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which prevented any recovery vehicle
accessing from that end and any chance of pulling it out that way
anyway. It had to be pulled back and exit the way it came in. Whether
lorries of this size should even be on these roads is another matter :)
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question is just why
the kerb to the footpath and the cycleway had to be moved at all? It no
longer lines up with the next section anyway.
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One does wonder about the competence of builders at times?
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them ... even where land registry records show a
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On 20/07/2020 22:11, Rob Nickerson wrote:
If there are no red flags I will move for a vote.
Looks sensible to me but will there be a matching usrn tag?
I see the occasional use of :gb: on other tags and any 'convention' on
upper or lower case is possibly an international one
anything actually says the country code being upper case trumps the
convention of tags being lower case? I'm a long time PHP user where the
case is agnostic anyway in many cases but again that is not specified
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accurate data.
On 10/07/2020 14:21, Lester Caine wrote:
On 10/07/2020 11:27, Mark Goodge wrote:
This is, of course, one of the problems with proprietary data. It can
be difficult to spot errors, because the people who are most likely
to spot errors - members of the gene
of raw data. I don't think THAT has changed since the
requirements for councils to provided the raw NPLG data passed into law?
I'm fairly sure the street data is part of the same legal framework ...
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On Sat, 2020-07-04 at 22:24 +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
What is needed is a means of adding LAYERS of data which can be
managed either via third party data sets, or manual edited using
existing tools to add data that is missing from the narrow view
confined
On 04/07/2020 20:33, David Woolley wrote:
On 04/07/2020 18:24, Lester Caine wrote:
The current 'OHM' is not a layer that can be easily combined with the
current 'OSM' layer. Large sections of the current data are simply
cloned into OHM
I'm not referring to OHM; I'm referring to the main OSM
with
the 'master' copy.
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what is available against the now
somewhat out of data local extracts I have from the original NLPG dataset.
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faster updates are now happening at
least as new road names are created.
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receiving datasets this was a
secondary piece of data yet at that time we were looking to manage the
postcode tables for the councils that were providing the UPRN feed! They
were not prepared to pay Royal Mail for data that they were legally
required to create themselves ...
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the UPRN allows is the addition of
external information which is also managed by public services.
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processing the location information, but being able to simply list all
of them WITHOUT the overhead of other processing has to be the right way
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hange most of the references but
https://rainbowdigitalmedia.uk/wiki/view/NLPG+Data
is now up to date, just again, BS7666 is another chargeable element and
my copy is no longer available on-line :(
OH and it should be UPRN/USRN nowadays ... my 2006 databases still have
the USN field name.
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o identify that this short form is actually correct, but
your council tax or business rates will be charged against the UPRN
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other than a 'machine readable' unique refference ...
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common country based tag for 'Property Reference' and 'Street Reference'
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problem, although the wiki site which carried all of the reported errors
has now been taken down by Facebook :(
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calm traffic and provide direct rules for routing?
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looking up on OASAnd and not finding which I need
to actually put in!
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bers ... but
they are a key part of vehicle routing.
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to 'tertiary'
should apply where a route IS more access route than primary link
between to 'higher classification' routes.
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fairly sure that weight limit signs are always in tonnes and have a
't' after the weight figure. The regulations certainly refer to 7.5
tonnes as a base for weight restriction for structural reasons and
vehicle plated limits are in tonnes.
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use OS material, but the developers drawings don't
and in most cases even OS don't have the new roads and other details so
permission to use is all that IS needed.
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On 28/01/2019 18:24, Will Phillips wrote:
On 28/01/2019 17:28, Lester Caine wrote:
The reality is that for the UK ALL we need is the Postcode to supply a
reference to the Royal Mail 'postal address' as that is purely a Royal
Mail invention anyway. I personally don't see the need to add
r:street' everywhere but that is what people seem to prefer. Adding
several more addr: fields to EVERY building is just taking things too far?
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, but where we have a block of houses being able
to quickly draw an outline and then create several objects with the same
set of tags is easier than trying to manually create each linked element
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my book. The other metro lines are similarly owned and
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On 17/11/2018 14:46, David Woolley wrote:
On 17/11/18 14:36, Lester Caine wrote:
Who operates the station, and who operates on each line accessing that
station. The various ID's would help keep this data up to date.
You need to distinguish between operating the line and operating
services
covers all the options. Who operates the station, and who
operates on each line accessing that station. The various ID's would
help keep this data up to date.
