Re: [Talk-GB] Removal of redundant NaPTAN data

2019-04-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
When I come across them I always delete them. To map them as polygons was nonsense. A few years ago the person who added them confessed he couldn't remember why he'd done it. If there is a desire to to be added they should be on the bus stops, similar to the fare_zones I recently added to

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC: Solar panel mapping in the UK

2019-04-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 03/04/2019 17:23, Dan S wrote: * The tagging is already pretty well-defined. This would be a great project, however I think there's some confusion in the tagging which requires agreeing/clarifying. Most solar rural solar farms are on arable land. There's usually a boundary fence around

Re: [Talk-GB] Press opportunity

2019-03-31 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Is that the royal 'we'? DaveF On 31/03/2019 12:59, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi all, We have been approached by the press (national newspaper/online). They are wanting to write an article in their weekend magazine on OSM as part of a series on "hidden work that makes the internet thrive". They

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-03 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I use evidence on the ground - is it wide enough for any type of four wheel vehicle & are there signs of wheel tracks. I would disagree that bridleways only wide enough for a horse are rare. If a track is designated as a public_bridleway by signage or definitive statement then there is right

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-03 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 03/03/2019 22:54, Warin wrote: If a field is used for a helicopter landing .. should you tag it as a heliport? If a one off, no, but if occasional then Helipad is appropriate in that case. My answer is - what is it regularly used for and is suitable for that use? Not what it could be

Re: [Talk-GB] BT phoneboxes

2019-02-25 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi disused:amenity=telephone Many that have already been decommissioned are being reused: Filled with flowers: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5281048654. Tagged similar to above for emergency=defibrillator & amenity=public_bookcase Cheers DaveF On 25/02/2019 09:47, Jez Nicholson

Re: [Talk-GB] Know any nonprofits that have relocated from UK to elsewhere?

2019-02-20 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Would you care to state the reasons? On 20/02/2019 19:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, even before the whole Brexit brouhaha, the OSMF occasionally thought about perhaps moving the organisation elsewhere (most likely to another EU country but all options are open in theory). Brexit might give us

Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

2019-03-16 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/commit/4df96c4e4927c Plus a discussion in Tagging 05/03 Unsure if this is a step forward. If it's being "misused", the common tags should be amended to accurately represent the areas, not deprecate the render. Seems like the tail wagging the

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-14 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Nothing except the fact people walk along a way is implied by path or footway. The legality or ability to use it is defined with sub/adjective tags, such as width. The path tag is actively being discouraged. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/20333 OSM-Carto rendering

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging of Argos stores

2019-03-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
This is the full list of name=Argos, shop=* Catalogue by far the most popular, but I wondering if there any specialised Argos outlets selling just furniture or electrical? catalogue,152 department_store,90 ,60 yes,55 variety_store,39 general,21 supermarket,8 gift,5 convenience,4 houseware,4

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 10/03/2019 22:37, Martin Wynne wrote: Thanks for the comments. I'm surprised some folks can be so dogmatic, A surprising comment considering on your 'rarity' claim. Changing the subject a little, is it still a track if wide enough for a vehicle, but the landowner has physically blocked

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 10/03/2019 23:19, Warin wrote: Is there evidence of bridleway use? The title of the thread is "Bridleway *or* track?" but It's advisable to check the whole length as sections can be used by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get between adjacent fields. Then the sections will have

Re: [Talk-GB] Fw: Road name contradictions in the UK

2019-03-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 08/03/2019 10:15, Andy Townsend wrote: OS Locator is/was a good source of those missing names, as shown in "Musical Chairs" here: There's also: http://product.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/ Although don't be deceived by the 'Last Updated' date - It's not being updated. When I

Re: [Talk-GB] How to map new housing?

2019-03-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Welcome to OSM. Mapping new developments is trickier without aerial imagery, but there's quite a bit you can do to make it more accurate than guesswork. * if you're mapping the roads use the GPS to walk down their centre, if it's safe to do so, of course) * Takes *lots* of photos.

