Re: [OSM-talk] recommendation for JSON to CSV converter

2024-02-28 Thread Mike Thompson
Hi Martin, Could you provide some more detail on what specifically you are attempting to achieve? Converting a geojson file of points to CSV is pretty easy, but once you get to linestrings, multi-linestrings, polygons, etc. it gets difficult because in those cases the geometry objects have a

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding automated trees to OSM

2023-08-08 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 12:53 PM Harsha Somaya wrote: > The data on these trees is only added if the user consents. > To what exactly have these users consented? Putting their data in the public domain? To some other license? We need more specifics. > I am creating an open source app with my

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

2023-05-03 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 2:08 PM Courtney wrote: > It's valid to ask for more specifics. You're right that "combative" just > ends up being an alienating word. > > Here's an example that I think everyone can benefit from. > > When I see a comment that reflects a kind of tired, angry emotion about

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

2023-05-03 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, May 3, 2023, 1:00 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of the mailing > lists > I am not sure using a term such as "combative" is going to be effective in bringing about the change you desire. First the term has strong negative

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

2023-05-01 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 10:42 PM Ewen Hill wrote: > Hi all, > I am really disappointed by the anger and outrage in this thread and > that, to castigate a volunteer in public, > I understand you, and some others may feel this way, but what I am seeing is simply an exchange of ideas between

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

2023-04-30 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:58 PM Courtney wrote: > Here, too, we gave quite a bit of careful thought to the decision. We felt > that if we did not disclose that we were on the CWG, that it might be seen > by some as a lapse of transparency. > It is good that you disclosed your affiliations.

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

2023-04-30 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:03 AM Courtney wrote: > Why is the main "Talk" channel the only one that is producing pushback? > Why is it the only one that is producing such a negative tone? > I don't sense a "negative tone" in this conversation. Some people disagree with some things you are

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

2023-04-28 Thread Mike Thompson
On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 5:52 PM Courtney wrote: > As well, this is not an OSMF survey, nor is it a CWG survey. Yes, two of > us volunteer for the CWG, but it is not formally "from" or "of" the OSMF. > I guess I didn't read the original email closely enough. I got the impression that this was

Re: [OSM-talk] Adoption of OSM geometry as state mapping base

2023-02-11 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 5:23 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > > > The terms cover data distribution, ie downloading from > > planet.openstreetmap.org so you need to go through those terms to obtain > > OSM data regardless of the ODbL. > > Really? That's huge news compared to the data being under ODbL.

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-12-05 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:22 AM Minh Nguyen via talk wrote: > Vào lúc 09:55 2022-12-05, Zeke Farwell đã viết: > > That is a good summary, though "Once the OSM available satellite imagery > > does not show the feature" 1) There are other sources that an armchair mapper can use other than

[OSM-talk] Use of "Proprietary" imagery to edit OSM

2022-10-26 Thread Mike Thompson
Concerning this changeset: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128035436 Changeset comment: added missing roads according to proprietary aerial imagery Editing organization's follow on comment: "Proprietary" for Lyft meaning "provided to us for use in OSM but not the general public" Is

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 7:46 AM Marc_marc wrote: > Hello, > > Le 25.10.22 à 09:42, Warin a écrit : > > why have the tags that mean there is nothing left of it? > > I'm using from time to time as a QA-tag to avoid that a mapper > add it back I do this as well. We have had some major wildfires

Re: [OSM-talk] Vespucci - Proximity Alerts - Not working

2022-10-12 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 11:42 AM Simon Poole wrote: > The alerts are generated when data is downloaded/merged and the device > location is within the specified radius around the object causing the > notification. > > With other words you need to have one of the auto download options enabled >

[OSM-talk] Vespucci - Proximity Alerts - Not working

2022-10-12 Thread Mike Thompson
I am trying to get Vespucci to give me an audible alert when I travel to within a certain distance of a OSM map note, or a OSM object with a fixme tag. I have not been able to get this feature to work, at least not in the manner that I would like it to work. It does alert when I initially

Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

2020-12-02 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 2:56 PM Michal Migurski wrote: > In some specific cases there may be a conflict of interest where I’d > recuse myself, but in general it’s much more likely that FB and other > companies’ need for a high-quality, free, global map with a healthy org > behind it is *strongly

Re: [Talk-us] State of the map in Iowa / Athletics data

2020-10-26 Thread Mike Thompson
Karson, Thanks for your assessment. Unfortunately, I suspect that there are large parts of the US where the quality and completeness of the OSM data is similar to what you observed in Iowa. Perhaps it is already happening and I am not aware of it, but in my opinion, I think it would be a good

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-10-25 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mario Frasca wrote: > Hi. this is funny, I recently opened an issue with AllTrails, about > them not attributing the map. > > I wonder if we're talking about the same thing: their Android App shows > a bright colourful Google logo on top of whatever map you

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging an abandoned path?

