Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi Glenn,

Cool that you want to sponsor the server! 
Regarding OKFN help: We can help with setting up stuff or coach you how to do 
it yourself. 
But we don’t have budget to pay for merch ourselves (big name, small NPO ;)). 

Eg. I can help think on what to provide at the stand Glenn proposes and maybe 
find volunteer to help us man it.

Looking forward to it!

PJ

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> On 21 Apr 2016, at 17:15, Glenn Plas  wrote:
> 
> Hey Ben/Pieter,
> 
> I was about to say maybe OKFN can help us.  We really should sell cool
> merchandise @ SOTM 2016, that is a golden opportunity imho.
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Merchandise
> 
> And park all the proceedings with OKFN for OSM.be use and be transparant
> on where the money goes.
> 
> I (company) would not mind sponsoring this server in fact in exchange
> for some small PR in the form of attribution. aka: 'Uptimed by xxx'
> 
> Glenn
> 
> On 21-04-16 15:09, Pieter-Jan Pauwels wrote:
>> Hi Ben, 
>> 
>> I’m always up to brainstorm about finding funding. I think financial or
>> non-financial sponsorships always help Eg. Combell who provides hosting? 
>> It is that way we handle such things as well for Open Knowledge Belgium.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Pieter-Jan
>>  
>> Community Coordinator
>> Open Knowledge Belgium
>> m: +32 476 66 27 77 a: Sint-Salvatorstraat 18/101, 9000 Gent
>> s: www.openknowledge.be
>>  e: pieter...@openknowledge.be
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Apr 2016, at 13:54, Ben Abelshausen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I also think we should start working on getting some basic funding for
>>> OSM.be . I'm still paying for website, meetup and one
>>> server every month, it's not much but we should be able to get this
>>> funded somehow. If we can have some basic funding we can also make
>>> other things happen like t-shirts, fyers, and so on. Maybe the
>>> exposure with something like this mapathon and/or SOTM in september
>>> can help.
>>> 
>>> Anyone up for brainstorming/helping with this?
>>> 
>>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Glenn Plas]

Hey Ben/Pieter,

I was about to say maybe OKFN can help us.  We really should sell cool
merchandise @ SOTM 2016, that is a golden opportunity imho.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Merchandise

And park all the proceedings with OKFN for OSM.be use and be transparant
on where the money goes.

I (company) would not mind sponsoring this server in fact in exchange
for some small PR in the form of attribution. aka: 'Uptimed by xxx'

Glenn

On 21-04-16 15:09, Pieter-Jan Pauwels wrote:
> Hi Ben, 
> 
> I’m always up to brainstorm about finding funding. I think financial or
> non-financial sponsorships always help Eg. Combell who provides hosting? 
> It is that way we handle such things as well for Open Knowledge Belgium.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Pieter-Jan
>   
> Community Coordinator
> Open Knowledge Belgium
> m: +32 476 66 27 77 a: Sint-Salvatorstraat 18/101, 9000 Gent
> s: www.openknowledge.be
>  e: pieter...@openknowledge.be
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21 Apr 2016, at 13:54, Ben Abelshausen > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I also think we should start working on getting some basic funding for
>> OSM.be . I'm still paying for website, meetup and one
>> server every month, it's not much but we should be able to get this
>> funded somehow. If we can have some basic funding we can also make
>> other things happen like t-shirts, fyers, and so on. Maybe the
>> exposure with something like this mapathon and/or SOTM in september
>> can help.
>>
>> Anyone up for brainstorming/helping with this?
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi Ben, 

I’m always up to brainstorm about finding funding. I think financial or 
non-financial sponsorships always help Eg. Combell who provides hosting? 
It is that way we handle such things as well for Open Knowledge Belgium.

Kind regards,
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> On 21 Apr 2016, at 13:54, Ben Abelshausen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I also think we should start working on getting some basic funding for 
> OSM.be. I'm still paying for website, meetup and one server every month, it's 
> not much but we should be able to get this funded somehow. If we can have 
> some basic funding we can also make other things happen like t-shirts, fyers, 
> and so on. Maybe the exposure with something like this mapathon and/or SOTM 
> in september can help.
> 
> Anyone up for brainstorming/helping with this?
> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
> 
> Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

I also think we should start working on getting some basic funding for
OSM.be. I'm still paying for website, meetup and one server every month,
it's not much but we should be able to get this funded somehow. If we can
have some basic funding we can also make other things happen like t-shirts,
fyers, and so on. Maybe the exposure with something like this mapathon
and/or SOTM in september can help.

Anyone up for brainstorming/helping with this?

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[joost schouppe]

> Do we have a fixed spot somewhere were we announce new Missing Map
> parties ? The URL of this page should be on a flyer we hand out to
> every visitor.


Yes we do: http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/ . And then the page
with online resources referred to http://osm.be/nl/community
Your idea and Pieter-Jan's sound very similar to the one I posted a few
weeks back at the Trello:
https://trello.com/c/9e9yx5rX/8-create-a-fixed-page-on-osm-be-about-the-mapathons-with-link-to-calender
. If we finally have such a page, it would be nice to infact have little
leaflets with the URL.

I'm still adding everyone to a new mailing list if no-one starts yelling
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Jo]

Maybe  osm.be/missingmaps could work, and for people who don't want to type
much, add an alias

osm.be/mm

Jo

2016-04-19 9:57 GMT+02:00 Pieter-Jan Pauwels :

