[talk-ph] meet-up in Tacloban
Hi everyone, I will be in Tacloban for a night next week. If there are Tacloban mappers around, perhaps we can squeeze in a short geo-fellowship/drinks? Contact me offlist. Thanks! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 4 November 2012 02:06, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Saturday, November 3, 2012, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 04/11/12 07:24, Paul Johnson wrote: Would it be acceptable to use Street View to aid your memory of local knowledge of the ground truth? Something that's on the tip of your brain and you have actually been there, but can't remember what a specific sign said? Next time, write it down or take a photo. For now, either get written permission from Google that you can use Streetview to populate their main mapping competitor's database, or go and check, or wait for someone else to check. We have decided that we want to be whiter-than-white, and not tiptoe through a legal minefield. I understand that, but I mean as a memory aid for places you have actually been to. Here's something that Ed Parsons said in an email about Google StreetView usage in OSM: the relevant clause in the terms of service is.. 2(e) use the Products in a manner that gives you or any other person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content, including but not limited to numerical latitude or longitude coordinates, imagery, and visible map data; so checking the odd street names is OK.. but every street name I would suggest would represent a bulk feed. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] MapBox and OSM in Eclipse LocationTech
just got this URL from eclipse website http://live.eclipse.org/node/1176 any news will the mapbox work will be available in OSM , or just a propietary services in mapbox. thx -- Frans Thamura (曽志胜) Shadow Master and Lead Investor Meruvian. Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider. Mobile: +628557888699 Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id) FB: http://www.facebook.com/meruvian TW: http://www.twitter.com/meruvian / @meruvian Website: http://www.meruvian.org We grow because we share the same belief. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] MapBox and OSM in Eclipse LocationTech
Hi, This has been discussed on the dev list several times already, see for example: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2012-October/025746.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2012-October/025970.html Also see their blog: http://mapbox.com/osmdev/ Paweł ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: Unless Google has actually formally given OpenStreetMap a license to copy Street View for specific purposes, clearly stating the limits on what is or isn't allowed to be copied, we should not be copying Google Street View at all. We do not want any legally dubious data in the database. Again and again the same debate. We have to distinguish gmaps and street view. StreetView is just a collection of pictures. The street sign is not copyrighted by google, even if you see it through a copyrighted Google photo. And again, I will quote what Ed Parsons said to OSM : so checking the odd street names is OK.. but every street name I would suggest would represent a bulk feed. See the reference here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-April/057473.html Pieren Btw, tracing from Gmaps is different and is a copyright infringement. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
Am 04/nov/2012 um 00:48 schrieb Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com: Unless Google has actually formally given OpenStreetMap a license to copy Street View for specific purposes, clearly stating the limits on what is or isn't allowed to be copied, we should not be copying Google Street View at all. Btw.: interpreting an image and describing what you see has nothing or few to do with copying. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] MapBox and OSM in Eclipse LocationTech
it become headline in the eclipse live F -- Frans Thamura (曽志胜) Shadow Master and Lead Investor Meruvian. Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider. Mobile: +628557888699 Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id) FB: http://www.facebook.com/meruvian TW: http://www.twitter.com/meruvian / @meruvian Website: http://www.meruvian.org We grow because we share the same belief. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi, This has been discussed on the dev list several times already, see for example: http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/dev/2012-**October/025746.htmlhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2012-October/025746.html http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/dev/2012-**October/025970.htmlhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2012-October/025970.html Also see their blog: http://mapbox.com/osmdev/ Paweł __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 04/nov/2012 00:48 , Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com: Unless Google has actually formally given OpenStreetMap a license to copy Street View for specific purposes, clearly stating the limits on what is or isn't allowed to be copied, we should not be copying Google Andrew, On Streetview, we often see people in their garden. I suspect they dont give a license for their image to Google. The same with municipalities. I suspect they dont give Google a license for their street signs. Unless you can prove that Google have a license for that. ;) Pierre ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
In my opinion, copying from Google Street View is still a legally dubious thing to do. There is no formal licensing agreement with Google that I know of. It is perfectly fine to capture data by taking pictures yourself, but relying on Google Street View cars to take those pictures is legally dubious. Google Street View is often outdated anyway. Copying from Google Maps is clearly not allowed. I realize that we don't want to alienate users, but I think that OSM still needs to be strict about deleting contributions from legally dubious sources. Many new users simply don't realize that copying from Google is not allowed, and may have made many other contributions from legal sources (which will not be deleted). In other cases, users don't realize that there are sources that OSM is legitimately allowed to copy from - e.g. I have had to explain to users in Canada that copying road names from Google is not OK, but copying from Geobase and Canvec is perfectly acceptable. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 04/11/2012 16:48, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: In my opinion, copying from Google Street View is still a legally dubious thing to do. There is no formal licensing agreement with Google that I know of. It is perfectly fine to capture data by taking pictures yourself, but relying on Google Street View cars to take those pictures is legally dubious. Google Street View is often outdated anyway. Copying from Google Maps is clearly not allowed. I realize that we don't want to alienate users, but I think that OSM still needs to be strict about deleting contributions from legally dubious sources. Many new users simply don't realize that copying from Google is not allowed, and may have made many other contributions from legal sources (which will not be deleted). In other cases, users don't realize that there are sources that OSM is legitimately allowed to copy from - e.g. I have had to explain to users in Canada that copying road names from Google is not OK, but copying from Geobase and Canvec is perfectly acceptable. This is an interesting discussion about where to draw the line. To use one example: I could walk to the end of my street right now and look at the street sign; I could then do the same for all neighbouring roads in my locality. However, I could go to Google Street View and do the same thing. For simple pieces of factual data like that, obviously in the public domain before Google began to compile their own imagery, my gut feeling is that this is arguably OK to do in a pinch. Whilst not preferred, and 'trumpable' by another user submitting empirical observations, it's not a clear infringement of Google's cache of data as they never had exclusive access to the information prior to their own compilation efforts. You can obtain lists of street names from Royal Mail - heck, you can scrape them from PD mapping sources. The road network hasn't changed that dramatically in 100 years, save for trunk roads and infill in increasingly urban areas (IMO). However, 1:1 copying of complete topographical or road network information is far past the mark and also both a clear infringement of copyrighted materials and the licence under which access to said data is granted by the owner(s). If you copied Street View information wholesale, it's also a similarly clear infringement of licensed, copyrighted materials. Just the street names, however, isn't (on its own) a capital offence nor an obvious infringement of copyright. That all said, it shouldn't be encouraged as the sole source of information when compiling OSM maps - all it then does is further encourage laziness. What's absolutely clear as unallowable behaviour is for contributors to only rely upon road names from trad line-drawn maps, simply copying verbatim. Trap roads abound... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Vandalism at Estero Bay?
User Eraque22 asked on help.osm.org what the issue is with Estero Bay since no water was rendered there. I added a multipolygon to the existing multiple segments of natural=water (not created by Eraque22) so that the water started to get rendered and answered the question¹. The next thing I realised the rendering seemed to stop again. Then I saw the user had deleted all the natural=water ways and nearly all islands and started to draw them anew in mostly worse quality then before. Of course a lot is missing. I send him a message asking for the reason of the deletions. Though he was mapping all the time - as I realised the deletions, as I send the message and still two hours after I sent it - there was no answer. What to do? Hope he draws it all anew quite good? malenki ¹ https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/17440/disappearing-coastal-water Screenshot, grey lines are deleted data: http://malenki.ch/OSM/Bilder/2012-11-04_214311_scr_Estero_Bay_1.png Example for deletions: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2549516/history ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism at Estero Bay?
btw.: wouldn't this merit a natural=bay instead of the note=bay? cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 5 November 2012 07:20, Christopher Woods (IWD) chris...@infinitus.co.uk wrote: ... For simple pieces of factual data like that, obviously in the public domain before Google began to compile their own imagery, my gut feeling is that this is arguably OK to do in a pinch. ... And my gut feeling is that it is arguable that a organisation that has an army of lawyers, may construe that a million OSMers coordinating to use Google StreetView to build a competing mapping product is indeed a breach of its StreetView licence. But neither your gut feeling nor mine matters very much. We could both be wrong. Us playing amateur lawyers just doesn't advance the project. That's why the only position that makes sense (for anything less than 100% unencumbered public domain data) is to seek permission from the data owner or to go and do the survey. My feeling is that most OSMers would rather take the time, put in the effort, and make sure the result is free and open beyond question, rather than take shortcuts that put a shadow over our project. Ian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 4 November 2012 21:20, Christopher Woods (IWD) chris...@infinitus.co.uk wrote: On 04/11/2012 16:48, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: In my opinion, copying from Google Street View is still a legally dubious thing to do. There is no formal licensing agreement with Google that I know of. It is perfectly fine to capture data by taking pictures yourself, but relying on Google Street View cars to take those pictures is legally dubious. Google Street View is often outdated anyway. Copying from Google Maps is clearly not allowed. I realize that we don't want to alienate users, but I think that OSM still needs to be strict about deleting contributions from legally dubious sources. Many new users simply don't realize that copying from Google is not allowed, and may have made many other contributions from legal sources (which will not be deleted). In other cases, users don't realize that there are sources that OSM is legitimately allowed to copy from - e.g. I have had to explain to users in Canada that copying road names from Google is not OK, but copying from Geobase and Canvec is perfectly acceptable. This is an interesting discussion about where to draw the line. To use one example: I could walk to the end of my street right now and look at the street sign; I could then do the same for all neighbouring roads in my locality. However, I could go to Google Street View and do the same thing. For simple pieces of factual data like that, obviously in the public domain before Google began to compile their own imagery, my gut feeling is that this is arguably OK to do in a pinch. Whilst not preferred, and 'trumpable' by another user submitting empirical observations, it's not a clear infringement of Google's cache of data as they never had exclusive access to the information prior to their own compilation efforts. You can obtain lists of street names from Royal Mail - heck, you can scrape them from PD mapping sources. The road network hasn't changed that dramatically in 100 years, save for trunk roads and infill in increasingly urban areas (IMO). However, 1:1 copying of complete topographical or road network information is far past the mark and also both a clear infringement of copyrighted materials and the licence under which access to said data is granted by the owner(s). If you copied Street View information wholesale, it's also a similarly clear infringement of licensed, copyrighted materials. Just the street names, however, isn't (on its own) a capital offence nor an obvious infringement of copyright. It doesn't really matter whether the information is copyrightable. You can only access this information through the Google website and to use it you have to agree to the terms of use of that website, including agreeing that you wouldn't systematically extract data from it. I agree incompatible data should be removed from OSM but it makes no sense for a normal user to go around deleting it because they have no way to remove the information from the odbl database, which includes the history of edits. This can be done by redacting that data and the DWG currently has this ability. Also, as the beginning of this thread showed, a user is unlikely to know what licenses or agreements there are between the source and the OSM contributor. Cheer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] minutely update DB