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that stations like Ormskirk would have that problem ;)
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off OSM ... and will until all that data is available in OHM ...
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ng the new
version, but the old version is still valid data and needs to be handled
better than it is currently. If the process is managed properly then
adding additional historic data should not be a problem since the vast
majority of that data will simply be a 'start_date' for objects that A
On 29/08/18 21:21, Jubal Harpster wrote:
Stadium Mews
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/260127900
https://goo.gl/maps/JJNxamCgLy12
_https://binged.it/2C0LAw1_
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On 08/08/18 17:03, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
I think these things are at least partly a product of what generation
you belong to.
I think one can include 'Middlesex' in that package? Just when will it
cease to exist ;)
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not difficult for a computer to manage and if people have the desire to
start filling in all the gaps then they should be supported, not told to
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displayed, but one still use them to avoid several miles of 'detour' via
primary roads because the sat nav does no accept them as a 'fast route'.
OSMAnd is a sod for that problem :(
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On 08/08/18 10:56, Dave F wrote:
On 08/08/2018 09:54, Lester Caine wrote:
we are now in a situation where much accurately mapped material is
simply dumped when there is a change to the current situation.
1. it's not dumped, it's still in the database as a historic version.
2. Changes almost
' and
add a new section with the boundary change as 'start_date=xxx'. The ONLY
question is what happens to the data once it has an end date ... which
may be some time in the future ...
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that this should be on a UK specific map rather than something dumbed
down for the whole world ...
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way and we just need to add
the USRN reference to each way in the UK
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=secondary'
references can suffer from the same problem of not actually being
displayed on the ground. So how the renderers handle this element is a
world wide problem, and perhaps 'display_ref=no' would be appropriate in
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it to display 60 or 70 as
appropriate :( And I WILL get around to adding a UK rendering of road
colours sometime ...
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tagged using some 'hide' tag? 'ref' is the correct tag for the way's
reference number ...
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change to 'shop-closed' but I don't
see much movement on signage being taken down on other closed
businesses? So we maintain the accurate mapping ... and map what is seen.
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On 04/05/18 14:41, Steve Doerr wrote:
On 04/05/2018 12:52, Lester Caine wrote:
it's not helped when postoffice.co.uk don't list the independent post
offices in there search results! According to them Broadway does not
have a post office ;)
It comes up for me at Russell Square, Back Lane
Broadway does not have a post office ;)
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On 09/03/18 20:19, Philip Barnes wrote:
Leicester Forest East looks a bit confused, it is down to both modify a
Shell node and to add a BP node. It can't be both.
I will try to check what brand it really is.
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so similar to 'Flat 1 Block of
Flats' ' Street' but this still leaves the 'addr:street' or
'postal_code' question for the tag on the primary street. Having SOME of
these tagged 'addr:parentstreet' is simply wrong ...
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areas ... I've even got all 4 screens running cleanly for the first time
in years so I can keep multiple views open while cross checking things.
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addr:postcode ... 'postal_code' pairs up with 'is_in' which is something
else that does not work well?
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It has been a while and my notes and crib sheets seem to be messed up.
Have JOSM running with ImportImagePlugin and I have a tif file with a 28
pixel per meter scale, and the lat and long for the top left corner, but
I'm obviously not putting the right
done in the past and fine tuned position once loaded so has
something changed, or have I just got the wrong data. I'm fairly sure I
also had a Linux program that helped me play with the values but having
brain freeze at the moment ...
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changed to or mixed with 'postal_code' then so be it, but 'don't worry'
is not the right answer when one IS trying to tidy well defined data sets.
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nav's these days understand a postcode better than a street name.
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see no reason to remove the
addr:postcode from the street especially where routing to the property
can take you to the wrong street where the building is closer to another
road but has no access from it. So I'm not going to remove valid tagging ...
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addr:street= when the road already has name= ... The adjacent building
use addr:street= ...
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phone <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone?uselang=en-GB>+44
> 1274 306188 <tel:+441274306188>
> ref:navads_shell NVDS353-12038573
>
>
> but no street or city. The whole thing seems odd to me.
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more detail to this. Certainly many Shell and BP forecourts are
owned and run by Spar and not Shell or BP ...
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olour scheme in the UK map.
