Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Only if the lanes are marked as separate ways, which they normally wouldn't be for a narrow road. They should be, anything other than lanes=2 should be tagged properly, lanes=2 is implied as that is the usual case for most roads.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fw: Re: Wiki Spam

2009-08-26 Per discussione Erik Johansson
deleted ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
wynndale at lavabit.com writes: The new Bad data proposal is a scheme to mark traced aerial photography or maps as out of date or otherwise unreliable so that they can be obscured in editors and users don’t copy details into the OSM database reducing its accuracy.

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi wrote: Instead of calling it Bad data I would say it inaccurate or outdated data. Map data traced from Yahoo imagery is better than no data at all. But some common schema for tagging the quality of mapped features would be

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione Ondrej Novy
Hi, 2009/8/26 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Anything tagged source=yahoo* or source=landsat should be treated worst than source=survey and people should source the data properly otherwise others will assume the data was traced if hi-res imagery is available. are you sure? What about

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione James Livingston
On 26/08/2009, at 1:38 PM, John Smith wrote: I agree, we need more tags to describe the railway crossing's feature set, boom_gate=no, lights=no etc, however this is a special case for stop signs because they will exist either side of the junction and never applies to the railway line.

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione James Livingston
On 26/08/2009, at 1:10 AM, Lester Caine wrote: I think the point here is that of being able to see easily what has been applied to the data. Nodes and ways are easy to see, but this extra data is probably not so obvious as you would not know that a node ON the way actually has extra

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione Liz
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Ondrej Novy wrote: Anything tagged source=yahoo* or source=landsat should be treated worst than source=survey and people should source the data properly otherwise others will assume the data was traced if hi-res imagery is available. are you sure? What about really old

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Ondrej Novy n...@ondrej.org wrote: are you sure? What about really old survey and newest image from yahoo? :) It doesn't implied that yahoo is older then survey! New sat imagery isn't exactly new, Yahoo recently added hi-res imagery for an area near here, and the imagery

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: This brings up an interesting question, when you're finding the  nearest junction to use for stop key on a node, what counts as a  junction? It's going to be a node which belongs to the current way and  at least one other way

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: could we simply extend source=survey with a year and source=landsat similarly? source=survey09 source=landsat_trace09 source=yahoo_trace08 I'd seperate the information out into 2 key pairs: source=survey survey_date=20090826 or source

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione James Livingston
On 26/08/2009, at 7:31 PM, Liz wrote: we've had a lot of trouble in Au because group X decided that unmarked was landsat and they would mark survey, and group Y decided that unmarked was survey and they would mark landsat I take the approach that unmarked is landsat, yahoo, or something

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione Someoneelse
Ondrej Novy wrote: 2009/8/26 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com Anything tagged source=yahoo* or source=landsat should be treated worst than source=survey and people should source the data properly otherwise others will assume the data was traced if hi-res imagery is

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
: source=survey survey_date=20090826 or source=yahoo imagery_date=20070101 or just source:date=* some places i have been over so many times (like the road to canberra, the roads to adelaide, and the road to work) that the actual date is meaningless, but the last year i did the journey is we

[OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Lulu-Ann
There was a change on the highway key wiki page, that interferes with the concept presented here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Key%3Ahighwaydiff=317630oldid=317451 User Dieterdreist has changed the description so the highway tag is no longer used for the objective physical

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Liz
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: I also think we need a consensus that tag descriptions for tags that are used more than 100.000 times shall not be changed without a proposal. Regards Lulu-Ann it needs something stronger than a proposal which is why earlier this month we discussed

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Sybren A . Stüvel
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:23:22PM +0200, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: User Dieterdreist has changed the description so the highway tag is no longer used for the objective physical description but for a subjective feeling of importance. [...] I ask you to support the reverting of the unapproved

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: some places i have been over so many times (like the road to canberra, the roads to adelaide, and the road to work) that the actual date is meaningless, It's not meaningless, and if it changes just update the survey date. but

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: There was a change on the highway key wiki page, that interferes with the concept presented here. Have you read the following relevant thread on talk-de: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-August/052258.html Since both you and dieterdreist are

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione Ed Avis
Why tag survey date on every single object? Why not give survey date when uploading a changeset, and then the 'history' window displayed by most OSM editors could show it. That way it won't get out of date if someone else comes along and makes a change but omits to carefully update 'source' on

[OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione Peteris Krisjanis
Hi! Congracts everyone with amount of input OSM recieves this year. Volunteers join us every day and changesets grow in detaility and quality. However, there is one set back and those are two things - mapnik render and NameFinder. While mapnik slowly gains additional renders for POIs and stuff,

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione Liz
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Ed Avis wrote: Why tag survey date on every single object? Why not give survey date when uploading a changeset, and then the 'history' window displayed by most OSM editors could show it. That way it won't get out of date if someone else comes along and makes a change

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Lulu-Ann
Hi Frederik, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: There was a change on the highway key wiki page, that interferes with the concept presented here. Have you read the following relevant thread on talk-de: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-August/052258.html Since both you and

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione David Earl
On 26/08/2009 12:44, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Anyway, so far I have heard about two efforts of getting NameFinder running again. First one is just performance improvement for old one (done by David Earl) I have been trying to rebuild the index, but the first two attempts failed (well, the

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione Peteris Krisjanis
2009/8/26 Jonas Krückel o...@jonas-krueckel.de: Nestoria (Ed Freyfogle) also offered help for a new search/namefinder on SOTM. And Geocommons made their geocoding service open source. So maybe we should start a kind of working group who looks at all the offers and possibilities and then get

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione David Earl
On 26/08/2009 13:19, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: 2009/8/26 Jonas Krückel o...@jonas-krueckel.de: Nestoria (Ed Freyfogle) also offered help for a new search/namefinder on SOTM. And Geocommons made their geocoding service open source. So maybe we should start a kind of working group who looks at

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Why tag survey date on every single object?  Why not give survey date when uploading a changeset, and then the 'history' window displayed by most OSM editors could show it. So until editors update to include that info you could use the

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Lulu-Ann wrote: User Dieterdreist has changed the description so the highway tag is no longer used for the objective physical description but for a subjective feeling of importance. Millions of highway tags would need to be reviewed if this change without proposal and approval would become

[OSM-talk] Diary Spam, was: Wiki Spam

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: deleted There seems to be some diary spam too... http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lararefaeli/diary/7668 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Marc Schütz
Dieter and any other supporter of the concept is free to start a proposal to change the most important tag of all. But please stay in the common conventions for such an important change and give *all* users the chance to vote, and do not make changes on the wiki because of an agreement of few

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione Brian Quinion
running again. First one is just performance improvement for old one (done by David Earl) and second one is completely new effort (by Twain). The one I've been working on (suggestions for a name for the project gratefully received off list BTW) is mostly functional. I was expecting to open it

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione Tom Hughes
On 26/08/09 13:12, Jonas Krückel wrote: Nestoria (Ed Freyfogle) also offered help for a new search/namefinder on SOTM. And Geocommons made their geocoding service open source. So maybe we should start a kind of working group who looks at all the offers and possibilities and then get one

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Sybren A . Stüvel
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 02:39:12PM +0200, Marc Schütz wrote: But the point is that the users already have voted by the way they actually use the highway tag. What dieterdreist did was just change the wiki to match the reality, so that it is actually useful as a documentation. The wiki should

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, lulu-...@gmx.de wrote: Dieter and any other supporter of the concept is free to start a proposal to change the most important tag of all. But please stay in the common conventions for such an important change and give *all* users the chance to vote, and do not make changes on the wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione Jonas Krückel
Am 26.08.2009 um 14:49 schrieb Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: On 26/08/09 13:12, Jonas Krückel wrote: Nestoria (Ed Freyfogle) also offered help for a new search/namefinder on SOTM. And Geocommons made their geocoding service open source. So maybe we should start a kind of working group who

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, 2009/8/26 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: Anyway, so far I have heard about two efforts of getting NameFinder running again. First one is just performance improvement for old one (done by David Earl) and second one is completely new effort (by Twain). I started working on a different

[OSM-talk] Tagging vague, ill-defined, or unfriendly paths

2009-08-26 Per discussione Nick Whitelegg
I suppose this brings up all the stuff about path tagging again, but, how do people in general tag vague, ill-defined countryside paths? The sort of things I'm talking about are either very narrow and occasionally hard to follow paths through woods, or, firebreaks in forests where there is

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Jonas Krückel wrote: Yep, sorry, I don't know why i missed that list, David already gave me a hint know. I will subscribe asap. I'm not on that list either (yet) so let me continue abusing talk: There's also an OpenSearch Suggestion Service by Wolfram Schneider wsc...@googlemail.com

