!

 

Regards

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Re: [Talk-GB] What to use to obtain OSM tag information in the field?

[Andy Robinson]

How about OSMfocus?

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Bob Hawkins [mailto:bobhawk...@waitrose.com] 
Sent: 22 June 2017 14:07
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] What to use to obtain OSM tag information in the field?

 

I use Locus Map with offline OSM data loaded on my Android ‘phone when walking. 
 The one feature lacking for checking PRoWs in the field, for example, is the 
capacity to view OSM tags.  I am aware of Vespucci that will allow the 
immediate area to be downloaded and referenced, with which I have had mixed 
success.  I wonder what facilities others use in such situations? 

 


 

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] June Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

I’ll plan on doing some mapping in the Hill Top area.

 

See you Thursday.

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2017 20:52
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] June Meeting

 

HI everyone

We decided at our last meeting to meet in Wednesbury on Thursday June 1st. 
Usual practice of mapping in the early evening and meetup at 8pm.

I've consulted CAMRA's good beer guide and the Bellwether looks the best of the 
bunch. Its at 3-4 Walsall St WS10 9BZ, close to the main shopping centre and 
market (not mapped as yet!). Unless of course anyone has local knowledge and 
knows a better pub.

Wednesbury is on the Metro line. It's faster to catch a train to the Hawthorns 
and then get the Metro.

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New imagery

[Andy Robinson]

Ooh er. That’s rather nice. Thanks DG.

 

No real improvement in resolution, in fact what we had was perhaps better in 
the areas I’m looking at, but it is more up to date and the benefit of two 
separate sources really helps resolving things when obscured by long shadows 
and vegetation.

 

Cheers

Andy 

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 May 2017 20:03
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New imagery

 

Didn't need to find the URLs as JOSM already had these new layers available. 
But if for some reason your JOSM does not update then the URLs are available: 

1. Go to https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/pull/323/files

2. Click load diff on the sources/world/DigitalGlobegeojsons
3. The URLs are shown

Best,




Rob

 

On 9 May 2017 at 19:53, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

Yay, some new aerial imagery thanks to Digital Globe. I can't see the url to 
load this in to JOSM but tested it in iD editor and it's more up to date than 
anything else we have in Coventry (the Digital Globe "standard" layer)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/@kevin_bullock/diary/41132

Will get on to tracing new buildings with this new dataset :-D




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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

For those who may be new and wishing to come along we typically meet up in the 
pub after doing some mapping in the vicinity. Thus usually meeting at 8pm (The 
Plaza on Horse Fair in this instance), but if there is anyone new wishing to 
get some mapping assistance its typical for someone to meet them by 7pm if we 
know who they are.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 May 2017 13:00
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

 

I'll concentrate on the town centre

 

On 3 May 2017 at 09:28, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Perfect Brian.

 

See you tomorrow.

 

Unless others have the desire I’ll probably plan on mapping some of the east 
side to the south and east of the power station. There is a bit of new housing 
also gone in around there.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 01 May 2017 16:17
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

 

Hi everyone

I've messaged everyone ( I think)  who's contributed to the map in Rugeley 
inviting them for Thursday's meeting. Let's see what happens

Regards

Brian

 

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

How about Rugeley? Trains every 30min to an hour from New Street and fares have 
the benefit of the West Mids zoning I believe.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.7572/-1.9397

 

The Plaza on Horse Fair is the local Wetherspoon’s.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 April 2017 19:43
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

 

Hi everyone

This is scheduled for Thursday 4th May and as yet we don't have a venue for our 
first 2017 map/meet. I htink we left this with Andy R to come up with a 
suitable area we could blitz in an evening

Regards

Brian


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[Andy Robinson]

Perfect Brian.

 

See you tomorrow.

 

Unless others have the desire I’ll probably plan on mapping some of the east 
side to the south and east of the power station. There is a bit of new housing 
also gone in around there.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 01 May 2017 16:17
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: Brian Prangle; talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

 

Hi everyone

I've messaged everyone ( I think)  who's contributed to the map in Rugeley 
inviting them for Thursday's meeting. Let's see what happens

Regards

Brian

 

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

How about Rugeley? Trains every 30min to an hour from New Street and fares have 
the benefit of the West Mids zoning I believe.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.7572/-1.9397

 

The Plaza on Horse Fair is the local Wetherspoon’s.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 April 2017 19:43
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

 

Hi everyone

This is scheduled for Thursday 4th May and as yet we don't have a venue for our 
first 2017 map/meet. I htink we left this with Andy R to come up with a 
suitable area we could blitz in an evening

Regards

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

How about Rugeley? Trains every 30min to an hour from New Street and fares have 
the benefit of the West Mids zoning I believe.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.7572/-1.9397

 

The Plaza on Horse Fair is the local Wetherspoon’s.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 April 2017 19:43
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Next Meeting

 