> Hi Marc,
>
> Good eye, wrote down the same remark in the Hackpad. Something like
> missingmaps.be that is rooted in the local OSM.be  community
> would be a good asset to refer people to.
> And @Joost, spamming in my regards, are unpersonal messages pushed through
> bots, advertising and generic email messages that have nothing to do with
> my field of work or interests.
> OSM-be has none of those factors in my regards, so it’s not spamming :).
>
> Kind regards,
> Pieter-Jan
> Community Coordinator
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> s: www.openknowledge.be e: pieter...@openknowledge.be
>
>
>
> On 19 Apr 2016, at 09:51, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>
> Do we have a fixed spot somewhere were we announce new Missing Map
> parties ? The URL of this page should be on a flyer we hand out to
> every visitor. So even when they opt out from your spamming, :-)  they
> can look at that page any time they want.
> I think I missed an opportunity to inform all visitors on how they
> could get informed about similar events.
>
> Some flyer to hand out (besides the one with the instructions we have
> right now) that has some "What's next ? - How to stay in touch ?"
> content would be nice.
> Could contain links to twitter account, FB page, meetup page, osm.be
> website, mailing list.
> Stuff they could map in their neighborhood, ...
>
> m.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:55 AM, joost schouppe
>  wrote:
>
> Pieter-Jan,
> I often feel like I'm spamming people, but apparently some of the Gent GIS
> people felt a bit the same as you: why did I know so late (I did contact
> Thimo much sooner, and Geertrui came, so some information flow was there).
> So lesson learned: I'll spam till I drop.
>
> All,
> I'm putting together a hackpad with things to do when a Mapathon comes up:
> https://hackpad.com/Mapathon-Metainfo-and-evaluation-mlxQ0GwD8lb
> Please feel free to contribute.
>
> Unless someone has a better idea, I'm going to put all the e-mails from the
> last couple events into a Mailchimp thing and send an "hi welcome please
> unsubscribe if you don't want to know about all the cool things OSM be
> organizes" first mail.
>
> Yes, we do have a talk-be, but that's just a -little- nerdy for a lot of
> people. I actually met someone - who shall remain anonymous - who works at
> the VUB, is an experienced JOSM mapper and DID NOT KNOW the State of the
> Map
> was coming to his very campus. And he even was accidentally subscribed to
> the weekly Digest of this mailing list, which is of course perfect if you
> like an indigestion. (I get my OSM mailing list overload by the message in
> a
> label+filter subfolder in Gmail to avoid drowning).
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi Marc, 

Good eye, wrote down the same remark in the Hackpad. Something like 
missingmaps.be  that is rooted in the local OSM.be 
 community would be a good asset to refer people to. 
And @Joost, spamming in my regards, are unpersonal messages pushed through 
bots, advertising and generic email messages that have nothing to do with my 
field of work or interests. 
OSM-be has none of those factors in my regards, so it’s not spamming :). 

Kind regards,
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> On 19 Apr 2016, at 09:51, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> Do we have a fixed spot somewhere were we announce new Missing Map
> parties ? The URL of this page should be on a flyer we hand out to
> every visitor. So even when they opt out from your spamming, :-)  they
> can look at that page any time they want.
> I think I missed an opportunity to inform all visitors on how they
> could get informed about similar events.
> 
> Some flyer to hand out (besides the one with the instructions we have
> right now) that has some "What's next ? - How to stay in touch ?"
> content would be nice.
> Could contain links to twitter account, FB page, meetup page, osm.be
> website, mailing list.
> Stuff they could map in their neighborhood, ...
> 
> m.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:55 AM, joost schouppe
>  wrote:
>> Pieter-Jan,
>> I often feel like I'm spamming people, but apparently some of the Gent GIS
>> people felt a bit the same as you: why did I know so late (I did contact
>> Thimo much sooner, and Geertrui came, so some information flow was there).
>> So lesson learned: I'll spam till I drop.
>> 
>> All,
>> I'm putting together a hackpad with things to do when a Mapathon comes up:
>> https://hackpad.com/Mapathon-Metainfo-and-evaluation-mlxQ0GwD8lb
>> Please feel free to contribute.
>> 
>> Unless someone has a better idea, I'm going to put all the e-mails from the
>> last couple events into a Mailchimp thing and send an "hi welcome please
>> unsubscribe if you don't want to know about all the cool things OSM be
>> organizes" first mail.
>> 
>> Yes, we do have a talk-be, but that's just a -little- nerdy for a lot of
>> people. I actually met someone - who shall remain anonymous - who works at
>> the VUB, is an experienced JOSM mapper and DID NOT KNOW the State of the Map
>> was coming to his very campus. And he even was accidentally subscribed to
>> the weekly Digest of this mailing list, which is of course perfect if you
>> like an indigestion. (I get my OSM mailing list overload by the message in a
>> label+filter subfolder in Gmail to avoid drowning).
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Marc Gemis]

Do we have a fixed spot somewhere were we announce new Missing Map
parties ? The URL of this page should be on a flyer we hand out to
every visitor. So even when they opt out from your spamming, :-)  they
can look at that page any time they want.
I think I missed an opportunity to inform all visitors on how they
could get informed about similar events.

Some flyer to hand out (besides the one with the instructions we have
right now) that has some "What's next ? - How to stay in touch ?"
content would be nice.
Could contain links to twitter account, FB page, meetup page, osm.be
website, mailing list.
Stuff they could map in their neighborhood, ...

m.


On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:55 AM, joost schouppe
 wrote:
> Pieter-Jan,
> I often feel like I'm spamming people, but apparently some of the Gent GIS
> people felt a bit the same as you: why did I know so late (I did contact
> Thimo much sooner, and Geertrui came, so some information flow was there).
> So lesson learned: I'll spam till I drop.
>
> All,
> I'm putting together a hackpad with things to do when a Mapathon comes up:
> https://hackpad.com/Mapathon-Metainfo-and-evaluation-mlxQ0GwD8lb
> Please feel free to contribute.
>
> Unless someone has a better idea, I'm going to put all the e-mails from the
> last couple events into a Mailchimp thing and send an "hi welcome please
> unsubscribe if you don't want to know about all the cool things OSM be
> organizes" first mail.
>
> Yes, we do have a talk-be, but that's just a -little- nerdy for a lot of
> people. I actually met someone - who shall remain anonymous - who works at
> the VUB, is an experienced JOSM mapper and DID NOT KNOW the State of the Map
> was coming to his very campus. And he even was accidentally subscribed to
> the weekly Digest of this mailing list, which is of course perfect if you
> like an indigestion. (I get my OSM mailing list overload by the message in a
> label+filter subfolder in Gmail to avoid drowning).
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[joost schouppe]

Pieter-Jan,
I often feel like I'm spamming people, but apparently some of the Gent GIS
people felt a bit the same as you: why did I know so late (I did contact
Thimo much sooner, and Geertrui came, so some information flow was there).
So lesson learned: I'll spam till I drop.

All,
I'm putting together a hackpad with things to do when a Mapathon comes up:
https://hackpad.com/Mapathon-Metainfo-and-evaluation-mlxQ0GwD8lb
Please feel free to contribute.