I keep looking at OSMAND and thinking ... I must look at what is needed
for a UK road theme there we have American and German! Vector display
really is the way forward then one can select the right default for any
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is really Cheltenham Road. All needs a bit of an update as the
Transport Cafe has been closed for a while and the lorry park is closed
off. But like many 'Shell' stations, it is operated by a third party,
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On 30/10/17 11:32, David Woolley wrote:
> On 30/10/17 10:37, Lester Caine wrote:
>> What
>> I'm looking at here is reports of fly tipping, dog mess, and so on;)
>
> <https://osm.fixmystreet.com/around?latitude=52.949211;longitude=-1.14391=1>
>
> However, note
d bandwidth which WAS running a UK mirror, but the software
had not been updated in some years and OSRM was no longer working, so I
need to reinstate that. I will have a look at the github setup ... I'm
only looking to mirror the UK but include Ireland in that until the
great wall of brexit appear
the higher level is what is
>> missing?
>
> Would a site relation help?
The way relations currently work ... no it's still not the right answer.
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ygiene link. We then define
lookups from ref:xxx to the secondary dama on each of those database ...
I don't think we need to add fhrs:authority everywhere. It's inherited
from the ref:fhrs ...
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eparate objects where that is necessary
and it would be nice if the larger operations such as Rugby School
helped with detailed campus maps as many of the collage and university
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If I add the names then the rendering becomes messy which is why I only
added the house number.
And I must update the postbox collection times ... that change some time
back :( ... but if those details were pulled from a secondary source ...
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listed? Not sure how OSMAND is holding data, but a search on
http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Wedge%20Avenue%20Haydock#map=13/53.4778/-2.4421=H
fails ... this is not really even a 'post' problem, just finding directions.
> On 2017-10-19 1
On 19/10/17 15:30, Colin Smale wrote:
> It appears they don't even know/understand their own address... The post
> town is not Ebbsfleet but Swanscombe.
Not according to Royal Mail ;) But then that is no proof either, except
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> On 19/10/2017 12:04, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 19/10/17 11:35, Adam Snape wrote:
>>> Doesn't its location within the UK make an explicit UK tag unnecessary?
>> But when reading a single object tags do you know just where it is? Som
is correct. I'm sure
manually top level sorting post, the post person will be looking at the
postal town rather than the postcode, but on automated machines then
only the name and postcode are relevant.
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SHOULD be a freely available database that council tax payers have
financed and councils are required to keep up to date. But it's a
chargeable resource to use :(
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allow all higher level data to be accessed in a simple data read ...
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complete a complete
mirror of is_in: hierarchy which can be updated as changes appear in the
ONS dataset and THEN associate boundaries as appropriate.
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of users seems to have decided against :(
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he interface is essentially :en and requires
each word translated to the alternate language, so a clean set of :en
values makes that consistent world wide, while the 'name' element lacks
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comment against 'name' being what I would consider a rule and the one I
described ... except it misses the problem of case.
< trim out of place stuff and sig should never be quoted! >
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feed automatically with data that the general consensus deems not
appropriate to retain in OSM and the evolution of things like names are
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idingsToOsm.
Not sure that there has been much progress with that.
The open rail data is probably a source that we can use today,
http://wiki.openraildata.com/index.php/File:TIPLOC_Eastings_and_Northings.xlsx.gz
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> On 22/04/2017 15:45, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 22/04/17 15:28, Dave F wrote:
>>> As they're parameters, the format can be standardised for the end user &
>>> any programme should be able to sort out syntax behind the scenes.
>> Totally ag
them which direction a way has
been input.
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On 12/01/17 10:07, Mark Goodge wrote:
> 1. The entire building is "Evesham Town Hall".
Mark - I have the same problem showing access to the Shopmobility office
on the top floor of the car park ;)
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ically accessible, but
http://www.bitboost.com/ref/international-address-formats/united-kingdom/
is a good summary. Just missing the primary and secondary Building Name
where flats are located within one of a number of buildings on a single
street.
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ame building for
infants and junior with separate governance, but they time share the
outside space. Not easy to map the third dimension on OSM, but each has
to have it's own 'level' tag.
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l". We can of course perform a service by reporting typos back.
There are a substantial number of mistakes in the schools data. In these
cases the OSM data is more accurate, but it would be nice if there was a
consistent way of notifying these errors back to the original source.
s' sign, but one would not remove
it from the map, only add the restriction. The ramblers are probably the
best for pushing the boundaries on just what are RoW and border line
cases ;) But even on the ground, access rights are often not obvious.
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or GPS' is common in rural areas - and confuses things further.
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