2020-09-25 Thread Mike Thompson
I use: disused:highway=path/footway/etc or abandoned:highway=path/footway/etc If it is totally gone, I still tend to leave the way with "note=There is no longer a path here, the land manager restored the area to its natural state sometime before ", (or whatever is appropriate) this provides some

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-09-11 Thread Mike Thompson
Thanks Kathleen and Mateusz! I will thank Ron for the change and try to start a dialog with our DWG about AllTrails asking their users to contact the DWG directly with map errors. Mike On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:21 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > AFAIK such text

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-09-10 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 2:02 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > Has anyone tried contacting the AllTrails[0] people about their use of OSM > without attribution? I am not talking about the "OSM Map Layer" that they > offer, but rather the default "AllTrails Map Layer." A

Re: [OSM-talk] maps/navigation data source

2020-09-05 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 11:09 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 5. Sep 2020, at 16:43, ben.ki...@mail.de wrote: > > > > Which are the world regions OSM data is better in? Which are world > regions OSM data is equal good? > > > generally urban areas and touristic

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble with getting Superior National Forest

2020-09-03 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 7:34 PM brad wrote: > I'm with Kevin, SteveA, etc, here. In the part of the world that I > live, a map without national forest & BLM boundaries is very incomplete. > A useful OSM needs this. The useful boundary would be the actual > ownership boundary, not the outer

Re: [OSM-talk] maps/navigation data source

2020-09-02 Thread Mike Thompson
Ben, What type of navigation, car, public transport, bicycle, walking...? What part of the world will you be navigating in? Some parts of the world have better OSM data than others. Another consideration is how well the app makes use of all of the data in OSM. e.g. turn restrictions, oneway,

Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

2020-08-31 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 7:46 AM Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 30/08/2020 10.00, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > What is the actual problem with other people's driveways being marked > > access=private on the map? yes, driving on is usually technically not > > illegal, but unless you are going there

Re: [Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

2020-08-31 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 6:53 PM Brian Stromberg wrote: > I would argue that maps can only show the world as the mapmaker wants it > to be shown... > In OSM we should map facts, what is observable on the ground (with the exception of personal information, and perhaps culturally sensitive sites

Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

2020-08-30 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 9:02 AM Greg Troxel wrote: > On 8/30/20 11:00, Mike Thompson wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 8:04 AM Greg Troxel > <mailto:g...@lexort.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

2020-08-30 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 8:04 AM Greg Troxel wrote: > > > Being on someone's land without permission is trespassing, but this is > not a crime. > not a crime, until the land owner asks you leave and you fail to do so, at least in Colorado. > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-08-20 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:11 PM Andy Townsend wrote: > > On 19/08/2020 22:44, Clifford Snow wrote: > > ... Instead of suggesting their users edit OSM, they instead instruct > them to email d...@openstreetmap.org, > > > Indeed, and by the time they get to us they are usually "rabbits of >

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-08-19 Thread Mike Thompson
website. There should totally be an attribution block at the bottom and we'll get that fixed up ASAP. All the best, Ron = On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:37 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 20. Aug 2020, at 00:18, Mike Thompson wr

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-08-19 Thread Mike Thompson
; [1] > https://support.alltrails.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018930672-How-do-I-update-or-change-information-about-a-trail- > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 1:03 PM Mike Thompson > wrote: > > Has anyone tried contacting the AllTrails[0] people about their use of > OSM without att

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-08-19 Thread Mike Thompson
in SF but I couldn't find any listing of a > leadership team. > > Do you want to ask on Slack? Someone there might have a connection. > > > [1] > https://support.alltrails.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018930672-How-do-I-update-or-change-information-about-a-trail- > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020

[OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-08-19 Thread Mike Thompson
Has anyone tried contacting the AllTrails[0] people about their use of OSM without attribution? I am not talking about the "OSM Map Layer" that they offer, but rather the default "AllTrails Map Layer." At the very least it appears that the trails on that layer come from OSM. I know that because