Unless someone has a better idea, I'm going to put all the e-mails from the
last couple events into a Mailchimp thing and send an "hi welcome please
unsubscribe if you don't want to know about all the cool things OSM be
organizes" first mail.

Yes, we do have a talk-be, but that's just a -little- nerdy for a lot of
people. I actually met someone - who shall remain anonymous - who works at
the VUB, is an experienced JOSM mapper and DID NOT KNOW the State of the
Map was coming to his very campus. And he even was accidentally subscribed
to the weekly Digest of this mailing list, which is of course perfect if
you like an indigestion. (I get my OSM mailing list overload by the message
in a label+filter subfolder in Gmail to avoid drowning).
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Pieter-Jan Pauwels]

Hi guys, just followed up on the conversation. 

I can follow the arguments of Seppe below. Yes, a few media opportunities were 
missed, but still this was a huge achievement for OSM and shouldn’t be 
deminished regarding impact. 
If you look up mapathon on Google (of all places ;)), you end up on OSM. If you 
look at the VTM images you can clearly see Open Street Map on the editor. No 
there hasn’t been a direct mention, but even professional press officers can’t 
control their message completely. 

So it’s good to talk about how things could be better, but I’m sure you’re all 
aware that this was already an amazing campaign. 

Regarding improvements: 
Open Knowledge Belgium can help with promotional stuff like this if you want. 
Giving press-training (press-releasing (text) and press-interviews (video)). 
But also designing and ordering banners, t-shirts, even flyers for that matter. 
And even beyond that, social media training, logistical support… I’m not saying 
we know everything, but if have the in-house experience or know someone, but we 
can see what we can make happen. 

Regarding support I’m partly to blame because I was only aware of this event 
just last week when Joost asked me to write about it on the Open Belgium blog. 
So please feel free to keep Open Knowledge Belgium in the loop so that we can 
see how we can be of service. 

Kind regards,
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> On 19 Apr 2016, at 05:20, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 
> thanks a lot for contacting Belga. Good to hear we now have a contact there.
> Hopefully that person from the university was at the Mapathon and
> learned that we do not use G-stuff. :-)
> 
> m
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:14 PM, joost schouppe
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> So I contacted Belga. The report was only used by Metro and Zondag. They
>> didn't think anyone else would pick up on it, and did not see any use in
>> correcting it in their own database. I did get a personal contact at Belga
>> we can call next time we do something, who promised to listen carefully that
>> time. And they will also contact Metro to ask and change their article a bit
>> (remove the Google Earth mention). I don't think it's a good idea to share
>> the e-mail here, but I can send it to anyone who requests it.
>> 
>> Apparently, they contacted someone from the university who said something
>> along the lines of "tracing on satellite pictures form the same sources
>> available in Google Earth". And they went from there. So yes, a little
>> press-training might be in order to avoid things like that.
>> 
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[Marc Gemis]

thanks a lot for contacting Belga. Good to hear we now have a contact there.
Hopefully that person from the university was at the Mapathon and
learned that we do not use G-stuff. :-)

m

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:14 PM, joost schouppe
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So I contacted Belga. The report was only used by Metro and Zondag. They
> didn't think anyone else would pick up on it, and did not see any use in
> correcting it in their own database. I did get a personal contact at Belga
> we can call next time we do something, who promised to listen carefully that
> time. And they will also contact Metro to ask and change their article a bit
> (remove the Google Earth mention). I don't think it's a good idea to share
> the e-mail here, but I can send it to anyone who requests it.
>
> Apparently, they contacted someone from the university who said something
> along the lines of "tracing on satellite pictures form the same sources
> available in Google Earth". And they went from there. So yes, a little
> press-training might be in order to avoid things like that.
>
> Joost
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[joost schouppe]

Hi,

So I contacted Belga. The report was only used by Metro and Zondag. They
didn't think anyone else would pick up on it, and did not see any use in
correcting it in their own database. I did get a personal contact at Belga
we can call next time we do something, who promised to listen carefully
that time. And they will also contact Metro to ask and change their article
a bit (remove the Google Earth mention). I don't think it's a good idea to
share the e-mail here, but I can send it to anyone who requests it.

Apparently, they contacted someone from the university who said something
along the lines of "tracing on satellite pictures form the same sources
available in Google Earth". And they went from there. So yes, a little
press-training might be in order to avoid things like that.

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[Marc Gemis]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Santens Seppe  wrote:
> ·It might be a good idea to have some promotional material for
> future occasions. I’m thinking: an OSM(.be) banner in the background; flyers
> that explain OSM in a few words and that participants can take home; a way
> to identify the “coaches” (could be t-shirts, name tags,...);...
>
> ·Although the clips on tv do not mention OSM, we should be aware of
> their potential to attract more mappers. Just one idea (I’m sure there could
> be more): I guess the participating universities will be happy to spread a
> short report about Saturday to their students, including links to the clip
> and of course clearly mentioning OSM. This might be a way to reach a lot of
> people.

Very good ideas. I hope Kristien Ooms from UGent will be able to
organise the Missing Maps parties for students that she has in mind.
For the Geography dept. of UGent,  it is interesting as they have
projects in Ethiopia with guest students visiting the university. So
they already have people that can give background information.

m.

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[Santens Seppe]

I think Joost wraps it up nicely.

Some remarks:

·It might be a good idea to have some promotional material for future 
occasions. I’m thinking: an OSM(.be) banner in the background; flyers that 
explain OSM in a few words and that participants can take home; a way to 
identify the “coaches” (could be t-shirts, name tags,...);...

·Although the clips on tv do not mention OSM, we should be aware of 
their potential to attract more mappers. Just one idea (I’m sure there could be 
more): I guess the participating universities will be happy to spread a short 
report about Saturday to their students, including links to the clip and of 
course clearly mentioning OSM. This might be a way to reach a lot of people.

·And last but not least: Marc even managed to make the link from 
missing maps to local mapping in only ten seconds, what an achievement!

All in all, I think it’s fantastic we made it onto radio and television. I now 
even can explain to my mother-in-law why I spent a Saturday behind a computer. 
And I’m sure next time, we will get a few more details right.

