Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Brian Hollinshead]

Hi Dave and others
I am interested to attend as well

On 14 August 2017 at 02:52, Dave Corley  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all
> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and
> give your feedback when you're done.
>
> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the
> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring
> process to get it all done.
>
> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I
> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow
> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions
> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I recall
> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland,
> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio
> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally
> expected.
>
> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an
> absolute minimum, could do the following
>
>- Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation
>around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. This
>could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even
>setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement
>- Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple things
>like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure
> every
>new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc.
> Basically,
>just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with new
> folks
>in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason why a
>number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month period if
>this is done right.
>- Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of open
>data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a
>signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, prioritising,
>tools and import process).
>- Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example doing a 1
>month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors using Osmi
> or
>keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland mapping
>project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could have a real,
>lasting impact on the map
>- Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This doesn't need
>to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would likely be one
>day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going within 2
>years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). There's
>enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and academic folks
>that is easily within reach.
>- Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest
>population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a location
>outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night away
> where
>we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the ground
> in a
>town and get every street name, address, business and attraction all in
> one
>day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few drinks.
>
> In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to work on
> them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the bag and
> to avoid burnout.
>
> Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM Ireland
> should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally fine. It's
> kind of the point of this email :)
>
> With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am proposing is
> the following
>
> 1. A meeting in early Sept  (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come
> together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM Ireland. Note,
> this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure and,
> most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. research
> whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal
> requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc
>
> 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the structure is
> locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if required at
> this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on some tasks to
> keep the process moving.
>
> 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any last
> elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional board
> probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. Note,
> this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM Ireland and
> elections would be held at that first meeting.

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Dave Corley]

John & Donal,

It's definitely a case of the more, the better.

Dave

On 12 Sep 2017 09:03, "John Ronan"  wrote:

> I would be interesting in attending as well (From Waterford). If I can
> at all. It would be good to put faces to the names.
>
> Regards
> John
>
> On 11/09/17 21:57, Donal Hunt wrote:
> > I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need
> some
> > leadtime and ability to travel up for it.  Either Saturday seems good
> right
> > now.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Donal
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Much appreciated folks.
> >>
> >> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a
> ticket
> >> booth to track numbers then.
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put
> my
> >>> name down to host the event.
> >>> Tad
> >>>
> >>> On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi Jeffrey,
> 
>  A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling.
> >>> Would
>  it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that
> >>> there
>  will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time
> >> for
>   discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or
>  other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour.
> 
>  Dave
> 
>  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe 
> >> wrote:
> > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you
> > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th.
> > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to
> >> host
> > you.  I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to
> > host if you wanted the 14th.
> > Jeffrey Roe,
> > www.tog.ie
> >
> >
> > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley 
> >>> wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail
> >> list,
> >> Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead
>  with
> >> this.
> >>
> >> Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay
>  quiet
> >> and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible
> >>> to
>  do
> >> everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an
> > informal
> >> grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and
> >>> organisational
> >> interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think
> >>> its
> >> necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment
>  about
> >> there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right
> >> now I
> > feel
> >> there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in
> >>> place
>  (
> > we
> >> are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).
> >>
> >> That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago,
> >> the
>  mail
> >> list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as
>  usual,
> >> the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I
> >> think
>  its
> >> best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a
> >> single
>  one,
> >> where several of us come together and blitz the main items:
> >>
> >> - Constitution
> >> - Memorandum of association
> >> - Articles of association
> >> - Interim board
> >> - etc etc
> >>
> >> What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of
> >>> the
> > way
> >> there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for
> > feedback,
> >> comment and to close out any remaining items.
> >>
> >> I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for
>  this,
> >> say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to
> >> a
> > single
> >> day, to get a much larger group to participate.
> >>
> >> In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try
>  organise
> >> some sponsorship of refreshments.
> >>
> >> Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a
> >>> Saturday
> > in
> >> Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.
> >>
> >> Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just
> >> to
> >>> be
> >> able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
> >> refreshments.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann  > wrote:
> >>> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set
> >> up.
> 

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[John Ronan]

I would be interesting in attending as well (From Waterford). If I can
at all. It would be good to put faces to the names.