Hello, I need to have a hourly or minutely up-to date DB of OSM. I found infos on how to do it, but one thing is not clear: I must keep the hole OSM DB uptodate and after extract the region i need? I need only Europe. Thanks for clarifying this for me. Ciprian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Data copied from Google Maps
On 2012-11-04 19:08, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2(e) use the Products in a manner that gives you or any other person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content, including but not limited to numerical latitude or longitude coordinates, imagery, and visible map data; so checking the odd street names is OK.. but every street name I would suggest would represent a bulk feed. let's say there are 100,000 people involved in OSM. each copies one name from google (so, not in her/his eyes a mass download). the OSM database then contains 100,000 pieces of data which are sourced from google. this then does constitute a mass access of data, and is definitely outside their terms and conditions. how do you know everyone else is not thinking the same thing as you, and checking the odd street names? and by the way, whoever it was using the phrase memory aid does not change what is happening. it is copying data whatever linguistic gymnastics you go through to try and justify it, and is thus not ok. as someone else said, you want the data, go collect it. -- robin http://fu.ac.nz - Auckland's Free University ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] MapBox and OSM in Eclipse LocationTech
On Nov 4, 2012, at 6:50 AM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: just got this URL from eclipse website http://live.eclipse.org/node/1176 any news will the mapbox work will be available in OSM , or just a propietary services in mapbox. Hey Frans - All work we're doing with Knight funding will directly go into the OSM ecosystem, ideally on openstreetmap.org. Right now we joined forces with the iD editor project [1] and focus most of our resources there. At the same time, we've been working on low-level improvements to the OSM.org UI [2] and a prototype UI [3] for the OpenStreetMap resurrection [4] branch. [1] https://github.com/systemed/iD [2] http://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website [3] https://github.com/ppawel/openstreetmap-watch-list [4] https://github.com/mapbox/owlviewer thx -- Frans Thamura (曽志胜) Shadow Master and Lead Investor Meruvian. Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider. Mobile: +628557888699 Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id) FB: http://www.facebook.com/meruvian TW: http://www.twitter.com/meruvian / @meruvian Website: http://www.meruvian.org We grow because we share the same belief. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] 4WD only tags
Hi David, although my opinion is that most render's try to simplify the the stylesheet so the map for ease of comprehension and would not make use of these additional attributes, I see your point and agree that it's useful data to have. Since my company focuses on 4WD maps and navigation, we will certainly take full advantage of this. BTW, do you have the link to the proposal page? Will go and cast a vote. Li. On 04/11/2012, at 2:41 PM, David Bannon wrote: Li, I beg to differ. While I agree that grading of a 4x4 track is subjective, so is much of the other data in the OSM database. Must be that way. The real issue is how important the data is. As I have mentioned, I am concerned that maps are being rendered that ignore this data. Routing engines are potentially sending people down roads that they, and their vehicles are ill suited to. Bad things will definitely happen. The routing people are saying but these tags don't even show on the OSM maps, why should we worry ?. And as to subjective, while there will always be borderline cases, I don't think it would be too hard to divide tracks up into - * 4x4 recommended - you will might be OK in a conventional car or (better still) an SUV but you have been warned. * 4x4 required - you really need a stock 4x4, a real one with (eg) low ratio. * 4x4 extreme - this is for the death or glory boys, they need experience and modified vehicles. This is a recent addition ! I am pretty sure that if you and I spent a couple of weeks having some driving fun, we'd agree on the vast majority of the tracks we graded. David - Original Message - From: Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com To: David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net Cc: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:08:22 +1100 Subject: 4WD only tags Hi David, just my 2 cents on 4WD_only tags. By adding a 4x4 recommended tag will add to the complexity because it's kind of subjective as to which roads/tracks are traversable in a 2WD vehicle, therefor adding another option for this key will further complicate the issue. Li. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] NSW Alphanumeric routes
The NSW RTA has a web site up on the new alphanumeric routes, including maps of the new routes. www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadprojects/projects/alpha_numeric/index.html I was wondering when we should update the route numbers to the new routes. Some have already been done, e.g. A41 (Bathurst to Albury via Mid Western and Olympic Highways) - the road signs for this went up several years ago (although some have since been coverplated). I am thinking that some would definitely be OK to do now (e.g. convert NR 32 (Great Western/Mitchell/Barrier Highways) to A32, as the number is similar) I'm not so sure about updating some other routes (e.g. Oxley Highway NR 34 becomes B56, Snowy Mountains Highway NR 18 becomes B72) - as the numbers are different, are these best left until the route number signs change on the ground? (Also, are we allowed to use the RTA web site as a source for an ODBL database like OSM?) Mark P. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections
By choosing to place traffic light not on the intersection node, you are failing to represent that this is an intersection of two roads, controlled by traffic signals. I don't see how it is failing to represent that - the intersection is there (the ways intersect at nodes), and there are traffic signals *before* the intersection (not smack-bang in the middle of the intersection) Instead you are choosing to represent There is a stop line here and traffic signal and further on there is an intersection. - but isn't that EXACTLY what we have - a stop line with a traffic signal, with an intersection further on ? - and if we were REALLY keen, the same *could* be done for single carriage way intersections (but I'm not suggesting that that is a sensible option) Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections
On 4 November 2012 20:58, Ian Steer ianst...@iinet.net.au wrote: By choosing to place traffic light not on the intersection node, you are failing to represent that this is an intersection of two roads, controlled by traffic signals. I don't see how it is failing to represent that - the intersection is there (the ways intersect at nodes), and there are traffic signals *before* the intersection (not smack-bang in the middle of the intersection) Because our current schema indicates that an intesection is controlled by signals by placing the traffic signals on the intersecting node. Traffic lights do occur before intersections or the immediate vicinity without controlling traffic movements through that intersection. It is a meaningful respresentation. In many North American cities the signals hang right in the centre of the intersection. Are you saying these should be mapped differently just because the lights are located in a different location? As far as the road user is concerned, they are the same. They don't care where the traffic signals are - they care there are lights at the corner of 6th and Vine. - and if we were REALLY keen, the same *could* be done for single carriage way intersections (but I'm not suggesting that that is a sensible option) Exactly. This is the clincher. Why on earth would you develop a schema that is only relevant to dual carriageways? When there is a schema that can respresent stop lines, signal locations, and intersection control across all junctions then I'm in. Until then, trying to vary the current schema in a way that is both ambigious, and only works for dual carriageways just doesn't fly, IMO. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] NSW Alphanumeric routes
Hi, The timetable for this rollout is from January to December 2013. So, if we do this now we could be making changes over a year before the signs change. I say, lets just wait for the implementation. I have faith in OSM to make the changes within a day of the coverplates being removed, and then the copyright issues don't come into play either, and navigation always corresponds to the signs. I also noticed on the RTA site a while back, they were saying that they were trying to work with map and data providers to provide timely and accurate updates. It certainly may be worthwhile sending them an email to see if we can take advantage of that, especially if we can get a timetable for the coverplate removal. Ian. On 4 November 2012 20:48, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: The NSW RTA has a web site up on the new alphanumeric routes, including maps of the new routes. www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadprojects/projects/alpha_numeric/index.html I was wondering when we should update the route numbers to the new routes. Some have already been done, e.g. A41 (Bathurst to Albury via Mid Western and Olympic Highways) - the road signs for this went up several years ago (although some have since been coverplated). I am thinking that some would definitely be OK to do now (e.g. convert NR 32 (Great Western/Mitchell/Barrier Highways) to A32, as the number is similar) I'm not so sure about updating some other routes (e.g. Oxley Highway NR 34 becomes B56, Snowy Mountains Highway NR 18 becomes B72) - as the numbers are different, are these best left until the route number signs change on the ground? (Also, are we allowed to use the RTA web site as a source for an ODBL database like OSM?) Mark P. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4WD only tags
Thanks Li, I have not put that proposal up yet, waiting on a response to a related matter. Soon. And when I do, I'll not be wanting just your vote, it will be your input I will really need ! Maybe I should put a draft up on my personal page while we wait ? David - Original Message - From: Li Xia To:David Bannon Cc:OSM Australian Talk List Sent:Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:37:52 +1100 Subject:Re: 4WD only tags Hi David, although my opinion is that most render's try to simplify the the stylesheet so the map for ease of comprehension and would not make use of these additional attributes, I see your point and agree that it's useful data to have. Since my company focuses on 4WD maps and navigation, we will certainly take full advantage of this. BTW, do you have the link to the proposal page? Will go and cast a vote. Li. On 04/11/2012, at 2:41 PM, David Bannon wrote: Li, I beg to differ. While I agree that grading of a 4x4 track is subjective, so is much of the other data in the OSM database. Must be that way. The real issue is how important the data is. As I have mentioned, I am concerned that maps are being rendered that ignore this data. Routing engines are potentially sending people down roads that they, and their vehicles are ill suited to. Bad things will definitely happen. The routing people are saying but these tags don't even show on the OSM maps, why should we worry ?. And as to subjective, while there will always be borderline cases, I don't think it would be too hard to divide tracks up into - * 4x4 recommended - you will might be OK in a conventional car or (better still) an SUV but you have been warned. * 4x4 required - you really need a stock 4x4, a real one with (eg) low ratio. * 4x4 extreme - this is for the death or glory boys, they need experience and modified vehicles. This is a recent addition ! I am pretty sure that if you and I spent a couple of weeks having some driving fun, we'd agree on the vast majority of the tracks we graded. David - Original Message - From: Li Xia To:David Bannon Cc:OSM Australian Talk List Sent:Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:08:22 +1100 Subject:4WD only tags Hi David, just my 2 cents on 4WD_only tags. By adding a 4x4 recommended tag will add to the complexity because it's kind of subjective as to which roads/tracks are traversable in a 2WD vehicle, therefor adding another option for this key will further complicate the issue. Li. Links: -- [1] mailto:lisxia1...@gmail.com [2] mailto:dban...@internode.on.net [3] mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] traffic lights on dual carriageway intersections
Ian Steer wrote I think this is good because no matter which way you go through the intersection, you only pass one set of lights (rather than 2 if they were placed on the actual intersecting nodes). Couldn't a smart traffic light counter detect dual carrageways and just add a single signal, same as the exit counter does for roundabouts? Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Preparing to map.
