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I certainly hope I'm not doing the Toronto import alone :-) Sorry if I didn't report back to this list - I had suggested on the OSM Canada Toronto Slack channel that we seemed to be ready to start a soft launch of the import to see if we found any major problems etc. So far, I haven't heard

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Well, looking at the Squamish import, I just found out that I imported everything using my standard account, not my import account :-( The problem is that many years ago I configured JOSM to use OAuth-based authentication and did not change it. I thought that the task manager was going to use

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

Hi all, I just completed the task #173 (Squamish - Building Import) benchmark. The import procedure seems OK. So I think anyone interested in completing the import for other areas is welcome, as long as the procedure is respected. Regarding the Squamish area, the presence of numerous GPS tracks

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Lol Sent from Galaxy S7 From: Tim Elrick Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 6:49:48 PM To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Hi Daniel, I agree with you. I didn't pay attention to the fact

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Hi Daniel, I agree with you. I didn't pay attention to the fact that Squamish is located in a hilly area. Greetings from Quebec's flatlands, Tim On 2020-03-22 14:16, Daniel @jfd553 wrote: Hi all, sorry for this long Email. Thanks to Tim to have comment! He wrote: “I [...] found that you can

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Hi all, sorry for this long Email. Thanks to Tim to have comment! He wrote: “I [...] found that you can either align the hospital with the underlying imagery or the houses to the right of the task, but not both at the same time. [...] If we assume that the aerial imagery data is the correctly

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-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Hi Daniel, I had a brief look at project #173, task #20 and found that you can either align the hospital with the underlying imagery or the houses to the right of the task, but not both at the same time (Bing and ESRI bear the same effect). This might have to do

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

Hi Daniel, I had a brief look at project #173, task #20 and found that you can either align the hospital with the underlying imagery or the houses to the right of the task, but not both at the same time (Bing and ESRI bear the same effect). This might have to do with different

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Hi, I completed more than a dozen tiles of the task #173 (Squamish). That would be interesting if some of you could validate what I did so far, in order to adjust the procedure if required. Thanks. Daniel ___ Talk-ca mailing list

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The Squamish buildings are not as accurate as expected. It seems that they were acquired through automatic image interpretation, with little validation. I found many buildings with the roof correctly mapped, but one of the building faces (visible on the imagery) was added as a roof component.

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the procedure. Daniel From: James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 09, 2020 20:13 To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Ok so I have some bad news, the data.osmcanada.ca<http://data.osmcanada.ca> server that was being

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Cool, thanks! Sent from Galaxy S7 From: James Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 1:56:16 PM To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Project #173. I've set you as an experienced mapper and you should be able

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cument the procedure in the wiki. > > > > Daniel > > > > *From:* James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:38 > *To:* Daniel @jfd553 > *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada > > > &g

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[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Canada_-_The_Open_Database_of_Buildings From: James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com<mailto:james2...@gmail.com>] Sent: Monday, March 09, 2020 20:13 To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Talk

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[1] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Canada_-_The_Open_Database_of_Buildings > > > > > > *From:* James [mailto:james2...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2020 20:13 > *To:* Daniel @jfd553 > *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importi

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...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 09, 2020 20:13 To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Ok so I have some bad news, the data.osmcanada.ca<http://data.osmcanada.ca> server that was being hosted by a friend on AWS was shutdown and wi

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Ok so I have some bad news, the data.osmcanada.ca server that was being hosted by a friend on AWS was shutdown and wiped. I will need to get time to get things setup on another server to host the microinstance: https://github.com/osmottawa/micro-data-service On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 7:00 PM Daniel

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Hi all, I was able to split Squamish into Quadtree tiles with a maximum of 200 buildings each. James is now looking into whether/how this could be implemented in the task manager. If no one else is volunteering to be the local import manager this week, I will do the work and contact Squamish's

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In some cases, the aspect ratio is 1:5, creating long vertical tiles (tasks), or I may miss something :-) Sent from Galaxy S7 From: Clifford Snow Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 5:36:19 PM To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca

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if you have data and the extents I can setup tasks(send them to me somehow) On Sat., Feb. 15, 2020, 5:07 p.m. Daniel @jfd553, wrote: > Bonjour groupe, > > I should soon be able to feed the task manager with tiles containing no > more than 200 buildings each. > > > > I will be using a Quadtree