Regards
John

On 11/09/17 21:57, Donal Hunt wrote:
> I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need some
> leadtime and ability to travel up for it.  Either Saturday seems good right
> now.
> Thanks!
>
> Donal
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley  wrote:
>
>> Much appreciated folks.
>>
>> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket
>> booth to track numbers then.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Dave
>>
>> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell"  wrote:
>>
>>> As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my
>>> name down to host the event.
>>> Tad
>>>
>>> On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jeffrey,

 A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling.
>>> Would
 it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that
>>> there
 will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time
>> for
  discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or
 other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour.

 Dave

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe 
>> wrote:
> There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you
> would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th.
> An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to
>> host
> you.  I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to
> host if you wanted the 14th.
> Jeffrey Roe,
> www.tog.ie
>
>
> On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley 
>>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail
>> list,
>> Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead
 with
>> this.
>>
>> Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay
 quiet
>> and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible
>>> to
 do
>> everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an
> informal
>> grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and
>>> organisational
>> interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think
>>> its
>> necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment
 about
>> there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right
>> now I
> feel
>> there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in
>>> place
 (
> we
>> are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).
>>
>> That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago,
>> the
 mail
>> list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as
 usual,
>> the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I
>> think
 its
>> best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a
>> single
 one,
>> where several of us come together and blitz the main items:
>>
>> - Constitution
>> - Memorandum of association
>> - Articles of association
>> - Interim board
>> - etc etc
>>
>> What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of
>>> the
> way
>> there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for
> feedback,
>> comment and to close out any remaining items.
>>
>> I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for
 this,
>> say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to
>> a
> single
>> day, to get a much larger group to participate.
>>
>> In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try
 organise
>> some sponsorship of refreshments.
>>
>> Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a
>>> Saturday
> in
>> Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.
>>
>> Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just
>> to
>>> be
>> able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
>> refreshments.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:
>>> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set
>> up.
>>> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body,
>>> but
>>> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it
>>> would
>>> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're
>> from
>>> an
>>> official body.
>>>
>>> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of
>>> us!
>>> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 
>> 

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Donal Hunt]

I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need some
leadtime and ability to travel up for it.  Either Saturday seems good right
now.
Thanks!

Donal

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley  wrote:

> Much appreciated folks.
>
> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket
> booth to track numbers then.
>
> Thanks again,
> Dave
>
> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell"  wrote:
>
> > As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my
> > name down to host the event.
> > Tad
> >
> > On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jeffrey,
> > >
> > > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling.
> > Would
> > > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that
> > there
> > > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time
> for
> > >  discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or
> > > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you
> > > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th.
> > > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to
> host
> > > > you.  I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to
> > > > host if you wanted the 14th.
> > > > Jeffrey Roe,
> > > > www.tog.ie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley 
> > wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail
> list,
> > > > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead
> > > with
> > > > > this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay
> > > quiet
> > > > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible
> > to
> > > do
> > > > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an
> > > > informal
> > > > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and
> > organisational
> > > > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think
> > its
> > > > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment
> > > about
> > > > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right
> now I
> > > > feel
> > > > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in
> > place
> > > (
> > > > we
> > > > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).
> > > > >
> > > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago,
> the
> > > mail
> > > > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as
> > > usual,
> > > > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I
> think
> > > its
> > > > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a
> single
> > > one,
> > > > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Constitution
> > > > > - Memorandum of association
> > > > > - Articles of association
> > > > > - Interim board
> > > > > - etc etc
> > > > >
> > > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for
> > > > feedback,
> > > > > comment and to close out any remaining items.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for
> > > this,
> > > > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to
> a
> > > > single
> > > > > day, to get a much larger group to participate.
> > > > >
> > > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try
> > > organise
> > > > > some sponsorship of refreshments.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a
> > Saturday
> > > > in
> > > > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just
> to
> > be
> > > > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
> > > > > refreshments.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set
> up.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body,
> > but
> > > > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it
> > would
> > > > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're
> from
> > an
> > > > >> official body.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of
> > us!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Since 

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Dave Corley]

Much appreciated folks.

Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket
booth to track numbers then.