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Annette Thurow
Frederik wrote: I think that a discussion on the mailing list reaches more people than a proposal on the Wiki, so I don't see why the latter should be preferred ;-) The wiki workflow includes the talk list several time, for the rfc and for the start of voting, so the wiki process includes

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging vague, ill-defined, or unfriendly paths

2009-08-26 Per discussione Roland Olbricht
I suppose this brings up all the stuff about path tagging again, but, how do people in general tag vague, ill-defined countryside paths? The sort of things I'm talking about are either very narrow and occasionally hard to follow paths through woods, or, firebreaks in forests where there is

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging vague, ill-defined, or unfriendly paths

2009-08-26 Per discussione Peter Körner
I use http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=path/Examples and have concluded to use highway=path, wheelchair=no The first tag classifies the way as being an unpaved and small path while the second clarifies that you can't use it for anything on wheels. Are you sure?

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging vague, ill-defined, or unfriendly paths

2009-08-26 Per discussione Ben Laenen
Roland Olbricht wrote: I suppose this brings up all the stuff about path tagging again, but, how do people in general tag vague, ill-defined countryside paths? The sort of things I'm talking about are either very narrow and occasionally hard to follow paths through woods, or, firebreaks

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging vague, ill-defined, or unfriendly paths

2009-08-26 Per discussione Apollinaris Schoell
you may add a visibility tag, if it's rough terrain also sac_scale may apply http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility On 26 Aug 2009, at 7:25 , Nick Whitelegg wrote: I suppose this brings up all the stuff about path tagging again, but, how do people in general tag vague,

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Peter Körner
The wiki should not only match the reality, it should suggest proper behaviour to (new) users. Text like If a section of road in the US looks like a motorway then it can be tagged as a motorway without researching its funding sources or driving up and down the road looking for

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione Renaud MICHEL
Le mercredi 26 août 2009 à 09:56, John Smith a écrit : Anything tagged source=yahoo* or source=landsat should be treated worst than source=survey and people should source the data properly otherwise others will assume the data was traced if hi-res imagery is available. What does survey mean?

[OSM-talk] avp2wpt : audio/photo mapping utility

2009-08-26 Per discussione Gilles BONNARD
I just made this tool that I think can help for audio/photo mapping : It parses a gpx trace, scans a folder for audio/photo (and why not video) files, and creates waypoints accordingly. I have been looking for such a tool, and thought I would do it myself, since I couldnt find one. I decided to

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Renaud MICHEL r.h.michel+...@gmail.com wrote: What does survey mean? The page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source doesn't list that value. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Renaud Martinet
2009/8/26 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: The wiki should not only match the reality, it should suggest proper behaviour to (new) users. Text like     If a section of road in the US looks like a motorway then it can     be tagged as a motorway without researching its funding sources or

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Renaud Martinet wrote: I guess that the highway tag used to describe physical features of different types of roads back when OSM was quite UK-centric. Nope - UK highway tagging, which was of course the original, has always largely been aligned to administrative classifications.

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging vague, ill-defined, or unfriendly paths

2009-08-26 Per discussione Alex Mauer
On 08/26/2009 10:19 AM, Roland Olbricht wrote: I use http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=path/Examples and have concluded to use highway=path, wheelchair=no The first tag classifies the way as being an unpaved and small path... It does nothing of the sort. unpaved would require

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Mike Harris
There seem to be three issues here: 1. Vandalism - perhaps we'd have a better discussion without the emotive language. 2. Wiki vs mailing list: I use both - but the mailing list appears automatically in my in-tray every day and gets read whenever I have time to log on; the wiki seems to need me

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Mikel Maron
Thanks Mike, wise council. What I think we have here is a disagreement, a deep seated discussion which has been taking place over the entire history of the project, and in many forums. IMO, the wiki should reflect the current collective thinking. If the collective thinking is in disagreement,

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down

2009-08-26 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/25 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: I just tried to apply the 'architects' convention' of steps 'always' being from bottom to top. Then for unrelated reasons I reversed the way. Unlike 'oneway' this does not reverse the direction of the steps - i.e. the software doesn't know about

[OSM-talk] Is this OSM map used in an advertisement?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Alilo
Hello, I have seen an advertisement on german website mobile.de I made a screenshot: http://imgur.com/Rej1m Is the map on background from OSM? Ali ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] [voting] geological=palaeontological_site

2009-08-26 Per discussione marcellobil...@gmail
Deal all, voting is opened: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/geological=palaeontolog ical_site Best regards Marcello B. Proposal-RFC Start: 2009-08-12

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/26 lulu-...@gmx.de: Hi Lulu, I'm happy that you finally put your edits to this list. Actually before I was changing the page I was trying to involve as many contributors as possible. I not only posted on talk but also on talk-de and also on talk-it there was a note about this discussion.