Have a nice start of the week,

Seppe


Van: joost schouppe [mailto:joost.schou...@gmail.com]
Verzonden: zondag 17 april 2016 22:45
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Yes, Marc, you did great. I really liked the vrt clip actually.

At the VUB, we knew full well the VTM was coming, but I didn't think for a 
second about how we should shape their message. I did talk to them quite a bit, 
but they didn't ask to interview me. They did interview the professor, and that 
seemed good to me: one of "ours" and one of "theirs" having a prime time 
moment. How on earth they think Google has anything to do with the project - 
you can't imagine how people think, I guess.
Everything I heard sounded good to me at the time though. We had already seen 
the vrt clip, so honestly I was expecting them to do a copy-paste of that clip.

Anyway I don't think any of us expected exposure of this magnitude, so we never 
actually took a minute to think about it. Maybe of some more people would have 
joined the organization, someone would have thought of that :)

The reason VTM does show the Google Earth logo is probably that they have a 
standard setup they use everyday and they know they have to do that. They 
actually added that thing as the image at the tasking manager didn't cover all 
the area being mapped as it was split over three tasks.

As was said here, what has been aired has been aired. But I will send a message 
to Belga - they should do some decent fact checking if everyone else is just 
copy-pasting from them.

Do add links to our work hackpad to any articles you may find. 
https://hackpad.com/Missing-Maps-National-April-16th-6yr1qJEQoqq

All in all a great learning opportunity for all of us I think - also in how we 
fail in reaching people who would potentially absolutely love us. As Jo said 
somewhere, it feels like 30 could have been 80 with more promotion. Then again 
200 mappers is incredible, IMHO.

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[Marc Gemis]

Indeed the room in Ghent would not be able to deal with 80 participants.
We would also need more experienced mappers per location. Almost
anyone on this list would be able to do that. Most asked question: "Is
this a building ?" Or when we would have to map roads "Which type of
road is this?" If you can answer that question while you are mapping
yourself, you can help those newbies.

Due to people coming in throughout the day, it was a bit more work
than usual. A few got stuck with the instructions after setting up
their account. They didn't know how to start the tutorial. (I didn't
check how it is formulated in the text, but maybe we can improve that
section ?)

It seems that there is some interest from the GIS people working for
the government to participate next time. We should contact them next
time (Joost see my PM with the tweet)

I'm also wondering whether Bing would be interested in having the
information from e.g. Belga corrected. After all they do provide the
imagery and it might be some nice publicity for them. Of course, it's
not our job to their PR.

m.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Jo  wrote:
> 200 is indeed incredible and we wouldn't have been able to handle 80 people
> in one location or the corresponding 500 in all 7 locations at the moment.
> We still need to grow into this and this was a great learning experience
> already as it was.
>
> Jo
>
> 2016-04-17 22:43 GMT+02:00 joost schouppe :
>>
>> Yes, Marc, you did great. I really liked the vrt clip actually.
>>
>> At the VUB, we knew full well the VTM was coming, but I didn't think for a
>> second about how we should shape their message. I did talk to them quite a
>> bit, but they didn't ask to interview me. They did interview the professor,
>> and that seemed good to me: one of "ours" and one of "theirs" having a prime
>> time moment. How on earth they think Google has anything to do with the
>> project - you can't imagine how people think, I guess.
>> Everything I heard sounded good to me at the time though. We had already
>> seen the vrt clip, so honestly I was expecting them to do a copy-paste of
>> that clip.
>>
>> Anyway I don't think any of us expected exposure of this magnitude, so we
>> never actually took a minute to think about it. Maybe of some more people
>> would have joined the organization, someone would have thought of that :)
>>
>> The reason VTM does show the Google Earth logo is probably that they have
>> a standard setup they use everyday and they know they have to do that. They
>> actually added that thing as the image at the tasking manager didn't cover
>> all the area being mapped as it was split over three tasks.
>>
>> As was said here, what has been aired has been aired. But I will send a
>> message to Belga - they should do some decent fact checking if everyone else
>> is just copy-pasting from them.
>>
>> Do add links to our work hackpad to any articles you may find.
>> https://hackpad.com/Missing-Maps-National-April-16th-6yr1qJEQoqq
>>
>> All in all a great learning opportunity for all of us I think - also in
>> how we fail in reaching people who would potentially absolutely love us. As
>> Jo said somewhere, it feels like 30 could have been 80 with more promotion.
>> Then again 200 mappers is incredible, IMHO.
>>
>> Joost
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[Jo]

200 is indeed incredible and we wouldn't have been able to handle 80 people
in one location or the corresponding 500 in all 7 locations at the moment.
We still need to grow into this and this was a great learning experience
already as it was.

Jo

2016-04-17 22:43 GMT+02:00 joost schouppe :

> Yes, Marc, you did great. I really liked the vrt clip actually.
>
> At the VUB, we knew full well the VTM was coming, but I didn't think for a
> second about how we should shape their message. I did talk to them quite a
> bit, but they didn't ask to interview me. They did interview the professor,
> and that seemed good to me: one of "ours" and one of "theirs" having a
> prime time moment. How on earth they think Google has anything to do with
> the project - you can't imagine how people think, I guess.
> Everything I heard sounded good to me at the time though. We had already
> seen the vrt clip, so honestly I was expecting them to do a copy-paste of
> that clip.
>
> Anyway I don't think any of us expected exposure of this magnitude, so we
> never actually took a minute to think about it. Maybe of some more people
> would have joined the organization, someone would have thought of that :)
>
> The reason VTM does show the Google Earth logo is probably that they have
> a standard setup they use everyday and they know they have to do that. They
> actually added that thing as the image at the tasking manager didn't cover
> all the area being mapped as it was split over three tasks.
>
> As was said here, what has been aired has been aired. But I will send a
> message to Belga - they should do some decent fact checking if everyone
> else is just copy-pasting from them.
>
> Do add links to our work hackpad to any articles you may find.
> https://hackpad.com/Missing-Maps-National-April-16th-6yr1qJEQoqq
>
> All in all a great learning opportunity for all of us I think - also in
> how we fail in reaching people who would potentially absolutely love us. As
> Jo said somewhere, it feels like 30 could have been 80 with more promotion.
> Then again 200 mappers is incredible, IMHO.
>
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[joost schouppe]

Yes, Marc, you did great. I really liked the vrt clip actually.

