[OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[André Pirard]

Hi,

OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
Wikipedia have been extremely fast
 in all
languages !!!
After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
how?):
Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France


I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.

It adds the following note 
to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
(they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
Translates to:
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.
Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
world.

Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.

By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
join the world's cry .
But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.

Cheers

André.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[Ruben Maes]

Hi

I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, 
I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather 
have your changeset reverted.

Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. There 
may even be terrorists here for all we know.

If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and 
have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many 
people are already doing.

Regards
Ruben


Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> Hi,
> 
> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
>  in all
> languages !!!
> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
> how?):
> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> 
> 
> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> 
> It adds the following note 
> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> > Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> > terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> > tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
> Translates to:
> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
> world.
> 
> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> 
> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
> join the world's cry .
> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> André.
> 
> 

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[André Pirard]

On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :
> Hi
>
> I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone 
> else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I 
> would rather have your changeset reverted.
My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I
feared this reply.
> Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. 
That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion
about it.
At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of
yeses, I will revert.
So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.

By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a
decision is made by Monday.

And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what
you think about the Wikipedia link.  That is, a link that is not the
website of the element but to information related to it.
> There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
>
> If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed 
> and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which 
> too many people are already doing.
I don't feel like that at all.  There is no boasting.
Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much boasting?

Cheers

André.


> Regards
> Ruben
>
>
> Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
>> Hi,
>>
>> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
>> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
>> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
>>  in all
>> languages !!!
>> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
>> how?):
>> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
>> 
>>
>> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
>> happened here on 2015-11-13.
>> 
>> It adds the following note 
>> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
>> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
>>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
>>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
>>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
>> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
>> Translates to:
>> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
>> happened here on 2015-11-13.
>> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
>> world.
>>
>> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
>> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
>> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
>>
>> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
>> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
>> join the world's cry .
>> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> André.
>>
>>
>

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[Karel Adams]

Ruben heeft gelijk. Politiek is politiek. Dat is niet de bekommernis van 
onze gemeenschappelijke zaak ("cause commune").


Et à vous André: il ne faut pas mettre en question, voire même valider, 
l'opinion générale avant de l'avoir sollicitée.


Karel

On 14-11-15 17:07, André Pirard wrote:

On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :

Hi

I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone else, 
I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I would rather 
have your changeset reverted.
My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I 
feared this reply.

Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers.
That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion 
about it.

At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority 
of yeses, I will revert.

So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.

By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a 
decision is made by Monday.


And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us 
what you think about the Wikipedia link.  That is, a link that is not 
the website of the element but to information related to it.

There may even be terrorists here for all we know.

If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed and 
have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which too many 
people are already doing.

I don't feel like that at all.  There is no boasting.
Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much 
boasting?


Cheers

André.



Regards
Ruben


Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:

Hi,

OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
Wikipedia have been extremely fast
  in all
languages !!!
After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
how?):
Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France


I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.

It adds the following note
to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
(they were perfectly mapped, bravo)

Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.

In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters.
Translates to:
Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
happened here on 2015-11-13.
Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
world.

Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.

By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
join the world's cry .
But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.

Cheers

André.








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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[Ruben Maes]

14/11/2015 18:07:06, André Pirard:
> On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like everyone 
> > else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of messages. I 
> > would rather have your changeset reverted.
> My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I
> feared this reply.
> > Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers. 
> That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion
> about it.
> At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
> I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of
> yeses, I will revert.
> So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.

Of course my thoughts are with the victims, but adding it to the map is not the 
way, just because it is not something that belongs in a GIS. Besides, all that 
attention is exactly what those filthy terrorists want!

> By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a
> decision is made by Monday.
> 
> And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what
> you think about the Wikipedia link.  That is, a link that is not the
> website of the element but to information related to it.

We don't add tags to the Bristish Parliament for the Gunpowder Treason page, or 
to some random grass field for the Waterloo Battle, or such things. If a 
monument is erected for these attacks, you can map the monument and add the 
monument's Wikipedia page and Wikidata item to the monument's OSM object. The 
Wikidata item should link to both the item for the events and all involved 
locations.

Wikipedia and Wikidata tags should point to the item about the object itself, 
and nothing else.

> > There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
> >
> > If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel ashamed 
> > and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own cause, which 
> > too many people are already doing.
> I don't feel like that at all.  There is no boasting.
> Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much boasting?

Humanitarian tagging is actually helping the victims. We can tell the world 
that we are doing this because some people will say, "Hey, I can actually help 
this way instead of changing my profile picture", and that will make the next 
crisis response even better.