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/26 Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com: Whatever historically the Tag:Highway page has recommended should continue to be the main recommendation, for the time being. Discussion on changes can take place in the Talk page, and in separate proposals. Tag:Highway can give  a general

Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione Elena of Valhalla
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: In Italy (at least in Rome) they are often engraved marble plates. Standard signs in italy are supposed to be black on white with a thin blue border, but there are still lots of old marble plates and even names

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:22 PM, James Livingstondoc...@mac.com wrote: On 26/08/2009, at 1:38 PM, John Smith wrote: This brings up an interesting question, when you're finding the nearest junction to use for stop key on a node, what counts as a junction? It's going to be a node which belongs

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/26 lulu-...@gmx.de: I counted 4 pro votes on the talk list - I do not consider this to be commen consensus. As Dieterdreist wrote himself, he considers his changes as a proposal. and there were no (0) Con-votes. There is (till now) no formal procedure to change the definition of a

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:31 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 26/8/09, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: If we are to use the stop key, I think those conditions will need to be explicitly spelt out, so that you can process the data. Which is tagging for routing

Re: [OSM-talk] Is this OSM map used in an advertisement?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 26 de Agosto de 2009, Alilo escribió: Hello, I have seen an advertisement on german website mobile.de I made a screenshot: http://imgur.com/Rej1m Is the map on background from OSM? Yep, it looks perfectly like a screenshot of the mapnik rendering at zoom level 6. I think

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the NameFinder

2009-08-26 Per discussione Brian Quinion
The one I've been working on (suggestions for a name for the project gratefully received off list BTW) is mostly functional.  I was expecting to open it for testing on the geocoding list some time next week when it has finished indexing the most recent planet import however given the timing

Re: [OSM-talk] Is this OSM map used in an advertisement?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/26 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: El Miércoles, 26 de Agosto de 2009, Alilo escribió: Hello, I have seen an advertisement on german website mobile.de I made a screenshot: http://imgur.com/Rej1m Is the map on background from OSM? Yep, it looks perfectly like a

Re: [OSM-talk] New proposal: Bad data

2009-08-26 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/26 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 26/08/2009, at 7:31 PM, Liz wrote: we've had a lot of trouble in Au because group X decided that unmarked was landsat and they would mark survey, and group Y decided that unmarked was survey and they would mark landsat I take the approach that

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
I thought we already discussed here on the talk mailing list a few weeks ago that highway=* is usually based on road importance in most countries? I know that that the change to the wiki was even announced here. So I'm quite surprised by the delayed contrary reaction. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at

Re: [OSM-talk] New dimension of vandalism

2009-08-26 Per discussione Mikel Maron
From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2009/8/26 Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com: Whatever historically the Tag:Highway page has recommended should continue to be the main recommendation, for the time being. Discussion on changes can take place in the Talk page, and in

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: You also seem to be saying that routing software should work out *for itself* which junction the stop sign applies to. I disagree - the mapper on the ground should be able to enter this information in the database. Then we

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: You also seem to be saying that routing software should work out *for itself* which junction the stop sign applies to. I disagree - the mapper on the

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: There are two important differences: 1) The meaning of a particular way or node is separate from the value of is_in. On the other hand, the meaning of a requirement to stop is NOT separate from knowledge of the junction to which

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:06 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: Besides why should you care about needing this explicit information, if it's rendered you will see a sign, you will also see the nearest junction and your mind can put 2 and 2 together. A computer can do the exact same

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: You're asking why should we tag things explicitly? Because we're building a database. A huge, complex database that's used by lots of That's just a straw man argument, you keep building the same thing up again and again but it

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:14 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, I asked you personally why you cared, why do you care, or how will it benefit you personally how a stop sign is marked? My apologies, I

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: My apologies, I misinterpreted your question why should you care about needing this explicit information. To answer your question, I do not care personally. It will not benefit me personally whatsoever how a stop sign is marked.