At the VUB, we knew full well the VTM was coming, but I didn't think for a
second about how we should shape their message. I did talk to them quite a
bit, but they didn't ask to interview me. They did interview the professor,
and that seemed good to me: one of "ours" and one of "theirs" having a
prime time moment. How on earth they think Google has anything to do with
the project - you can't imagine how people think, I guess.
Everything I heard sounded good to me at the time though. We had already
seen the vrt clip, so honestly I was expecting them to do a copy-paste of
that clip.

Anyway I don't think any of us expected exposure of this magnitude, so we
never actually took a minute to think about it. Maybe of some more people
would have joined the organization, someone would have thought of that :)

The reason VTM does show the Google Earth logo is probably that they have a
standard setup they use everyday and they know they have to do that. They
actually added that thing as the image at the tasking manager didn't cover
all the area being mapped as it was split over three tasks.

As was said here, what has been aired has been aired. But I will send a
message to Belga - they should do some decent fact checking if everyone
else is just copy-pasting from them.

Do add links to our work hackpad to any articles you may find.
https://hackpad.com/Missing-Maps-National-April-16th-6yr1qJEQoqq

All in all a great learning opportunity for all of us I think - also in how
we fail in reaching people who would potentially absolutely love us. As Jo
said somewhere, it feels like 30 could have been 80 with more promotion.
Then again 200 mappers is incredible, IMHO.

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[Guy Vanvuchelen]

Ik heb zaterdag om 1 uur het TV nieuws gehoord en later verschillende berichten 
op Radio 2 en ik ben zeker dat ik minstens één keer openstreetmap heb horen 
noemen. Maar het is zoals bij vele nieuwsberichten en krantenartikels. Alleen 
het artikel en niet de nauwkeurigheid telt
Ik vond het een mooi initiatief en heb vanuit mijn zetel ook een steentje 
bijgedragen.

Guy Vanvuchelen

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Marc Gemis [mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com] 
Verzonden: zondag 17 april 2016 20:09
Aan: Jo Hannes; OpenStreetMap Belgium
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2016-04-17 20:05 GMT+02:00 Jo <winfi...@gmail.com>:
> Maar ik vind dus wel dat je dat heel goed gedaan hebt!
>
> Chapeau!

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2016-04-17 20:05 GMT+02:00 Jo :
> Maar ik vind dus wel dat je dat heel goed gedaan hebt!
>
> Chapeau!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Jo]

't Is wel grappig, één van de bedenkingen die ik had, was: Marc doet daar
een one man show :-)
De andere bedenking was van: amai, content dat ze dat in Gent gaan opnemen
zijn bij zo'ne vlotte prater als Marc! Grappig als je dan achteraf hoort,
dat ze je dat 3x doen herhalen, terwijl er misschien mappers met vragen
blijven zitten.
Nu goed, ik sta al niet heel graag voor een publiek, voor mij dus liever
geen cameraploegen. Anderzijds is het wel belangrijk dat het in de media
komt, ook al is het dan niet altijd zoals we dat het liefste zouden hebben.

Maar ik vind dus wel dat je dat heel goed gedaan hebt!

Chapeau!

Jo

Op 17 april 2016 19:55 schreef Marc Gemis :

> Ik heb helemaal geen media training gehad. :-)  Misschien dat ik er
> dan aan het gedacht OpenStreetMap in elke zin te gebruiken.
>
> Eerst dacht ik dat er een ploeg van de universiteit een promofilmpje
> kwam opnemen, dan dacht ik aan een lokale zender. Pas toen ze bijna
> wegwaren vernam ik dat het om het VRT journaal ging. Wij zijn begonnen
> om 10u, toen waren ze er nog niet denk ik, en om 11u waren ze weg.
>
> Ze liepen een beetje in de weg :-) Ik kon niet altijd naar iemand die
> een vraag had. Als ze me dan bezig hoorden, was het "zeg dat nog eens
> opnieuw", en begonnen ze te filmen. Dan nog eens herhalen terwijl ze
> een ander shot opnamen.
>
> Voorbereiding voor de vraagjes kreeg ik niet, moest er wel opletten om
> geen jargon (bv kaarten maken ipv mappen) te gebruiken. Was behoorlijk
> lastig voor iemand die niet echt een vlotte prater is. Uiteindelijk
> hebben ze slechts 1 van de 4 vragen behouden.
>
> Iets na elven heb ik de camera man nog teruggezien voor een bepaald
> schot van het scherm van de koppel in het filmpje. Dus echt veel tijd
> om er iets van te maken hadden ze niet, maar dat is dagelijkse kost
> voor hen.
>
> m
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
> > Sunday 17 April 2016 19:20:46, Sander Deryckere:
> >> Metro also uses Belga as source, and also mentions Google Earth, though
> >> this article does mention OSM too.
> >>
> >>
> http://nl.metrotime.be/2016/04/16/news/ruim-200-vrijwilligers-brengen-eiland-in-kivu-meer-in-kaart/
> >
> > The article in Metro is verbatim the press release of Belga. (I have
> access to their archives through the university.)
> >
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[Marc Gemis]

Ik heb helemaal geen media training gehad. :-)  Misschien dat ik er
dan aan het gedacht OpenStreetMap in elke zin te gebruiken.

Eerst dacht ik dat er een ploeg van de universiteit een promofilmpje
kwam opnemen, dan dacht ik aan een lokale zender. Pas toen ze bijna
wegwaren vernam ik dat het om het VRT journaal ging. Wij zijn begonnen
om 10u, toen waren ze er nog niet denk ik, en om 11u waren ze weg.

Ze liepen een beetje in de weg :-) Ik kon niet altijd naar iemand die
een vraag had. Als ze me dan bezig hoorden, was het "zeg dat nog eens
opnieuw", en begonnen ze te filmen. Dan nog eens herhalen terwijl ze
een ander shot opnamen.

Voorbereiding voor de vraagjes kreeg ik niet, moest er wel opletten om
geen jargon (bv kaarten maken ipv mappen) te gebruiken. Was behoorlijk
lastig voor iemand die niet echt een vlotte prater is. Uiteindelijk
hebben ze slechts 1 van de 4 vragen behouden.