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-15 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
? DaveF On 15/03/2019 11:05, David Woolley wrote: On 15/03/2019 01:24, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: AFAIA, neither tag had any impied permissions or condition attributes. They do, and they are country specific. <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_ta

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-14 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
th would be marked 'depreciated'. On 15/03/19 00:24, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Hi Nothing except the fact people walk along a way is implied by path or footway. The legality or ability to use it is defined with sub/adjective tags, such as width. The path tag is actively being discouraged

Re: [Talk-GB] Lake District NationalPark

2019-03-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 13/03/2019 21:28, Paul Berry wrote: Relation looks OK to me but I can't see the name at any zoom level: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/287917 Yes, it takes a long time to fully render. it must be quite low down in OSM-Carto's hierarchy, & depending on a national_park's size &

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
highway=bridleway was, I believe, conceived to be used as a shortcut tag for the below, but if the way is a track, they should be included. DaveF On 11/03/2019 08:49, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Access tags for a bridleway in the UK or in my experience England and Wales should be

Re: [Talk-GB] Bridleway or track?

2019-03-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 10/03/2019 23:45, Martin Wynne wrote: There's clearly no evidence of 4 wheeled vehicles, so it should be marked as a bridleway, but It's advisable to check the whole length as sections can be used by vehicles such as agricultural ones to get between adjacent fields. It's a public

Re: [Talk-GB] Possible Unattributed Map on Labrokes Website

2019-02-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/02/2019 20:52, Chris Hill wrote: On 07/02/2019 18:25, Philip Barnes wrote: On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 17:59 +, talk...@manet-computer.co.uk wrote: Hi All, Not sure if this is the right place to ask but is there anyone who can look at https://thegrid.ladbrokes.com/en/shoplocator to

Re: [Talk-GB] Notes (Was: We're missing changes...)

2019-02-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
s teaching users how to use OSM software. Cheers DaveF On 11/02/2019 15:14, ael via Talk-GB wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 02:40:23PM +0000, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: I think we should be encouraging those who add notes to contribute directly to the do-ocracy that is OSM. Quite a few notes tak

Re: [Talk-GB] Notes (Was: We're missing changes...)

2019-02-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I think we should be encouraging those who add notes to contribute directly to the do-ocracy that is OSM. Quite a few notes take longer to type than actually editing the problem they are highlighting. If anybody (even anonymously) can add notes then users should be able to delete notes to

Re: [Talk-GB] We're missing changes to M1 Junction 36 which have apparently been in place for a year.

2019-02-11 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 11/02/2019 11:06, Paul Berry wrote: OK, I'll give that a try this week and see how the GPS traces come out. Drive around it a few times, if possible. GPS isn't the most accurate when taking tight bends/roundabouts. Having multiple traces provides a more accurate average. Do you have a

Re: [Talk-GB] Use of amenity=university within the University of Cambridge

2019-04-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I'm so glad this has been resurrected again. It's not only the tag mentioned, but others including leisure=pitch to represent recreation grounds. The university area requires amending to fit within accepted & agreed tagging rules. DaveF On 07/04/2019 12:28, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)

Re: [Talk-GB] Preston Park, Brighton

2019-06-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Some park runs regularly alter their course to avoid causing damage to the grass, Bus routes are permanently marked with bus stops Complexity isn't a reason to map an item of not On 04/06/2019 14:02, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote: An Overpass query for

Re: [Talk-GB] Preston Park, Brighton

2019-06-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Polygons shouldn't be attached to highways=* which represent an infinitesimally thin centreline & provides no assumption of width. If you wanted to add a gate to the outline of the park it would also, inaccurately, act as a barrier on the road. is there a pond in the rose garden? it

Re: [Talk-GB] road relations

2019-06-01 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi I've yet to hear a valid reasoning for this relation type. It's much more beneficial to add addresses instead. There appears an increasing tendency to collect almost anything together into a relation. See public-transport's 'stop_area' as another example This is not why relations were

Re: [Talk-GB] road relations

2019-06-01 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
You're talking about a different subject, which 'associatedstreets' won't resolve. DaveF On 01/06/2019 12:06, Colin Smale wrote: On 2019-06-01 12:34, Gareth L wrote: I was about to say, relations of this manner seem duplicitous of simply having an address. Using only the street name to

Re: [Talk-GB] road relations

2019-06-01 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 01/06/2019 12:00, Colin Smale wrote: Relations are great to represent real-world relations that cannot be inferred (reliably) from the other data in OSM. Often a geometrical relation exists, such as a node inside a polygon, but not always. OSM loves to allow things to be inferred from the

Re: [Talk-GB] Snowdonia National Park missing?