Re: [talk-au] Tentative data source - Sunshine Coast Council

2009-08-26 Per discussione Stephen Hope
2009/8/26 Jeff Price jeff.pr...@rocketmail.com: The council are also interested in correcting errors in their own data given that today they are largely corrected via public complaints and subsequent site surveys. If someone has some wizzy ideas on how to determine the difference between the

[talk-au] Navteq mapping AU

2009-08-26 Per discussione Matt White
Probably been looking at the quality of the OSM data... http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/cartech/mapping-australia-one-road-at-a-time-20090825-extj.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Liz
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Cosmic Charade wrote: OSM however is stalling woefully on my humble 2GB Atom powered Ubuntu netbook. Has anyone had any success with JOSM on such a platform? yes, but I use debian and xfce as desktop. however the screen is so small you need to learn about fullscreen, the

Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Wed, 26/8/09, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: I've RTFA ;) They aren't going to do all rural and remote towns like this, just cities. If they do do all rural/remote towns it will cost a lot of money and take a lot of time and effort and I don't see a commercial justification for it. I

Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU

2009-08-26 Per discussione James Livingston
On 26/08/2009, at 7:44 PM, John Smith wrote: One example given was do you search on google to rent a house, generally no one does, they use a specialist search engine that is built for rent listings. That reminds me of something I was wishing for a couple of months ago, trying to find a

Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU

2009-08-26 Per discussione Evan Sebire
In Switzerland they have a site called http://www.search.ch even though most of it is only available in German or French, like the wikipedia or weather integration. The real-estate map is great but they have not been able to get all the local companies to use their service.

Re: [talk-au] Navteq mapping AU

2009-08-26 Per discussione Evan Sebire
Forgot to mention that if you hover over a public swimming pool it even gives you the water temperature, something very important in Switzerland ;-) On Wednesday 26 Aug 2009 13:14:43 Evan Sebire wrote: In Switzerland they have a site called http://www.search.ch even though most of it is

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Cosmic Charade
Liz wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Cosmic Charade wrote: yes, but I use debian and xfce as desktop. however the screen is so small you need to learn about fullscreen, the keyboard shortcuts and see the optometrist as well I use Ubuntu with xfce so a similar setup but it runs like a dog on

Re: [talk-au] government-owned mapping company PSMA data

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Mike Smith mikesm...@dominoconsultant.org wrote: Has anybody explored the possibility of getting access to data from the Australian government owned mapping company PSMA? Link is here... http://www.psma.com.au/ I think most of us would be aware of PSMA, but I think any

[talk-au] Coastlines, was: Rivers

2009-08-26 Per discussione John Smith
Sorry to drag up this thread, but it's become relevant again. --- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au wrote: There is some contention where the coastline ends, and where the river begins. From a practical stand point, coastlines are treated differently to other similar ways in

Re: [Talk-de] Anfrage Geolocating

2009-08-26 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Michael Buege wrote: Folgende Anfrage ist bei mir eingegangen. Kann dem Manne jemand helfen? Geocoding gibts bei OpenRouteService und bei Cloudmade (also Adresse - lat/lon), und den Rest kann er sich mit OpenLayers selber dazubasteln (lassen) - eine plug play-Loesung fuer die

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-26 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Mittwoch, 26. August 2009 schrieb Peter Körner: Wir haben in unserem Ort eine Landsrtraße, welche kurvig mitten durch den Ortskern führt (aka Alzeyer/Mainzer/Wormser Straße). Zusätzlich gibt's eine Umgehungsstraße (aka Bahnstraße), jedoch nur als gut ausgebaute Ortsstraße definiert

Re: [Talk-de] Seebruecke = Pier ?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Falk Zscheile
Am 25. August 2009 22:15 schrieb Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de: Also: man_made=pier + access=... (für Landverkehr, so ne Art pedestrian area) + mooring=... (Anlegestellen, abschnittsweise für Seeverkehr) Dieser Vorschlag sorgt für Inkonsistenzen im vorhandenen Schema. Die haben wir zwar auch

Re: [Talk-de] Eiskaffee?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Peter Körner
fastfood waere das letzte, womit ich so eine eisdiele in verbindung bringen wuerde. warum nicht amenity=ice_cream? Weil du fast-food mit Hamburgern Pommes in verbindung bringst? Was ist mit dem China-Mitnehm-Imbiss - auch fast-food? Oder dem kleinen Pizza-Hut hier, der auch nur

Re: [Talk-de] Seebruecke = Pier ?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Falk Zscheile schrieb: man_made=pier + access=... (für Landverkehr, so ne Art pedestrian area) + mooring=... (Anlegestellen, abschnittsweise für Seeverkehr) Dieser Vorschlag sorgt für Inkonsistenzen im vorhandenen Schema. Die haben wir zwar auch an anderen Stellen, aber man muss sie ja