Hi everyone

This is scheduled for Thursday 4th May and as yet we don't have a venue for our 
first 2017 map/meet. I htink we left this with Andy R to come up with a 
suitable area we could blitz in an evening

Regards

Brian

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Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering Stiles

[Andy Robinson]

If you are looking for good uMap tutorials the two blog posts that RobJN did on 
Mappa Merca are great:

http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2014/08/openstreetmap-alternatives-to-googles-maps-engine-and-fusion-tables.html
 
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2014/09/creating-an-always-up-to-date-map.html

Cheers
Andy

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From: David Woolley [mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk] 
Sent: 05 April 2017 11:05
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rendering Stiles

On 05/04/17 10:09, Ian Caldwell wrote:

>
> One of the reasons I think he was adding  name="stile". is that stiles 
> are not rendered on the standard map. Is there are web based map that 
> does render stiles? I cannot find one.

It may be possible to create one using uMap.  Unfortunately the English 
instructions are garbled, and half French, and the French ones seem to be 
lacking detail, only giving an example for areas: 



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Re: [Talk-GB] RTK / Base Stations / NTRIP

[Andy Robinson]

Hi Grant,

Neat to hear you have been experimenting. I recall looking at RINEX post 
processing a few years back when we didn’t have aerial imagery but the need for 
accurate GPS seemed to recede with time, however having access to something 
which gets survey level precision would put is on a par with the OS when it 
comes to adding new development content. I hate having to add stuff roughly, 
especially when there is a danger I'm unlikely to revisit.

The Emlid Reach RS (like similar antenna) isn’t cheap kit, which is probably 
the biggest disadvantage of accurate surveying.

Cheers
Andy

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From: Grant Slater [mailto:openstreet...@firefishy.com] 
Sent: 02 April 2017 22:03
To: osm-gb
Subject: [Talk-GB] RTK / Base Stations / NTRIP

Hi OSM GB,

I've recently been experimenting with Real-time Kinematic (RTK) "GPS"
GNSS receivers and RTKLIB with some reasonable success. I've been able to get 
repeatable centimetre level position accuracy.
I've been using u-blox NEO-M8T chipsets.

Unfortunately there are very few open and realtime RTK/RTCM NTRIP streams 
available in the UK.
The lack of access to a reasonably nearby stream limits the RTK to mostly 
post-processing application.

The open live streams I have found for the UK are at Daresbury, Inverness, 
Shoeburyness. All of which are in excess of 70km from where I live.

OS Net has good coverage, but is commercial. They do provide open access RINEX 
post processing data, 24 hours after capture:
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/gps/os-net-rinex-data/

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has been experimenting with RTK?

Do you need a live RTCM stream for experimenting / survey? I can create one, 
happy to travel closer on the weekends too. I use a Emlid Reach RS.

Kind regards,
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

[Andy Robinson]

Harry, and everyone else, 
I'm sure Brian will get back to everyone on all of this when he's back in 
circulation. He's not been around since these issues were raised. There is 
obviously a lot to digest and clearly there are some specific points to take on 
board so I'm sure when he's had time to go through everything we can move on.

Cheers and happy mapping.

Andy

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To: Andy Townsend; Andy Mabbett
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Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

I've created a wiki page specifically about the tree data import.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data

It would be better if somebody involved in running the import, would do this 
(per the Import Guidelines), but I've drawn together various info I could find 
from Brian's blog posts, and from poking at the data myself.

I didn't poke at the origin data. We could document the complete list of fields 
they provide.
Also is the whole data set is now imported? I count ~43000 nodes, but Brian's 
blog mentions 76,000 trees. How many changesets was that? To what extent has 
the data now been modified after import? What is 'usrn'?

Harry

Andy Townsend wrote:
> If it exists, an actual link would be really useful here.  I'm aware 
> of 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-Ma
> rch/002127.html but that is by no means a "well-defined and 
> transparent plan".
...
> It'd be great to be able to move forward here - to identify the parts 
> of the process that were missed, to have a discussion about tags 
> (including answering e.g. Will's questions from 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-March/020058.ht
> ml ).  The replies to this thread make it pretty clear that the West 
> Midlands group has some work to do to persuade the majority of the UK 
> OSM community that the approach taken so far is a good one.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] Import Progress

[Andy Robinson]

Harry, and everyone else, 
I'm sure Brian will get back to everyone on all of this when he's back in 
circulation. He's not been around since these issues were raised. There is 
obviously a lot to digest and clearly there are some specific points to take on 
board so I'm sure when he's had time to go through everything we can move on.

Cheers and happy mapping.

Andy

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From: Harry Wood [mailto:m...@harrywood.co.uk] 
Sent: 24 March 2017 15:18
To: Andy Townsend; Andy Mabbett
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

I've created a wiki page specifically about the tree data import.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data

It would be better if somebody involved in running the import, would do this 
(per the Import Guidelines), but I've drawn together various info I could find 
from Brian's blog posts, and from poking at the data myself.