2019-06-18 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I thought how to fix it was explained to you last time: http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=287245 On 18/06/2019 20:23, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi everyone Probably a broken a relation. Beyond my skills to investigate and fix. Can someone suitably equipped please take a look?

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycling Infrastructure Database

2019-05-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
This looks very interesting, well worth investigating, but could any comments be posted here please -  We get notifications, they're recorded & date sorted. I've yet to see a wiki discussion that doesn't become incoherent after a dozen posts. . DaveF On 10/05/2019 17:03, Jez Nicholson wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/05/2019 12:17, Martin Wynne wrote: On 07/05/2019 11:34, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where people reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped individually within that area. Thanks Dave. But in that case, why

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Your OSM example look fine to me - a single property is still where people reside. Any other details, such as garden, should be mapped individually within that area. The mistake early in OSM's life was to use this tag to indicate a village/town/city as a whole, with a blanket polygon covering

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/112368662 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/05/2019 12:40, Martin Wynne wrote: Are we trying to create a legal reference document? Or a description of what a visitor would see on the ground? From OSM's main welcome page: "OpenStreetMap is a place for mapping things that are both /real and current"

Re: [Talk-GB] What is a residential area?

2019-05-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 07/05/2019 14:38, David Woolley wrote: On 07/05/2019 13:30, Martin Wynne wrote: This idea of primary and secondary tags is new to me. There is no such distinction in the iD editor -- all applied tags are simply listed in alphabetical order. Things like name, height, and colour are

Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?

2019-05-05 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi I'm not convinced it's a bridge. There's no clear evidence of a raised footway. A piece of wood dropped in the stream, is probably just a piece of wood dropped in the stream. I've two similar examples close to me; one wood the other a cast iron frame. They're for the user to steady

Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?

2019-05-05 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 05/05/2019 15:52, Martin Wynne wrote: n.b. the iD editor is now showing this as an error: "Stream crosses foot path", even though tagged as a ford. Got a Link? If you're mapping linear ways a node at their intersection with ford=yes is required.

Re: [Talk-GB] Is this a footbridge?

2019-05-05 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Given the small width of the ditch, I wouldn't bother with the separate way, but just put the ford & handrail tags on the intersecting node. The way you've mapped it the ford & handrail are 5 metres in length. On 05/05/2019 17:19, Martin Wynne wrote: Got a Link? If you're mapping linear

Re: [Talk-GB] How to tag this?

2019-05-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
if it's used for advertising look up that in the wiki. For the actual structure: disused:amenity=telephone covered=booth booth=K6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_telephone_box On 08/05/2019 12:27, Martin Wynne wrote: How should I tag this? It's a former phone box in use to advertise the

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing NaPTAN Data

2019-07-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 04/07/2019 16:59, Silent Spike wrote: My understanding is that `public_transport=platform` is any place where public transport can be accessed Same as bus_stop/tram_stop, you mean? and should not literally be interpreted as a physical platform then why hi-jack the word 'platform'

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing NaPTAN Data

2019-07-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Please, please don't use public_transport=platform unless you're actually mapping an actual, physical, raised object, similar to railway platforms. 'platform' has been misappropriated from the physical railway=platform by those who developed the PT schema to mean an arbitrary area of

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing NaPTAN Data

2019-07-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 04/07/2019 16:39, Martin Wynne wrote: On 04/07/2019 16:11, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: In OSM we map *physical* objects only. In rural areas there are many places where buses are timetabled to stop but where there is nothing physical -- no signpost or shelter. These are still 'physical

Re: [Talk-GB] Importing NaPTAN Data

2019-07-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
In OSM we map *physical* objects only. What about border - especially lower administrative units and nature reserves? From a previous post: These are still 'physical' in the sense that they exist in the timetable & Naptan documents. (Think also boundaries which don't have dashed lines

[Talk-GB] Shops replaced with those tagged in Google maps?

