Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-07 Thread Francois Gerin
Thanks to Pieter for the link https://www.openhistoricalmap.org => It deserves more visibility/publicity I think, so as to improve the cleaning of the main OSM DB... I'm contributing a lot to balnam too. I make use of it a lot, exactly to ensure or recover missing paths. Most of the time

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-07 Thread Pieter Vander Vennet
Hey everyone, Mapping long-erased paths (and other old features) can be done on OpenHistoricalMap: https://www.openhistoricalmap.org/ . The correct way to put pressure on the municipality is to work together with Balnam.be (in Wallonia) or Trage Wegen VZW (for Flanders). They have this kind of

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-07 Thread Matthieu
Thanks for these clarifications. The user agreed to revert, not without explaining why he still believes that the ways should be mapped. I quote him below for the completeness. I advised him to use balsam (ironically he *IS* a balnam volunteer !), will refer it to OHM too. > Le premier

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-07 Thread Matthieu Gaillet
First of all : thanks all for sharing your thoughts and insight. I learned a lot. I believe that this case, which as I discovered was already discussed should be clarified and documented on the wiki, but that’s another story. > > While I don't mind disused:* and razed:* to keep these kinds of

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-07 Thread joost schouppe
Hi, While I don't mind disused:* and razed:* to keep these kinds of paths somewhere in the database, it is my impression from previous discussions that there is some consensus that paths that are really, really gone (there's a building on top; or there's a lot of fences or overgrowth; it doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-06 Thread Matthieu Gaillet
Good point. A search led me to this discussion https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/6728/tagging-historicunsignedunmaintained-trails which emphasizes the use of the disuse: or abandoned: prefixes. Matthieu G. (en mode mobile) Matthieu G. (en mode mobile) >> Le 6 août 2020 à 22:15,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-06 Thread EeBie
Hello, In my neighbourhood somone mapped paths and ways that don't exist anymore. I didn't want to delete his work complete and deleted highway=path and replaced it by  historic=path and left name=Voetweg SLH°82. In this way the path isn't visible in the usual map but it is visible in an

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-06 Thread joost schouppe
Hi, The example Wouter showed hurt my eyes too much, so I have deleted some bits; I marked a few that maybe exist as fixme:highway for now. The user also didn't snap roads to the rest of the road network properly. If they don't respond to comments, we might have to consider a user block. A

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-06 Thread Wouter Hamelinck
Hi, Let me start by saying that I have all the sympathy for the aims of the mapper. I also have been working with communities to keep vicinal ways open. I am also aware that certain ways are only accessible certain times of the year due to vegetation etc. Even if a path is not visible at the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-06 Thread Francois Gerin
Hi, I faced the same situation here. I sent the author a kind message, telling this fight, even if fully justified, is not to lead via OSM but via balnam.be (for the Wallonia part). I got no reply, but pointing to an alternative for this justified cause is probably something that can help

[OSM-talk-be] Mapping disaperead vicinal paths

2020-08-06 Thread Matthieu Gaillet
Hi, Recently an user mapped a set of disappeared “communal” or "vicinal” ways. By disappeared I mean they are physically absolutely not existent on the ground. They were either plowed or constructions were built right on them. I believe it goes against the general rule that states that one