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909

2020-08-18 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 6:42 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > i will fix anything that i missed but the lines are truth. > > and it is not a polygon, > As far as I know, boundary relations have to, in effect, be polygons, in other words, they have to close. >

Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909

2020-08-18 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 6:42 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > i will fix anything that i missed but the lines are truth. > > and it is not a polygon, > As far as I know, boundary relations have to, in effect, be polygons, in other words, they have to close. >

Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909

2020-08-17 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > tiger is up to date on the web map using the current data i just think he > picked the wrong year, > That relation was first created in 2009. According to the source tag, it used 2008 Tiger data, so

Re: [Talk-us] changeset: 89516909

2020-08-17 Thread Mike Thompson
1) Best not to delete and start over as the history will be lost. 2) Do you have an accurate source that has a license that is compatible with OSM? Could you share a link to it? 3) General observation is that there is a lot of territory that is not enclosed by any admin level 8 boundary, which

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone familiar with Rocky Mountain National Park (RMNP)?

2020-08-09 Thread Mike Thompson
sk if there's any objection to removing the questionable > names? > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 3:15 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > >> I thought the names of these water bodies[0] in RMNP were suspect because: >> 1) The names do not appear in the GNIS, >> 2) The names do not appear

[Talk-us] Anyone familiar with Rocky Mountain National Park (RMNP)?

2020-08-08 Thread Mike Thompson
I thought the names of these water bodies[0] in RMNP were suspect because: 1) The names do not appear in the GNIS, 2) The names do not appear on the USGS topo 3) The names do not appear in the NHD 4) The names do not appear on the RMNP map that is handed out to visitors 5) I have hiked past here

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 153, Issue 3

2020-08-05 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 6:42 AM Bob Gambrel wrote: > It seems to me that having a relationship is absolutely appropriate and > that it should have the name of entire trail/route, just as you have done. > > It also seems to me that having a name on individual segments (the local > name) is also

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

2020-08-01 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:38 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > No > > Relations are not collections > Thanks! That is what I thought, but there are so many such relations in this area that I thought I better check. I'll wait for a few more opinions to roll in, and if they are along the lines of

[OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

2020-08-01 Thread Mike Thompson
I have come across a number of examples[0] of route relations where all the trails in a given park have been put into a single relation. Is this a recommended use for route relations? Mike [0] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10962561 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8409089

[Talk-us] Mtb Route Relations

2020-07-31 Thread Mike Thompson
Let's say you have a trail in the US National Forest that was specifically created for mountain biking. It has a name and a FS trail number. It is represented in OSM by three ways currently: before a bridge, the bridge, and after the bridge. Is this a good candidate for a route relation? Should

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest refs/names

2020-07-29 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:26 PM wrote: > That seems sensible. What about the general case (i.e. no continuity > with a county road?) - to add "road" or not? > Do you mean the same physical road has two names, or just that the county road and the forest road are connected? If you are just talking

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest refs/names

2020-07-29 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:33 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > Could we get the US Road Tagging page updated to reflect common name > practice instead of encouraging the duplication of the ref in the name? Or > is that going to spark drama? > I am in favor of the change. The name tag should be for

Re: [Talk-us] Labeling forestry service roads/tracks

2020-07-20 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:10 AM brad wrote: > Hmmm, interesting. I'm not sure they compact very many roads around > here (CO). I have lived, or spent time in, rural parts of four states (MN, IA, OH and CO) and I have never seen an unpaved road compacted. They get graded once a year perhaps

Re: [Talk-us] Labeling forestry service roads/tracks

2020-07-20 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:46 AM wrote: > Mike, > > Good idea on the route references. What should the network be set to? > > Others on this list are better able to answer that question, but my opinion is network=US:FS: ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Labeling forestry service roads/tracks

2020-07-19 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:49 PM wrote: > For > roads that appear to be public access (e.g. to go to a lake) but are > obviously even more minor than tertiary roads I label highway=unclassified. > highway=unclassified are for roads that connect small towns, or for "local traffic", while access

Re: [OSM-talk] Planned revert of added surface and tracktype tags without local knowledge in various countries

2020-07-18 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 2:23 PM Mark Wagner wrote: > > * Two adjacent sections of track being tagged as "grade 2" and "grade > 4" not because of any difference in road surface, but because one has > a line of grass between the ruts and the other doesn't. > In rural areas where I have spent

Re: [Talk-us] access=private on driveways

2020-07-14 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:46 AM Greg Troxel wrote: > So a router that does not allow use of access=private for a final > segment, by default, is broken. +1 Even if we go with the idea that driveways are not access=private unless posted, there are some driveways that are posted, and people

Re: [Talk-us] Deleting tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes (was: Streaming JOSM -- suggestions?)