2019-07-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69064630#map=16/51.3132/-0.3029 A user has removed what looks like valid data including shops & replaced with those listed in Google Maps https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3167258,-0.304743,149m/data=!3m1!1e3 Anyone local to Epsom that can take a

Re: [Talk-GB] Trig Point references

2019-07-12 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 12/07/2019 21:19, Philip Barnes wrote: Hi Brian Each pillar has a plate with an OS reassigned reference, which is easily on the ground verifiable. I believe that we should be using that rather than those randomly assigned by a 3rd party site of unknown origin. Hmm... Good job no one did

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping a combined stile and gate?

2019-04-22 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
If I have the patience, I split them: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.40349/-2.44502 The PROW ref should go over the stile's way even if the gate is always open - it's up the walker to decide which to use (even if the choice is obvious) DaveF On 22/04/2019 13:43, Martin Wynne

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping a combined stile and gate?

2019-04-22 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 22/04/2019 15:34, Roger Calvert wrote: The Lake District National Park instructions to footpath surveyors recommends: "Where there are two items of furniture for the same crossing (for example, a gate and a stile alongside each other), then it is the one highest up the hierarchy .. or the

Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

2019-09-02 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Bullet point replies: * Under the PROW section why are the 'yes' values not 'designated'? * byway_open_to_all_traffic - Why is motor vehicle 'private/no'? * Clarify which tags are optional (ie horse for Footpaths) * Designated ways aren't limited to

Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

2019-09-02 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 02/09/2019 14:58, David Woolley wrote: This could conflict with a trend that I believe is developing, at least for more formal roads, of removing signage, because it distracts drivers, and relying on satellite navigators to provide the information instead. What evidence have you of this

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding buildings and addresses

2019-09-18 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Could you clarify/give an example of what you mean by 'Community Maps''? DaveF On 16/09/2019 00:02, Luciën Greefkes via Talk-GB wrote: Hello everyone, I'm currently working on mapping the neighbourhoods of Welwyn Garden City. For that I'd like to use an accurate resource, also not to miss out

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Construction areas aren't inaccessible. They have constant traffic of deliveries. Please provide a link. DaveF On 29/07/2019 11:21, ael wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 09:42:27AM +0100, Dan S wrote: "stinks of armchair mapping" - that sounds rather derogatory. My understanding is that these

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Andy There is nothing wrong with adding just highway=service. If you know that the OSM database can be improved by adding additional tags, then do so. (Although I note you're not too sure, yourself) As I understand it Amazon have gpx traces from their delivery vehicles along roads which the

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I'm aware how construction sites work. Trades will occasionally have small items delivered, especially if specialized or in an emergency.  A foreman I know had his kid's Christmas present sent to site to keep the surprise. Please provide an OSM link to the site. DaveF On 29/07/2019 12:25,

Re: [Talk-GB] Amazon Logistics edits

2019-07-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
It would be good if they could add address data. Probably not postcodes - I assume they're a customer of Royal Mail's PAF, but house numbers & names. DaveF On 29/07/2019 13:32, Gregory Marler wrote: I've exchanged a number of messages with the Amazon mappers and their team lead Jothirnadh.

Re: [Talk-GB] Rowmaps importing in South Gloucestershire

2019-08-09 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Neil. I contacted SG recently regarding as updated dataset under OGL v3. A Nicola Chidley from SG said I should use their set on rowmaps. An IT officer also said they were given OS copyright exemption in 2016. As it's designated paths being added other tags as well as highway should be

Re: [Talk-GB] Rowmaps importing in South Gloucestershire

2019-08-09 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Public_Rights_of_Way_Data_from_local_councils . While there's nothing listed there, it's definitely not ok to use the data in OSM. Rubbish. Just because one person isn't aware of a fact, it doesn't make it untrue. No one person has authority

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-09-24 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Re: shop=vacant. This is a popular alternative tag, but removes the previous usage from the latest version. I found knowing this helpful when a new shop replaces it - "There's a new café opening in what used to be the flower shop" How is the name tag dealt with if disused: isn't used? Tony.