Sorry folks, I was having too much fun in Port Macquarie and only got to map for a short while. I did some roads near the racecourse although most of these were never named in OSM before. On my returm trip I will make a more determined effort to re-map the rest of Port Macquarie. I have made a decent start to mapping the Gold Coast and I'll do some more today hopefully. Cheers Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4WD only tags
No probs david, and you'll be getting plenty of input from me, watch out ;-) A draft would be great. Let me know when it's ready to review. Li. On 05/11/2012, at 9:10 AM, David Bannon wrote: Thanks Li, I have not put that proposal up yet, waiting on a response to a related matter. Soon. And when I do, I'll not be wanting just your vote, it will be your input I will really need ! Maybe I should put a draft up on my personal page while we wait ? David - Original Message - From: Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com To: David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net Cc: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:37:52 +1100 Subject: Re: 4WD only tags Hi David, although my opinion is that most render's try to simplify the the stylesheet so the map for ease of comprehension and would not make use of these additional attributes, I see your point and agree that it's useful data to have. Since my company focuses on 4WD maps and navigation, we will certainly take full advantage of this. BTW, do you have the link to the proposal page? Will go and cast a vote. Li. On 04/11/2012, at 2:41 PM, David Bannon wrote: Li, I beg to differ. While I agree that grading of a 4x4 track is subjective, so is much of the other data in the OSM database. Must be that way. The real issue is how important the data is. As I have mentioned, I am concerned that maps are being rendered that ignore this data. Routing engines are potentially sending people down roads that they, and their vehicles are ill suited to. Bad things will definitely happen. The routing people are saying but these tags don't even show on the OSM maps, why should we worry ?. And as to subjective, while there will always be borderline cases, I don't think it would be too hard to divide tracks up into - * 4x4 recommended - you will might be OK in a conventional car or (better still) an SUV but you have been warned. * 4x4 required - you really need a stock 4x4, a real one with (eg) low ratio. * 4x4 extreme - this is for the death or glory boys, they need experience and modified vehicles. This is a recent addition ! I am pretty sure that if you and I spent a couple of weeks having some driving fun, we'd agree on the vast majority of the tracks we graded. David - Original Message - From: Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com To: David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net Cc: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:08:22 +1100 Subject: 4WD only tags Hi David, just my 2 cents on 4WD_only tags. By adding a 4x4 recommended tag will add to the complexity because it's kind of subjective as to which roads/tracks are traversable in a 2WD vehicle, therefor adding another option for this key will further complicate the issue. Li. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Nova na lista
Eu tenho visto cada vez mais tutoriais e apresentações usando o mapeamento com imagens de satélite como exemplo. Nos primórdios isso não era visto com tão bons olhos, porque o projeto privilegiava o mapeamento com tracks GPS e coordenadas contribuídas pelos usuários e medidas in loco. Isso mudou? É que quase não vejo menções a essa orientação mais... Abração! --Maçan 2012/11/1 Wille wi...@wille.blog.br Olá, Rosedson Dê uma olhadinha nesse tutorial para descobrir como começar a mapear: http://wille.blog.br/wp-content/gallery/geral/osm-tutorial-pt_br.jpg abçs, On 01-11-2012 11:17, rosedson cesar molinari wrote: Saudações ao Grupo, Como começo a ajudar... Atenciosamente, Rosedson. -- *De:* Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.comopenstreet...@arlindopereira.com *Para:* OSM talk-br talk-br@openstreetmap.orgtalk-br@openstreetmap.org *Enviadas:* Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012 11:53 *Assunto:* Re: [Talk-br] Nova na lista Salve salve Yaso o/ []s Nighto Em 01/11/2012 07:27, Yasodara Cordova yasodara.cord...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá a todos escrevo para me apresentar: meu nome é Yaso sou designer e gostaria muito de contribuir com o OSM. Um abraço, -- ∞ http://yaso.eu/yaso.eu ∞ w3c.br http://w3c.br/ ∞ ingraxa.eu ∞ yaso.in **feelings are wireless** ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing listTalk-br@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Eduardo Marcel Maçan http://eduardo.macan.eng.br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Operation Cowboy - 23.-25.11
Am 03.11.2012 13:27, schrieb malenki: Matthias Meißer schrieb: 1. *FOSSGIS Sponsoring* Ich hatte die zwar kontaktiert, aber es kam keine Antwort. Könnte da jemand nachhaken, ob die ein zweites Mal noch etwas Geld für die Parties spenden könnten? Wenn nicht, würde jemand probieren (OSM-/GIS-)Firmen dafür zu gewinnen? (gerne auch das die selbst bei sich Parties veranstalten) Der FOSSGIS verwaltet auch Gelder, die für OSM an ihn gespendet oder sonstwie angewiesen werden. Daher würde der FOSSGIS nicht an OSM spenden, sondern OSM-Gelder für OSM-Zwecke herausgeben. Wer allerdings entscheidet, welche Sachen finanziert werden, kann ich dir nicht sagen. Das stimmt alles Thomas, nur bräuchten wir eben gerade jemand, der einfach noch mal probiert den Kontakt mit der FOSSGIS herzustellen (oder eben andere Sponsoren zu motivieren). Wenn das keiner machen will, ist ja auch nicht schlimm, dann bleibt es eben einfach :) Gruß, Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
@Manfred Reiter + Sven Geegus In meiner Brust schlagen zu den Differenzen zwischen Euch beiden 2 Herzen. Ich kann Euch beide verstehen. Vorschlag zur Güte, der sicher in abgewandelter Form auch für andere Listen denkbar wäre: Die Argumentation von Sven könnte in einer verbindlichen Form, ohne an Deutlichkeit einzubüssen aber ohne jemand vor den Kopf zu stoßen, als link dem Frager mitgeteilt werden. Eine Aufmunterung als Abschluss wäre dann noch toll. Es dient OSM letztendlich garnicht, wenn jemand sich verletzt fühlt. Haben wir doch nicht nötig, oder? Gruß Albrecht ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Poster - war Best of OSM-Websiete
On 02.11.2012 18:36, Alexander Lehner wrote: [...] Die Frage ist, auf welche Groesse man sowas drucken lassen kann sodass es noch gut aussieht. DIN-A0 waere schoen. Geht sowas? Ich war damals beim Erstellen unseres lokalisierten Flyers aber schon ueberrascht, welche hohe Aufloeung man bei Printmedien braucht, und dann kommen da auch ganz schoene Datenmengen zusammen. Danke fuer jegliche Vorschlaege - Ich habe ein Setup mit dem Karten mit einer dür den Druck geeigneten Auflösung erzeugt werden können. Das ganze ist aber noch sehr limitiert. Ich arbeite noch daran. Für das Gebiet um Landshut habe ich mal folgende Dateien erzeugt: http://www.lingner.eu/mydownloads/printmaps/print_landshut_mapserver.png (34MB) http://www.lingner.eu/mydownloads/printmaps/print_landshut_mapnik.png (50MB) http://www.lingner.eu/mydownloads/printmaps/print_landshut_hnb.png (48MB) Die dritte Karte ist der HikeBike-Stil. Allerdings ohne Overlay und ohne Hillshading. Obige Dateien habe ich für den Druck auf A0 mit 360dpi erstellt. Viele Grüße, Lars ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Hallo Albrecht, vielen Dank für den Versuch einer Vermittlung. Ich hatte einen Mailaustausch mit Sven, der allerdings aus meiner Sicht fruchtlos verlief. Trotzdem Danke! ... mal sehen, ob ich nochmals auf der ML posten werde und wenn dann muss ich überlegen, wie ich meine Fragen in Zukunft mit folgenden Sätzen beginnen muss ... vielleicht so ... Fragenbeginn Dies ist Frage ohne Hintergedanken, weil ich es nicht besser weiß. Ich erwarte von niemandem, dass er etwas programmiert sondern vielleicht lediglich einen Hinweis darauf wo ich mich schlau machen kann. Herr Geggus bitte überlesen Sie die Frage. Ich erwarte von Ihnen keine Antwort. /Fragenende mal sehen ;-) M. Am 4. November 2012 13:25 schrieb Albrecht Will albrecht.w...@online.de: @Manfred Reiter + Sven Geegus In meiner Brust schlagen zu den Differenzen zwischen Euch beiden 2 Herzen. Ich kann Euch beide verstehen. Vorschlag zur Güte, der sicher in abgewandelter Form auch für andere Listen denkbar wäre: Die Argumentation von Sven könnte in einer verbindlichen Form, ohne an Deutlichkeit einzubüssen aber ohne jemand vor den Kopf zu stoßen, als link dem Frager mitgeteilt werden. Eine Aufmunterung als Abschluss wäre dann noch toll. Es dient OSM letztendlich garnicht, wenn jemand sich verletzt fühlt. Haben wir doch nicht nötig, oder? Gruß Albrecht ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 120
Hallo, die Wochennotiz Nr. 120 mit allen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap Welt ist da: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2012/11/wochennotiz-nr-120/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Hallo Manfred, ich denke es ist allgemin besser eine klare Frage zu stellen, was du wissen willst. In diesem Fall statt: Warum gibts das nicht mit OSM/OSS? besser gefragt: Wie mache ich das mit OSM/OSS?. Auf deine Frage hat Sven objektiv zusammengefasst geantwortet Weils noch keiner gemacht hat, musst du also selber machen. Ist halt die Antwort auf die Frage. Das du das selber machen möchtest, aber keine Ahnung hast wie, geht aus deiner Mail nicht wirklich hervor. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Hallo Ich fände es auch schade, wenn diese Liste den Ruf bekäme, gehässig oder geschwätzig oder beides zu sein... Anderseits erhält man sicher genauere Auskunft, wenn man präziser fragt. Hinter der ursprünglichen Frage von Manfred steckt glaube ich nicht nur ein Webapplikations-Realisierungs-Problem sondern auch, dass Daten fehlen und dass geklärt werden muss, ob diese Daten überhaupt in OSM gehören. Ich stelle mir einen Bienenliebhaber-Verein vor, mit folgenden Bedürfnissen: Einerseits möchte er alle seine Mitglieder und deren Bienenhäuschen auf der Karte verorten, andererseits möchte er Bienenfreundliche Gegenden anzeigen. Ersteres ist mit den vielen Beispielen von OSM-Anwendungen einfach lösbar . Es ist höchstens ein Geocoding-Problem. Dazu habe ich hier etwas zusammengestellt [1]. Der zweite und eigentliche Anwendungsfall ist etwas komplizierter: Wenn es Sinn macht, einen bee-friendly Tag anzubringen, dann würde ich schauen, wie das die Wheelmap-Leute gelöst haben (u.a. mit Ruby). Wenn man aber zum Schluss kommt, dass die Daten eher nicht in OSM gehören, so könnte OSM immer noch genutzt werden. Die Beziehung von OpenStreetMap (OSM) und externen Datenbanken, bzw. weitere Gemeinschaften (wie diese) interessiert mich. Ich habe hier [3] einige Verknüpfungsmöglichkeiten aufzuzeigen versucht [3]. Gruss, Stefan [1] http://giswiki.hsr.ch/Geocoding [2] http://wheelmap.org/ [3] http://giswiki.hsr.ch/OpenStreetMap_und_externe_Datenbanken Am 4. November 2012 15:45 schrieb Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de: Hallo Manfred, ich denke es ist allgemin besser eine klare Frage zu stellen, was du wissen willst. In diesem Fall statt: Warum gibts das nicht mit OSM/OSS? besser gefragt: Wie mache ich das mit OSM/OSS?. Auf deine Frage hat Sven objektiv zusammengefasst geantwortet Weils noch keiner gemacht hat, musst du also selber machen. Ist halt die Antwort auf die Frage. Das du das selber machen möchtest, aber keine Ahnung hast wie, geht aus deiner Mail nicht wirklich hervor. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de wrote: ich denke es ist allgemin besser eine klare Frage zu stellen, was du wissen willst. In diesem Fall statt: Warum gibts das nicht mit OSM/OSS? besser gefragt: Wie mache ich das mit OSM/OSS?. Genau das habe ich Manfred per PM geschrieben. Ein Sprichwort sagt: Wie man in den Wald reinschreit so hallt es heraus. Wäre da gestanden Kann man sowas auch mit Openlayers/Leaflet machen wäre meine Antwort sicher nicht so ausgefallen. Gruss Sven -- Das Internet wird vor allem von Leuten genutzt, die sich Pornografie ansehen, während sie Bier trinken, es ist daher für Wahlen nicht geeignet (Jaroslaw Kaczynski) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] wie machen die das?