Iets na elven heb ik de camera man nog teruggezien voor een bepaald
schot van het scherm van de koppel in het filmpje. Dus echt veel tijd
om er iets van te maken hadden ze niet, maar dat is dagelijkse kost
voor hen.

m


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> Sunday 17 April 2016 19:20:46, Sander Deryckere:
>> Metro also uses Belga as source, and also mentions Google Earth, though
>> this article does mention OSM too.
>>
>> http://nl.metrotime.be/2016/04/16/news/ruim-200-vrijwilligers-brengen-eiland-in-kivu-meer-in-kaart/
>
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> to their archives through the university.)
>
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[Sander Deryckere]

Joost,

Would you like to contact Belga in our name and explain that Google doesn't
allow us to use their images?

Regards,
Sander

2016-04-17 19:34 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes :

> Sunday 17 April 2016 19:20:46, Sander Deryckere:
> > Metro also uses Belga as source, and also mentions Google Earth, though
> > this article does mention OSM too.
> >
> >
> http://nl.metrotime.be/2016/04/16/news/ruim-200-vrijwilligers-brengen-eiland-in-kivu-meer-in-kaart/
>
> The article in Metro is verbatim the press release of Belga. (I have
> access to their archives through the university.)
>
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[Sander Deryckere]

Metro also uses Belga as source, and also mentions Google Earth, though
this article does mention OSM too.

http://nl.metrotime.be/2016/04/16/news/ruim-200-vrijwilligers-brengen-eiland-in-kivu-meer-in-kaart/

So it looks like De Zondag abbreviated the message from Belga a bit, and
left out the lesser known name "OSM", in favour of keeping the name Google
Earth.

2016-04-17 18:48 GMT+02:00 Jo :

> Apparently this seems to be an important point to remember when talking to
> the press. Could we write a short general press communiqué stressing these
> important points? No relation whatsoever with anything Google (even
> stressing we can't use their imagery or streetview for the creation of our
> data) seems to be the most important issue.
>
> Apparently journalists seem to think immediately of Google Maps when they
> hear the term Missing Maps.
>
> Jo
>
> 2016-04-17 18:16 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis :
>
>> De Belga text also mentions Google Earth, the universities and Missing
>> Maps. No OpenStreetMap. (see article in De Zondag)
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
>> > Sunday 17 April 2016 18:05:29, Jo:
>> >> Ruben, we're creating a press release:
>> >>
>> >> https://hackpad.com/Press-release-E4GFhbj0rKg#
>> >>
>> >> In the Dutch version I included a way for people who missed the event
>> to
>> >> get involved from home by pointing them to a fresh Swaziland project.
>> If we
>> >> decide to include this, it still needs to be translated back to the
>> French
>> >> version.
>> >>
>> >> Do you think this is a good idea? You can write a mail to VTM, but they
>> >> can't unbroadcast that footage. So maybe we should focus on getting the
>> >> information out correctly where it still is possible. On the one hand
>> it's
>> >> great that we got ad hoc coverage, but there are disadvantages to
>> >> everything.
>> >>
>> >> Jo
>> >
>> > That's better, I'll just keep quiet. They're just trying to do their
>> job. I got a bit too mad when I saw the footage.
>> >
>> > Ruben
>> >
>> >> 2016-04-17 17:56 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes :
>> >>
>> >> > Sunday 17 April 2016 17:47:06, Marc Gemis:
>> >> > > I wished they had labeled me as "OpenStreetMap Vrijwilliger" ipv
>> enkel
>> >> > > "Vrijwilliger". :-/
>> >> >
>> >> > :(
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Ruben Maes 
>> wrote:
>> >> > > > Wow, even on the 1PM "Journaal":
>> >> >
>> http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/2.43814?video=1.2630443
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Technically, they violated OSM's copyright. They showed our maps
>> and
>> >> > didn't say OpenStreetMap once. I was actually hoping to hear Wim De
>> Vilder
>> >> > say "OpenStreetMap" :p
>> >> >
>> >> > VTM went further: they mentioned neither OpenStreetMap nor "missing
>> maps",
>> >> > and showed the tasking manager on Google Earth with attribution
>> (which
>> >> > oddly makes me pretty mad). People don't have a clue that they can
>> help at
>> >> > home.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm going to contact them.
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[Karel Adams]

Ik hoorde in het radionieuws een "mapathon" vernoemen, en het viel me 
daarbij op dat er van openstreetmap geen sprake was. Nu gruwel ik nogal 
van newspeak, dat is een van de redenen dat ik me verre houd van 
"mapathons", maar een beetje objectiviteit wil ik ook ik toch wel zien 
vanwege de media.


Enerzijds zijn er de commerciëlen (kranten, VTM, RTL...), die zullen 
natuurlijk de belangen verdedigen van die andere commercieel, wolven 
eten geen wolven op tenslotte. Dan nog zou een "recht op antwoord" 
nuttig en gepast kunnen zijn.


Nog storender vind ik het gebrek aan objectiviteit op de openbare media 
(VRT, RTBF), die krijgen tenslotte handenvol gemeenschapsgeld maar 
lijken mij meer en meer de commercie achterna te hollen. Alleen weet ik 
niet hoe men deze openbare instellingen op hun onobjectiviteit kan 
aanspreken, tenzij misschien met een parlementaire vraag? Maar dat is 
misschien overkill, voor wat de meeste medeburgers als een fait divers 
zullen beschouwen.


En ja, er zijn niet veel journalisten die én de bekwaamheid én de 
motivatie hebben om een weldoorwrochte brok informatie aan te bieden. 
Vanuit die andere hobby van me weet ik daar alles van (zie bv. 
http://www.airwork.nl/bulletinboard/showthread.php?t=11167 , weliswaar 
nogal op NL toegespitst) Dus inderdaad een aandachtspunt bij contacten 
met de media: de termen waar het op aan komt herhalen, nog eens 
vernoemen en dan nog eens grondig in de verf zetten, totdat die jongens 
en meisjes er echt niet meer omheen kunnen.



On 17-04-16 16:48, Jo wrote:
Apparently this seems to be an important point to remember when 
talking to the press. Could we write a short general press communiqué 
stressing these important points? No relation whatsoever with anything 
Google (even stressing we can't use their imagery or streetview for 
the creation of our data) seems to be the most important issue.


Apparently journalists seem to think immediately of Google Maps when 
they hear the term Missing Maps.