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-09-24 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Something has happened. The company went into liquidation (not administration under which, I believe, they could still operate) & the shops have closed. If your local chippy closed would you leave it mapped as still open for business? On 24/09/2019 14:47, Chris Hill wrote: Thomas Cook shops

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-09-24 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
My OP should indicate I'm aware of variants. There's the head office, which I believe is still functioning as a part of Matterhorn, a bus stop & a statue DaveF On 24/09/2019 15:44, Frederik Ramm wrote: Just don't take the lawnmower over the database and assume that everything that is called

Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

2019-10-02 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Bike riders may like to read about  the latest mess concerning cycle lanes: https://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/underhand-law-change-undermines-mandatory-cycle-lanes?fbclid=IwAR1oqOMvD9XjMFrLwKAr65Jw-8ifm0qXSNshRe7yhbKiZ2h7-sVlxsXLbyU DaveF On 22/09/2019 15:45, Mike Baggaley wrote: I would prefer

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

2019-10-02 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
FYI in JOSM (latest) https wont generate a TMS URL. I had to change the pasted URL to http & then back again. then it generated & 'ungreyed' the Okay button. Is this expected behaviour? On 02/10/2019 15:37, Chris Hill wrote: Thanks, I've just updated with August 2019 data, the next update is

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

2019-10-02 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I think this is a Win/JOSM problem - After pasting the URL If I move the cursor using the arrow keys the TMS URL is created. Thanks DaveF On 02/10/2019 17:19, Chris Hill wrote: Thanks for reporting a problem - I'll always try to respond if I can. The installation process has changed in the

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-09-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 29/09/2019 14:30, David Woolley wrote: I think too much effort goes into these big changes. The actual change is dead easy in JOSM. It's all this faffing about having to discuss it that takes up all the time. As I said in another thread this increasing reluctance to removing/updating

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-09-29 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 29/09/2019 14:03, Jez Nicholson wrote: Re: my comment about shop=vacant. I may have been convinced to use disused:shop=travel_agent + name=Thomas Cook. * travel_agency Not sure whether a vacant shop with no ghost signage would still be a shop=vacant or a disused:shop=yes. As those two

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding buildings and addresses

2019-11-02 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
no?) On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:43 AM Dave F via Talk-GB < talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote: Could you clarify/give an example of what you mean by 'Community Maps''? DaveF On 16/09/2019 00:02, Luciën Greefkes via Talk-GB wrote: Hello everyone, I'm currently working on mapping the neighbourh

Re: [Talk-GB] FIXME/fixme/OSm Notes Quarterly Project

2019-11-05 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=2580522=true&_noCache=on Click on 'Analysis on map' All bits with a marker need looking at, plus roundabouts require splitting as the bus doesn't go all the way around. This one looks like a right mess given the loop with the bus stop is

Re: [Talk-GB] FIXME/fixme/OSm Notes Quarterly Project

2019-11-06 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
erpreted as roundabouts by routers, ie, inferring the direction without a oneway tag, or do I tag the roundabout segments as one-way in a circle? (or something else!) On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 00:54, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=2580522=true&_noCac

Re: [Talk-GB] Name Suggestion Index

2019-11-06 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 06/11/2019 14:22, SK53 wrote: Personally I'd prefer retaining confectionery & perhaps using some kind of sub-tag for the chocolate bit: although chocolate only/dominated shops are much commoner than some other kinds of sweet shop. Yes. shop=confectionery confectionery= chocolate/fudge etc

[Talk-GB] OSM-UK misunderstands the British Isles

2019-11-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Someone involved with OSM-UK may wish to check the definition of The British Isles: https://www.britannica.com/place/British-Isles They may also wish to have a read of this: https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/departments/cabinet-office/external-relations/constitution/ What is the

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM-UK misunderstands the British Isles

2019-11-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Here's OSM-UK's page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom#Guidelines On 13/11/2019 15:08, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Hi Someone involved with OSM-UK may wish to check the definition of The British Isles: https://www.britannica.com/place/British-Isles They may also wish to have

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM-UK misunderstands the British Isles

2019-11-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 13/11/2019 15:42, Jez Nicholson wrote: Hi Dave, There was a long and detailed discussion about where is covered by OSMUK. Hi Where/when was this discussion held? DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 14/12/2019 15:19, Martin Wynne wrote: Is this "farmland"?  http://85a.uk/haws_hill_960x600.jpg I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. I concur with your frustration about 'huge multi polygons', especially when joined to other features such as roads & rivers.