Am 4. November 2012 17:32 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de wrote: ich denke es ist allgemin besser eine klare Frage zu stellen, was du wissen willst. In diesem Fall statt: Warum gibts das nicht mit OSM/OSS? besser gefragt: Wie mache ich das mit OSM/OSS?. Genau das habe ich Manfred per PM geschrieben. Ein Sprichwort sagt: Wie man in den Wald reinschreit so hallt es heraus. Wäre da gestanden Kann man sowas auch mit Openlayers/Leaflet machen wäre meine Antwort sicher nicht so ausgefallen. wenn die Diskussion dann hier doch noch weitergeführt werden soll, dann darf ich auch aus meiner Antwort zitieren: Wenn da gestanden hat geht sowas auch mit Openlayers/Leaflet oder so hätte ich sicher keine solche Antwort geschrieben. Wenn ich diesen Lösungsansatz gesehen hätte, dann hätte ich auch sicher danach gefragt. Ich bin Newbie in dem ganzen OSM Geschäft, entdecke jeden Tag -zig Neuigkeiten, mit den man sich auseinander setzen kann/muss. Was hätte es Dich gekostet Openlayers/Leaflet zu schreiben? 17 Zeichen. Mir wäre geholfen gewesen. @Seven: Im übrigen verbitte ich mir Deine Aussage, dass ich geschrieen haben sollte. Das ist nicht mein Stil - und auch nicht der Stil in meinem Umfeld. Für mich ist das Thema beendet. M. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Operation Cowboy - 23.-25.11
Matthias Meißer schrieb: Das stimmt alles Thomas, nur bräuchten wir eben gerade jemand, der einfach noch mal probiert den Kontakt mit der FOSSGIS herzustellen (oder eben andere Sponsoren zu motivieren). Wenn das keiner machen will, ist ja auch nicht schlimm, dann bleibt es eben einfach :) Lass dich doch nicht entmutigen, wenn auf eine Mail (ich vermute mal, dass das deine Kontaktaufnahme war) keine Reaktion erfolgt. Im Impressum des FOSSGIS ist steht auch eine Telefonnummer. In einem Gespräch lässt sich ein Sachverhalt oft leichter klären als per Mail. Die kann etlichen Unwägbarkeiten, nicht zuletzt Spamfiltern zum Opfer fallen. Mir ging es mal ähnlich. Grund für die Verzögerung war der gerade stattfindende Umzug des vollzeitarbeitenden, ehrenamtlichen Vereinsvorsitzes. Gruß Thomas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wasserpfeifen Lounge taggen
Am 03.11.2012 20:57, schrieb Jimmy_K: Gibt es noch nicht viele eingetragenen. Am ehesten findet man noch die Eintragungskombination Amenity=bar; shisha=yes (oder in Amerika hookah=yes). Drückt es halt generell ein wenig schlecht aus. Verglichen mit Smoking=yes, würde es nur bedeuten, dass sie erlaubt wären, nicht aber, dass sie angeboten werden. Ja, die Lösung ist nicht optimal. Hatte gehofft, das es, ähnlich wie bei restaurant mit cuisine, etwas gibt, mit dem man so etwas darstellen kann. Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Operation Cowboy - 23.-25.11
Am 04.11.2012 20:55, schrieb malenki: Matthias Meißer schrieb: Das stimmt alles Thomas, nur bräuchten wir eben gerade jemand, der einfach noch mal probiert den Kontakt mit der FOSSGIS herzustellen (oder eben andere Sponsoren zu motivieren). Wenn das keiner machen will, ist ja auch nicht schlimm, dann bleibt es eben einfach:) Lass dich doch nicht entmutigen, wenn auf eine Mail (ich vermute mal, dass das deine Kontaktaufnahme war) keine Reaktion erfolgt. Im Impressum des FOSSGIS ist steht auch eine Telefonnummer. In einem Gespräch lässt sich ein Sachverhalt oft leichter klären als per Mail. Die kann etlichen Unwägbarkeiten, nicht zuletzt Spamfiltern zum Opfer fallen. Das ist ja auch alles menschlich und deshalb auch nicht schlimm. Allerdings fehlt mir selbst da echt die Zeit. So nebenbei eine globale Sache anstoßen läuft ja auch nicht mal eben so ;) Von daher würde ich mich wie in der ersten Mail schon gesagt, sehr über Unterstützung freuen, zumal das dann einfach auch basisdemokratischer ist. Gruß, Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wasserpfeifen Lounge taggen
Am 4. November 2012 21:56 schrieb René Falk li...@falconaerie.de: Am 03.11.2012 20:57, schrieb Jimmy_K: Gibt es noch nicht viele eingetragenen. Am ehesten findet man noch die Eintragungskombination Amenity=bar; shisha=yes (oder in Amerika hookah=yes). Drückt es halt generell ein wenig schlecht aus. Verglichen mit Smoking=yes, würde es nur bedeuten, dass sie erlaubt wären, nicht aber, dass sie angeboten werden. Ja, die Lösung ist nicht optimal. Hatte gehofft, das es, ähnlich wie bei restaurant mit cuisine, etwas gibt, mit dem man so etwas darstellen kann. rent:shisha=yes (wenn eine Ausleihgebühr erhoben wird) ? Man kann aber shisha=yes auch durchaus so definieren, dass es bedeutet, dass sie angeboten werden, ohne dass man an der Bedeutung von z.B. smoking=yes oder dispensing=yes oder fee=yes drehen müsste (die letzten beiden bedeuten ja auch nicht, dass dispensing oder fee erlaubt sind). Gruß Martin Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Poster - war Best of OSM-Websiete
On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, Lars Lingner wrote: On 02.11.2012 18:36, Alexander Lehner wrote: [...] Die Frage ist, auf welche Groesse man sowas drucken lassen kann sodass es noch gut aussieht. DIN-A0 waere schoen. Geht sowas? Ich war damals beim Erstellen unseres lokalisierten Flyers aber schon ueberrascht, welche hohe Aufloeung man bei Printmedien braucht, und dann kommen da auch ganz schoene Datenmengen zusammen. Danke fuer jegliche Vorschlaege - Ich habe ein Setup mit dem Karten mit einer dür den Druck geeigneten Auflösung erzeugt werden können. Das ganze ist aber noch sehr limitiert. Ich arbeite noch daran. Für das Gebiet um Landshut habe ich mal folgende Dateien erzeugt: http://www.lingner.eu/mydownloads/printmaps/print_landshut_mapserver.png (34MB) http://www.lingner.eu/mydownloads/printmaps/print_landshut_mapnik.png (50MB) http://www.lingner.eu/mydownloads/printmaps/print_landshut_hnb.png (48MB) Die dritte Karte ist der HikeBike-Stil. Allerdings ohne Overlay und ohne Hillshading. Obige Dateien habe ich für den Druck auf A0 mit 360dpi erstellt. Super cool! Vielen Dank, dass Du Dir die Muehe gemacht hast, von LA gleich 3 Bitmaps zu erzeugen. Ich habe heut den ganzen Tag etwas rumgedoktert und schreibe mal etwas Feedback zusammen: * Ca 50 MB fuer eine DIN-A0 Seite fand ich gar nicht so tragisch. Ich wollte sie ausdrucken auf 4x4 DIN-A4 Seiten. Das war allerdings nicht so einfach, saemtliche Standard-Tools und Software haben ihren Dienst verweigert oder konnten das nicht richtig. Also bin ich reumuetig zum Shell-Skript und ImageMagick zurueckgekehrt, nach einer Stunde war das erledigt. Ein Foto der Ausdrucke gibt es hier zu sehen: http://pub.edvbl.dyndns.org/img_4246.jpg * Das Gebiet, das mich interessiert, ist schwarz umrandet. Es ist nur ein Viertel der gesamten Flaeche. Und gleichzeitig sieht man, dass eine 4-fache Vergroesserung v.a. der Schrift notwendig waere, um etwas zu erkennen. Fotografiert aus Augenhoehe, also ca 2m, das ist wohl auch in etwa die Distanz, die z.B. ein Wanderer eine fest installierte Karte dieser Groesse betrachten wuerde. * Druckt man das ganze mit 72DPI (statt 360) aus, passen die Verhaeltnisse eigentlich, vielleicht waere das fuer diesen Zweck der praktischere Ansatz. * Zu den Overlays: Das Hillshading ist natuerlich super-schick, gerade fuer Outdoor Sachen. Das koennte ich wohl aber selber hinkriegen, v.a. weil die ja nur bis zu einer gewissen Detailstufe Daten liefern. Ist also mehr eine Bildverarbeitungssache. Die HikeBike Routen haette ich schon gerne drin. Ich weiss aber nicht, inwieweit sich das in dem Rendering Prozess integrieren laesst. Denkbar waere ja evtl, die Daten ueber die Overpass API zu extrahieren. Da koennte ich mich mal umsehen. Danke auf jeden Fall nochmal fuer Deine Bemuehungen, vielleicht kommt ja was neues dabei raus! A. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Poster - war Best of OSM-Websiete
Alexander Lehner wrote: * Das Gebiet, das mich interessiert, ist schwarz umrandet. Es ist nur ein Viertel der gesamten Flaeche. Und gleichzeitig sieht man, dass eine 4-fache Vergroesserung v.a. der Schrift notwendig waere, um etwas zu erkennen. Fotografiert aus Augenhoehe, also ca 2m, das ist wohl auch in etwa die Distanz, die z.B. ein Wanderer eine fest installierte Karte dieser Groesse betrachten wuerde. Du musst die Karte im gewünschten Zoomfaktor nach SVG rendern. Also in dem Zoofaktor, in dem dir die Verhältnisse gut gefallen und auch die Schrift gut lesbar ist. Dann das SVG auf die gewünschte Größe aufblasen (dank Vektorgrafik läuft das dann verlustfrei). Tipp kam AFAIR damals von Frederik. Ist also nicht von mir. Ich habe nach dem Schema bereits ein Poster gedruckt. War damals bei einer Jubiläumsfeier zentraler Bestandteil einer Fotoausstellung. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Il 04/11/2012 0.16, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: È un Import (ma non è un import automatico). Lo è perchè non hai creato tu il dato, ma l'hai copiato da qualcun altro, che tiene i diritti. Ho capito, Martin, ma è questo il tipo di import per cui sono state create tutte quelle regole? Secondo me no. Che differenza c'è (a parte la maggiore correttezza dei dati) tra ricalcare tutti gli edifici di un comune dal PCN e importare, controllando gli edifici uno per uno, i dati rilasciati dal comune/provincia/regione? A mio avviso, nessuna. Eppure la prima attività posso farla con il mio account, mentre per la seconda devo crearmene uno apposito... -- Ciao Sky One ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Dubbio relazione boundary
Allora vado di outer per tutti i membri. Grazie per l'aiuto. Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Credo che l'unica differenza sia legata a problemi di futuri cambi licenza: gli import vengono considerati come attività automatiche, simili a quelle eseguite dai bot. Non avrebbero voce in caso di future ipotetiche modifiche alla licenza. Se la mia ipotesi fosse sbagliata, allora non ci sarebbero motivi validi per aprire un account dedicato. Viceversa, se la mia ipotesi fosse esatta, allora sarebbe il caso di lasciar perdere questo progetto e dedicarsi a qualcosaltro. Ciao /niubii/ Il giorno 04/nov/2012 08:59, Sky One sky...@skyone.it ha scritto: Il 04/11/2012 0.16, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: È un Import (ma non è un import automatico). Lo è perchè non hai creato tu il dato, ma l'hai copiato da qualcun altro, che tiene i diritti. Ho capito, Martin, ma è questo il tipo di import per cui sono state create tutte quelle regole? Secondo me no. Che differenza c'è (a parte la maggiore correttezza dei dati) tra ricalcare tutti gli edifici di un comune dal PCN e importare, controllando gli edifici uno per uno, i dati rilasciati dal comune/provincia/regione? A mio avviso, nessuna. Eppure la prima attività posso farla con il mio account, mentre per la seconda devo crearmene uno apposito... -- Ciao Sky One __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Non credo che la ragione di account dedicati agli import sia da ricercare nella gestione degli stessi in casi di futuri (?!) cambi di licenza. O almeno non solo.. la logica dovrebbe essere nella maggiore facilità di revert o correzioni in caso di attività pianificate male o al limite del vandalismo. Ripeto: imho creare un doppio user non é poi un grosso problema, e francamente non mi dispiace che qualcuno controlli (a campione?) le attività su editing automatico e massivo che avvengono sulla mappa. Poi é chiaro che il tono dell'email potrebbe essere un pò più soft, ma questo é un altro discorso.. :) Gianmario Mengozzi sent by GNexus Il giorno 04/nov/2012 09:22, Francesco Pelullo f.pelu...@gmail.com ha scritto: Credo che l'unica differenza sia legata a problemi di futuri cambi licenza: gli import vengono considerati come attività automatiche, simili a quelle eseguite dai bot. Non avrebbero voce in caso di future ipotetiche modifiche alla licenza. Se la mia ipotesi fosse sbagliata, allora non ci sarebbero motivi validi per aprire un account dedicato. Viceversa, se la mia ipotesi fosse esatta, allora sarebbe il caso di lasciar perdere questo progetto e dedicarsi a qualcosaltro. Ciao /niubii/ Il giorno 04/nov/2012 08:59, Sky One sky...@skyone.it ha scritto: Il 04/11/2012 0.16, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: È un Import (ma non è un import automatico). Lo è perchè non hai creato tu il dato, ma l'hai copiato da qualcun altro, che tiene i diritti. Ho capito, Martin, ma è questo il tipo di import per cui sono state create tutte quelle regole? Secondo me no. Che differenza c'è (a parte la maggiore correttezza dei dati) tra ricalcare tutti gli edifici di un comune dal PCN e importare, controllando gli edifici uno per uno, i dati rilasciati dal comune/provincia/regione? A mio avviso, nessuna. Eppure la prima attività posso farla con il mio account, mentre per la seconda devo crearmene uno apposito... -- Ciao Sky One __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Il 04/11/2012 00:12, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: Am 03/nov/2012 um 23:28 schrieb Leonardo kinetocor...