Thanks again,
Dave

On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell"  wrote:

> As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my
> name down to host the event.
> Tad
>
> On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley  wrote:
>
> > Hi Jeffrey,
> >
> > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling.
> Would
> > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that
> there
> > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time for
> >  discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or
> > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe  wrote:
> >
> > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you
> > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th.
> > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host
> > > you.  I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to
> > > host if you wanted the 14th.
> > > Jeffrey Roe,
> > > www.tog.ie
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley 
> wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list,
> > > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead
> > with
> > > > this.
> > > >
> > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay
> > quiet
> > > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible
> to
> > do
> > > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an
> > > informal
> > > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and
> organisational
> > > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think
> its
> > > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment
> > about
> > > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I
> > > feel
> > > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in
> place
> > (
> > > we
> > > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).
> > > >
> > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the
> > mail
> > > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as
> > usual,
> > > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think
> > its
> > > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single
> > one,
> > > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items:
> > > >
> > > > - Constitution
> > > > - Memorandum of association
> > > > - Articles of association
> > > > - Interim board
> > > > - etc etc
> > > >
> > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of
> the
> > > way
> > > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for
> > > feedback,
> > > > comment and to close out any remaining items.
> > > >
> > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for
> > this,
> > > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a
> > > single
> > > > day, to get a much larger group to participate.
> > > >
> > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try
> > organise
> > > > some sponsorship of refreshments.
> > > >
> > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a
> Saturday
> > > in
> > > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.
> > > >
> > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to
> be
> > > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
> > > > refreshments.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body,
> but
> > > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it
> would
> > > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from
> an
> > > >> official body.
> > > >>
> > > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of
> us!
> > > >>
> > > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events.  But
> > I'll
> > > >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was
> > > >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is
> now a
> > > >> DAC (designed activity company(?))
> > > >>
> > > >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hi,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at
> > all
> > > >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read
> on
> > > and

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Tadeusz Cantwell]

As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my
name down to host the event.
Tad

On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley  wrote:

> Hi Jeffrey,
>
> A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. Would
> it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that there
> will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time for
>  discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or
> other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour.
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe  wrote:
>
> > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you
> > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th.
> > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host
> > you.  I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to
> > host if you wanted the 14th.
> > Jeffrey Roe,
> > www.tog.ie
> >
> >
> > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley  wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list,
> > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead
> with
> > > this.
> > >
> > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay
> quiet
> > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to
> do
> > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an
> > informal
> > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational
> > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its
> > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment
> about
> > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I
> > feel
> > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place
> (
> > we
> > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).
> > >
> > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the
> mail
> > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as
> usual,
> > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think
> its
> > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single
> one,
> > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items:
> > >
> > > - Constitution
> > > - Memorandum of association
> > > - Articles of association
> > > - Interim board
> > > - etc etc
> > >
> > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the
> > way
> > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for
> > feedback,
> > > comment and to close out any remaining items.
> > >
> > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for
> this,
> > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a
> > single
> > > day, to get a much larger group to participate.
> > >
> > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try
> organise
> > > some sponsorship of refreshments.
> > >
> > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday
> > in
> > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.
> > >
> > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be
> > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
> > > refreshments.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but
> > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would
> > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an
> > >> official body.
> > >>
> > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us!
> > >>
> > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events.  But
> I'll
> > >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was
> > >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a
> > >> DAC (designed activity company(?))
> > >>
> > >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at
> all
> > >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on
> > and
> > >>> give your feedback when you're done.
> > >>>
> > >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
> > >>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the
> > >>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long,
> > boring
> > >>> process to get it all done.
> > >>>
> > >>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago,
> I
> > >>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions 

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Dave Corley]

Hi Jeffrey,

A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. Would
it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that there
will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time for
 discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or
other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour.