Re: [Talk-GB] What is farmland?

2019-12-14 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 14/12/2019 16:08, Martin Wynne wrote: I would say yes, as I believe both arable & livestock is farmland. Thanks Dave. But in that case, how on OSM do we differentiate between the two? I would have said farmland=arable/livestock, but it doesn't appear to be that popular.Have you searched

Re: [Talk-GB] Reference numbers for UK admin areas?

2019-10-23 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
because (1) parish councils are third parties to the Public Sector Mapping Agreement and (2) they have just had a lot of assets (or should that be liabilities?) devolved to them from higher tiers of government. Edward On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 16:25, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Which Sutton? Could

Re: [Talk-GB] Reference numbers for UK admin areas?

2019-10-23 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Which Sutton? Could you post the OP? DaveF On 23/10/2019 15:49, Edward Bainton wrote: Hi all On the forum marczoutendijk gave me an Overpass query to find grit-bins in Sutton. He added an admin-level to distinguish the parish of Sutton from the London borough. The only issue is, there

Re: [Talk-GB] Zebra crossings being lost in iD - how to respond

2019-10-25 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 25/10/2019 12:04, Andy Townsend wrote: On 25/10/2019 11:43, Jez Nicholson wrote: +1 for a bot edit Perhaps Maproulette would be a better option?  Zebra markings would often be visible on aerial imagery, and a comparison of newer vs older imagery might allow people to identify recent

Re: [Talk-GB] Lancashire prow_ref reference table

2019-11-26 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 26/11/2019 12:01, Tony OSM wrote:  to the preferred prow_ref format  Adlington FP 5. As previous, this is not the preferred format. The format should be as supplied by the LA, the organisation which has the *authority* to name PROWs. Creating a reference unique to OSM doesn't improve the

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-09-25 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Because shop=* indicates it is still open for business. disused:shop=* indicates it not being used for it's previous purpose. On 25/09/2019 13:24, Andy Mabbett wrote: "Closed for business" does not equate to "vacant". Why not some thing like opening_hours = none

Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans & OSM

2019-10-09 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I've had the occasional limited discussions on social media. Arguments against using OSM fall into 1. Claim of no cost to use OS data as it's via local authority licensing. Unsure if it's all LAs 2. They "wanted to use mapping that had 100% reliable data for the users benefit." 3. Mild

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-10-09 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 10/10/2019 00:11, Warin wrote: On 09/10/19 21:21, Martin Wynne wrote: On 09/10/2019 11:11, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Not so fast... The current Company is still bust. The shops are closed. "Sunderland-based Hays said it planned to reopen all the shops under its own brand with imme

Re: [Talk-GB] Sustrans & OSM

2019-10-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
long ago it is that you were in discussion with them? On 10 Oct 2019 00:26, "Dave F via Talk-GB" wrote: I've had the occasional limited discussions on social media. Arguments against using OSM fall into 1. Claim of no cost to use OS data as it's via local authority licensing. Unsure i

Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

2019-10-10 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 09/10/2019 23:12, Warin wrote: I'd think to get that level of accuracy you 'd need readings over some considerable time... days? Otherwise you get bias from, as you hint, the atmospheric conditions, the satellites in view - their bias, angles .. Unless you have access to correction

Re: [Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

2019-10-09 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Not so fast... The current Company is still bust. The shops are closed. On 09/10/2019 11:00, Martin Wynne wrote: The advantage of turning them all to disused: is that they are done. The disadvantage is that there is no local confirmation. However .. I think most will agree that even without a

Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

2019-10-09 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
2cm? I'm intrigued, what model are you using? What were the atmospheric conditions on the day you took your reading? DaveF On 09/10/2019 11:05, Simon Ritchie wrote: I've been working with some GPS equipment that claims to be accurate to 2cm. To test it, I've been visiting local OS trig

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

2019-10-03 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
I think you're missing the point. Most contributors believe postcodes on buildings or property nodes, add quality to the OSM's database, but object to the import of codepoint as it's just not accurate enough as stated in this, & numerous other threads. There's no point in importing to stand

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

2019-10-04 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 04/10/2019 01:52, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: On 04/10/2019 00:26, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: I think you're missing the point. Most contributors believe postcodes on buildings or property nodes, add quality to the OSM's database, but object to the import of codepoint as it's just

Re: [Talk-GB] accurate GPS

2019-10-12 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Oh, is /that/ what he's doing? On 10/10/2019 17:47, Jez Nicholson wrote: *Ahem* no offence to Simon, obviouslyhe's just trying to check out a manufacturer's claims and opening a can of worms in the process. On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 5:18 PM Dave F via Talk-GB < talk-gb@openstreetmap.