I didn't poke at the origin data. We could document the complete list of fields 
they provide.
Also is the whole data set is now imported? I count ~43000 nodes, but Brian's 
blog mentions 76,000 trees. How many changesets was that? To what extent has 
the data now been modified after import? What is 'usrn'?

Harry

Andy Townsend wrote:
> If it exists, an actual link would be really useful here.  I'm aware 
> of 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-Ma
> rch/002127.html but that is by no means a "well-defined and 
> transparent plan".
...
> It'd be great to be able to move forward here - to identify the parts 
> of the process that were missed, to have a discussion about tags 
> (including answering e.g. Will's questions from 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-March/020058.ht
> ml ).  The replies to this thread make it pretty clear that the West 
> Midlands group has some work to do to persuade the majority of the UK 
> OSM community that the approach taken so far is a good one.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

[Andy Robinson]

Like all good OSM activity, discussion occurred in the pub. We may or may not 
have got our knickers in a twist when we did but usually we get the things 
sorted out. The Naptan and tree updates were discussed at length within our 
small west mids group and I was (and am) happy to support. Brian has been doing 
a fantastic job working with local groups who have data and the last thing I 
would want to see is his efforts squashed. It's quite possible that some of 
what gets added is crap and its also possible we have some inappropriate tags, 
but let us get the stuff into OSM and we can sort it out where it's not 
perfect. As a local group we generally know what we are doing, we've been doing 
it now for over 10 years!

Cheers
Andy

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From: ajt1...@gmail.com [mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 19 March 2017 13:13
To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

On 19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 18 March 2017 at 18:52, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>
>> I'm off for a break and I'm leaving a couple of key imports partially 
>> complete so I thought it best to give you an update of where I'm at:
> I'm told that Brian has been blocked for these edits This is 
> outrageous.

No, he was sent this message:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1271

because it appeared that the link between changeset discussions and his email 
inbox was broken.

> There is clearly consensus for them in the local mapping community, 
> and a well-defined and transparent plan for the process has been 
> published.

That was one of the questions asked in changeset discussions - can you please 
link to where the "well-defined and transparent plan" for the "trees" import 
was published, and where discussion took place?

> A well-respected member of the community should not be treated this way.

No-one doubts that Brian is well-respected member of the OSM community - few if 
any have put in as much effort as him over the years.  
Unfortunately even well-respected community members can have email filters go 
rogue on them - it's not the first time that it's happened and I'm sure it 
won't be the last  :)

Best Regards,

Andy

(cc:ing talk@ because I know there's been discussion, including on IRC, outside 
the West Mids about the trees import and as similar sort of council work is 
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

[Andy Robinson]

Like all good OSM activity, discussion occurred in the pub. We may or may not 
have got our knickers in a twist when we did but usually we get the things 
sorted out. The Naptan and tree updates were discussed at length within our 
small west mids group and I was (and am) happy to support. Brian has been doing 
a fantastic job working with local groups who have data and the last thing I 
would want to see is his efforts squashed. It's quite possible that some of 
what gets added is crap and its also possible we have some inappropriate tags, 
but let us get the stuff into OSM and we can sort it out where it's not 
perfect. As a local group we generally know what we are doing, we've been doing 
it now for over 10 years!

Cheers
Andy

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From: ajt1...@gmail.com [mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 19 March 2017 13:13
To: talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org
Cc: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

On 19/03/2017 12:52, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 18 March 2017 at 18:52, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>
>> I'm off for a break and I'm leaving a couple of key imports partially 
>> complete so I thought it best to give you an update of where I'm at:
> I'm told that Brian has been blocked for these edits This is 
> outrageous.

No, he was sent this message:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1271

because it appeared that the link between changeset discussions and his email 
inbox was broken.

> There is clearly consensus for them in the local mapping community, 
> and a well-defined and transparent plan for the process has been 
> published.

That was one of the questions asked in changeset discussions - can you please 
link to where the "well-defined and transparent plan" for the "trees" import 
was published, and where discussion took place?

> A well-respected member of the community should not be treated this way.

No-one doubts that Brian is well-respected member of the OSM community - few if 
any have put in as much effort as him over the years.  
Unfortunately even well-respected community members can have email filters go 
rogue on them - it's not the first time that it's happened and I'm sure it 
won't be the last  :)

Best Regards,

Andy

(cc:ing talk@ because I know there's been discussion, including on IRC, outside 
the West Mids about the trees import and as similar sort of council work is 
being outsourced elsewhere, it's useful to discuss it more widely).




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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Won’t make Thursday but hope to drop in on Saturday.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 26 February 2017 20:34
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March meeting

 

We  are at our usual meeting venue this week on Thursday March 2nd from about 
7pm onwards. See you there

Regards

Brian

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[Talk-GB] Ipswich data

[Andy Robinson]

The dataset you have all be waiting for ;-)

https://data.gov.uk/dataset/public-toilets5

Cheers
Andy


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