2020-07-12 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jmapb wrote: > - The access -- somewhat common to find a pubic road imported with access=private, so if I suspect this I'll leave the tiger:reviewed=no tag until access can be confirmed, and add a note or fixme. (It's also quite common to find driveways imported

Re: [OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

2020-06-28 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 4:57 AM wrote: > > That is standard construction for the old above ground telephone lines in > the US - many times those lines would run along a rail bed, perhaps even > for railroad signaling purposes. Thanks Steve! ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

2020-06-27 Thread Mike Thompson
Thanks François! On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 3:51 PM François Lacombe wrote: > Le sam. 27 juin 2020 à 20:08, Mike Thompson a > écrit : > >> Any idea whether this is an old powerline or an old phone line? Photo is >> geotagged, so if you download it and drop it into JOSM you

Re: [OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

2020-06-27 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:21 PM Bryan Housel wrote: > > I’d tag as `abandoned:power=minor_line` since you said it is down in places. > > It is impossible to tell from the picture what its original purpose was, but this doesn’t matter much if you just want to get it mapped. Thanks Brian, I will

[OSM-talk] Old phone line or old power line?

2020-06-27 Thread Mike Thompson
Any idea whether this is an old powerline or an old phone line? Photo is geotagged, so if you download it and drop it into JOSM you can see the larger context. https://photos.app.goo.gl/6cMueDbGJPdz8Es77 It is near the location of this node: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/51241693 It runs

Re: [Talk-us] Is summit register something that is often found in USA mountains?

2020-06-24 Thread Mike Thompson
the wind. Some summits have multiple such shelters. Mike On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:07 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:03 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us < > talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Is summit register something that is often foun

Re: [Talk-us] Is summit register something that is often found in USA mountains?

2020-06-24 Thread Mike Thompson
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:03 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Is summit register something that is often found in USA mountains? At least in Colorado they are. Nowadays they are often pieces of pvc pipe. Mike ___

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-24 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 7:35 PM brad wrote: > > There are a few cases where property owners have put up illegal, or very misleading signs. I have come across this too. The signs are on private property, but face you as you are traveling on a legal FS road and looking straight ahead. It makes

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-23 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 8:08 AM Bradley White wrote: > > > Somewhat related, in the cases where an official FS road or trail crosses private property, does the FS have an easement, or is it kind of an informal arrangement? > > Best way to know for sure is ground survey, but generally USFS system

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-23 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:59 AM Bradley White wrote: > > > While it certainly may exist, I'm not aware of a disparity between the "congressionally declared boundary" and any other boundary of a NF, including "physical land that the NF actually owns and manages." How would anyone know where this

Re: [OSM-talk] Paid mapping

2020-06-22 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 4:12 PM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Jun 23, 2020, 00:07 by miketh...@gmail.com: > > "except for the preceding, we follow OSM community norms." > > This should be enough to ban of all their mapping accounts until changing > their plan > (I

Re: [OSM-talk] Paid mapping

2020-06-22 Thread Mike Thompson
I know we are talking about Apple mappers here, but I wanted to point out the Amazon Logistics mappers have been very responsive to changeset comments. However: 1) One of their leaders explained their criteria for a track. There were about four, and that was followed with "except for the

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-22 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 10:54 PM Bradley White wrote: > > > A relation for all would be ok too, as long as the private inholdings are > > not removed from the NF (which I think has been done in some cases). > > > IMO, a tagging scheme that better represents the meaning of these two > boundaries

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries (Mike Thompson)

2020-06-21 Thread Mike Thompson
Steve, Perhaps I am not understanding what you are saying, but: 1) Not all "inholdings" are completely surrounded by the National Forest, they are "bites" off the edge in some cases. I don't think one can have an inner ring and an outer ring which are at all coincident (they can't share an

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-21 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 5:45 PM stevea wrote: > > A large thank-you to Kevin for that deeply informative post. > > > brad wrote: > > I think its simpler and better to just create an inner boundary as was done with the Coconino NF > > The Coconio NF (relation/10956348) hasn't "an" inner boundary,

