Oliver Kuehn ist unser Mann in London. Herzlichen Glueckwunsch!
Hallo von meiner Seite,
vielen Dank für die Glückwünsche. Ich freue mich auf die anstehende Arbeit
im Board und auch die deutsche Community dort vertreten zu können.
Eines meiner Ziele ist ja die Kommunikation (zwischen Mappern,
Es geht nicht um rationalitaet - Das versuche ich dir ja gerade beizubiegen.
Rational mag das ja alles ganz toefte sein mit der neuen Lizenz - Auch wenn
ich
rational immer noch fuer PD/CC0 bin. Ich fuehle mich gezwungen - und wenn
man mich zwingt wehre ich mich - Und das Ergebniss ist da
Einmal wird gesagt Wir brauchen eine neue Lizenz, weil die aktuelle
ist untauglich. Dann sagt man aber gleichzeitig Zwar schützt die
Lizenz die Daten nicht, aber aus Gründen der Fairnes den Mappern
gegenüber tun wir trotzdem so als gäbe es doch Schutz und behandeln
alle Elemente nach einem
2. If you manage to do your pre-processing in a way that only mixes your
static network data with OSM, resulting in a data structure that
contains information like transit from stop X to stop Y possible for
these types of vehicles and so on, and then your router process, upon
startup, reads this
Hi Frederick,
However, in terms of ODbL the
route description they produce will be a produced work which is based on
a database derived from OSM
a derivative database that is only used to create a Produced Work is
excluded from the share-alike:
4.5 Limits of Share Alike. The requirements of
Hi Richard,
I would appreciate to find my hotel in Girona: Joan Maragall, 10 - 17002
Girona
Have a safe trip.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.971787mlon=2.783665zoom=18layers=B000FTF
that is the WRONG place. Entering the address in OSM leads to the wrong
place! There was too much
Would you stand for the sourceforge.net board and suggest that they
need to focus their efforts on only a few selective open-source
projects?
I am quite surprised by this comparison:
(a) sourcefourge is a tool that has nothing to do with the projects
themselves
(b) the projects are all
That's not to say the Foundation shouldn't be planning ahead, but
there's a big difference between that and trying to come up with a
vision. If we need a vision, a plan or anything like that (and
that's debatable anyway) then it's best for it to appear from the
bowels of the community, not be
As I said in my email it's
straightforward to make plans for the future without needing a goal.
These plans can, and should, be based on what's happening, and
therefore what we plan/expect will happen in the future.
Absolutely in regards to plans, I just said that it should be triggered and
I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely?
This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more
basic
understanding: I haven't seen a common understanding of the definition of
OSM's success. Where did you find the goal of a wider use? Wider use by
I
Some people might want to achieve a wider use for humanitarian
projects. Then address referencing won't help and a license change
won't change either. There needs to be common understanding of
the vision where OSM is seen in five years from now.
No, there doesn't.
You're talking about it as
The problem here is people are better off doing what they find
interesting, if they are forced, or feel forced to go in a certain
direction they may tire or become bored and loose interest entirely in
OSM.
If you understood that I say you should force or tell people what to map
then this is
I don't think that you can just say if the strategic goal is to be a
mainstream map and other uses are distractions from this goal. There
are plenty of people who do not have the goal of the mainstream map as
their main mission. For example the time I spend working on things
for HOT, I'm not
OpenStreetMap doesn't have a strategic goal; it's never had one.
How do you want to find the right licensing, funding and communication
approach (to avoid the word strategy) without having a strategic goal?
Regards,
Oliver
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But to reiterate: I'd love to have a PD-like license or as Richard has
said even better: I'd like anything that is non-share-alike. And I
don't agree with Oliver conclusion on what would happen (corporate
take over).
Interesting remark: the one says something like I want to have a Volkswagen
Some data is being released in Australia from governments under cc-by
licenses, and they would possibly benefit from OSM having a cc-by
compatible license, I'm sure some other donors would be in the same
boat.
If it is for the sake of compliance with licenses of data donors then there
will
What would make OSM successful in your eyes?
I thought one of the goals was to have OSM used more widely?
This is the right type of question but you need to create an even more basic
understanding: I haven't seen a common understanding of the definition of
OSM's success. Where did you find the
Are there strategic votes pro PD and/or negative to ODbL?
I am a strong supporter for the ODbL as I also mention in the last part of
my manifesto[1]
Regards,
Oliver
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oliver.kuehn/Manifesto
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Actually there is a 3rd option, some people prefer cc-by...