@gmail.com: l'unica cosa che ho fatto è stato cambiare il mio nickname da DarkSwan a DarkSwan_Import, continuando comunque a usare quell'account anche per il mapping locale e i piccoli fix. Quindi se si dovesse un'altra volta decidere di cambiare la licenza, per esempio in PD, nel caso che le condizioni dei dati importati da te non fosseri compatibili (per esempio richiedono attribuzione), saranno cancellati anche i tuoi contributi originali... Al meno che non sarai in grado di distinguere i vari changesets. Quando nel changeset viene messo il tag source (intendo proprio come etichetta del changeset, come per esempio qui [1]...) allora è molto semplice distinguerlo dagli altri. Il 04/11/2012 09:57, Gianmario Mengozzi ha scritto: Non credo che la ragione di account dedicati agli import sia da ricercare nella gestione degli stessi in casi di futuri (?!) cambi di licenza. O almeno non solo.. la logica dovrebbe essere nella maggiore facilità di revert o correzioni in caso di attività pianificate male o al limite del vandalismo. Ripeto: imho creare un doppio user non é poi un grosso problema, e francamente non mi dispiace che qualcuno controlli (a campione?) le attività su editing automatico e massivo che avvengono sulla mappa. Non vedo perché dovrebbe essere più semplice fare un revert di un changeset caricato da un account dedicato; una volta che si sa qual è il changeset da rimuovere che sia stato inserito da un utente normale o da un account apposito non cambia nulla. Se invece si tratta di rimuovere in toto i dati derivanti da un determinato import allora è sicuramente più semplice la procedura in caso di account dedicato. Anche in questo caso però, non sarebbe tanto complesso nemmeno recuperare i changeset con un determinato tag source caricati dall'account normale (se poi magari sul wiki c'è la lista dei changeset si fa ancora prima)... Nella linee guida per l'import spiegano che l'uso dell'account dedicato serve anche per l'attribuzione, dunque 1 account = 1 dataset. Il che vuol dire, per esempio, che come minimo qui in Veneto dovremmo avere 3 account a testa (normale, dati regionali, dati ARPAV), sempre che non sia necessario avere account diversi per differenti dataset rilasciati dallo stesso ente (in tal caso mi sa che alcuni potrebbero arrivare a gestire una dozzina di account, con relativi svariati indirizzi e-mail, a meno di aver gmail e poter usare il trucchetto del +). Che poi quando il lavoro di importazione è distribuito tra vari utenti l'associazione più che 1 account = 1 dataset è svariati account = 1 dataset. Sempre per quanto riguarda l'attribuzione: sul wiki fanno giustamente notare che mettere il tag source sugli oggetti appesantisce il database ed in più si corre il rischio che il tag venga rimosso dal nodo, e per questo suggeriscono di mettere l'attribuzione sulla pagina dell'account dedicato. Forse non hanno pensato che la soluzione migliore è in realtà mettere il source sul changeset (svariati utenti = 1 tag source unico = 1 dataset)... ciao Paolo M [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13705657 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] messaggio da: d...@osmfoundation.org
Am 04/nov/2012 um 08:58 schrieb Sky One sky...@skyone.it: Che differenza c'è (a parte la maggiore correttezza dei dati) tra ricalcare tutti gli edifici di un comune dal PCN e importare, controllando gli edifici uno per uno, i dati rilasciati dal comune/provincia/regione? La differenza sta nella licenza. Un dato creato da te e tuo. Se invece la licenza da dove hai preso non è dominio pubblico il dato non è tuo. Dividere gli edits secondo chi è il proprietario ha senso secondome Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Area sosta Nomadi
Mi trovo a cercare tag per la zona dedicata alla sosta Nomadi. turism_=caravan_site non mi sembra il più adatto. Beppe ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Area sosta Nomadi
Il 04/11/2012 19:00, Giuseppe Amici ha scritto: Mi trovo a cercare tag per la zona dedicata alla sosta Nomadi. turism_=caravan_site non mi sembra il più adatto. Beppe ci potrebbe anche stare ma il tag turism presuppone che chi ha un camper possa accedere a tale area e sostare, mentre invece l'area è riservata alla sosta di un determinato gruppo di persone. Non so come aiutarti per ora. -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Area sosta Nomadi
2012/11/4 Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it Mi trovo a cercare tag per la zona dedicata alla sosta Nomadi. turism_=caravan_site landuse=residential? Dopotutto è effettivamente un'area destinata (da delibere comunali) ad uso residenziale Poi eventualmente name=... Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] pulizia sentieri
Buonasera, mi chiamo Pietro e mappo in basso Trentino, zona di Rovereto. Nella mia zona i sentieri principali sono tutti mappati su OSM. Mi sto occupando di cercare e mappare sentieri minori. Molto spesso si tratta di percorsi che non sono più frequentati, o lo sono molto poco, perché una strada permette di raggiungere in automobile la loro destinazione. In alcuni casi questi sentieri, pur essendo ben visibili, sono parzialmente ostruiti dalla vegetazione o da pietre cadute sul loro tracciato e seguirli non è del tutto semplice. Esiste un tag che si possa utilizzare per descrivere questa situazione? In alcuni casi ho utilizzato trail_visibility, ma in realtà il sentiero è ben riconoscibile, è solo difficile da percorrere a causa degli ostacoli che vi si trovano. Saluti Pietro___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Area sosta Nomadi
2012/11/4 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: 2012/11/4 Giuseppe Amici giuseppeam...@virgilio.it Mi trovo a cercare tag per la zona dedicata alla sosta Nomadi. turism_=caravan_site landuse=residential? Dopotutto è effettivamente un'area destinata (da delibere comunali) ad uso residenziale Poi eventualmente name=... secondome non sarebbe male inventarsi qualcosa più specifico, forse landuse=nomad_camp_site? E' un po' lungo. Anche a me non piace la chiave tourism in questo contesto, ne anche caravan, ma camp_site potrebbe andare bene. E' un amenity? Un landuse? O residential=camp_site? O ancora un altra chiave? Non connoscendo bene quel mondo è difficile trovare uno schema per classificarlo. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pulizia sentieri
2012/11/4 pietro marzani piem...@yahoo.it: Buonasera, mi chiamo Pietro e mappo in basso Trentino, zona di Rovereto. Nella mia zona i sentieri principali sono tutti mappati su OSM. Mi sto occupando di cercare e mappare sentieri minori. Molto spesso si tratta di percorsi che non sono più frequentati, o lo sono molto poco, perché una strada permette di raggiungere in automobile la loro destinazione. In alcuni casi questi sentieri, pur essendo ben visibili, sono parzialmente ostruiti dalla vegetazione o da pietre cadute sul loro tracciato e seguirli non è del tutto semplice. Esiste un tag che si possa utilizzare per descrivere questa situazione? In alcuni casi ho utilizzato trail_visibility, ma in realtà il sentiero è ben riconoscibile, è solo difficile da percorrere a causa degli ostacoli che vi si trovano. si, c'è una nuova proposta per questo: obstacle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pulizia sentieri
si, c'è una nuova proposta per questo: obstacle grazie, mi pare quello che cercavo! Pietro Da: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com A: pietro marzani piem...@yahoo.it; openstreetmap list - italiano talk-it@openstreetmap.org Inviato: Domenica 4 Novembre 2012 21:04 Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] pulizia sentieri 2012/11/4 pietro marzani piem...@yahoo.it: Buonasera, mi chiamo Pietro e mappo in basso Trentino, zona di Rovereto. Nella mia zona i sentieri principali sono tutti mappati su OSM. Mi sto occupando di cercare e mappare sentieri minori. Molto spesso si tratta di percorsi che non sono più frequentati, o lo sono molto poco, perché una strada permette di raggiungere in automobile la loro destinazione. In alcuni casi questi sentieri, pur essendo ben visibili, sono parzialmente ostruiti dalla vegetazione o da pietre cadute sul loro tracciato e seguirli non è del tutto semplice. Esiste un tag che si possa utilizzare per descrivere questa situazione? In alcuni casi ho utilizzato trail_visibility, ma in realtà il sentiero è ben riconoscibile, è solo difficile da percorrere a causa degli ostacoli che vi si trovano. si, c'è una nuova proposta per questo: obstacle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle ciao, Martin___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pulizia sentieri
Mi aggiungo con una cosa di cui stavo discutendo con un altro utente, la proposta obstacle=* soddisfa in parte quello che cercavamo, ma come segnare che su quel sentiero ci stanno lavorando? Per esempio per ripulirlo e/o fare legna? Ciao, Stefano Il giorno 04 novembre 2012 21:26, pietro marzani piem...@yahoo.it ha scritto: si, c'è una nuova proposta per questo: obstacle grazie, mi pare quello che cercavo! Pietro -- *Da:* Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com *A:* pietro marzani piem...@yahoo.it; openstreetmap list - italiano talk-it@openstreetmap.org *Inviato:* Domenica 4 Novembre 2012 21:04 *Oggetto:* Re: [Talk-it] pulizia sentieri 2012/11/4 pietro marzani piem...@yahoo.it: Buonasera, mi chiamo Pietro e mappo in basso Trentino, zona di Rovereto. Nella mia zona i sentieri principali sono tutti mappati su OSM. Mi sto occupando di cercare e mappare sentieri minori. Molto spesso si tratta di percorsi che non sono più frequentati, o lo sono molto poco, perché una strada permette di raggiungere in automobile la loro destinazione. In alcuni casi questi sentieri, pur essendo ben visibili, sono parzialmente ostruiti dalla vegetazione o da pietre cadute sul loro tracciato e seguirli non è del tutto semplice. Esiste un tag che si possa utilizzare per descrivere questa situazione? In alcuni casi ho utilizzato trail_visibility, ma in realtà il sentiero è ben riconoscibile, è solo difficile da percorrere a causa degli ostacoli che vi si trovano. si, c'è una nuova proposta per questo: obstacle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pulizia sentieri
2012/11/4 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com: Mi aggiungo con una cosa di cui stavo discutendo con un altro utente, la proposta obstacle=* soddisfa in parte quello che cercavamo, ma come segnare che su quel sentiero ci stanno lavorando? Per esempio per ripulirlo e/o fare legna? credo che non sia previsto al momento. obstacle=works? Lo mettrei solo in casi dove l'ostacolo è di una certa permanenza, quindi quasi mai. OSM non è un sistema per segnalare un incidente stradale, e probabilmente il caso di percorsi che sono meno utilizzabili perchè ci fanno legno è un caso simile. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] R: pulizia sentieri
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:37:53 + (GMT) From: pietro marzani piem...@yahoo.it To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org talk-it@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-it] pulizia sentieri Message-ID: 1352057873.32130.yahoomail...@web133106.mail.ir2.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Buonasera, mi chiamo Pietro e mappo in basso Trentino, zona di Rovereto. Nella mia zona i sentieri principali sono tutti mappati su OSM. Mi sto occupando di cercare e mappare sentieri minori. Molto spesso si tratta di percorsi che non sono più frequentati, o lo sono molto poco, perché una strada permette di raggiungere in automobile la loro destinazione. In alcuni casi questi sentieri, pur essendo ben visibili, sono parzialmente ostruiti dalla vegetazione o da pietre cadute sul loro tracciato e seguirli non è del tutto semplice. Esiste un tag che si possa utilizzare per descrivere questa situazione? In alcuni casi ho utilizzato trail_visibility, ma in realtà il sentiero è ben riconoscibile, è solo difficile da percorrere a causa degli ostacoli che vi si trovano. Saluti Pietro Prova a dare un'occhiata qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:sac_scale ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Pubblicazione numeri civici Castelfranco Veneto
Ciao, ho ultimato la conversione dei dati del comune di Castelfranco Veneto. Con un programma C# adhoc ho convertito un file dxf (Gauss-Boaga fuso Ovest) direttamente in Osm (WGS84) sfruttando anche l'utilità cs2cs per la riproiezione automatizzata dei punti. Come tag ho inserito solo addr:housenumber. Il tag addr:street preferisco venga inserito a mano così sono sicuro che è giusto e che l'elemento è stato validato. I dati attuali risalgono a qualche anno va. In settimana procedo con la pubblicazione:-) Stefano Fraccaro ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Balsall Common armchair mapping cake
Hi all, As discussed at the last meetup (http://blog.mappa-mercia.org/2012/11/november-pub-meeting.html) a few of us are thinking of doing a little armchair (followed by a survey?) mapping of Balsall Common, particularly focusing on buildings. I see that Brian has already started a bit and I've been doing a little today. To make sure that we don't have more than one person doing the same area of the town, I thought I'd put together a cake using MapCraft. You can view the cake at http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/164 and you can reserve (and mark as in-progress/done) the various slices if you log in with your OSM account. I haven't really used MapCraft before but I know the Londoners use it for their mapping parties so we should see how it goes. Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Balsall Common armchair mapping cake
Hi Matt Great tool! Looks like it will be useful. Let's see how it goes and maybe do a cake with this tool for Balti Triangle? Regards Brian On 4 November 2012 17:26, Matt Williams m...@milliams.com wrote: Hi all, As discussed at the last meetup (http://blog.mappa-mercia.org/2012/11/november-pub-meeting.html) a few of us are thinking of doing a little armchair (followed by a survey?) mapping of Balsall Common, particularly focusing on buildings. I see that Brian has already started a bit and I've been doing a little today. To make sure that we don't have more than one person doing the same area of the town, I thought I'd put together a cake using MapCraft. You can view the cake at http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/164 and you can reserve (and mark as in-progress/done) the various slices if you log in with your OSM account. I haven't really used MapCraft before but I know the Londoners use it for their mapping parties so we should see how it goes. Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-se] overlay-verktyg OSM på proprietär karta