Dave

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe  wrote:

> There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you
> would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th.
> An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host
> you.  I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to
> host if you wanted the 14th.
> Jeffrey Roe,
> www.tog.ie
>
>
> On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list,
> > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead with
> > this.
> >
> > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay quiet
> > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to do
> > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an
> informal
> > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational
> > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its
> > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment about
> > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I
> feel
> > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place (
> we
> > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).
> >
> > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the mail
> > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as usual,
> > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think its
> > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single one,
> > where several of us come together and blitz the main items:
> >
> > - Constitution
> > - Memorandum of association
> > - Articles of association
> > - Interim board
> > - etc etc
> >
> > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the
> way
> > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for
> feedback,
> > comment and to close out any remaining items.
> >
> > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for this,
> > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a
> single
> > day, to get a much larger group to participate.
> >
> > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try organise
> > some sponsorship of refreshments.
> >
> > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday
> in
> > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.
> >
> > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be
> > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
> > refreshments.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up.
> >>
> >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but
> >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would
> >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an
> >> official body.
> >>
> >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us!
> >>
> >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events.  But I'll
> >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was
> >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a
> >> DAC (designed activity company(?))
> >>
> >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all
> >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on
> and
> >>> give your feedback when you're done.
> >>>
> >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
> >>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the
> >>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long,
> boring
> >>> process to get it all done.
> >>>
> >>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I
> >>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to
> allow
> >>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few
> questions
> >>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I
> >>> recall
> >>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM
> Ireland,
> >>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that
> ratio
> >>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally
> 

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Jeffrey Roe]

There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you
would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th.
An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host
you.  I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to
host if you wanted the 14th.
Jeffrey Roe,
www.tog.ie


On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list,
> Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead with
> this.
>
> Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay quiet
> and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to do
> everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an informal
> grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational
> interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its
> necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment about
> there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I feel
> there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place ( we
> are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).
>
> That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the mail
> list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as usual,
> the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think its
> best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single one,
> where several of us come together and blitz the main items:
>
> - Constitution
> - Memorandum of association
> - Articles of association
> - Interim board
> - etc etc
>
> What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the way
> there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for feedback,
> comment and to close out any remaining items.
>
> I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for this,
> say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a single
> day, to get a much larger group to participate.
>
> In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try organise
> some sponsorship of refreshments.
>
> Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday in
> Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.
>
> Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be
> able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
> refreshments.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:
>
>> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up.
>>
>> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but
>> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would
>> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an
>> official body.
>>
>> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us!
>>
>> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events.  But I'll
>> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was
>> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a
>> DAC (designed activity company(?))
>>
>> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all
>>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and
>>> give your feedback when you're done.
>>>
>>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
>>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the
>>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring
>>> process to get it all done.
>>>
>>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I
>>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow
>>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions
>>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I
>>> recall
>>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland,
>>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio
>>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally
>>> expected.
>>>
>>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an
>>> absolute minimum, could do the following
>>>
>>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation
>>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc.
>>> This
>>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even
>>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement
>>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple
>>> things
>>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure
>>> every
>>> new contributor's edits are 

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Dave Corley]

Hi all,

Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list,
Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead with
this.

Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay quiet
and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to do
everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an informal
grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational
interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its
necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment about
there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I feel
there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place ( we
are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).

That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the mail
list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as usual,
the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think its
best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single one,
where several of us come together and blitz the main items:

- Constitution
- Memorandum of association
- Articles of association
- Interim board
- etc etc

What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the way
there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for feedback,
comment and to close out any remaining items.

I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for this,
say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a single
day, to get a much larger group to participate.

In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try organise
some sponsorship of refreshments.

Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday in
Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.

Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be
able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
refreshments.

Dave

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:

> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up.
>
> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but
> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would
> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an
> official body.
>
> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us!
>
> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events.  But I'll
> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was
> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a
> DAC (designed activity company(?))
>
> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all
>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and
>> give your feedback when you're done.
>>
>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the
>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring
>> process to get it all done.
>>
>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I
>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow
>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions
>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I
>> recall
>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland,
>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio
>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally
>> expected.
>>
>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an
>> absolute minimum, could do the following
>>
>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation
>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc.
>> This
>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even
>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement
>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple
>> things
>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure
>> every
>> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc.
>> Basically,
>> just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with new
>> folks
>> in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason
>> why a
>> number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month period
>> if
>> this is done right.
>> - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of
>> open
>> data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a
>> signficant body of up-front work 

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Rory McCann]

I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up.

Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but
you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would
be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an
official body.

And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us!

Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events.  But I'll
help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was
originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a
DAC (designed activity company(?))

On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote:

Hi,

First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all
interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and
give your feedback when you're done.

Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the
starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring
process to get it all done.

Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I
contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow
for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions
specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I recall
correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland,
but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio
is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally
expected.

What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an
absolute minimum, could do the following

- Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation
around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. This
could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even
setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement
- Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple things
like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure every
new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc. Basically,
just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with new folks
in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason why a
number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month period if
this is done right.
- Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of open
data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a
signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, prioritising,
tools and import process).
- Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example doing a 1
month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors using Osmi or
keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland mapping
project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could have a real,
lasting impact on the map
- Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This doesn't need
to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would likely be one
day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going within 2
years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). There's
enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and academic folks
that is easily within reach.
- Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest
population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a location
outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night away where
we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the ground in a
town and get every street name, address, business and attraction all in one
day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few drinks.

In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to work on
them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the bag and
to avoid burnout.

Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM Ireland
should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally fine. It's
kind of the point of this email :)

With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am proposing is
the following

1. A meeting in early Sept  (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come
together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM Ireland. Note,
this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure and,
most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. research
whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal
requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc

2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the structure is
locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if required at
this point. Again, some people would need to 

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Tadeusz Cantwell]

Anything that reinvigorates the OSM in Ireland I am in favour of. Having an
immediate goal of setting up formal structures seems like a good short term
goal to reboot the informal organisation to via regular meetings and build
from that. Other then that most of what is being discussed is new to me.

Tadeusz

On 14 August 2017 at 17:13, Donal Hunt  wrote:

> I'm happy to support in any way possible. I'm based down in Cork so happy
> to support activities down this way as well as nationally.
>
> Keep us looped in regarding dates, etc (happy to travel / video conference
> for any meetups).
>
> Donal
>
> On 14 Aug 2017 07:33, "Martín Ferrari"  wrote:
>
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > On 13/08/17 21:52, Dave Corley wrote:
> >
> > > What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an
> > > absolute minimum, could do the following
> > [snip]
> >
> > Excuse me for the possibly dumb question.. But why is a legal entity
> > needed to achive any of these goals? Seems to me all of that could be
> > done as an informal group... Actually, I would say that there is no
> > point in setting a formal structure unless there is an already
> > functioning group.
> >
> > My 2¢.
> >
> > --
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Martín Ferrari]

Hi Dave,

On 13/08/17 21:52, Dave Corley wrote:

> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an
> absolute minimum, could do the following
[snip]

Excuse me for the possibly dumb question.. But why is a legal entity
needed to achive any of these goals? Seems to me all of that could be
done as an informal group... Actually, I would say that there is no
point in setting a formal structure unless there is an already
functioning group.

My 2¢.

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[OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot

[Dave Corley]

Hi,

First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all
interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on and
give your feedback when you're done.

Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the
starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, boring
process to get it all done.

Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I
contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to allow
for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few questions
specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I recall
correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM Ireland,
but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that ratio
is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally
expected.

What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an
absolute minimum, could do the following

   - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation
   around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. This
   could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just even
   setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great achievement
   - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple things
   like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure every
   new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc. Basically,
   just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with new folks
   in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason why a
   number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month period if
   this is done right.
   - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of open
   data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a
   signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, prioritising,
   tools and import process).
   - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example doing a 1
   month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors using Osmi or
   keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland mapping
   project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could have a real,
   lasting impact on the map
   - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This doesn't need
   to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would likely be one
   day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going within 2
   years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). There's
   enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and academic folks
   that is easily within reach.
   - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest
   population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a location
   outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night away where
   we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the ground in a
   town and get every street name, address, business and attraction all in one
   day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few drinks.

In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to work on
them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the bag and
to avoid burnout.

Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM Ireland
should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally fine. It's
kind of the point of this email :)

With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am proposing is
the following

1. A meeting in early Sept  (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come
together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM Ireland. Note,
this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure and,
most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. research
whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal
requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc

2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the structure is
locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if required at
this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on some tasks to
keep the process moving.

3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any last
elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional board
probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. Note,
this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM Ireland and
elections would be held at that first meeting.

4. Jan, get all the paperwork sent to whoever

5. TBD, once paperwork is approved by relevant bodies, agenda for first
general meeting to be determined and election process to begin

There you go. With a bit of luck, before the next round of green milkshakes
hits McDonalds, we would be a