There are a few more options. Dual licensing like MySQL with a free
share-a-like and commercial non-share-alike would also be an option. And
there are many more.
The question is just what you want to achieve and then you should look
Hi,
als zweiter Kandidat möchte ich mich auch noch zu Wort melden und kurz mein
Manifest in deutsch bereitstellen.
Wie Frederick schreibt, denke ich auch, dass es gut wäre, wenn die deutsche
Community mit beiden Kandidaten ins Board einziehen würde. Die deutsche
Mailingliste ist mit Sicherheit
Hi,
as I am another candidate for the board election that runs from today until
July 9th I would like to append this post by my manifesto that represents my
view and thoughts on OpenStreetMap. A brief personal overview can be found
here [1].
I would also like to refer to the overview and
He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his
own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data?
One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing tools. An option
would be to create a blank database on top of the OSM data by using the OSM
tools.
What we're currently seeing is import mania,
poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM
because that's the easiest way for them to use it in conjunction with
OSM data. There is too much geodata in the world for this to be
sustainable - OSM must stick to things that mappers
Hello everybody,
I am still concerned that some business users cannot make use of
OpenStreetMap data because of the Share-Alike-rule as they don't want or
cannot share proprietary data. Personally, I am a big fan of the
Share-Alike-rule but I think there should be some exceptions.
I have the
I would like to know if we can use osm data + private data for commercial
use.
Example 1 :
i've a osm map and i sell the service; that a company can see a car fleet
on a map. Can i do that ?
Example 2/ :
i've a osm map on my own server, but because i've some private data and too
dangerous for
But the map of the industrial site is store in the same table/database as
for osm data.
I understand that you have a proprietary map of the industrial site. If you
just project it on the OpenStreetMap data then you do not have to make it
public. An analogy: The Yahoo satellite data are often
But I don't plan to license it, because i know that it will never go
outside, the only people who can see my data is my client.
Of course we would like to merge openstreetmap nodes and IDs with ours, and
use mapnik to render both of them at the same time.
The easiest way is if you create a
That's great! It's a useful way to present OSM and it demonstrates
growing popularity
I fully agree. I think we should ask them if we even can name them on the
OpenStreetMap web site as reference case (and we might kindly ask them at
the same time to put the attribution somemore in the
So, in summary:
- No attribution
- Is a derived work released under Copyright
I assume this hasn't been cleared and 'waived' by someone at OSM? Where can
we go from here?
I think that in cases where we can prove such a 'mistake' we should send
them a letter and clearly indicate their wrong
Dear Mr President, I've got this photo showing you in bed with another
man, here's my bank account where you can make a donation, in which case
will forget about it...
... unless I need more money later in which case I might again remember?
Honestly, what you're suggesting smacks of blackmail.
Hallo,
Der große Vorteil von OSM ist, dass die Daten zur freien
Verfügung stehen und dass sie erweiterbar sind.
Doch was kann man damit machen?
OpenStreetMap hat noch viel mehr Vorteile. Hier sind mal ein paar
aufgezählt:
- Aktualität: Änderungen können von dem einen auf den anderen Tag live
Hallo,
Ich finde es nicht besonders verlockend, irgendwelche Tracks von Taxis
und Müllautos zu bekommen (vor allem nicht in Deutschl.), da die
meiste Arbeit ja nicht das Tracksammeln ist, sondern die dazu
passenden Informationen zu dokumentieren und einzugeben. Reine Tracks
sind verglichen mit
1. Is it clear that a map tile is an image within the definition of a
Produced Work--a work (such as an image...) resulting from using the
whole or a Substantial part of the Contents?If not, what is the most
typical example of a Produced Work in the map context?
Consider a produced work of
What you're saying, basically, is that making a cake loses the (or some)
properties of the ingredients, thus a produced work; making a car
doesn't, thus not produced. (Of course making a car also entails
irreversible actions but let's ignore that for the moment.)
Transferred back to the map
You can certainly have a derived database that is not updateable (e.g.
simply drop all IDs).
That is true but you can have at least the negative conclusion: if it is
updatable then it is no Produced Work.
I initially thought it would take out most of the value but it is not
(completely) true.
gibt es in JOSM einen Schalter, mit dem ich die Maxspeed Färbung
ab- und anschalten kann?
Es gibt in den Einstellungen Karteneinstellungen die Option Stile zu
aktivieren und deaktivieren.
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n5083227/Karsteneinstellungen.jpg
Ich bin mir aber nicht ganz sicher, ob Du
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