Verktyg för att visa OSM och proprietär karta tycker jag är bra om man ska hitta vilka områden som behöver mer uppmärksamhet i OSM (givetvis inte via kopiering, utan med undersökning / bing-satelit). Har hittat flera som visar mapnik+google. Det jag tycker vore bättre är att visa, säg, alla OSM-vägar / järnvägar / vattendrag / amenities (allt som inte är ytor) i *en* färg uppepå google och utan labels, så syns det tydligare var det saknas vägar i OSM. Har gjord det i QGIS tidigare, men det är opraktiskt att lära andra. Finns det någon sådan tjänst? Annars sätter jag upp själv, antar jag. /Per Eric -- ^): Per Eric Rosén http://rosnix.net/~per/ / p...@rosnix.net GPG 7A7A BD68 ADC0 01E1 F560 79FD 33D1 1EC3 1EBB 7311___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
[Talk-es] Zonas militares
Bueno, la cosa es que esta tarde iba de senderismo en coche por la montaña, y encontrando un camino me dije... seguiré mientras haya asfalto. Así que me puse a conducir y aparezco en un extraño lugar con una verja y múltiples señales de propiedad privada, calle sin salida y demás, la verdad es que daba algo de yuyu. En la distancia pude distinguir dos antenas. Para los curiosos, a unos 5 kilómetros al sureste del pueblecito almeriense de Enix. Pues bien, cuando vuelvo a casa me puse a indagar y las imágenes de Bing que utilizamos están censuradas en esa zona (Es un trozo pequeñito), pero Google Maps lo tiene ilustrado sin ningún problema. Internet tiene poquísima información, simplemente que es una estación de radio de uso militar. Lo primero es: ¿Cómo se marca eso? Y lo segundo: ¿Cómo de mal está que en España se mapeen las zonas militares? Entrecomillo lo de mapear ya que la censura de las imágenes permiten hacer bien poquito. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Zonas militares
Si mal no recuerdo es landuse:military El 05/11/2012 00:46, José Juan Sánchez del Arco jj_sanchez_alme...@live.com escribió: Bueno, la cosa es que esta tarde iba de senderismo en coche por la montaña, y encontrando un camino me dije... seguiré mientras haya asfalto. Así que me puse a conducir y aparezco en un extraño lugar con una verja y múltiples señales de propiedad privada, calle sin salida y demás, la verdad es que daba algo de yuyu. En la distancia pude distinguir dos antenas. Para los curiosos, a unos 5 kilómetros al sureste del pueblecito almeriense de Enix. Pues bien, cuando vuelvo a casa me puse a indagar y las imágenes de Bing que utilizamos están censuradas en esa zona (Es un trozo pequeñito), pero Google Maps lo tiene ilustrado sin ningún problema. Internet tiene poquísima información, simplemente que es una estación de radio de uso militar. Lo primero es: ¿Cómo se marca eso? Y lo segundo: ¿Cómo de mal está que en España se mapeen las zonas militares? Entrecomillo lo de mapear ya que la censura de las imágenes permiten hacer bien poquito. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Zonas militares
Las ortofotos del PNOA no están censuradas. R. Ávila Coya. On 05/11/12 00:45, José Juan Sánchez del Arco wrote: Bueno, la cosa es que esta tarde iba de senderismo en coche por la montaña, y encontrando un camino me dije... seguiré mientras haya asfalto. Así que me puse a conducir y aparezco en un extraño lugar con una verja y múltiples señales de propiedad privada, calle sin salida y demás, la verdad es que daba algo de yuyu. En la distancia pude distinguir dos antenas. Para los curiosos, a unos 5 kilómetros al sureste del pueblecito almeriense de Enix. Pues bien, cuando vuelvo a casa me puse a indagar y las imágenes de Bing que utilizamos están censuradas en esa zona (Es un trozo pequeñito), pero Google Maps lo tiene ilustrado sin ningún problema. Internet tiene poquísima información, simplemente que es una estación de radio de uso militar. Lo primero es: ¿Cómo se marca eso? Y lo segundo: ¿Cómo de mal está que en España se mapeen las zonas militares? Entrecomillo lo de mapear ya que la censura de las imágenes permiten hacer bien poquito. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-ca] CanVec Imports in areas with existing data
I've recently imported some CanVec 10 data into the North Bay, Ontario area. It's been hard to figure out the best way to do this because of the assorted versions of existing data in the area. After chatting with some folks in the #osm-ca channel, I left the existing major highways to preserve routing. Since this is the first time I've imported any CanVec data, I am wondering if this is the best way to do it when there is existing data in the area. I would really appreciate it if someone could take a look at my import in case I have broken something. The NTS tile that I imported was: 031L06.0.11 The changeset for my import is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13755583 Duncan ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] probleme de bief
Et c'est pour ça que l'on n'a pas trouvé sa page wiki : bief steak haché dans la cuisine ! Bon, je sorts aussi... Le 03/11/2012 23:42, monsieur a a écrit : Moi je tag bief=steack Ok, je sort :-) Le 3 nov. 2012 17:50, Tetsuo Shima tets...@gmail.com mailto:tets...@gmail.com a écrit : Wiktionary donne trois sens a Bief, ca réconcilie tout le monde. 1Portion d'un canal de navigation on d'une rivière canalisée comprise entre deux écluses, deux barrages ou deux chutes. Le bief supérieur, le bief inférieur d'un canal. 2 Canal de dérivation. 3 Canal conduisant l'eau sur la roue d'un moulin. LA source c'est le dico de l'académie francaise http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/bief 2012/11/2 Hélène PETIT h...@free.fr mailto:h...@free.fr: Le 02/11/2012 22:14, Philippe Verdy a écrit : Là je pense qu'il faut ajouter boat=no, car la plupart des canaux sont justement faits pour être navigables, pas le bief, A mon avis c'est faux ; le bief est la portion de canal entre deux écluses ; citation : Sur le Canal du Midi, Le bief le plus long est de 53,87 km entre l'écluse d'Argens (Aude) et les écluses de Fonserannes (Hérault) tandis que le bief le plus court est de 105 m entre les deux écluses du Fresquel. Le mot bief ne dit donc rien sur la navigabilité. Hélène ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Avocats, médecins, et autres plaques sur les porches
2012/11/3 Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com: Bonjour, Peut-on tagguer les diverses professions libérales qui ont pour habitude de poser une plaque dorée à leur porche ? Je pense que oui, dans la mesure où il s'agit d'une profession, et non d'une atteinte à la vie privée, même quand le nom apparait sur la plaque, mais je tenais à en être sûr. Rien n'est moins sûr. Habituellement, on troue dans OSM des adresses, téléphones associés à un commerce. Ici, on l'associe à une personne. Un avis de la CNIL serait souhaitable concernant ce point. De plus, se pose un problème : comment représenter les X plaques (parfois de la même profession. Ex: plusieurs avocats) apposées au même porche. Doit-on mettre X points dans le bâtiment ? ça risque d'être surchargé, non ? Peut-être mais c'est la seule façon de garder un schéma de tags simple (une activité - un noeud). Mais jusqu'où peut-on aller dans cette démarche ? Pourquoi ne pas aller jusqu'à mettre les noms des chefs de service dans les hôpitaux ? Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer les services d'aide à domicile ?
2012/11/3 Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com: (re-)Bonjour, Je n'arrive pas à trouver comment tagguer les services d'aide à domicile (appelés aussi aides à la personne). Je ne parle pas des soins regroupés sous le tag 'social_facility', mais de choses moins vitales : devoirs scolaires, ménages/repassages, ... (Le but étant de tagguer les bureaux d'entreprises offrant ce genre de services). Bureaux = office=* Si une valeur spécifique n'existe pas, soit tu utilises le office=yes générique (avec les détails dans name), soit tu trouves l'équivalent en anglais du service concerné. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
2012/11/3 Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr: J'importe dans mon GPS des tracés de sentiers y incluant les bornes kilométriques. Ces repères visuels me permettent de voir rapidement ma progression sur le sentier. Je sais ainsi que je suis près de tel kilomètre ou de tel point de vue ou halte. Je n'ai pas testé, mais je penses bien que l'élévation devrait aussi s'afficher si elle était ajoutée. Les 'ele' relevés par GPS n'ont aucun intérêt dans OSM. Ils sont trop peu fiables et certains appareils se servent de la pression atmosphérique. Sans étalonnage avant la balade, ça devient du n'importe quoi. De plus, il faudrait que toutes les altitudes dans OMS s'expriment en WGS84, ce qui est loin d'être le cas pour tous les GPS ou outils de conversion. Les rares fois où je tombe sur ce genre de noeuds importés par GPS, je supprime ces tags (voire je remplace le way complètement tant je déteste les imports directs du GPS). Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Comment tagué les élevages de faisan ?
Le message suivant de : ## Bonjour, Ma petite commune de Chambretaud ([url]http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.9174lon=-0.9669zoom=14[/url]) est spécialisée dans l'élevage des faisans (Cynégéticulture) dans de grandes volières comme sur ces images : [url]http://www.faisanderie-croix-verillon.com/upload/galerie/zoom/20100315-121701-34434.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.gibovendee.com/ou_sommes_nous_localisation_google_map.php[/url] (= le site d'une entreprise basée à Chambretaud) Je voulais savoir comment pouvait on taguer ces volières ? Il y a bien le tag farmyard mais les volières sont elles considérées comme des bâtiments ??? Existe-t-il un tag permettant de préciser quels animaux y sont élevés ? Merci d'avance, Hugolucas a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=2 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [Appel][Modification plan de circulation][Caen][FR-14] Appel à contributions
Chose promise, chose due ! Pour voir les Rives de l'Orne, c'est par icihttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.17825lon=-0.34964zoom=17layers=M. Bon, il faudra de toute façon repasser, surtout au niveau des Rives de l'Orne : les aménagement routiers en cours sont finis, mais d'autres viendront (pont Churchill élargi, route Nord-Sud partant du nouveau rond-point en bout du pont Stirn, ...) + le chantier des Rives de l'Orne lui-même : la livraison n'est prévue qu'en 2013, mais quand ça sera fait, il y aura du boulot pour tout cartographier ! Et pour la place Saint-Sauveur, et ses alentours, c'est par là !http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.182816lon=-0.367731zoom=18layers=MIl y a quand même un truc qui y manque, mais c'est parce que je ne savais pas comment le tagguer : sur la place, le long de la rue Pasteur, se trouve un escalier de quelques marches seulement, mais très large ! La moitié de la longueur de la place, en gros... Mettre un way n'allait pas le faire : il n'aurait pas été dans l'axe de l'escalier. Du coup, je ne savais pas comment le représenter. Et je réitère ma proposition d'organiser une cartopartie dans Caen (ou les alentours proches), si ça en intéresse. Francescu Le 1 novembre 2012 16:40, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Pour les Rives de L'Orne, c'est en cours : j'ai supprimé les sens uniques et précisé le nombre de voies. Il ne me reste qu'à peaufiner la forme du rond-point au croisement du quai Hamelin, du pont Stirn et du cours Montalivet. Pour la place Saint-Sauveur, j'attendais que les ouvriers aient complètement dégagé la place : les travaux n'ayant été terminés qu'en début de semaine (et inauguration le 24/11, pour ceux qui sont dans le coin). Dans les 2 cas, je pense que j'aurai fini de tagguer ça d'ici la fin de la semaine. Je profite de ce mail pour lancer un ballon d'essai : y a-t-il des Caennais intéressés pour qu'on s'organise une cartopartie ? Francescu Le 1 novembre 2012 10:12, David Crochet david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : Bonjour Sur Caen (FR-14) deux grandes modifications des plans de circulation ont ou auront lieu très prochainement Place Saint Sauveur : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?**lat=49.182769lon=-0.368016** zoom=18layers=Mhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.182769lon=-0.368016zoom=18layers=M et les Rives de l'Orne : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?**lat=49.178242lon=-0.349943** zoom=18layers=Mhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.178242lon=-0.349943zoom=18layers=M Si des contributeurs peuvent mettre à jours les données dans ces environs : Just do it -- Cordialement David Crochet http://fr.wikiversity.org : Communauté pédagogique libre à laquelle chacun peut prendre part ! http://www.wikimedia.fr : Aidons la diffusion de la connaissance libre __**_ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-frhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Cordialement, Francescu GAROBY -- Cordialement, Francescu GAROBY ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
On 04/11/2012 12:07, Pieren wrote: Les 'ele' relevés par GPS n'ont aucun intérêt dans OSM. Ils sont trop peu fiables et certains appareils se servent de la pression atmosphérique. Sans étalonnage avant la balade, ça devient du n'importe quoi. De plus, il faudrait que toutes les altitudes dans OMS s'expriment en WGS84, ce qui est loin d'être le cas pour tous les GPS ou outils de conversion. Les rares fois où je tombe sur ce genre de noeuds importés par GPS, je supprime ces tags (voire je remplace le way complètement tant je déteste les imports directs du GPS). As-tu une meilleure solution pour trouver les altitudes des sommets où il n'y a pas de point géodésique ? Étant donné que nous n'avons pas le droit d'utiliser l'altitude indiquée sur les cartes IGN, je pense qu'on peut mettre l'altitude GPS, qui a une précision de l'ordre de 20 mètres (à condition qu'elle prenne en compte la hauteur du géoïde). C'est mieux que rien, en attendant que la précision des GPS s'améliore (Galileo ?). Jean-Claude ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] role de ces tags ?