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I've done a number of building imports using no square shapes with no problem. JOSM is set to open up new tasks in a separate layer which avoid the problem of having task loading next the the just closed task. (I'm doing the imports in the US using voting districts. Each district typically has

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Bonjour groupe, I should soon be able to feed the task manager with tiles containing no more than 200 buildings each. I will be using a Quadtree algorithm similar to what was used to split Canvec map sheets. The problem is that the algorithm creates tiles that keep the aspect ratio of the data

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We should start somewhere so yes it would be fun. Thanks John On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 3:15 PM Daniel @jfd553, wrote: > Bonjour groupe, > > The pre-processing procedure has been tested for the Squamish (BC) area. > Squamish has a small number of buildings (6K) with a good Esri World > imagery

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Bonjour groupe, The pre-processing procedure has been tested for the Squamish (BC) area. Squamish has a small number of buildings (6K) with a good Esri World imagery which need to be aligned with ODB data. A large number of ODB buildings show an inaccurate delineation (shaky drawing with too

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Bonjour groupe! Well, I think we are having a good discussion and are moving towards an import procedure with which everyone will be comfortable. First, I have modified the wiki to reflect our latest discussion [1-3]. The import procedure seems to fit with current discussion. Please, have a

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Sounds very reasonable to me. Thanks John On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 20:02, Nate Wessel wrote: > In short, yes. But we should give them a clear option and a clear path > toward doing it either way - written procedures, provide preprocessing > scripts/help, etc. > > Best, > > Nate Wessel, PhD >

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In short, yes. But we should give them a clear option and a clear path toward doing it either way - written procedures, provide preprocessing scripts/help, etc. Best, Nate Wessel, PhD Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd NateWessel.com On 2020-01-18 7:37 p.m.,

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> But also - sorry this is such a long email - we certainly should not be manually doing re-conflation where buildings are very dense (e.g. downtown Toronto) or where they have already been imported extensively (much of the rest of the GTA). The import plan I'm working on for Toronto will take

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

Hi all, Daniel, thanks for continuing to prod the conversation along :-) I guess the point of disagreement here is that I generally don't agree that the ODB buildings are of higher quality than what's already in OSM. The ODB data I've seen is quite messy, and IMO only marginally better than

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Bonjour groupe, Here is a sequential summary of the last exchanges. I inserted some comments […] within these exchanges description and summarize what I understand from it at the end. Nate asked not to confuse the process of importing new data with that of updating/modifying existing OSM data

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Pierre looking at the Microsoft imports south of the border and their process is undoubtedly sensible. I suggest waiting until we have got some movement on the current import rather than try to tackle to many things at once. Cheerio John On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 1:47 PM Pierre Béland, wrote: >

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John, Exprime tu simplement une opinion, ou as-tu vérifié les procédures d'import incluant correction des données et validé la qualité des données importées aux États-Unis ? Considères-tu la qualité des données dans la base OSM aux États-Unis comparable à ce qui s'est fait au Canada l'an

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> As stated before, I don't consider the Microsoft dataset being close to the minimum quality requirements I would expect from any automated building entry into OSM. Well yes that is one opinion but we do have a range of opinions in OpenStreetMap and from the number of buildings that have already

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Hi John, As stated before, I don't consider the Microsoft dataset being close to the minimum quality requirements I would expect from any automated building entry into OSM. If you just want to display buildings, you can download the MS dataset and use it right away - no need to import into

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>first, to add missing buildings (if it were just for this purpose we could also use the much bigger Microsoft dataset) I can't resist. Does this infer that for parts of the country without Stat Can data we are happy to import Microsoft dataset buildings as is? Or would we wish to wait until we

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I could set the task up to be seen only by validators+ which I then can sst individual users as validators On Thu., Jan. 16, 2020, 10:10 p.m. Tim Elrick, wrote: > I would assume in most cases the imported building footprint will be > more precise than existing data. For me, this would be a

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I would assume in most cases the imported building footprint will be more precise than existing data. For me, this would be a reason to replace already existing objects. However, I think this is a case by case decision. However, I think it is important to keep tags and history of buildings

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the above wiki page, in "Get local buy-in before importing" section. Daniel -Original Message- From: Tim Elrick [mailto:o...@elrick.de] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 17:19 To: Daniel @jfd553; john whelan Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing b

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-ca [mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 15:12 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Hi all, *a) data hosting* I can offer to host pre-processed data for the building imports as well. *b) task manager work units* I find