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-21 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 6:31 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > > I was thinking just create separate polygons for inholdings, tagged with access=private and possibly ownership=private > > While many Americans like to put "no trespassing" signs on their private property, a privately owned parcel is

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-20 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 5:45 PM stevea wrote: > > I think we need both as well. I've been doing this while watching the evolution of how we best do this as I participate in a "do our best, always better" efforts to accomplish this. Even now! > > The idea of the first kind is simply a relation

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

2020-06-20 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 2:43 PM Paul White wrote: > > > > Which one would be better? Looking forward to feedback. I think we need both. I am open to suggestions as how to accomplish that. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, fake map.

2020-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:08 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map here. In JOSM, if you right click on Bing Imagery, Show Tile Info, it will display "Metadata Capture Date", which is the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

2020-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:08 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map here. In JOSM, if you right click on Bing Imagery, Show Tile Info, it will display "Metadata Capture Date", which is the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

2020-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
JOSM validator does report a number of errors and warnings in the area, but I don't think they are related to this specific change set. Mike On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:16 AM Mike Thompson wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

2020-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
JOSM validator does report a number of errors and warnings in the area, but I don't think they are related to this specific change set. Mike On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:16 AM Mike Thompson wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

2020-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > > yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it. We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns. This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics. They have been very receptive to specific

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] fake, edit, FAKE map.

2020-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > > yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it. We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns. This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics. They have been very receptive to specific

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

2020-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
What is the issue? It looks legit to me. Am I missing something? Mike On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Added a service road. > > Edited about hours ago by > > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 > >

Re: [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.

2020-06-16 Thread Mike Thompson
What is the issue? It looks legit to me. Am I missing something? Mike On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Added a service road. > > Edited about hours ago by > > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 > >

Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topo layer for JOSM?

2020-06-13 Thread Mike Thompson
Dave, Can you provide the URL so those of us that no longer have access can manually add it back in? Thanks, Mike On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:40 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > I use it quite often. It is good for names of water bodies. However, I > just checked now, and it doesn'

Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topo layer for JOSM?

2020-06-13 Thread Mike Thompson
I use it quite often. It is good for names of water bodies. However, I just checked now, and it doesn't seem to be listed on the imagery menu any more. Mike On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:37 PM Dave Swarthout wrote: > I'm still seeing it and using it for my mapping chores in Alaska. > > On Sun,

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Google earth, Google maps

2020-06-13 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > I am not copying any thing, just looking at a satellite view from google . > > it was a ruler. This isn't really about OSM, it is about the Google Maps Terms of Service, which by using Google Maps,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Google earth, Google maps

2020-06-13 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > I am not copying any thing, just looking at a satellite view from google . > > it was a ruler. This isn't really about OSM, it is about the Google Maps Terms of Service, which by using Google Maps,

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Google earth, Google maps

2020-06-13 Thread Mike Thompson
According to the Google Maps Terms of service, you cannot use it in any way to make another map. [0] I would think that would include using its ruler if the purpose of using the ruler is to edit OSM. [0] 2.d of https://www.google.com/help/terms_maps/ On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM

Re: [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

2020-06-07 Thread Mike Thompson
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 7:09 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > IF someone, not local, relying on satellite views, goes after my good faith edit, based on my on the ground > > surveillance thinks my edit was wrong trying to fix broken polygon’s, that are

[Talk-us] USFS Roads - name and ref

2020-06-06 Thread Mike Thompson
Hello, This question concerns ways maintained/operated by the US Forest Service (USFS) and signed with vertical markers, e.g. [0]. These signs typically display a three digit number, with an optional decimal point (dot/period) followed by another number and/or a letter. Name: The wiki [1]

Re: [Talk-us] USGS Topos, "Draw", "Gulch", etc.

2020-06-01 Thread Mike Thompson
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Tod Fitch wrote: > > > > > With respect to names on USGS topographic maps: At least on most of the old “historic” quads I have they used a different typeface/typographic treatment for waterways versus valleys/canyons/draws/gulches. So you might take your clue from

[Talk-us] USGS Topos, "Draw", "Gulch", etc.