Attention Pieren, Tu risques de recevoir une petite note en anglais t'indiquant que ton compte est bloqué suite à des destructions sauvages. :) Blague à part, il y a des marges d'erreur aussi bien avec les données gps qu'avec l'imagerie mal calée. Nous essayons d'importer la meilleure information disponible. Puis éventuellement d'autres contributeurs révisent avec des infos plus précises. Je suis d'accord qu'il n'est pas pertinent d'importer dans OSM des données gps en y incluant les données d'élévation. Cependant, tes propos laissent sous-entendre que toute donnée d'élévation est inutile dans OSM et doit être détruite. Veux-tu dire que même pour un sentier de randonnée, il n'est pas pertinent d'ajouter des repères ou l'attribut élévation est ajouté? Pierre De : Pieren pier...@gmail.com Les 'ele' relevés par GPS n'ont aucun intérêt dans OSM. Ils sont trop peu fiables et certains appareils se servent de la pression atmosphérique. Sans étalonnage avant la balade, ça devient du n'importe quoi. De plus, il faudrait que toutes les altitudes dans OMS s'expriment en WGS84, ce qui est loin d'être le cas pour tous les GPS ou outils de conversion. Les rares fois où je tombe sur ce genre de noeuds importés par GPS, je supprime ces tags (voire je remplace le way complètement tant je déteste les imports directs du GPS). ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [RECH] Un contributeur pédagogue sur Belfort ? DONE
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:14:31 +0200 o...@ffmc90.org wrote: Salut à tout le monde Nous sommes une fédération de motards dans le Territoire de Belfort. [../..] Est-ce qu'un contributeur qui réside dans notre secteur (Territoire de Belfort) serait capable de nous faire un fast track/atelier sur OSM. Merci à tous pour vos réponses. Aujourd'hui, après quelques échanges par mail, c'est Etienne T, qui s'y est collé pour nous mettre le pied à l'étrier sur OSM. Je tenais à le remercier ici pour sa disponibilité et sa généreuse intervention. Convertir un COBOListe de formation, qui s'est tout juste raccroché à quelques linuxeries voici 20 ans, à en venir à GéoJSon et autres XMLeries c'était un beau challenge :) Et obliger des bourrins du virolo à regarder un peu plus large autour de la route, un autre, et de taille :) Nous espérons, au delà des propres besoins de notre communauté, pouvoir contribuer plus largement au projet. Puis nous allons nous efforcer de promouvoir OSM auprès de notre fédération nationale. Ciao' -- Mathieu Coordinateur / FFMC90.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [RECH] Un contributeur pédagogue sur Belfort ? DONE
Bonsoir, Cela m'a fait plaisir de venir partager mes connaissances avec vous ! On n'a pas eu le temps de tout voir, malgré 4 heures de discussion ;-) Il y a tellement de chose à voir, qu'on avait un peu de mal à garder le fil du sujet. Mais c'était tout de même une bonne formation OSM. Si il y a des liens que j'ai pu donner et que vous ne retrouvez pas, je peux bien sur redonner les URLs ;-) Bonne soirée Etienne Le 4 novembre 2012 18:51, o...@ffmc90.org a écrit : On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:14:31 +0200 o...@ffmc90.org wrote: Salut à tout le monde Nous sommes une fédération de motards dans le Territoire de Belfort. [../..] Est-ce qu'un contributeur qui réside dans notre secteur (Territoire de Belfort) serait capable de nous faire un fast track/atelier sur OSM. Merci à tous pour vos réponses. Aujourd'hui, après quelques échanges par mail, c'est Etienne T, qui s'y est collé pour nous mettre le pied à l'étrier sur OSM. Je tenais à le remercier ici pour sa disponibilité et sa généreuse intervention. Convertir un COBOListe de formation, qui s'est tout juste raccroché à quelques linuxeries voici 20 ans, à en venir à GéoJSon et autres XMLeries c'était un beau challenge :) Et obliger des bourrins du virolo à regarder un peu plus large autour de la route, un autre, et de taille :) Nous espérons, au delà des propres besoins de notre communauté, pouvoir contribuer plus largement au projet. Puis nous allons nous efforcer de promouvoir OSM auprès de notre fédération nationale. Ciao' -- Mathieu Coordinateur / FFMC90.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] PlaceMaker Bureaux de poste : quelques évolutions
Bonsoir, Le 01/11/2012 10:01, Frédéric Rodrigo a écrit : Le 31/10/2012 14:10, Romain MEHUT a écrit : Les données http://www.data.gouv.fr/donnees/view/Liste-des-points-de-contact-du-r%C3%A9seau-postal-fran%C3%A7ais-551640?xtmc=r%C3%A9seau+postalxtcr=1 de La Poste ont été mises à jour avec les horaires d'ouverture et l'accessibilité. Mise à jour effectué dans Osmose. http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/map/?item=7050,8020,8021level=1,2,3 Ça prend en compte la qualité du géocodage de La Poste et le tag wheelchair. Je vais m'occuper de la maj de PlaceMaker, normalement dans la semaine. Plusieurs points : - certains nouveaux descripteurs concernent l'accès pour les malentendants (présence de prises casque). Je n'ai pas vu grand chose sur le wiki, à part ça : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DisabilityDescription approuvé peut-être, mais pas bien populaire pour autant : http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=blind http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=deaf Sauf autre suggestion, je proposerais quand même qu'on utilise cette forme de tag, via par exemple : deaf:description:fr=Automates d'affranchissement avec prise audio deaf:description:fr=Distributeur de billets avec prise audio - sur l'accessibilité en fauteuil, je n'ai pas compris la proposition de Frédéric en fin de ce mail : http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2012-October/050690.html Ne faut-il pas lire plutôt : ET SINON wheelchair=no ? - les horaires d'ouverture (fournis dans un 2e fichier) donnent matière à remplir un joli tag opening_hours, mais comme toujours sur ce thème, c'est un poème, va falloir s'y pencher (sans tomber). - @ Christian : pour les bureaux de poste déjà dans OSM, j'espère bien que la clé ref:FR:LaPoste fournie par la source va nous permettre de répercuter les nouveaux tags (accessibilité, horaires) sans trop de gymnastique, via un bot bien intentionné (et un compte dédié :-) ). vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Reportage TV : demande de conseils
Le 30/10/2012 10:09, Romain MEHUT a écrit : Le 26 septembre 2011 20:09, Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com mailto:pdora...@mac.com a écrit : L'article : http://www.charentelibre.fr/2011/08/17/militant-a-la-rue-par-passion,10 50372.php http://www.charentelibre.fr/2011/08/17/militant-a-la-rue-par-passion,10 50372.php Je suis d'avance désolé pour les termes que le journaliste m'attribu en disant que jai réalisé la carte de cognac libre... c'est bien sur un travail collectif, même si sur Cognac je suis quasiment le seul actif depuis 2 ans. Voici un autre article de la Charente Libre qui parle entre autres d'OSM: http://www.charentelibre.fr/2012/10/29/leur-liberte-en-fond-d-ecran,1121833.php La version papier, que j'ai eu entre les mains, couvre rien moins qu'une pleine page (p.3) de l'édition du 29/10, avec photo d'une cartopartie pilotée par Pierre-Alain :-) vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM meetups in Paris next month?
Hi, Le 02/11/2012 00:08, Kathleen Danielson a écrit : I'm so embarrassed; I actually just remembered that I'll be at a cooking class in the 15eme at Le Cordon Bleu from 19h to 21h on 14 novembre! Any chance another day could work? That's actually the only firm plan I have yet for Paris. Thank you all so much for being so kind! On Nov 1, 2012 6:46 PM, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr wrote: That's a good idea ! So, next Paris meeting on November 14th starting at 7PM as usual ? -- C'est une bonne idée ! Donc, prochaine rencontre parisienne le 14 novembre à partir de 19h comme d'habitude ? Would it be ok on friday (Nov. 16th) ? / Des partants pour le vendredi 16 sinon ? vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM meetups in Paris next month?
Le vendredi c'est jouable aussi ! -- Marc Sibert m...@sibert.fr Le 4 nov. 2012 23:21, Vincent de Chateau-Thierry v...@laposte.net a écrit : Hi, Le 02/11/2012 00:08, Kathleen Danielson a écrit : I'm so embarrassed; I actually just remembered that I'll be at a cooking class in the 15eme at Le Cordon Bleu from 19h to 21h on 14 novembre! Any chance another day could work? That's actually the only firm plan I have yet for Paris. Thank you all so much for being so kind! On Nov 1, 2012 6:46 PM, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cquest@openstreetmap.**fr cqu...@openstreetmap.fr wrote: That's a good idea ! So, next Paris meeting on November 14th starting at 7PM as usual ? -- C'est une bonne idée ! Donc, prochaine rencontre parisienne le 14 novembre à partir de 19h comme d'habitude ? Would it be ok on friday (Nov. 16th) ? / Des partants pour le vendredi 16 sinon ? vincent __**_ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-frhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM meetups in Paris next month?
Le vendredi c'est bon pour moi ! À quelle heure ? Et où ? (Don't mind me-- I know that most, if not all of you speak excellent English... I'm just trying to dust off my extremely rusty French!) On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Marc SIBERT m...@sibert.fr wrote: Le vendredi c'est jouable aussi ! -- Marc Sibert m...@sibert.fr Le 4 nov. 2012 23:21, Vincent de Chateau-Thierry v...@laposte.net a écrit : Hi, Le 02/11/2012 00:08, Kathleen Danielson a écrit : I'm so embarrassed; I actually just remembered that I'll be at a cooking class in the 15eme at Le Cordon Bleu from 19h to 21h on 14 novembre! Any chance another day could work? That's actually the only firm plan I have yet for Paris. Thank you all so much for being so kind! On Nov 1, 2012 6:46 PM, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cquest@openstreetmap.**fr cqu...@openstreetmap.fr wrote: That's a good idea ! So, next Paris meeting on November 14th starting at 7PM as usual ? -- C'est une bonne idée ! Donc, prochaine rencontre parisienne le 14 novembre à partir de 19h comme d'habitude ? Would it be ok on friday (Nov. 16th) ? / Des partants pour le vendredi 16 sinon ? vincent __**_ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-frhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Eurosha en République Centrafricaine, une premiere evaluation par les tuteurs souhaitee / Eurosha in CAR, hope for a first evaluation by the tutors
(In English Below) Bonjour, Pour ceux qui veulent être tuteurs des volontaires Euroshahttp://hot.openstreetmap.org/projects/eurosha_0, l'équipe déployée à Bangui en République Centrafricaine, maintenant installée, et dotée d'une bonne connexion internet, mais souffrant malheureusement encore de coupures d’électricité (voir leur dernière note de bloghttp://eurosha-volunteers-blog.org/2012/11/02/bara-ala-ti-bangui/) a commencé à mapper via l'imagerie Bing autour de leur maison (localisée icihttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=4.37112lon=18.57068zoom=16layers=M) à l'aide de ce job http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/72 du HOT Tasking Manager et cela avance bien, comme le montre Whodidithttp://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=12lat=4.39928lon=18.55762lay=layers=BTTet ces deux exports Mapnik à quatre jours d'écart : https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_C6dUAEbjPiTTItYWFLU1U3bHc https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_C6dUAEbjPiWDhoZ3poblBpb1E Le groupe va commencer le mapping terrain ce lundi. Pour corriger d'emblée les erreurs sur les dalles réalisées jusqu'ici, une évaluation et des conseils par les tuteurs OSM serait bienvenue et particulièrement utile. Pour ceux qui veulent rejoindre le tutorat, c'est à cette adresse : https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/talk-eurosha-osm Juste un point méthodologique : pour le mapping humanitaire, pour faciliter l'utilisation de la donnée OSM pour des analyses SIG, nous avons choisi des règles strictes en matière de topologie : - les bâtiments sont des closedways, évidemment, mais leur attributs ne décrivent que leur structure physique - les activités qu'ils contiennent sont portées par des nodes. Les clés shop ou amenity par exemple sont toujours des nodes, dans le but de faciliter l’échange de données humanitaires en n'ayant qu'un seul type de topologie - dans le cas d'un objet complexe comme une école avec plusieurs bâtiments et une enceinte, l'enceinte est un objet landuse (avec un type de clôture s'il existe), les bâtiments sont donc décrits physiquement, et les activités (il peut y avoir des bâtiments techniques, administratifs et bien sûr ceux qui regroupent des salles de classe) sont des nodes. Un node principal contenant l'information générale sur l'école (nom, opérateur, cycles d'éducation, capacité, statut opérationnel...) sera placé au centre du landuse Le preset utilisé est accessible depuis le job pour ceux intéressés, dans l'onglet workflow. Encore une fois, merci beaucoup pour le support à ce projet qui bénéficiera aux pays hôtes ! Severin, coordinateur du programme Eurosha pour HOT Hi, For those that agreed to be OSM tutors of the Euroshahttp://hot.openstreetmap.org/projects/eurosha_0 volunteers, the team deployed in Bangui, Central African Republic, is now installed and has a strong connection to the Internet, but still endures some power shortages (see their last blog posthttp://eurosha-volunteers-blog.org/2012/11/02/bara-ala-ti-bangui/) has started mapping through the Bing imagery in the outskirts of their house (located herehttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=4.37112lon=18.57068zoom=16layers=M), with the support of this Tasking manager jobhttp://tasks.hotosm.org/job/72. They are moving forward quite well, as shown on Whodidithttp://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=12lat=4.39928lon=18.55762lay=layers=BTT and these two Mapnik exports taken between a four days interval: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_C6dUAEbjPiTTItYWFLU1U3bHc https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_C6dUAEbjPiWDhoZ3poblBpb1E The team will start the field mapping this Monday. An evaluation and advices to the volunteers by the OSM tutors of the TM grid cells done so far would be really useful and supportive in order to correct quickly the mistakes made. For those who would like to become tutors, please join https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/talk-eurosha-osm Just some methodological elements: for the purposes of the humanitarian mapping, in order to get easy the GIS analysis based on this baseline data, we defined these topological rules: - buildings are obviously closedways, with attributes only describing their physical features - the activities they hold are described by nodes. The shop or amenity keys, for example, are always put only on nodes, in order to make the exchange of humanitarian data easier, by having only one type of topology by tags and category of information - in the event of a complex object as a school with several buildings and a enclosure, this latter is a landuse object (with a tag describing the kind of surrounding walls if there is some), the buildings described for their structure and the activities (eg plant room, warehouse, offices and of course buildings hosting classrooms) are nodes. A main node containing the general invigoration for the school (name, operator, series, capacity, operational status,..) will be located in the middle of the enclosure. The preset that is used can be accessed from the TM
Re: [Talk-GB] Addition of Wikipedia links in German!
WARNING: CHECK YOUR BOUNDARIES! Longbow4u has been causing other problems with these edits as well. In Kent the boundaries of Ashford and Shepway districts have been emptied of ways. The addition of wikipedia links is continuing apace, sometimes in English, sometimes in German. This changeset seems particularly problematic: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13577241 I have sent him/her a message requesting them to repair the damage to these boundary relations and have suggested rolling back that whole changeset might be a good place to start. Colin On 21/10/2012 17:08, Robert Norris wrote: Seeing these edits: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Longbow4u/edits http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13577963 to add a tags such as wikipedia = de:Portsmouth One can't help but wonder what the point of such tags are (an indeed website), as any intelligent web search based on the name of the object (and +wikipedia) and maybe UK or the county will usually takes to one the web site (or wikipedia) of that item and probably in the right language too... (even if I often tag POIs with websites myself...) This sort of automatic search linking would be much web 2.0, than the pile of URL related values in the DB. Be Seeing You - Rob. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
On 30 October 2012 19:24, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net including using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. [1] http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/products/postcode-directories/-nspp-/index.html [2] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ While [1] says ONS Intellectual Property in the postcode products is supplied under Open Government Licence terms that only refers to ONS's IP rights, and doesn't say anything about anyone else's IP rights... If we follow the licenses link to [3] we find why there is this strange wording: Postcode products: The ONS postcode directories are subject to the Open Government Licence, and Ordnance Survey OpenData Licence. So it's not correct to say that the data has been released under the Open Government License. Unfortunately, it looks like we're back to the same problem we had with CodePoint Open: The ONS dataset presumably contains IP from Royal Mail under the OS OpenData License. When LWG enquired a while ago, the answer came back that we weren't allowed to use CodePoint Open under the OS OpenData License, because we hadn't got permission from Royal Mail. I don't see that this new dataset is going to be any different. But if you think there's a case to be made for being able to use it this time, I think you'll need to run it by LWG first and get their approval. Sorry to have to throw a spanner in the works here, Robert. [3] http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/beginner-s-guide/licences/index.html -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
Hi Robert, The odd statement on ONS's website seems to be more related to the Northern Ireland part of the dataset. If you see the full statement on the licenses page then it states clearly that the data is available under OGL (see below). The same statement is also made in the download file itself. On a related note, we now have the support of the Open Data User Group (ODUG), who have issued a paper calling for the release of address data as open data. As you may or may not recall, ODUG reports in to the Cabinet Office and is responsible for identify public sector datasets that should be made openly available. Regards Rob == Quoted text below == *Copyright and reproduction* © Crown copyright 2012 You may re-use this information (not including logos or Northern Ireland data) free of charge in any format or medium, under the terms of the Open Government Licence. However, the following attribution statement must be acknowledged or displayed on any product using ONS data: Contains Ordnance Survey data © Crown copyright and database right 2012 Contains National Statistics data © Crown copyright and database right 2012 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data
Rob Nickerson wrote: On a related note, we now have the support of the Open Data User Group (ODUG), who have issued a paper calling for the release of address data as open data. As you may or may not recall, ODUG reports in to the Cabinet Office and is responsible for identify public sector datasets that should be made openly available. I haven't had a reply to my own request re the NSG and NLPG stuff, but presumably there were a substantial number of requests for the same data! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)
Please see notes below:
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Right. So what do you think of the set of rules that I posted a bit ago?
Well... I like mine better. ('natch!) Pursue the truth agreement do
no harm. is a little easier to remember and covers all the cases covered
by the 5 rules put forth.
It seems that, if followed, rules 3-5 will almost certainly create more
confusion than they resolve.
There *is* standardization -- the set of Key and Tag descriptions in
the Wiki. Everybody should edit the way they describe. If they are
ambiguous, then you should look at the way people are using the tags,
and put that into the wiki. If people aren't tagging consistently,
then you should ask for help.
The whole point is that everything in the database should have a clear
meaning. It's okay if there are two different ways to enter the same
thing. Yes, that makes life harder on data consumers, but as long as
they can understand what a tag means, they can figure out what that
means for their usage of the map. Chances are good that
highway=path/bicycle=yes and highway=cycleway will get rendered the
same way.
I can vouch only for my own perspective, which is that there does not
appear (to me) that everything has clear meaning and that there are many
flavors of standardization. The fact that there are 2 (or more) different
ways to enter the same thing makes meaning less, not more, clear. I do
think this deserves its own thread will create such a thread (assuming
it's not a retread rethread), but not tonight.
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[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2012-11-02
These are based off of Lambertus's work here: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel free to ask. However, please do not send me private mail. The odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit. Downloads: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-11-02 Map to visualize what each file contains: http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-11-02/kml/kml.html FAQ Why did you do this? I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact of doing a large join on Lambertus's server. I've also cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently on removable media. http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2012-11-02 Can or should I seed the torrents? Yes!! If you use the .torrent files, please seed. That web server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this side of the Atlantic. Why is my map missing small rectangular areas? There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the red rectangles), I don't see any at the moment, so you may want to update if you had issues with the last set. Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card? If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from the factory. I had to reformat it to let me create a 2GB file. Does your map cover Mexico/Canada? Yes!! I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario in to the USA. Some areas of North America that are close to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps. This might not happen forever, and if you would like your non-US area to get included, let me know. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)
Jeff Meyer writes:
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Right. So what do you think of the set of rules that I posted a bit ago?
Well... I like mine better. ('natch!) Pursue the truth agreement do
no harm. is a little easier to remember and covers all the cases covered
by the 5 rules put forth.
It seems that, if followed, rules 3-5 will almost certainly create more
confusion than they resolve.
People like simple rules because they're simple. But when you go to
figure out what the rules mean, you have to interpret them. What is
agreement? Agreement with you and your buddies as to how to tag?
Agreement with existing tags? Agrement with the documentation in the
wiki? Agreement with some book that somebody wrote once? Agreement
with Steve Coast (all hail the master)?
If you don't start with good rules, you'll have to invent them, under
pressure and with people yelling at you. Which is kinda what we're
doing here, now.
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Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: People like simple rules because they're simple. But when you go to figure out what the rules mean, you have to interpret them. What is agreement? Agreement with you and your buddies as to how to tag? Agreement with existing tags? Agrement with the documentation in the wiki? Agreement with some book that somebody wrote once? Agreement with Steve Coast (all hail the master)? If you don't start with good rules, you'll have to invent them, under pressure and with people yelling at you. Which is kinda what we're doing here, now. Agreement should mean among all relevant parties. That said, I think the key is more in the pursue than the specific agreement. If you're *pursuing* agreement... then you're doing all the things you've mentioned... checking the wiki, checking with others, checking IRC, documenting what you're doing so that people can understand why you did what you did, entering into an agreement with the willingness to accept that your way may not be the way that the community accepts. And, in those cases, you're still free to make your own tags, etc., just don't harm other peoples' (and the community's) efforts. The other positive attribute of pursuing agreement is that it mitigates a bully's ability to use pursuit of the truth as a cudgel for braining other mappers. Other things about the rules you've suggested - if the first rule involves the acronym DWG, then we're probably off to the wrong start. It implies that you need to be ready to escalate to the highest levels, rather than seeking more distributed and federated agreement. The second rule is too specific - what about disputes between 2 local mappers or between 2 remote mappers? I do agree, however, that sometimes, inventing rules under pressure can be the way to go. I do hope we can do it without yelling! (whoops) : ) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] What to do with unnamed NHD streams
On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 20:51 -0700, Paul Norman wrote: Background: I'm working on converting NHD to .osm format NHD is an extremely large data set. It's about 25G of zipfiles and all of this converted to .osm would total about 3 TB. This is about 10x-15x times the size of planet.osm. There are three factors that lead to this large size. The third is what this email is about 1. The NHD covers a massive area. 2. Some ways are very over-noded. The NHD accuracy standard is 12m error 90% of the time. Running a 1m simplify in JOSM reduces the number of nodes to 25%-50% of what it was before. Like everything with the NHD, this varies from region to region. I'm thinking a 2.5m simplification would be best - it's 1/5th of the accuracy standard. Of course, running a simplification on a dataset this large is a challenge in itself. Yes to this. 3. A lot of NHD is very minor streams only of use to hydrologists. There are streams that you would be hard pressed to locate if you were there in person and in some cases they do not exist anymore. A sensible solution in any NHD translation may be to drop any FCode 46003 (intermittent) streams without a name. It may also be worth dropping FCode 46006 (perennial) streams without a name. I think that excluding 46003's is generally O.K. They can be useful, but are not really necessary for the import. I do think that not including 46006's without names would exclude many important and obvious waterways. Here in NC, some of these actually do have (local) names and many are significant especially for hiking/biking trails as they represent places where feet can get wet or there is a big dip/rocky area. My vote would be to keep them. James ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