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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Hi all, *a) data hosting* I can offer to host pre-processed data for the building imports as well. *b) task manager work units* I find smaller tasks about 20 minutes each more appealing than 1 hour tasks *c) checking already existing data

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for contacting the local mappers. Daniel -Original Message- From: Tim Elrick via Talk-ca [mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 15:12 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Hi all, *a) data hosting* I can offer to host

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Hi all, *a) data hosting* I can offer to host pre-processed data for the building imports as well. *b) task manager work units* I find smaller tasks about 20 minutes each more appealing than 1 hour tasks *c) checking already existing data* An added tag would certainly help as you can apply a

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Updates about the ODB import proposal Documentation: All the content regarding the current import has been moved to the Open Database of Building (ODB) wiki page [1]. The purpose of the page is now twofold. Provide a detailed procedure on how to import the data and to keep an inventory of what

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Okey dokey :-) Here is a short wrap-up about current discussion and questions raised so far, with some answers given from my perspective. First a few definitions… Municipality: Data_prov attribute in ODB data. It is the name of the municipality, region, or province/territory that provided the

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not become tedious or complex, I have no objections. Daniel From: Nate Wessel [mailto:bike...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 12:30 To: Pierre Béland; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Yeah, there are issues with the Toronto Simplification

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ction so far :-) >> >> I agree with Nate regarding the implementation of the task manager. In my >> experience, a size of a few blocks would be better in urban areas, but >> boring in rural areas. Is it something that can be adjusted? >> >> >> >> Danie

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p.org <mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Hi Daniel, Thank you for all the work you've put into this. I'd like to offer a couple suggestions and/or clarifications for your proposed import process, overview though it is.

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Yeah, there are issues with the Toronto Simplification tasks ... I was tempted to orient the task grid more to the actual streets by rotating everything ~17 degrees. The problem with that is that when downloading the task data by bounding box (i.e. a new unrotated bounding box) you end up

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urban areas, but > boring in rural areas. Is it something that can be adjusted? > > > > Daniel > > > > *From:* Nate Wessel [mailto:bike...@gmail.com ] > *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2020 10:09 > *To:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildin

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Cool, thanks! Sent from Galaxy S7 From: Nate Wessel Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:40:10 AM To: Daniel @jfd553 ; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada The task size, and even shape is totally customizable. I've set

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Bonjour Nate, Cette approche avec taille et forme variable des tâches est intéressante pour contrôler le nombre de bâtiments à valider.  Pour éviter les conflits d'édition, est-t-il possible de s'assurer qu'un bâtiment se retrouvera dans une seule tâche ?  Si des bâtiments se retrouvent sur

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boring in rural areas. Is it something that can be adjusted? Daniel *From:*Nate Wessel [mailto:bike...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2020 10:09 *To:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Hi Daniel, Thank you for all the work you'

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Daniel addressed this if you reread his email and proposal. Basically we look for local mappers first. If we don't find any we increase the distance for local. At the moment we are discussing the stats can sourced data. My feeling is let's get this import moving once more and to do that let's

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

Hello all, Happy to see progress here. My ongoing question is how to define that a "local" group has determined that an import can proceed.   And more specifically what is "local"? There are rural and remote parts of Canada which have in the order of zero active mappers or sense of a local

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nuary 04, 2020 10:09 > *To:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada > > > > Hi Daniel, > > Thank you for all the work you've put into this. I'd like to offer a > couple suggestions and/or clarifications for your proposed

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: Nate Wessel [mailto:bike...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2020 10:09 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Hi Daniel, Thank you for all the work you've put into this. I'd like to offer a couple suggestions and/or clarifications for your proposed

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Hi Daniel, Thank you for all the work you've put into this. I'd like to offer a couple suggestions and/or clarifications for your proposed import process, overview though it is. First, I think it is very important that a tasking manager is set up on a city/by city basis only, and that only

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Thank you, Daniel, for advancing on the import! I agree with most of what you said below (I will reply to some details on the wiki page). I also agree to separate the different sources as I have great reservations about using Microsoft's building footprints for an import into OSM (the

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at another time? -) > > > > Thanks > > Daniel > > *From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, January 03, 2020 15:57 > *To:* Daniel @jfd553 > *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada > > > > So