> Cheers
> 
> André.
> 
> 
> > Regards
> > Ruben
> >
> >
> > Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> >> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
> >> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> >>  in all
> >> languages !!!
> >> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this (but
> >> how?):
> >> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> >> 
> >>
> >> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> >> 
> >> It adds the following note 
> >> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> >> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> >>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> >>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> >>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> >> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256 characters. 
> >> Translates to:
> >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> >> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around the
> >> world.
> >>
> >> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> >> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> >> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> >>
> >> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> >> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and to
> >> join the world's cry .
> >> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> André.
> >>
> >>
> >
> 


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[joost schouppe]

I agree with Ruben and Karel. OSM is a place for facts, not opinions.

Wikidata linking would be great, though.
Op 14-nov.-2015 18:29 schreef "Ruben Maes" :

> 14/11/2015 18:07:06, André Pirard:
> > On 2015-11-14 17:24, Ruben Maes wrote :
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but just no. Though I am personally shocked just like
> everyone else, I feel that OSM is IMO not the place for these kind of
> messages. I would rather have your changeset reverted.
> > My mind was not agreeing with my heart when clicking "send" because I
> > feared this reply.
> > > Furthermore, you have no right to speak on behalf of *all* OSM mappers.
> > That is exactly why I posted this message, to know the general opinion
> > about it.
> > At this time, it's 1 no 2 yes.
> > I'm waiting for more reactions and if there is not a strong majority of
> > yeses, I will revert.
> > So, please say yes if you feel like it, not just no.
>
> Of course my thoughts are with the victims, but adding it to the map is
> not the way, just because it is not something that belongs in a GIS.
> Besides, all that attention is exactly what those filthy terrorists want!
>
> > By all means, do not tell anybody else that the OSM community until a
> > decision is made by Monday.
> >
> > And please everybody, say something else that just noes and tell us what
> > you think about the Wikipedia link.  That is, a link that is not the
> > website of the element but to information related to it.
>
> We don't add tags to the Bristish Parliament for the Gunpowder Treason
> page, or to some random grass field for the Waterloo Battle, or such
> things. If a monument is erected for these attacks, you can map the
> monument and add the monument's Wikipedia page and Wikidata item to the
> monument's OSM object. The Wikidata item should link to both the item for
> the events and all involved locations.
>
> Wikipedia and Wikidata tags should point to the item about the object
> itself, and nothing else.
>
> > > There may even be terrorists here for all we know.
> > >
> > > If this were to appear in the press like you suggest, I would feel
> ashamed and have the feeling that we are using the events for our own
> cause, which too many people are already doing.
> > I don't feel like that at all.  There is no boasting.
> > Would you suppress humanitarian tagging about which there is much
> boasting?
>
> Humanitarian tagging is actually helping the victims. We can tell the
> world that we are doing this because some people will say, "Hey, I can
> actually help this way instead of changing my profile picture", and that
> will make the next crisis response even better.
>
> > Cheers
> >
> > André.
> >
> >
> > > Regards
> > > Ruben
> > >
> > >
> > > Saturday 14 November 2015 17:14:57, André Pirard:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> OpenstreetMap often extends friendliness by humanitarian tagging.
> > >> In this case of desolation, there is little to tag.  Little...
> > >> Wikipedia have been extremely fast
> > >>  in all
> > >> languages !!!
> > >> After some mourning period, the note below may be replaced by this
> (but
> > >> how?):
> > >> Attentats du 13 novembre 2015 en Île-de-France
> > >> <
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentats_du_13_novembre_2015_en_%C3%8Ele-de-France
> >
> > >>
> > >> I have just uploaded this change set (scroll down the left pane):
> > >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> > >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> > >> 
> > >> It adds the following note <
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:note>
> > >> to the OSM elements at the 6 attacked locations.
> > >> (they were perfectly mapped, bravo)
> > >>> Nos plus sincères condoléances à propos des monstrueuses attaques
> > >>> terroristes qui ont eu lieu ici le 2015-11-13. Vous avez l'amitié de
> > >>> tous les contributeurs à OpenStreetMap de par le monde.
> > >> In their language.  Sorry no room for added English in <256
> characters.
> > >> Translates to:
> > >> Our deepest condolences about the horrible terrorist attacks that
> > >> happened here on 2015-11-13.
> > >> Receive the friendship of all the Openstreetmap contributors around
> the
> > >> world.
> > >>
> > >> Please forward this to other concerned OSM mailing lists.
> > >> Please let me know any change you come to an agreement with.
> > >> I will make any change easily using my *.osm file.
> > >>
> > >> By Monday, you may like to send the URL to the Press.
> > >> It won't be bad advertising for OpenStreetMap to show the places and
> to
> > >> join the world's cry .
> > >> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> André.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
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