Re: [Talk-GB] Fixmes and Notes

2019-10-13 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi I've amended the OP query to return more on topic results: Restrict it to footways & paths Find fixme values which include, but aren't solely either incomplete,stub, longer than this or continue" Add 'survey' value. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/N5N DaveF On 13/10/2019 13:57, Rob

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments

2019-12-19 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 19/12/2019 02:09, Warin wrote: On 19/12/19 13:01, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 19/12/2019 01:41, Andy Townsend wrote: Aside from this particular question, that's actually a problem that happens all the time with things like "amenity=pub; tourism=hotel" - I'd rather the m

Re: [Talk-GB] No Through Road Ahead

2019-12-19 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
The advice to tag the tight corner is correct. There's no requirement to tag the whole road as any router/sat nav worth their salt should search well ahead for any such restrictions. Are there chevron signs at the corner? You can always map the actual sign, but personally I don't bother as

Re: [Talk-GB] Disused or empty apartments

2019-12-18 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 19/12/2019 01:41, Andy Townsend wrote: Aside from this particular question, that's actually a problem that happens all the time with things like "amenity=pub; tourism=hotel" - Not really. pub & hotel are synonymous but building=yes (which indicates it's operational) is antonymous to

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-06 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
ers, Jerry On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 15:15, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: On 04/02/2020 14:28, Dan S wrote: Hi Dave, I agree with what you suggest. Can we be a bit precise though about what you propose? You're proposing to remove amenity=university from building=university in Cambridge, and make

Re: [Talk-GB] railway=halt

2020-02-01 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 01/02/2020 10:39, Gareth L wrote: Just to throw in some awkward cases, there are stations which are request stops in one direction only. E.g. Llanwrda is request stop southbound but always stops northbound. Basing use of this tag on service pattern, which changes every 6 months seems not

Re: [Talk-GB] railway=halt

2020-02-01 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 01/02/2020 12:40, Tony OSM wrote: Hi Great to see your station work. Thanks I agree they should all be station. If DfT classifies stations as A-F or whatever then a tag to indicate that would be useful. These DfT classifications seem to be used by the rail industry to indicate

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging ad hoc parking places?

2020-01-31 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 31/01/2020 11:41, Martin Wynne wrote: On 31/01/2020 11:13, ael wrote: OK. I agree that parking=layby is much better. Thanks for the comments. But the places I was asking about can't really be called laybys, or car parks. Somewhere that a car could be left for a few hours out of

[Talk-GB] railway=halt

2020-01-31 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
Hi Over the past few months I've been sorting & adding detail to the UK's National Rail railway stations so that OSM has the correct amount. I'm unsure of the benefits of tagging some of them as 'halts'. I'm proposing they should all be 'station'. All 2567 NR Stations with 96 halts in blue:

Re: [Talk-GB] railway=halt

2020-01-31 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 01/02/2020 00:05, Martin Wynne wrote: The traditional distinction was that Halts were unstaffed. These are now classed as DfT F, which is also worth adding. DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] railway=halt

2020-02-07 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 31/01/2020 23:49, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: Hi Over the past few months I've been sorting & adding detail to the UK's National Rail railway stations so that OSM has the correct amount. As it's been a week, with no objections, I'm proceeding with the amendments. I'm keeping a

Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

2020-02-08 Thread Dave F via Talk-GB
On 06/02/2020 15:48, Brian Prangle wrote: "OSM is not beholden to data consumers. They take the data 'as is'. That includes any amendments My planned amendment can always be reversed if there is a valid reason. Upsetting CU isn't one" Not a great way to build a community when the data user

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