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, January 03, 2020 15:57 To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Sounds sane to me. Are we thinking of setting up a second import to handle Microsoft building outlines on a similar basis? Or extending this one? I only ask since if we

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To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Sounds sane to me. Are we thinking of setting up a second import to handle Microsoft building outlines on a similar basis? Or extending this one? I only ask since if we are doing it municipality

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Sounds sane to me. Are we thinking of setting up a second import to handle Microsoft building outlines on a similar basis? Or extending this one? I only ask since if we are doing it municipality by municipality it might be an idea to identify those municipalities that do not have suitable open

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

Bonjour groupe, mes excuses pour ce très long courriel !-) I have reviewed everything that has been written on the ODB import (aka Canada Building Import) in Talk-ca and the wiki. I proposed changes to some wiki pages (via talk tabs) to ease the discussions about this import and the following.

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gt;> Sent from Galaxy S7 >> >> -- >> *From:* John Whelan >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:50:29 PM >> *To:* James >> *Cc:* Daniel @jfd553 ; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap < >> talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> >> *Subject:* R

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John Whelan > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:50:29 PM > *To:* James > *Cc:* Daniel @jfd553 ; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap < > talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada > > I think the first problem to be addressed i

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I'll get back to you in a couple of days:-) Sent from Galaxy S7 From: John Whelan Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 6:21:06 PM To: Daniel @jfd553 Cc: James ; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada So an approach would

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@jfd553 ; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada I think the first problem to be addressed is the presence or absence of a local community. In the north we have few mappers but lots of interested agencies and people in seeing the buildings imported

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Have a look at the wiki page I referred to. Further discussions will be more easy and focused Sent from Galaxy S7 From: John Whelan Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:50:29 PM To: James Cc: Daniel @jfd553 ; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca

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I think the first problem to be addressed is the presence or absence of a local community. In the north we have few mappers but lots of interested agencies and people in seeing the buildings imported. Montreal I think is under control.  Toronto is in the process of sorting itself out but

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Hi Daniel, Thanks for taking the time to put together these detailed observations on the data. It seems like it could be a useful guide, though I have some questions about how you came to these measurements and what they mean. I'll leave those clarifying questions for the talk page however.

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wasn't there talk about this before and someone blocked it because of non-square buildings and the resulting discussion was that each community was going to decide if they want to import or not? On Tue., Dec. 24, 2019, 1:26 p.m. Daniel @jfd553, wrote: > Hi Group! > > I am currently working on a

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Hi Group! I am currently working on a proposal which, I hope, will bring consensus among the community and relaunch the import of ODB footprints (StatCan). The proposal should be ready in a few weeks, or sooner. In the meantime, I suggest to all those who are interested to take note of the

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ound level info. > > > > I would be interested in further understanding how we can become involved > on a regional level to improve OSM in southern Ontario. > > > > > > [image: EricGeiler-1] > > > > *From:* Nate Wessel > *Sent:* Friday, September 27

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Good Morning, I’m eager to become a regular participant and contributor. [EricGeiler-1] From: John Whelan Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:31 AM To: Nate Wessel Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada I'm glad to see Toronto getting involved once

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involved on a regional level to improve OSM in southern Ontario. [EricGeiler-1] From: Nate Wessel Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 12:03 PM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada John, You are once again purposely mischaracterizing my position

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I'm glad to see Toronto getting involved once more. The original idea for using Open Data to import buildings followed on from a group of Toronto mappers who imported address information for a new sub division that was not available in CANVEC from Stats Canada after very carefully checking

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Hi Steve, Thanks for posting the event! I just RSVPed. I think a separate import event would probably be helpful - somewhere with wifi and outlets for laptops, probably not a bar. Perhaps we can book a meeting room at a public library or something? I can poll some of the more active local

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Nate Wessel wrote: I for one would be happy to support a local effort to import high quality buildings in Toronto and/or the GTA. I think if we can actually meet up face to face our discussions may remain a bit more civil and productive. Hopefully consensus will be a bit

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And several years later, here we are. I'm glad to see such a "new arrival" at a place where good data can meet a good crowdsourced mapping database, and furthermore, I wish the project all good luck. SteveA California ___ Talk-ca mailing list

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My suggestion would be to amend and clean up the original import plan to split out the country into regions and have a regional coordinator for each region based on local input.  I'd also add in the two other data sources as alternative data sources. The reason for this approach is an amended