Jo

2016-04-17 18:16 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis >:


De Belga text also mentions Google Earth, the universities and Missing
Maps. No OpenStreetMap. (see article in De Zondag)

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Ruben Maes > wrote:
> Sunday 17 April 2016 18:05:29, Jo:
>> Ruben, we're creating a press release:
>>
>> https://hackpad.com/Press-release-E4GFhbj0rKg#
>>
>> In the Dutch version I included a way for people who missed the
event to
>> get involved from home by pointing them to a fresh Swaziland
project. If we
>> decide to include this, it still needs to be translated back to
the French
>> version.
>>
>> Do you think this is a good idea? You can write a mail to VTM,
but they
>> can't unbroadcast that footage. So maybe we should focus on
getting the
>> information out correctly where it still is possible. On the
one hand it's
>> great that we got ad hoc coverage, but there are disadvantages to
>> everything.
>>
>> Jo
>
> That's better, I'll just keep quiet. They're just trying to do
their job. I got a bit too mad when I saw the footage.
>
> Ruben
>
>> 2016-04-17 17:56 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes >:
>>
>> > Sunday 17 April 2016 17:47:06, Marc Gemis:
>> > > I wished they had labeled me as "OpenStreetMap
Vrijwilliger" ipv enkel
>> > > "Vrijwilliger". :-/
>> >
>> > :(
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Ruben Maes
> wrote:
>> > > > Wow, even on the 1PM "Journaal":
>> >

http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/2.43814?video=1.2630443
>> > > >
>> > > > Technically, they violated OSM's copyright. They showed
our maps and
>> > didn't say OpenStreetMap once. I was actually hoping to hear
Wim De Vilder
>> > say "OpenStreetMap" :p
>> >
>> > VTM went further: they mentioned neither OpenStreetMap nor
"missing maps",
>> > and showed the tasking manager on Google Earth with
attribution (which
>> > oddly makes me pretty mad). People don't have a clue that
they can help at
>> > home.
>> >
>> > I'm going to contact them.
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Apparently this seems to be an important point to remember when talking to
the press. Could we write a short general press communiqué stressing these
important points? No relation whatsoever with anything Google (even
stressing we can't use their imagery or streetview for the creation of our
data) seems to be the most important issue.

Apparently journalists seem to think immediately of Google Maps when they
hear the term Missing Maps.

Jo

2016-04-17 18:16 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis :

> De Belga text also mentions Google Earth, the universities and Missing
> Maps. No OpenStreetMap. (see article in De Zondag)
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
> > Sunday 17 April 2016 18:05:29, Jo:
> >> Ruben, we're creating a press release:
> >>
> >> https://hackpad.com/Press-release-E4GFhbj0rKg#
> >>
> >> In the Dutch version I included a way for people who missed the event to
> >> get involved from home by pointing them to a fresh Swaziland project.
> If we
> >> decide to include this, it still needs to be translated back to the
> French
> >> version.
> >>
> >> Do you think this is a good idea? You can write a mail to VTM, but they
> >> can't unbroadcast that footage. So maybe we should focus on getting the
> >> information out correctly where it still is possible. On the one hand
> it's
> >> great that we got ad hoc coverage, but there are disadvantages to
> >> everything.
> >>
> >> Jo
> >
> > That's better, I'll just keep quiet. They're just trying to do their
> job. I got a bit too mad when I saw the footage.
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> >> 2016-04-17 17:56 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes :
> >>
> >> > Sunday 17 April 2016 17:47:06, Marc Gemis:
> >> > > I wished they had labeled me as "OpenStreetMap Vrijwilliger" ipv
> enkel
> >> > > "Vrijwilliger". :-/
> >> >
> >> > :(
> >> >
> >> > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Ruben Maes 
> wrote:
> >> > > > Wow, even on the 1PM "Journaal":
> >> >
> http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/2.43814?video=1.2630443
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Technically, they violated OSM's copyright. They showed our maps
> and
> >> > didn't say OpenStreetMap once. I was actually hoping to hear Wim De
> Vilder
> >> > say "OpenStreetMap" :p
> >> >
> >> > VTM went further: they mentioned neither OpenStreetMap nor "missing
> maps",
> >> > and showed the tasking manager on Google Earth with attribution (which
> >> > oddly makes me pretty mad). People don't have a clue that they can
> help at
> >> > home.
> >> >
> >> > I'm going to contact them.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Marc Gemis]

De Belga text also mentions Google Earth, the universities and Missing
Maps. No OpenStreetMap. (see article in De Zondag)

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
> Sunday 17 April 2016 18:05:29, Jo:
>> Ruben, we're creating a press release:
>>
>> https://hackpad.com/Press-release-E4GFhbj0rKg#
>>
>> In the Dutch version I included a way for people who missed the event to
>> get involved from home by pointing them to a fresh Swaziland project. If we
>> decide to include this, it still needs to be translated back to the French
>> version.
>>
>> Do you think this is a good idea? You can write a mail to VTM, but they
>> can't unbroadcast that footage. So maybe we should focus on getting the
>> information out correctly where it still is possible. On the one hand it's
>> great that we got ad hoc coverage, but there are disadvantages to
>> everything.
>>
>> Jo
>
> That's better, I'll just keep quiet. They're just trying to do their job. I 
> got a bit too mad when I saw the footage.
>
> Ruben
>
>> 2016-04-17 17:56 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes :
>>
>> > Sunday 17 April 2016 17:47:06, Marc Gemis:
>> > > I wished they had labeled me as "OpenStreetMap Vrijwilliger" ipv enkel
>> > > "Vrijwilliger". :-/
>> >
>> > :(
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
>> > > > Wow, even on the 1PM "Journaal":
>> > http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/2.43814?video=1.2630443
>> > > >
>> > > > Technically, they violated OSM's copyright. They showed our maps and
>> > didn't say OpenStreetMap once. I was actually hoping to hear Wim De Vilder
>> > say "OpenStreetMap" :p
>> >
>> > VTM went further: they mentioned neither OpenStreetMap nor "missing maps",
>> > and showed the tasking manager on Google Earth with attribution (which
>> > oddly makes me pretty mad). People don't have a clue that they can help at
>> > home.
>> >
>> > I'm going to contact them.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

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Sunday 17 April 2016 18:05:29, Jo:
> Ruben, we're creating a press release:
> 
> https://hackpad.com/Press-release-E4GFhbj0rKg#
> 
> In the Dutch version I included a way for people who missed the event to
> get involved from home by pointing them to a fresh Swaziland project. If we
> decide to include this, it still needs to be translated back to the French
> version.
> 
> Do you think this is a good idea? You can write a mail to VTM, but they
> can't unbroadcast that footage. So maybe we should focus on getting the
> information out correctly where it still is possible. On the one hand it's
> great that we got ad hoc coverage, but there are disadvantages to
> everything.
> 
> Jo

That's better, I'll just keep quiet. They're just trying to do their job. I got 
a bit too mad when I saw the footage.