2020-06-01 Thread Mike Thompson
Do the names on the USGS Topo Maps that end in "Draw", "Gulch", and similar terms refer to a stream, or a valley? I have always assumed a stream, and applied the name to waterway=stream in OSM, but perhaps that is not correct. Mike ___ Talk-us mailing

Re: [Talk-us] Douglas County, Colorado Building Outline Import

2020-04-03 Thread Mike Thompson
I think there is already an effort underway to import all of the building outlines from DRCOG (Denver Regional Council of Governments). https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Denver_Planimetrics_Import Mike On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 2:32 PM Michael Patrick wrote: > > > See >

Re: [Talk-us] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-20 Thread Mike Thompson
Paul, Thanks for all of your contributions to OSM over the years! I am sorry to hear about your truck. I hope the police are able to recover it in good condition. I appreciate the support you, and others in your line of work, are providing to keep our medical system running during this crucial

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping for emergency services

2020-02-03 Thread Mike Thompson
Mike, That is a very compelling story. Thanks to you and the other OSM folks involved for making it happen and to you for writing the diary entry. I have often thought that OSM would be a great resource emergency responders because in some areas it contains data that no one else has, but

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Preliminary Import/Organized Mapping Effort Idea

2019-12-19 Thread Mike Thompson
mething you might also consider doing. > > Let me know how I can help, > Clifford > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 4:35 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > >> >> Village Earth's Native Land Advocacy Project[1], David Bartecchi[2], Paul >> Johnson[3], and I[4] are considering

[Talk-us] Preliminary Import/Organized Mapping Effort Idea

2019-12-17 Thread Mike Thompson
Village Earth's Native Land Advocacy Project[1], David Bartecchi[2], Paul Johnson[3], and I[4] are considering an organized effort to improve the boundaries of Native American Reservations in the US. We have studied the import guidelines on the wiki and will follow those, however, we first wanted

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Mike Thompson
on private lands. The US Topo uses proclaimed at this time. - Greg Matthews Published Maps Products and Services Focus Area Lead Office of User Engagement US Geological Survey END On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 2:41 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > > > > This key works

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Mike Thompson
This key works for anywhere on this > (https://data.fs.usda.gov/geodata/rastergateway/states-regions/states.php) > slippy map - take a look at the national forests near you and you will > find plenty of private land that is still within the NF boundary. > I downloaded a quad (geotiff) for part of

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 2:30 PM Bradley White wrote: > Sorry - not too familiar with imgur! Does this work? > https://i.imgur.com/4OC23x3.png Yes, that worked! > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 2:28 PM Bradley White wrote: > Yes I understand that, that is what the landuse tag is for. Private > land should tagged as private. Public land should be tagged as public. > The 'access' tag is probably preferable for this, and it's what I use. > My point is that none of

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 2:21 PM Bradley White wrote: > A visual example since I don't feel like what I'm saying is being > understood: https://imgur.com/a/0ELKyxH The link takes me to a page that is asking me to sign in. > > ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Mike Thompson
> Please do not add holes in the boundary unless they are officially > designated! Otherwise there is no point to keeping these > administrative boundaries in OSM. > Ok, but we still need to know where those private inholdings are, because Forest regulations will not apply. For example, unless

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 1:12 PM Bradley White wrote: > No, this is incorrect. USFS administrative boundaries and USFS managed > land are not the same thing, though the latter is always inside the > former. The boundaries currently in OSM are administrative boundaries, > and are tagged correctly

Re: [Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-15 Thread Mike Thompson
The consensus of those who replied seem to be to exclude these privately held lands from the National Forest boundaries. Is that correct? Does anyone object to that approach? If not, I will proceed in that manner as well. Mike ___ Talk-us mailing list

[Talk-us] National Forests and Private Ownership

2019-10-14 Thread Mike Thompson
Not all of the land within US National Forests is owned by the US Government, there are private "inholdings" [1]. The boundaries between government land and private land are often marked by signs, e.g.[2] The above photo is geotagged, and if you drag it into JOSM you can see that it is quite far

Re: [Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

2019-03-08 Thread Mike Thompson
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:29 AM Kevin Broderick wrote: > > Would https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4992960980 be an example of (or > very similar to) what you're talking about? > Yes, slightly different, but same general concept. > I've been told that one is a local reference point ("25

[Talk-us] Spot elevations collected as natural=peak and name=Point (height in feet)

2019-03-07 Thread Mike Thompson
It seems that there are a couple of mappers in Colorado US (at least, perhaps mapping in other areas as well) who are adding spot elevations (presumably from USGS Topo maps) to OSM tagging them as natural=peak name=Point (elevation in feet) For example:

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