Re: [Talk-de] Anfrage Geolocating

2009-08-26 Per discussione Peter Körner
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hallo, Michael Buege wrote: Folgende Anfrage ist bei mir eingegangen. Kann dem Manne jemand helfen? Geocoding gibts bei OpenRouteService und bei Cloudmade (also Adresse - lat/lon), und den Rest kann er sich mit OpenLayers selber dazubasteln (lassen) - eine plug

Re: [Talk-de] Umgehungsstraße vs. Landstraße

2009-08-26 Per discussione Peter Körner
Hallo In deinem Fall scheint es mir so als könnte man einfach die Klassifizierung vertauschen. Interessant wäre dann noch, wie der normale Verkehrsfluss von Süd-Ost (L 414) aussieht. Gibt es da nennenswerten Verkehr nach Richtung Alzey? Jedenfalls sollte eine secondary auch nicht einfach

Re: [Talk-de] Eiskaffee?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Rainer Knaepper
Moin Georg, Moin, Rainer Knaepper schrieb: Moin Martin, restaurant ist daher auch in unserem Vorschlag nicht vorgesehen, wir sehen es als eine Untergruppe von café bzw. fast_food fast_food finde ich recht grenzwertig. In welchen Landstrichen bekommt man in Eiscafés was anderes als

Re: [Talk-de] Eiskaffee?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Martin Simon
Am 26. August 2009 09:34 schrieb Rainer Knaepper rain...@smial.prima.de: Mit fast_food=keine_Sitzgelegenheit zur Unterscheidung habe ich dann aber mal ein ernstes Problem. Soll ich alle die MacDoofs und BKs jetzt als Restaurant taggen? Sorry, da klappen sich mir die Fußnägel hoch. hehe... +1!

Re: [Talk-de] Doppelte Wege - Untersuchung

2009-08-26 Per discussione Steffen Wolf
Hallo doppelte Wegesucher, Andre Hinrichs schrieb vor einiger Zeit: Am Montag, den 17.08.2009, 11:31 +0200 schrieb Steffen Wolf: Was Euch noch fehlt, und da weiss ich auch keinen rechten Weg, ist die Moeglichkeit, die Beseitigungen einzutragen, d.h. die GPX-Datei zu kuerzen. Ich denke, es

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-26 Per discussione Martin Simon
Am 25. August 2009 23:54 schrieb Claudius Henrichs claudiu...@gmx.de: Zwei kleine Ergänzungen: - Statt aerialway ([Luft]seilbahnen) bitte aeroway Natürlich, so war's auch gemeint. :-) Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-26 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Martin Simon wrote: Gerade dort wäre es sinnvoll, mit einem eigenen Wert für Modellpisten unterhalb des Schlüssels aeroway zu arbeiten - gerade wenn, wie du schreibst, die Übergänge teils fließend sind. Der Unterschied wäre dann Der Platz hat zwei Landebahnen vs. der Platz hat eine

Re: [Talk-de] Eiskaffee?

2009-08-26 Per discussione Michael Kugelmann
Rainer Knaepper schrieb: Soll ich alle die MacDoofs und BKs jetzt als Restaurant taggen? Sorry, da klappen sich mir die Fußnägel hoch. McDo hatte ja früher mit dem Slogan Das etwas andere Restaurant geworben... ;-) MfG Michael. ___ Talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-26 Per discussione Michael Kugelmann
Garry schrieb: wie taggt man einen Modellflugplatz? Habe dazu nichts gefunden. [...] Es macht Sinn für die Startbahn ganz normal eine runway zu taggen, wie bei jedem anderen Flugzeug auch. Dies stellt sicher das sie auch in den bestehenden Anwendungen dargestellt werden - auch in

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-26 Per discussione Michael Kugelmann
Mirko Küster schrieb: Bring dafür meinetwegen etwas spezielles für den Modellflug auf den Weg. Das kann ja unter Aeroway bleiben. Oder besser noch unter Sport oder Freizeit. Aber erstens ist das absolut irritierend wenn ich in der Karte Minilandebahnen vorfinde die quasi breiter als lang

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-26 Per discussione Adiac
Am Mittwoch 26 August 2009 11:07:50 schrieb Michael Kugelmann: für mich ist klar, daß ein Modellflugplatz anders getaggt werden muß (!) als ein normaler Flugplatz - trotz aller luftverkehrstechnischen und sonstigen Vorschriften! +1 ___ Talk-de

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