Ruben
 
> 2016-04-17 17:56 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes :
> 
> > Sunday 17 April 2016 17:47:06, Marc Gemis:
> > > I wished they had labeled me as "OpenStreetMap Vrijwilliger" ipv enkel
> > > "Vrijwilliger". :-/
> >
> > :(
> >
> > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
> > > > Wow, even on the 1PM "Journaal":
> > http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/2.43814?video=1.2630443
> > > >
> > > > Technically, they violated OSM's copyright. They showed our maps and
> > didn't say OpenStreetMap once. I was actually hoping to hear Wim De Vilder
> > say "OpenStreetMap" :p
> >
> > VTM went further: they mentioned neither OpenStreetMap nor "missing maps",
> > and showed the tasking manager on Google Earth with attribution (which
> > oddly makes me pretty mad). People don't have a clue that they can help at
> > home.
> >
> > I'm going to contact them.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Jo]

Ruben, we're creating a press release:

https://hackpad.com/Press-release-E4GFhbj0rKg#

In the Dutch version I included a way for people who missed the event to
get involved from home by pointing them to a fresh Swaziland project. If we
decide to include this, it still needs to be translated back to the French
version.

Do you think this is a good idea? You can write a mail to VTM, but they
can't unbroadcast that footage. So maybe we should focus on getting the
information out correctly where it still is possible. On the one hand it's
great that we got ad hoc coverage, but there are disadvantages to
everything.

Jo

2016-04-17 17:56 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes :

> Sunday 17 April 2016 17:47:06, Marc Gemis:
> > I wished they had labeled me as "OpenStreetMap Vrijwilliger" ipv enkel
> > "Vrijwilliger". :-/
>
> :(
>
> > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
> > > Wow, even on the 1PM "Journaal":
> http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/2.43814?video=1.2630443
> > >
> > > Technically, they violated OSM's copyright. They showed our maps and
> didn't say OpenStreetMap once. I was actually hoping to hear Wim De Vilder
> say "OpenStreetMap" :p
>
> VTM went further: they mentioned neither OpenStreetMap nor "missing maps",
> and showed the tasking manager on Google Earth with attribution (which
> oddly makes me pretty mad). People don't have a clue that they can help at
> home.
>
> I'm going to contact them.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

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Sunday 17 April 2016 17:47:06, Marc Gemis:
> I wished they had labeled me as "OpenStreetMap Vrijwilliger" ipv enkel
> "Vrijwilliger". :-/

:(

> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
> > Wow, even on the 1PM "Journaal": 
> > http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/2.43814?video=1.2630443
> >
> > Technically, they violated OSM's copyright. They showed our maps and didn't 
> > say OpenStreetMap once. I was actually hoping to hear Wim De Vilder say 
> > "OpenStreetMap" :p

VTM went further: they mentioned neither OpenStreetMap nor "missing maps", and 
showed the tasking manager on Google Earth with attribution (which oddly makes 
me pretty mad). People don't have a clue that they can help at home.

I'm going to contact them.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Marc Gemis]

I wished they had labeled me as "OpenStreetMap Vrijwilliger" ipv enkel
"Vrijwilliger". :-/

m


On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Ruben Maes  wrote:
> Saturday 16 April 2016 23:22:01, Marc Gemis:
>> I wrote a short diary about my day in Ghent during the MissingMaps National.
>> Joost already added a comment some additional numbers on this very
>> successful day
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/escada/diary/38461
>
> Wow, even on the 1PM "Journaal": 
> http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/2.43814?video=1.2630443
>
> Technically, they violated OSM's copyright. They showed our maps and didn't 
> say OpenStreetMap once. I was actually hoping to hear Wim De Vilder say 
> "OpenStreetMap" :p
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Marc Gemis]

I always started  showing how to change stuff in Belgium. Someone
corrected a street name in his neighborhood. I also had some
discussions with (doctoral?) students about "projects" in Belgium.

Kristien Ooms of UGent is probably going to organise mapping parties
for her students. She is going to contact Pete about projects in
Ethiopia, as they already have some contact there (doctoral students)
en projects.

m.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 8:58 AM, joost schouppe
 wrote:
> Yannick gave one of the participants a thorough JOSM introduction, she
> really got it. And there was a group of three people who at the end of the
> event started looking at their own neighborhood. I helped Daan map a
> Buddhist temple in Lede :)
>
> Op 17-apr.-2016 01:14 schreef "Marc Gemis" :
>>
>> I wrote a short diary about my day in Ghent during the MissingMaps
>> National.
>> Joost already added a comment some additional numbers on this very
>> successful day
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/escada/diary/38461
>>
>> regards
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

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Saturday 16 April 2016 23:22:01, Marc Gemis:
> I wrote a short diary about my day in Ghent during the MissingMaps National.
> Joost already added a comment some additional numbers on this very
> successful day
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/escada/diary/38461

Wow, even on the 1PM "Journaal": 
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/2.43814?video=1.2630443

Technically, they violated OSM's copyright. They showed our maps and didn't say 
OpenStreetMap once. I was actually hoping to hear Wim De Vilder say 
"OpenStreetMap" :p

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Yannick gave one of the participants a thorough JOSM introduction, she
really got it. And there was a group of three people who at the end of the
event started looking at their own neighborhood. I helped Daan map a
Buddhist temple in Lede :)
Op 17-apr.-2016 01:14 schreef "Marc Gemis" :

> I wrote a short diary about my day in Ghent during the MissingMaps
> National.
> Joost already added a comment some additional numbers on this very
> successful day
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/escada/diary/38461
>
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