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And I totally agree.  Because the Stat Can data has come from many sources the data quality is variable to put it politely.  The Microsoft data has been shown in the US to also be of variable quality.  I'm not so sure about the NR Can LiDAR data hopefully it is at least consistent. If we look

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I for one would be happy to support a local effort to import high quality buildings in Toronto and/or the GTA. I think if we can actually meet up face to face our discussions may remain a bit more civil and productive. Hopefully consensus will be a bit easier to achieve with smaller groups

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Hi all, To be a bit more positive: If we want to get buildings on the map, but we can't get Canada-wide data improved by Statcan to a standard acceptable to all mappers in Canada, IMO the best bet will be to split this into much smaller batches and support local mappers who would be interested

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Je comprends que c'est la saison des tomates. Mais essayons de les utiliser pour nos conserves et non comme argument pour convaincre les autres contributeurs !  ;) Comme les autres l'ont exprimé, c'est à ceux qui proposent de faire des imports de bien documenter le processus, non l'inverse. Et

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On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 11:45, john whelan wrote: > ... > About that time an American mapper, Nate, who was living in Toronto ... Sorry, one more thing. Nate was an active editor in Toronto at the time of the initial import conflict/objection and has remained so as regularly as we can ask of any

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Both your input and Nate's are useful in that at least they confirm my thoughts that there is little chance of moving forward on a Canada wide basis. Hopefully the Toronto mappers can sort something out for Toronto and the rest will follow in time. As a Toronto mapper, I'm happy to load

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On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 20:43, John Whelan wrote: > The Stat Can data comes directly from the municipalities so each municipality > will have a different quality of data. The Microsoft and NR Can data maybe > more consistent. Statcan could improve the data and make it more consistent. On this

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The Stat Can data comes directly from the municipalities so each municipality will have a different quality of data.  The Microsoft and NR Can data maybe more consistent. Both your input and Nate's are useful in that at least they confirm my thoughts that there is little chance of moving

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On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 11:45, john whelan wrote: > I do know that a number of departments and agencies would like to use > buildings and although they can use the open data sources using OSM would be > more convenient. Then you can encourage these agencies to urge Statcan to improve the

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I'll try to sum up my understanding. Currently your view is the existing import plan for Canada building imports does not meet the import guidelines and cannot be amended to meet them.  I was hoping that something might have happened in the last six months on the preprocessing of data side

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John, You are once again purposely mischaracterizing my position on this and I do not appreciate it one bit. Your import did not follow the import guidelines and was not approved by the broader community. It was not sent out to the mailing list, it was barely documented, it was not posted on

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Elrick [mailto:o...@elrick.de] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 13:30 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org; Begin Daniel; Pierre Béland Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Bonjour Daniel, C'est une bonne nouvelle ! Pierre et moi avons déjà commencé à en parler dans des messages privés, et

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...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 15:13 To: Tim Elrick; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org; Begin Daniel; Pierre Béland Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Bonjour Tim, Je ne sais pas si Pierre souhaite fusionner les approches, mais il démontre un intérêt à programmer. Pour ma part

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[mailto:o...@elrick.de] Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 13:30 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org; Begin Daniel; Pierre Béland Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada Bonjour Daniel, C'est une bonne nouvelle ! Pierre et moi avons déjà commencé à en parler dans des messages privés, et Pierre y

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

Bonjour à tous Je suis à tester les fonctionnalités Topologie de PostGIS qui tient compte des relations entre les différents polygones.  Cela est prometteur  et je pense aussi arriver à une solution très bientôt. Les fonctions PostGIS et la documentation sont disponibles à

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

Bonjour Daniel, C'est une bonne nouvelle ! Pierre et moi avons déjà commencé à en parler dans des messages privés, et Pierre y a déjà beaucoup réfléchi - en partie d'un ancien projet, si je comprends bien. Il a également déjà publié ses approches précédentes sur github il y a quelques jours.

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

The sources of the data are different in different regions, as well as the existing communities. A Canada-wide process won't work when each import is going to vary.On Apr 27, 2019 1:40 PM, john whelan wrote:We now have three sources of data with the correct licensing.I'm proposing that I amend

Re: [Talk-ca] Importing buildings in Canada

Based on previous comments I improved the application and everything seems right now. I’ll start publishing results/documentation in following days ☺ We may then start developing an “open source” version of the application. Daniel From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday,