Re: [talk-au] GHG mitigation and FOSS4G SotM Oceania

[adam steer]

hey folks

waking this conversation up again - there’s some interest from Parks
Victoria around applying funding from a GHG offset scheme to restore yellow
box woodland - which is direct, local and observable.

I started making some calculations here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DGcpUCO6pHhKutoCh8qh1FcIrnXjyYQ_kOEIf5nCnGw/edit?usp=sharing

…using the ICAO flight emissions calculator. So far we’re up to about 48t
CO2 based on my assumptions around who comes from where - and no additions
from south pacific islands yet. If you have any input on those numbers
please add comments.

Next step is to work more on how much money is appropriate for a programme
to sequester 48t of CO2 based on existing offset programmes. Then, have a
chat with Parks Victoria around how far that amount goes.

I’ll add those estimates in the same sheet.

Regards

Adam
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Re: [Talk-de] Änderungen im Wiki: Tag:public transport=platform

[Nzara]

Tags beziehen sich immer auf das Objekt, dem sie zugeordnet sind.

Bei 'name' mit 'platform' sollte das Tag also den Namen des  
Bahnsteigs/Bussteigs enthalten. Meistens haben Bahnsteige keinen eigenen 
Name und demnach sollte das name-Tag auch leer bleiben.


Bei 'ref' mit 'platform' sollte das Tag die Nummer des 
Bahnsteigs/Bussteigs enthalten. Bahnsteige haben meistens eine Nummer, 
Bussteige oft einen Buchstaben (aber bei weitem nicht immer) .


Zu welchem Bahnhof ein Bahnsteig und zu welcher Haltestelle ein Bussteig 
gehört ergibt sich aus der stop_area-Relation. Welche Linien von der 
'platform' bedient werden ergibt sich aus den route-Relationen. Das hat 
mit 'name' und 'ref' nichts zu tun und die beiden Tags sollten auch 
dafür nicht missbraucht werden. Sonst können den ihr zugedachten Inhalt 
nicht mehr aufnehmen.


Wir sollten 'name' nicht mit der Beschriftung verwechseln, die wir gerne 
auf der Karte sehen wollen. Der Renderer entscheidet, ob er einen 
Bahnsteig mit "Hansator, Bahnsteig 1" oder nur "Bahnsteig 1" oder 
sonstwie beschriften will. Die Informationen kann er aus 'stop_area', 
'ref', etc. beziehen. Das gibt dem Renderer auch die Freiheit, in einer 
anderen Sprache auch die Beschriftung anzupassen, z.B. "Hansator, Quai 1".


Dass ÖPNV-Linien in JOSM und anderen Editoren nur sehr umständlich 
dargestellt werden, ärgert mich auch. Das liegt wohl auch daran, dass 
das PTv2-Schema ziemlich indirekt und damit kompliziert ist. Es sollte 
uns aber nicht verleiten, Objekten einen Namen zu geben, nur damit es 
für uns bequemer wird (Siehe auch 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_use_name_tag_to_describe_things). 
Wir mappen die Welt, wie sie ist - nicht wie wir sie gerne haben möchten.


Nzara

Am 07.08.2019 um 20:18 schrieb KvMP via Talk-de:

Hallo!

Aufgrund von (sehr vielen) ??nderungen eines Nutzers in meiner Umgebung der von allen Bushaltestellen im name-Tag 
konsequent den eigentlichen Namen der Haltestelle entfernt hat und so den Namen auf die Plattform-Nummerierung 
verst??mmelt hat, ist mir nach Pr??fung des Wikis aufgefallen, dass Wiki-Benutzer _Famosm_ recht gravierende 
??nderungen an der Dokumentation der Tags gemacht hat [1]. So wurde bei name=* - frei ??bersetzt - von "Name der 
Station, Nummer kommt in ref=*" ge??ndert in "Nummer der Station" und bei ref=* von "Nummer der 
Station" ge??ndert zu "Bedienende Buslinien". Diese ??nderungen finde ich h??chst fragw??rdig und 
kontrovers, unter anderem mit Blick auf local_ref=* und route_ref=*.
Eine ??hnliche ??nderung gab es im deutschen Artikel [2].

In der Diskussionsseite kn??pfte Famosm an eine Diskussion, gestartet am 17. Juni 2013, an [3] und verwies auf das 
Proposal von PTv2 [4] und zitierte daraus "The name by which the platform is known.". Nun ist diese Aussage 
wahrlich nicht unmissverst??ndlich, aber gerade deswegen finde ich die durchgef??hrten ??nderungen problematisch, da 
f??r mich ein Haltepunkt eben nicht "A" hei??t, sondern "Hansahaus A" oder vielleicht auch 
"Hansahaus" - beide Male am besten mit local_ref=* versehen.
Auch ganz praktisch f??hrt ein solches Namensschema zu Problemen. Man stelle 
sich vor JOSM zeigt im Relations-Editor nur noch A, B, C an, ich glaube dann 
werden sich noch weniger Benutzer finden, die sich um die Pflege der 
??PNV-Linien k??mmern.

Die ??nderungen am ref=* kann ich ??berhaupt nicht nachvollziehen, da sich diese f??r 
mich nicht aus dem Proposal ergibt. Ganz im Gegenteil, aus "The reference by which 
the platform is known." kann ich nicht schlie??en, dass man pl??tzlich Buslinien 
taggen soll.


Wie ist hier die Haltung zu dieser ??nderungen und wird eine Revertierung 
dieser unterst??tzt?
In der OSM-Telegram-Gruppe hatte ich mich mal erkundigt und dort stie?? diese 
??nderung auf Ablehnung.

Beste Gre


[1] ??nderung durch _Famosm_ im englischsprachigen Artikel: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform=1849464=1827664
[2] ??nderung durch _Famosm_ im deutschsprachigen Artikel: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=DE:Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform=1849505=1817840
[3] Diskussions-Beitrag durch _Famosm_: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform#Name_tag
[4] Proposal PTv2: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=625726#Platform

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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Mikel Maron]

> My main concern is rather that there are a lot of free form questions yet 
>there is no option for the participants to allow publication of the individual 
>free form answers in anonymized form. 
Select “publicly aggregated and anonymously” as answer to the first question 
and the free form answers will be published.

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Re: [Talk-bo] Se justifica este elemento en el Mapa?

[Marco Antonio]

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 21:02, Juan Jose Iglesias  wrote:
> Esta Línea Roja del Trópico de Cochabamba se justifica en el Mapa?
> Way https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/529718384
> Fue creado hace 2 años como un barrier=hedge

Si, esta línea junto al límite del TIPNIS forma el polígono 7, un área
colonizada donde se siembra alimentos pero también coca.

El nombre va bien para la línea, aunque la etiqueta no es la mejor
pero la línea se trazó como límite máximo del área colonizada.

Pienso que lo mejor es añadir las Tierras Comunitarias de Origen
tituladas por el INRA y así podemos utilizar esta línea roja como
límite de la TCO TIPNIS. Se explica bien en el mapa de TCOs

mapa TCO INRA
https://geo.gob.bo/geonetwork/srv/spa/resources.get?uuid=31c90a00-c652-4d1a-9269-3161528c4e3c=tco_inra.png

Por ahora dejé una nota para arreglar con el futuro polígono.

abrazos,

Marco Antonio

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[Talk-pe] Fwd: [talk-latam] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Omar Vega Ramos]

 Mensaje Original 
Asunto: [talk-latam] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local
communities in OpenStreetMap
Fecha: 2019-08-07 13:45
De: Marco Antonio 
Destinatario: OSM Bolivia , OSM LatAm

Responder a: OpenStreetMap Latinoamérica 

Hola,

La «Fundación OpenStreetMap» está realizando una encuesta de 25
preguntas (1 obligatoria y el resto opcional), hasta el 21 de Agosto
de 2019.

El enlace a la encuesta en español:
https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=es

La encuesta quiere conocer:
* si existen comunidades locales en varias partes del mundo,
* ¿cómo las comunidades locales están conectadas con la comunidad
global de OpenStreetMap?,
* ¿qué acciones debe emprender la Fundación OpenStreetMap?
* ¿Qué preocupaciones e ideas tiene la comunidad?

Mencionan que la encuesta no es cuantitativa, es decir que la encuesta
es un medio de recopilar información para tomar decisiones mejor
informadas en el congreso de capítulos locales de la SotM de este año.
También se puede enviar respuestas grupales previas discusiones. En la
encuesta hay más información,

Abrazos,
Marco Antonio

-- Forwarded message -
From: Dorothea Kazazi 
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 11:03
Subject: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in
OpenStreetMap
To: 

Hello,
The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and its
aim is to stimulate  discussions in local communities and at the Local
Chapters Congress at SotM.

https://osmf.limequery.org/428835

~ The survey will run for two weeks.
~ Only one question is mandatory: "How can we share your answers?".

There is more information on the scope of the survey and approach on the
opening page.

warm greetings,
Dorothea

~~
Links you can share for different languages:
English (Base language): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=en
Chinese (Simplified): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hans
Chinese (Traditional; Hong Kong):
https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hant-HK
French: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fr
German: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=de
Hungarian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=hu
Italian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=it
Lithuanian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=lt
Persian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fa
Portuguese (Brazilian): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=pt-BR

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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping at Moira, NW Leicestershire.

[Gregory Marler]

Not being completely shameless, it seems appropriate to plug the "Mapper
Diaries" I've been doing...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOzESllbuA8MvERQYiO0KuA/videos
Many of the videos are me talking as if someone has tagged along to my
mapping. I'm slowly getting used to doing that in public, but you also get
to see me editing when back home. Possibly helpful for people that don't
find a local mapping community.

Both the West Midlands group and Nottingham pub meets move around. They may
be open to doing a meetup closer if you get in touch with them.

All the best,
Gregory.


On Sun, 28 Jul 2019 at 12:12, Gareth L  wrote:

> Hi Graham,
>
> There’s a couple local Osm mapping groups which also do meet ups. They are
> http://www.mappa-mercia.org/ (slightly West Midlands focussed but you’re
> not far!) and also a meet-up in derby/Nottingham that is more East Midlands
> focussed. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nottingham/Pub_Meetup
>
> Anything you’re unsure of how to do you can  leave map notes on the map
> with details and/or contribute data through street level imagery services
> like mapillary.
>
> Also,  I use https://tyrasd.github.io/latest-changes/#13/52.7481/-1.5156 to
> see who has been contributing near me, and what. It can give me ideas on
> what to do next.
>
> Welcome
> Gareth
>
> On 27 Jul 2019, at 08:16, Graham Bowers  wrote:
>
> Is anybody local mapping here that I could tag along with to learn the
> ropes please?
> My activity thus far has been editing the cycling infrastructure to allow
> routing websites to route correctly.
> There is construction activity in the area that does need mapping and does
> have cycling infrastructure impact but it's more than I's wish to tackle
> without knowing quite a bit more than I do now.
> Thanks
> Graham
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Christoph Hormann]

On Wednesday 07 August 2019, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
> I think that part of the motivation for doing surveys is that there
> was a belief that some people don't want to say something in public
> e.g. on a mailing list for fear of their opinion being challenged.

The question is if this fear is about them being challenged or their 
opinion being challenged.

The idea that there might be people who have (a) an interest in their 
opinion being heard and at the same time (b) a fear of their opinion 
being challenged even in anonymity (meaning that no one except them 
knows it is their opinion) is intriguing.

Anyway - what i would have liked to see is the survey providing *the 
option* for participants to allow the publication of their anonymized 
individual answers, not *the requirement* to allow this. 

> Of course, if you say your opinion through an intermediary, there is
> *always* the risk of the intermediary deliberately or accidentally
> misinterpreting our opinion. That's the downside, and the upside is
> you get so say what you think without anyone challenging you about
> it. It's a deal that you can take if you want; and if you don't want
> it then you can *still* post your opinion on a mailing list or forum
> or your user diary, where you can speak directly without being
> interpreted by an intermediary - or even post your survey responses
> publicly like you did.

By speaking directly and publishing my responses i risk being challenged 
and criticized personally.  While i don't mind this there are 
definitely a lot of people who don't want or can't do this.  And many 
of them probably would not mind their answers being published 
anonymously.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Faites s'il vous plaît suivre au gestionnaire du site : https://festival-avignon.com/fr/acces-au-festival

[François Lacombe]

Bonsoir,

C'est ajouté, en incluant les actions de Philippe L
https://twitter.com/__phiphou__/status/1158424031227469824

François

Le mer. 7 août 2019 à 10:09, Jacques Lavignotte  a
écrit :

> Bookmarqué.
>
> Merci. J.
>
> Le 07/08/2019 à 08:26, deuzeffe a écrit :
> > Une màj de
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Lacking_proper_attribution
> > peut-être ?
> >
> > On 06/08/2019 20:53, Jacques Lavignotte wrote:
> >> Bonjour,
> >>
> >>
> >> https://festival-avignon.com/fr/acces-au-festival
> >>
> >>   utilise un fond de carte @OSM_FR mais sans l'indiquer nulle part :(
> >>
> >> Pourtant l'attribution n'est pas une option et c'est bien expliqué sur
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
> >>
> >> Merci d'avance de faire le nécessaire.
> >>
> >> Jacques Lavignotte, contributeur OSM.
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Wikipedia :: Intégration OSM Hum-hum...

[Jérôme Villafruela]

Le 07/08/2019 à 22:07, Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :

Bonsoir,

Je pense que Wikipedia permet une meilleure intégration d'une carte OSM
que ce qui a été fait ici :

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_arch%C3%A9ologique_du_Vieux-Poitiers


En effet on peut maintenant utiliser des cartes interactives comme je 
l'ait fait ici : 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sept_merveilles_du_Dauphin%C3%A9


Plus d'infos dans cette présentation de Guillaume Allègre : 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:GAllegre/Pr%C3%A9sentations/Cartes_dynamiques_et_Nazca 



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[François Lacombe]

Bonsoir Marc,

Le mar. 6 août 2019 à 20:42, marc marc  a écrit :

> je vous trouve très dur, inutilement dur... sortez de votre bulle !
>

Dans la forme pour ce coup, certainement.
Quoi que je n'en ai pas rajouté vu que beaucoup de contacts sont partis
pour ce cas-ci.

Sur le fond en revanche, je pense que nos signalements pressants sont
légitimes.
Cela fait des années que je passe beaucoup de temps à vérifier
l'utilisation du contenu que je publie en CC (pas pour osm donc).
Effectivement peu de monde ne respecte.
J'ai du envoyer des centaines de mails, à des acteurs publics comme privés
qui réutilisent des photos sans respecter les conditions (certains n'ont
jamais donné suite ni pris de mesures, tout va bien)

Avoir des acteurs qui ont encore cette approche binaire gratuit/payant
après tout le remue-ménage autour des directives copyright en tout genre,
du domaine publique et autre, c'est un peu gros (ou alors c'est qu'on en a
pas assez parlé).
C'est un autre sujet, mais je pense que ce serait aussi à eux de sortir de
leur bulle pour que tout le monde se rencontre.
Les efforts ne peuvent pas toujours venir de ceux qui font, devant en plus
être indulgent avec ceux qui profitent.

François
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Proposition - Approuvée - Armement de supports aériens

[François Lacombe]

Merci pour les retours :)

Le mar. 6 août 2019 à 21:42, Christian Quest  a
écrit :

>
> line_attachment=wtf ?
>

Celle là je n'y avais pas pensé, mais on va la garder, ne serait-ce que
pour documenter les nombreuses variations françaises par endroits !
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 8/7/19 23:24, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> In other words: What the survey says is you are welcome to provide your 
> ideas through the survey but we, the creators of the survey, reserve 
> the right to interpret your answers as we see fit and neither you nor 
> anyone else may correct us if we do not correctly interpret what you 
> wrote.

I think that part of the motivation for doing surveys is that there was
a belief that some people don't want to say something in public e.g. on
a mailing list for fear of their opinion being challenged.

Of course, if you say your opinion through an intermediary, there is
*always* the risk of the intermediary deliberately or accidentally
misinterpreting our opinion. That's the downside, and the upside is you
get so say what you think without anyone challenging you about it. It's
a deal that you can take if you want; and if you don't want it then you
can *still* post your opinion on a mailing list or forum or your user
diary, where you can speak directly without being interpreted by an
intermediary - or even post your survey responses publicly like you did.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[john whelan]

Creating a survey that works takes a lot of effort and it is quite
specialised.

Next time it might be worth asking some of the people who like to survey
the OSM community to build the survey incorporating a couple of questions
of their own and do a test run first.

Cheerio John

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 5:27 PM Christoph Hormann,  wrote:

> On Wednesday 07 August 2019, Simon Poole wrote:
> >
> > @the designers of the survey. The question wrt remote mapping would
> > seem to be designed to achieve a specific result.
>
> I can also see some expectations and assumptions being visible 'between
> the lines' in some questions but this looks more like projecting own
> preconceptions and state of mind and less like active manipulation.
>
> There seem to be overall a lot of questions where there is a high
> likelihood that many participants will answer a different question than
> what those designing the survey wanted to ask - due to unclear and
> vague terminology for example and due to ambiguous references.
>
> The question you referred to for example says
>
> "Do you remotely map other countries?"
>
> and it is unclear if the "other" refers to the country where you live or
> to "where do you map mostly".  Pure armchair mappers only mapping in a
> single country might answer "No" to this question.
>
> My main concern is rather that there are a lot of free form questions
> yet there is no option for the participants to allow publication of the
> individual free form answers in anonymized form.  This means we will -
> just like in the previous survey - only learn about any of these
> answers through the lens of the subjective interpretation of those
> making the aggregation.  This provides a lot of room for distortion
> through either cultural bias or deliberate selectivity of those doing
> the aggregation which kind of defeats the whole idea of doing a survey
> to reach parts of the community that are otherwise not visible.
>
> In other words: What the survey says is you are welcome to provide your
> ideas through the survey but we, the creators of the survey, reserve
> the right to interpret your answers as we see fit and neither you nor
> anyone else may correct us if we do not correctly interpret what you
> wrote.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Christoph Hormann]

On Wednesday 07 August 2019, Simon Poole wrote:
>
> @the designers of the survey. The question wrt remote mapping would
> seem to be designed to achieve a specific result.

I can also see some expectations and assumptions being visible 'between 
the lines' in some questions but this looks more like projecting own 
preconceptions and state of mind and less like active manipulation.

There seem to be overall a lot of questions where there is a high 
likelihood that many participants will answer a different question than 
what those designing the survey wanted to ask - due to unclear and 
vague terminology for example and due to ambiguous references.

The question you referred to for example says

"Do you remotely map other countries?"

and it is unclear if the "other" refers to the country where you live or  
to "where do you map mostly".  Pure armchair mappers only mapping in a 
single country might answer "No" to this question.

My main concern is rather that there are a lot of free form questions 
yet there is no option for the participants to allow publication of the 
individual free form answers in anonymized form.  This means we will - 
just like in the previous survey - only learn about any of these 
answers through the lens of the subjective interpretation of those 
making the aggregation.  This provides a lot of room for distortion 
through either cultural bias or deliberate selectivity of those doing 
the aggregation which kind of defeats the whole idea of doing a survey 
to reach parts of the community that are otherwise not visible.

In other words: What the survey says is you are welcome to provide your 
ideas through the survey but we, the creators of the survey, reserve 
the right to interpret your answers as we see fit and neither you nor 
anyone else may correct us if we do not correctly interpret what you 
wrote.

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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[totera]

Andrea Musuruane wrote
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:34 AM Marcello 

> arcanma@

>  wrote:
> 
>> Andrea,
>>
>> quindi secondo te è sbagliato aggiungere l'informazione dell'indirizzo ad
>> un POI? A me sembra utile averla, anche se è presente la stessa
>> informazione sul nodo che identifica il civico dell'edificio. Se volessi
>> fare un'estrazione dei ristoranti di una città anche con l'informazione
>> dell'indirizzo, n. telefonico ecc. sarebbe immediato, altrimenti no.
>>
> 
> Premetto che OSM non sono le Pagine Gialle (TM).

Quindi su Openstreetmap non ci dovrebbero essere i POI? Oppure ci potrebbero
essere purché senza indirizzo (che peraltro è un dato geografico, a
differenza ad esempio del numero di stelle di un hotel o della presenza del
wi-fi...)?


> Quello che chiedi è un tag tipo contact:addr:*

No, sono proprio i tag addr:* che da wiki sono "used to provide address
information for buildings and facilities", e il cui primo caso d'uso è "If
it is a point of interest" (da
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr).



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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[totera]

Andrea Musuruane wrote
> L'indirizzo è composto da una serie di informazioni (strada e/o luogo,
> numero civico, comune, nazione) che consentono di identificare un punto (e
> non un edificio!).

Scusa, ma mi pare che tu stia confondendo la finalità della numerazione
civica con i suoi criteri di attribuzione.

La normativa stabilisce di assegnare un numero a ogni ingresso, ma la
numerazione serve anche a identificare abitazioni, attività commerciali,
ecc. che si trovano nella stessa via.

Nelle delibere comunali poi quando si fa riferimento a un edificio si parla
di "edificio sito al civico 17 di via Tal de' Tali" anziché di "edificio a
cui si accede dal civico 17 di via Tal de' Tali".


> Inoltre, gli edifici possono avere più indirizzi in presenza di differenti
> accessi esterni che dall'area di circolazione (strada, piazza, via, ecc)
> immettono direttamente o indirettamente alle unità immobiliari
> (abitazioni,
> esercizi commerciali, uffici, garage, ecc.). Quindi l'associazione
> indirizzo - edificio non è una funzione biettiva.

Le unità immobiliari possono avere più accessi ma al catasto saranno censite
con un solo indirizzo.


> Poi ci sono edifici ai quali si accede da un determinato indirizzo. E ai
> quali in questo caso tu vorresti assegnare nuovamente i tag addr:*. Questo
> lo trovo sbagliato perché l'indirizzo era dove c'è la targhetta del numero
> civico.

Negli stessi SIT sui siti di molti comuni i civici sono posizionati
sull'edificio e non sull'accesso dall'area di circolazione proprio per
permettere di identificare quale sia il civico dell'edificio o viceversa a
quale edificio il civico faccia riferimento. Tutto sbagliato anche lì?


> Aggiungendo questa informazione, non hai inserito una informazione utile.
> Anzi, ne stai inserendo una errata, che crea anche dei problemi. Con il
> navigatore, per esempio, io voglio trovare l'accesso (dove in
> corrispondenza del quale è presente il campanello, la cassetta della
> posta,
> ecc). Se lo duplichi, come si fa a sapere dove andare?

Capisco il tuo richiamo alla normativa ISTAT, ma vorrei farti notare che
essa è largamente disattesa dagli stessi comuni, e nella realtà si
incontrano spesso queste situazioni:
- due, tre o un numero anche maggiore di civici messi tutti insieme su un
accesso condiviso da più edifici
- civici posizionati sull'edificio in un punto non raggiungibile dai non
residenti e cancello sull'area di circolazione con citofoni e cassette della
posta ma senza civico
- i famigerati snc (che immagino siano tutti dovuti a inadempienza dei
comuni)


> La duplicazione di tag addr:* identici viene giustamente segnalata dal
> validatore di JOSM.

Il validatore e gli strumenti simili però accettano l'indirizzo sulle aree.
Se tu ritieni che l'indirizzo vada su un punto devi rinunciare a pretendere
l'unicità.

Quello che è ben più grave però è che dal combinato disposto delle regole
"nessun indirizzo duplicato" e "indirizzo sull'accesso" alcuni mappatori
posizionano i punti di interesse interni agli edifici sul perimetro o
addirittura all'esterno.

Ciao,
Gianluca



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[Talk-bo] Se justifica este elemento en el Mapa?

[Juan Jose Iglesias]

Saludos

Esta Línea Roja del Trópico de Cochabamba se justifica en el Mapa?

Changeset #52600726

Way https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/529718384

Fue creado hace 2 años como un barrier=hedge


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[OSM-talk-fr] Wikipedia :: Intégration OSM Hum-hum...

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Bonsoir,

Je pense que Wikipedia permet une meilleure intégration d'une carte OSM
que ce qui a été fait ici :

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site_arch%C3%A9ologique_du_Vieux-Poitiers

A vous les studios.

J.

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Re: [Talk-transit] Long bus routes

[michael spreng]

Hi

On 06/08/2019 15:06, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
> 
> The currently mapped Flixbus routes are just guessing as well - buses
> can deviate as long as they make the scheduled stops.
> I think so as well, judging from newspaper articles about bus drivers
taking wrong routes (not leading to the station)

But I'd like to get back to the sustainability argument. It is difficult
editing data with routes and not breaking them. We should not require
experts to edit roads. We should keep the relations manageable. It pains
me to see new mappers attacked by experienced ones, because their
favourite bus route broke. For me edits on the roads have priority and
we should not require knowledge of the route part of PT relations.

Anyway, I'm in favour of not adding routes to those long range bus
relations. If someone maps them, they should not complain if they break.
I don't see The use case.

Michael

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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Christoph Hormann]

On Wednesday 07 August 2019, Dorothea Kazazi wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
> was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and
> its aim is to stimulate  discussions in local communities and at the
> Local Chapters Congress at SotM.
>
> https://osmf.limequery.org/428835

Answer to "Check any of the following to describe your involvement in 
OpenStreetMap" will be different in the German and English version for 
anyone self-employed with OSM connections.

As with the last survey i published my answers:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/imagico/diary/390441

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Re: [Talk-es] Vías e instalaciones en zonas militares.

[dcapillae]

Buenas tardes.

Respecto de la pregunta sobre cómo mapear cuarteles de la Guardia Civil,
obviamente con «amenity=police». Si se quiere especificar alguna instalación
en concreto, se puede hacer pero sin usar etiquetas reservadas para
instalaciones militares. En OSM existen etiquetas para instalaciones
militares y etiquetas para instalaciones policiales [1].

Tampoco es correcto usar «landuse=military» en un cuartel de la Guardia
Civil o de la Policía Nacional. La función de estos dos cuerpos es
fundamentalmente de seguridad, no de defensa, como en el caso de los
militares. Los que hayan cumplido algún servicio militar sabrán cuál es la
diferencia entre un cuartel militar y uno policial, como los que usan los
policias nacionales o los guardias civiles.

Que no nos confunda el nombre ni su estructura más o menos ligada con
fuerzas militares: los guardias civiles, los policías nacionales, los
carabineros italianos, los gendarmes franceses... todos son cuerpos
policiales y sus instalaciones se mapean con «amenity=police».


Atentamente,
Daniel

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:police



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Re: [Talk-de] Änderungen im Wiki: Tag:public transport=platform

[Rolf Eike Beer]

Am Mittwoch, 7. August 2019, 20:18:56 CEST schrieb KvMP via Talk-de:
> Hallo!
> 
> Aufgrund von (sehr vielen) ??nderungen eines Nutzers in meiner Umgebung der
> von allen Bushaltestellen im name-Tag konsequent den eigentlichen Namen der
> Haltestelle entfernt hat und so den Namen auf die Plattform-Nummerierung
> verst??mmelt hat, ist mir nach Pr??fung des Wikis aufgefallen, dass
> Wiki-Benutzer _Famosm_ recht gravierende ??nderungen an der Dokumentation
> der Tags gemacht hat [1]. So wurde bei name=* - frei ??bersetzt - von "Name
> der Station, Nummer kommt in ref=*" ge??ndert in "Nummer der Station" und
> bei ref=* von "Nummer der Station" ge??ndert zu "Bedienende Buslinien".
> Diese ??nderungen finde ich h??chst fragw??rdig und kontrovers, unter
> anderem mit Blick auf local_ref=* und route_ref=*. Eine ??hnliche ??nderung
> gab es im deutschen Artikel [2].

Abgesehen von deinen kaputten Umlauten bin ich ganz deiner Meinung.

Eike

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[talk-latam] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Marco Antonio]

Hola,

La «Fundación OpenStreetMap» está realizando una encuesta de 25
preguntas (1 obligatoria y el resto opcional), hasta el 21 de Agosto
de 2019.

El enlace a la encuesta en español: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=es

La encuesta quiere conocer:
* si existen comunidades locales en varias partes del mundo,
* ¿cómo las comunidades locales están conectadas con la comunidad
global de OpenStreetMap?,
* ¿qué acciones debe emprender la Fundación OpenStreetMap?
* ¿Qué preocupaciones e ideas tiene la comunidad?

Mencionan que la encuesta no es cuantitativa, es decir que la encuesta
es un medio de recopilar información para tomar decisiones mejor
informadas en el congreso de capítulos locales de la SotM de este año.
También se puede enviar respuestas grupales previas discusiones. En la
encuesta hay más información,

Abrazos,
Marco Antonio

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From: Dorothea Kazazi 
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 11:03
Subject: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
To: 

Hello,
The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and its
aim is to stimulate  discussions in local communities and at the Local
Chapters Congress at SotM.

https://osmf.limequery.org/428835

~ The survey will run for two weeks.
~ Only one question is mandatory: "How can we share your answers?".

There is more information on the scope of the survey and approach on the
opening page.

warm greetings,
Dorothea

~~
Links you can share for different languages:
English (Base language): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=en
Chinese (Simplified): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hans
Chinese (Traditional; Hong Kong):
https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hant-HK
French: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fr
German: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=de
Hungarian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=hu
Italian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=it
Lithuanian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=lt
Persian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fa
Portuguese (Brazilian): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=pt-BR

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[Talk-de] Änderungen im Wiki: Tag:public transport=platform

[KvMP via Talk-de]

Hallo!

Aufgrund von (sehr vielen) ??nderungen eines Nutzers in meiner Umgebung der von 
allen Bushaltestellen im name-Tag konsequent den eigentlichen Namen der 
Haltestelle entfernt hat und so den Namen auf die Plattform-Nummerierung 
verst??mmelt hat, ist mir nach Pr??fung des Wikis aufgefallen, dass 
Wiki-Benutzer _Famosm_ recht gravierende ??nderungen an der Dokumentation der 
Tags gemacht hat [1]. So wurde bei name=* - frei ??bersetzt - von "Name der 
Station, Nummer kommt in ref=*" ge??ndert in "Nummer der Station" und bei ref=* 
von "Nummer der Station" ge??ndert zu "Bedienende Buslinien". Diese ??nderungen 
finde ich h??chst fragw??rdig und kontrovers, unter anderem mit Blick auf 
local_ref=* und route_ref=*.
Eine ??hnliche ??nderung gab es im deutschen Artikel [2].

In der Diskussionsseite kn??pfte Famosm an eine Diskussion, gestartet am 17. 
Juni 2013, an [3] und verwies auf das Proposal von PTv2 [4] und zitierte daraus 
"The name by which the platform is known.". Nun ist diese Aussage wahrlich 
nicht unmissverst??ndlich, aber gerade deswegen finde ich die durchgef??hrten 
??nderungen problematisch, da f??r mich ein Haltepunkt eben nicht "A" hei??t, 
sondern "Hansahaus A" oder vielleicht auch "Hansahaus" - beide Male am besten 
mit local_ref=* versehen.
Auch ganz praktisch f??hrt ein solches Namensschema zu Problemen. Man stelle 
sich vor JOSM zeigt im Relations-Editor nur noch A, B, C an, ich glaube dann 
werden sich noch weniger Benutzer finden, die sich um die Pflege der 
??PNV-Linien k??mmern.

Die ??nderungen am ref=* kann ich ??berhaupt nicht nachvollziehen, da sich 
diese f??r mich nicht aus dem Proposal ergibt. Ganz im Gegenteil, aus "The 
reference by which the platform is known." kann ich nicht schlie??en, dass man 
pl??tzlich Buslinien taggen soll.


Wie ist hier die Haltung zu dieser ??nderungen und wird eine Revertierung 
dieser unterst??tzt?
In der OSM-Telegram-Gruppe hatte ich mich mal erkundigt und dort stie?? diese 
??nderung auf Ablehnung.

Beste Gre


[1] ??nderung durch _Famosm_ im englischsprachigen Artikel: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform=1849464=1827664
[2] ??nderung durch _Famosm_ im deutschsprachigen Artikel: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=DE:Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform=1849505=1817840
[3] Diskussions-Beitrag durch _Famosm_: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:public_transport%3Dplatform#Name_tag
[4] Proposal PTv2: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=625726#Platform

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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Dorothea Kazazi]

Hello,

A Spanish translation was just sent to us. It is now live at:
https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=es

If anyone wants to translate the survey to additional languages, please 
note that you have to:

- commit to translate the answers
- sign a non-disclosure agreement 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/b/be/OSMF_Non_Disclosure_Agreement_20180911.pdf


Thank you.

warm greetings,
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[OSM-talk] Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial highlights the value of open data and Earth observations

[Suchith Anand via talk]

 

GEO session at FOSS4G 2019 [1]  might be interest. It is a great opportunity to 
learn more about  GEO [2], the GEO Work Programme and explore potential avenues 
for collaboration.





Details at https://www.earthobservations.org/geo_blog_obs.php?id=370




Best wishes,




Suchith 







[1]https://2019.foss4g.org

[2]https://www.earthobservations.org






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Re: [Talk-es] Parroquias civiles y demás

[dcapillae]

Buenas tardes.


Iago Casabiell wrote
> Las siguientes no están establecidas en España:
> 9 > parroquias  > con role=label PROPONGO un place=civil_parish marcando
> la etiqueta en el centro del territorio parroquial y un
> *role=admin_centre* marcando la capital, que probablemente será un
> place=village | hamlet

No entiendo cuál es la propuesta. Las parroquias civiles sí están
establecidas. Aparecen como tales en la tabla de niveles administrativos:
diputaciones, pedanias, parroquias civiles, hermandades, concejos (en
Navarra o Álava), correspondiendo precisamente con el nivel administrativo 9
(«admin_level=9»). En cuanto a la etiqueta de lugar «place=civil_parish»
también está en uso y se usa precisamente para mapear parroquias civiles
[2].

¿Cuál es la propuesta? No veo nada nuevo en este punto.

Me parece bien como estás mapeando las parroquias civiles, precisamente como
el wiki dice que hay que hacerlo [2]. En cuanto a lo demás, poco tengo que
decir. La importancia territorial de una localidad es algo difícil de
determinar. Podríamos caer fácilmente en criterios subjetivos. El criterio
de la población es objetivo. En el grupo hay varios geógrafos, así que mejor
que se pronuncien ellos sobre si merece al pena cambiar de criterio. A mí me
da lo mismo.

Atentamente,
Daniel


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dcivil_parish



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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[marc marc]

Thanks Mikel and Eugene.
a reaction to my idea of being able to receive a follow-up ?

Le 07.08.19 à 17:08, Mikel Maron a écrit :
> We did this write up on how the previous survey was useful for board 
> discussions, and some summary of what was raised 
> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/06/13/surveying-openstreetmap/
> 
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 05:55:35 PM GMT+3, marc marc 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> where are the results of the previous survey and the resulting actions
> available?
> I don't remember the exact title but I'm talking about the investigation
> about what osmf could/should do, a few months ago.
> it would be nice to be able to indicate that you want to receive a
> notification when it is available, as not everyone reads the minutes of
> the different groups to find a follow-up to what they have participated.
> 
> Regard,
> Marc
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[Talk-es] Parroquias civiles y demás

[Iago Casabiell]

Buenas editores de Openstreetmap.

En Galicia las parroquias civiles tienen sus límites claramente definidos
(ver WMS: wms:
http://ideg.xunta.es/servizos/services/LimitesAdministrativos/LimitesAdministrativos/MapServer/WmsServer?)
y son esenciales para comprender el territorio, tanto históricamente (están
establecidos desde mucho antes que la iglesia, al igual que en Irlanda,
Gran Bretaña, la Bretaña francesa, Asturias y Norte de Portugal) como en la
actualidad (hay aldeas con el mismo nombre en distintas parroquias del
mismo municipio, y no definir las parroquias en OSM dará pie a equivocos).

Desde hace unos años he estado dándole vueltas a como incorporarlas en OSM
y existen varias opciones. En Irlanda ya lo tienen hecho, y simplemente
hacen una relación con varias vías que funcionan como *role=outer* y le
añaden *boundary=civil_parish*, pero creo que hay un sistema mucho mejor, y
acorde con las relaciones de comunidades autónomas, provincias y municipios:

Estos territorios de mayor envergadura están definidos en relaciones con
los tags:
*type=boundary*
*boundary=administrative*
*admin_level=**
**4* > comunidades autónomas > con *role=label* un *place=state* marcando
la etiqueta en el centro del territorio autonómico y un *role=admin_centre*
marcando la capital, que será un *place=city*
**6* > provincias  > con *role=label* un *place=province* marcando la
etiqueta en el centro del territorio provincial y un
*role=admin_centre* marcando
la capital, que será un *place=city*
**7* > comarcas  > con *role=label* un *place=county* marcando la etiqueta
en el centro del territorio comarcal y un *role=admin_centre* marcando la
capital, que será un *place=city | town | village*
**8* > municipios  > con *role=label* un *place=municipality* marcando la
etiqueta en el centro del territorio municipal y un
*role=admin_centre* marcando
la capital, que será probablemente será un *place=town | village | hamlet*

Las siguientes no están establecidas en España:
**9* > parroquias  > con *role=label* PROPONGO un *place=civil_parish*
marcando la etiqueta en el centro del territorio parroquial y un
*role=admin_centre* marcando la capital, que probablemente será un
*place=village
| hamlet*

En los últimos meses se han incluido las parroquias de varios municipios y
se ha utilizado tanto *place=suburb* como *place=village*, ambos
incorrectos para marcar un territorio y simplemente para que apareciese en
el renderer, en ocasiones cambiando a *place=village* aldeas de menos de
100 hab. Si está ocurriendo esto, es por la importancia que tiene resaltar
las parroquias, y debemos preparar mecanismos para hacerlo correctamete, o
al menos avanzar en esa dirección. Los renderers se adaptan más tarde, pero
eso ya lo sabemos.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dcivil_parish

**10* > lugares (para marcar límites de suelo urbano o suelo de núcleo
rural)  > con *role=label* un *place=isolated_dwelling | hamlet | village |
town | city*

Ver la tabla del wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries

Con todo esto quiero poner en común este tema y abrir el debate para
definir la forma exacta de proceder en todo el país, y tal vez que nos
pongamos de acuerdo también con las comunidades de otros paises con
territorios submunicipales bien definidos.

Como lo mapeo yo (ejemplo: municipio de Negreira en A Coruña):
Dibujo las vías que conforman el límite de parroquia. Las agrupo, añadiendo
trozos del límite municipal si es necesario, en una relación con:



*type=boundaryboundary=administrativeadmin_level=9name=Logrosa* (ojo que no
pongo la adscripción -Santa Baia de Logrosa- a no ser que haya dos nombres
iguales en el mismo municipio)
*description:en=Civil parish*
*description:es=Parroquia civil*
*descripion:gl=Parroquia civil*
*wikipedia=gl:Logrosa, Negreira*
*wikidata=Q12954094*
*population=375*
*population_date=2014*
y a todas estas vías le asigno el *role=outer | inner*

además añado dos nodos:
un *place=civil_parish* con el *role=label* para marcar la etiqueta del
territorio en el centro
un *place=isolated_dwelling | hamlet | village* (para 2 casas | menos de
1000 hab | 1000 hab o más) con el *role=admin_centre* para indicar que esa
es la capital

y por útlimo cierro la relación y edito ese último nodo con los datos
*wikipedia=Logrosa, Logrosa, Negreira*
*wikidata=Q12392065*
*population=62*
*population_date=2017*
etc... y le marco
*capital=9*


La etiqueta *place=civil_parish* permite también marcar una parroquia sin
definir el territorio, tal vez útil para mapeos rápidos o para zonas de
España donde no estén los límites tan definidos.

A parte estaría bien terminar las listas de presets del editor JOSM, las
territoriales incluyen:




*place=continentplace=countryplace=stateplace=regionplace=county*
y faltan:



*place=provinceplace=districtplace=municipalityplace=civil_parish*

Y también *establecer un criterio claro* y bien definido para clasificar
como 

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Tobias Knerr]

Hi Marc,

On 07.08.19 16:53, marc marc wrote:
> where are the results of the previous survey and the resulting actions 
> available?

there were two surveys run by the OSMF in the past months. One was the
survey in advance of the board's face to face meeting in Brussels. We
summarized these survey results as part of this blog post:

https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/06/13/surveying-openstreetmap/

Unfortunately, we cannot share the raw dataset as we failed to ask the
participants for their permission to publish their responses. However,
if you have specific questions about the results, we'll try to answer if
possible!

The most commonly mentioned concerns were discussed immediately at the
boards face-to-face meeting in Brussels, and board members are currently
tasked to work on several of them. There were also some ideas which we
felt were not part of the board's responsibilities, so we decided to
forward these to the appropriate parties.

A second, more recent survey was directed to working groups. This effort
is still ongoing – not all groups have responded so far, and I believe
we haven't evaluated the responses in detail yet.

Yours,
Tobias

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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:55 PM marc marc  wrote:

> where are the results of the previous survey and the resulting actions
> available?
> I don't remember the exact title but I'm talking about the investigation
> about what osmf could/should do, a few months ago.
>

The OSMF Board published a blog post on the main OSM blog about the results
of that survey including some possible action items:
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/06/13/surveying-openstreetmap/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Mikel Maron]

We did this write up on how the previous survey was useful for board 
discussions, and some summary of what was raised 
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2019/06/13/surveying-openstreetmap/

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 05:55:35 PM GMT+3, marc marc 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello,

where are the results of the previous survey and the resulting actions 
available?
I don't remember the exact title but I'm talking about the investigation 
about what osmf could/should do, a few months ago.
it would be nice to be able to indicate that you want to receive a 
notification when it is available, as not everyone reads the minutes of 
the different groups to find a follow-up to what they have participated.

Regard,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[marc marc]

Hello,

where are the results of the previous survey and the resulting actions 
available?
I don't remember the exact title but I'm talking about the investigation 
about what osmf could/should do, a few months ago.
it would be nice to be able to indicate that you want to receive a 
notification when it is available, as not everyone reads the minutes of 
the different groups to find a follow-up to what they have participated.

Regard,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Dorothea Kazazi]

Hi Simon :)


There's a typo in the section on communication channels, the first
occurrence of "other mailing lists" is mangled.


Thanks, it is un-mangled now :)

warm greetings,
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView - updates

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hi,


The reason for this is that there isn't a 'next' panorama as such; rather than 
a linear sequence of panoramas, it's a network, so at a junction there might be 
multiple routes to follow - it uses the underlying OSM way network to navigate.


It's in the todo list to provide Mapillary (and StreetView) like arrows 
superimposed on the ground, but this isn't implemented just yet.


Nick


From: Dave F 
Sent: 06 August 2019 16:18:46
To: osm-talk 
Cc: Nick Whitelegg 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView - updates

Hi

I find it slightly irritating the next panorama icon isn't in a constant 
location on the screen. Is there a key shortcut or maybe add directions arrows 
at the top of the screen similar to Mapilary?

Cheers
DaveF

On 06/08/2019 15:58, Nick Whitelegg wrote:


Hi,


To follow up my post of a couple of months ago, I have made a few updates to 
OpenTrailView, a StreetView-like application which allows users to upload 360 
panoramas which will then be automatically linked using underlying OSM ways, 
allowing users to navigate from panorama to panorama.


It now allows you to login with your OSM credentials, removing the need to 
create a separate account - in fact I have removed the signup facility so if 
you signed up before, you should now login using your OSM username instead.


It also has a facility to allow you to set the position of a panorama if EXIF 
latitude and longitude metadata is not present. This can be done either by 
clicking on the map to position the panorama, or by using a GPX file recorded 
at the same time to position panoramas automatically by using EXIF and GPX 
timestamps.


URL: https://www.opentrailview.org/




Gitlab repo: https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview/


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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hyperlink in window van een pointer werkt niet

[Familie Nouws]

Hoi,

Ik zie dat je javascript een waarschuwing geeft bij het klikken op een
pointer: " MouseEvent.mozPressure is deprecated. Use PointerEvent.pressure
instead. ". Ik denk dat je het in die richting moet zoeken.

Groeten en succes,
Henk


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> Op mijn website heb ik een Openstreetmap kaart geplaatst met pointers
> http://members.home.nl/jp.de.groot/merklappen.htm . Bij het aanklikken
> van een pointer verschijnt een informatie window met tekst, afbeelding en
> of een hyperlink. Als ik de hyperlink probeer aan te klikken verdwijnt de
> window. Wat moet ik in de broncode aanpassen om de window te fixeren en de
> hyperlink te kunnen aanklikken?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Mikel Maron]

Also note that no questions are required, so you can skip if most comfortable 
with that. 
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 05:00:05 PM GMT+3, Mikel Maron 
 wrote:  
 
 > The question wrt remote mapping would seem to be designed to achieve a 
 >specific result. 


Not at all. But please do feel free to answer truthfully, and explain anything 
in the previous question "Where do you map mostly?"


* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 04:31:38 PM GMT+3, Simon Poole 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Dorothea

There's a typo in the section on communication channels, the first
occurrence of "other mailing lists" is mangled.

@the designers of the survey. The question wrt remote mapping would seem
to be designed to achieve a specific result. While a truthful answer on
my behalf would require a yes, because now and then I'll map remote and
if it is simply reverting a changeset on request of a remote mapper, but
that doesn't mean that a) I in general think it is a good idea, b) it is
any significant part of my contributions.

Simon

Am 07.08.2019 um 12:59 schrieb Dorothea Kazazi:
> Hello,
>
> The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
> was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and its
> aim is to stimulate  discussions in local communities and at the Local
> Chapters Congress at SotM.
>
> https://osmf.limequery.org/428835
>
> ~ The survey will run for two weeks.
> ~ Only one question is mandatory: "How can we share your answers?".
>
> There is more information on the scope of the survey and approach on
> the opening page.
>
> warm greetings,
>
> Dorothea
>
>
> ~~
> Links you can share for different languages:
>
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> Chinese (Traditional; Hong Kong):
> https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hant-HK
> French: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fr
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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Mikel Maron]

> The question wrt remote mapping would seem to be designed to achieve a 
>specific result. 


Not at all. But please do feel free to answer truthfully, and explain anything 
in the previous question "Where do you map mostly?"


* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 04:31:38 PM GMT+3, Simon Poole 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Dorothea

There's a typo in the section on communication channels, the first
occurrence of "other mailing lists" is mangled.

@the designers of the survey. The question wrt remote mapping would seem
to be designed to achieve a specific result. While a truthful answer on
my behalf would require a yes, because now and then I'll map remote and
if it is simply reverting a changeset on request of a remote mapper, but
that doesn't mean that a) I in general think it is a good idea, b) it is
any significant part of my contributions.

Simon

Am 07.08.2019 um 12:59 schrieb Dorothea Kazazi:
> Hello,
>
> The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
> was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and its
> aim is to stimulate  discussions in local communities and at the Local
> Chapters Congress at SotM.
>
> https://osmf.limequery.org/428835
>
> ~ The survey will run for two weeks.
> ~ Only one question is mandatory: "How can we share your answers?".
>
> There is more information on the scope of the survey and approach on
> the opening page.
>
> warm greetings,
>
> Dorothea
>
>
> ~~
> Links you can share for different languages:
>
> English (Base language): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=en
> Chinese (Simplified): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hans
> Chinese (Traditional; Hong Kong):
> https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hant-HK
> French: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fr
> German: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=de
> Hungarian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=hu
> Italian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=it
> Lithuanian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=lt
> Persian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fa
> Portuguese (Brazilian): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=pt-BR
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hyperlink in window van een pointer werkt niet

[Marc Gemis]

Ik heb even gezocht op "leaflet keep popup up" en vond
bv https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30649919/leaflet-keep-popup-open

helpt dit ?

mvg

m

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>
> Op mijn website heb ik een Openstreetmap kaart geplaatst met pointers 
> http://members.home.nl/jp.de.groot/merklappen.htm . Bij het aanklikken van 
> een pointer verschijnt een informatie window met tekst, afbeelding en of een 
> hyperlink. Als ik de hyperlink probeer aan te klikken verdwijnt de window. 
> Wat moet ik in de broncode aanpassen om de window te fixeren en de hyperlink 
> te kunnen aanklikken?
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] `computer_vision_assisted=yes` changeset tag?

[Philip Barnes]

On Wednesday, 7 August 2019, marc marc wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>  > “This edit was assisted by computer vision”
>  > is useful metadata, no?
> 
> I use a lot of such datas (traffic sign from mapillary via osmose)
> I review it (viewing the picture myself) before any change to avoid some 
> false positive and to improve localisation.
> who 'll made what if I add computer_vision_assisted changeset tag ?
> for stat ? why not.
> but in this case, it may also be needed to add humain_reviewed,
> humain_improved, integration_tools and so...
> 
> currently I put source=mapillary source:date
> I see a lot of mappers unable to fill a source tag,
> for ex because a major editor doesn't promote enought a changeset
> source tag. it would probably be best to start by having at least
> the source tag everywhere before pushing for more secondary tags
> 
I agree, mapillary can detect all sorts of temporary signs such as speed limits 
through roadworks meaning they will always require a human with local knowledge 
to review.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Simon Poole]

Hi Dorothea

There's a typo in the section on communication channels, the first
occurrence of "other mailing lists" is mangled.

@the designers of the survey. The question wrt remote mapping would seem
to be designed to achieve a specific result. While a truthful answer on
my behalf would require a yes, because now and then I'll map remote and
if it is simply reverting a changeset on request of a remote mapper, but
that doesn't mean that a) I in general think it is a good idea, b) it is
any significant part of my contributions.

Simon

Am 07.08.2019 um 12:59 schrieb Dorothea Kazazi:
> Hello,
>
> The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
> was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and its
> aim is to stimulate  discussions in local communities and at the Local
> Chapters Congress at SotM.
>
> https://osmf.limequery.org/428835
>
> ~ The survey will run for two weeks.
> ~ Only one question is mandatory: "How can we share your answers?".
>
> There is more information on the scope of the survey and approach on
> the opening page.
>
> warm greetings,
>
> Dorothea
>
>
> ~~
> Links you can share for different languages:
>
> English (Base language): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=en
> Chinese (Simplified): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hans
> Chinese (Traditional; Hong Kong):
> https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hant-HK
> French: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fr
> German: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=de
> Hungarian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=hu
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[Talk-it] ItWikiCon 2019 - Call for submissions

[ferdinando traversa]

Ciao a tutti


come probabilmente sapete la ItWikiCon 2019 si svolgerà a Roma dal 15 al 17 
novembre. Per la definizione del programma è disponibile su Meta una pagina 
delle proposte dove è possibile sia suggerire cosa vorremmo vedere a Roma, sia 
effettuare una proposta di presentazione/workshop/seminario/working group/ecc, 
ovviamente anche riguardanti OpenStreetMap. [1]


La commissione che si occuperà del programma valuterà le proposte arrivate 
entro la scadenza fissata per il13 ottobree definirà nei giorni immediatamente 
seguenti il programma ufficiale della manifestazione.



Per specifiche informazioni, chiarimenti e suggerimenti non esitate a 
contattare il gruppo organizzatore all'indirizzo itwikiconr...@gmail.com o a 
scrivere nella pagina di discussione delle proposte[2].



Se pensate di essere presenti, firmate nella pagina dei partecipanti[3].


Grazie a tutti coloro che vorranno contribuire alla ricchezza e 
diversificazione del programma della ItWikiCon 2019 :-)



A presto,


Ferdinando


itwikiconr...@gmail.com


https://www.itwikicon.org/



[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ItWikiCon/2019/Proposte


[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:ItWikiCon/2019/Proposte


[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ItWikiCon/2019/Partecipanti


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Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Markus]

Hallo Michael,

> Die Umfrage ist auch in Deutsch verfügbar
> https://osmf.limequery.org/428835

400: Bad Request

> German: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=de

Funktioniert.

Gruss, Markus

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hyperlink in window van een pointer werkt niet

[Marco van der Heide]

Hoi Jan Pieter de Groot,

Ik heb met Edge (op Chromium gebaseerd) hetzelfde probleem als Pieter Klein. Ik 
kom met mijn cursor niet bij de hyperlink, zodra ik mijn muis beweeg verdwijnt 
de popup en dus ook de hyperlink.
Ziet er wel gelikt uit trouwens! Echt netjes.

Ik hoop dat je eruit komt.

Groeten,
Marco van der Heide

From: Pieter Klein 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 14:07
To: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hyperlink in window van een pointer werkt niet

Beste Jan Pieter,

Geen idee hoe je dat oplost, maar in Firefox werkt het bij mij sowieso niet, 
want zodra je de pointer van de punaise afhaalt sluit het gehele venster. De 
problemen kunnen dus browser gerelateerd zijn.

Succes met de site gewenst.

Pieter Klein, Ede

Op wo 7 aug. 2019 om 13:42 schreef Jan Pieter de Groot 
mailto:jp.de.gr...@home.nl>>:
Op mijn website heb ik een Openstreetmap kaart geplaatst met pointers 
http://members.home.nl/jp.de.groot/merklappen.htm . Bij het aanklikken van een 
pointer verschijnt een informatie window met tekst, afbeelding en of een 
hyperlink. Als ik de hyperlink probeer aan te klikken verdwijnt de window. Wat 
moet ik in de broncode aanpassen om de window te fixeren en de hyperlink te 
kunnen aanklikken?

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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Dorothea Kazazi 
Date: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:03 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
To: 


Hello,

The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and its
aim is to stimulate  discussions in local communities and at the Local
Chapters Congress at SotM.

https://osmf.limequery.org/428835

~ The survey will run for two weeks.
~ Only one question is mandatory: "How can we share your answers?".

There is more information on the scope of the survey and approach on the
opening page.

warm greetings,

Dorothea


~~
Links you can share for different languages:

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Chinese (Traditional; Hong Kong):
https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hant-HK
French: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fr
German: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=de
Hungarian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=hu
Italian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=it
Lithuanian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=lt
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Re: [OSM-talk] `computer_vision_assisted=yes` changeset tag?

[marc marc]

Hello,

 > “This edit was assisted by computer vision”
 > is useful metadata, no?

I use a lot of such datas (traffic sign from mapillary via osmose)
I review it (viewing the picture myself) before any change to avoid some 
false positive and to improve localisation.
who 'll made what if I add computer_vision_assisted changeset tag ?
for stat ? why not.
but in this case, it may also be needed to add humain_reviewed,
humain_improved, integration_tools and so...

currently I put source=mapillary source:date
I see a lot of mappers unable to fill a source tag,
for ex because a major editor doesn't promote enought a changeset
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the source tag everywhere before pushing for more secondary tags

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[Pieter Klein]

Beste Jan Pieter,

Geen idee hoe je dat oplost, maar in Firefox werkt het bij mij sowieso
niet, want zodra je de pointer van de punaise afhaalt sluit het gehele
venster. De problemen kunnen dus browser gerelateerd zijn.

Succes met de site gewenst.

Pieter Klein, Ede

Op wo 7 aug. 2019 om 13:42 schreef Jan Pieter de Groot :

> Op mijn website heb ik een Openstreetmap kaart geplaatst met pointers
> http://members.home.nl/jp.de.groot/merklappen.htm . Bij het aanklikken
> van een pointer verschijnt een informatie window met tekst, afbeelding en
> of een hyperlink. Als ik de hyperlink probeer aan te klikken verdwijnt de
> window. Wat moet ik in de broncode aanpassen om de window te fixeren en de
> hyperlink te kunnen aanklikken?
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

[Mikel Maron]

Sorry I but I disagree. Yoga is a long tradition in OpenStreetMap ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPq4X47x3x0

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 10:04:46 AM GMT+3, Martin Koppenhoefer 
 wrote:  
 
 

sent from a phone

> On 7. Aug 2019, at 03:34, Naveen Francis  wrote:
> 
> Try YOGA it will help you.


I don’t believe this is an acceptable comment in the OpenStreetMap context, it 
may be at wikimedia, here it is not.

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[Talk-de] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Michael Kugelmann]

Eine Umfrage der OSM-Foundation über die Comunities. Die Umfrage ist
auch in Deutsch verfügbar und läuft für 2 Wochen.

Grüße,
Michael.

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:[OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in
OpenStreetMap
Datum:  Wed, 7 Aug 2019 13:59:34 +0300
Von:Dorothea Kazazi 
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Hello,

The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap
was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and its
aim is to stimulate discussions in local communities and at the Local
Chapters Congress at SotM.

https://osmf.limequery.org/428835

~ The survey will run for two weeks.
~ Only one question is mandatory: "How can we share your answers?".

There is more information on the scope of the survey and approach on the
opening page.

warm greetings,

Dorothea


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[OSM-talk-nl] Hyperlink in window van een pointer werkt niet

[Jan Pieter de Groot]

Op mijn website heb ik een Openstreetmap kaart geplaatst met pointers 
http://members.home.nl/jp.de.groot/merklappen.htm . Bij het aanklikken 
van een pointer verschijnt een informatie window met tekst, afbeelding 
en of een hyperlink. Als ik de hyperlink probeer aan te klikken 
verdwijnt de window. Wat moet ik in de broncode aanpassen om de window 
te fixeren en de hyperlink te kunnen aanklikken?


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[Talk-it] Sondaggio sulle community OSMF

[ferdinando traversa]

Ciao a tutti,
vi segnalo che è partito il sondaggio sulle community indito da OpenStreetMap 
Foundation.
English (Base language):https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=en
Italian:https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=it

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[OSM-talk] Survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap

[Dorothea Kazazi]

Hello,

The following survey on global and local communities in OpenStreetMap 
was developed by board members. The survey is not quantitative and its 
aim is to stimulate  discussions in local communities and at the Local 
Chapters Congress at SotM.


https://osmf.limequery.org/428835

~ The survey will run for two weeks.
~ Only one question is mandatory: "How can we share your answers?".

There is more information on the scope of the survey and approach on the 
opening page.


warm greetings,

Dorothea


~~
Links you can share for different languages:

English (Base language): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=en
Chinese (Simplified): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hans
Chinese (Traditional; Hong Kong): 
https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=zh-Hant-HK

French: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fr
German: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=de
Hungarian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=hu
Italian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=it
Lithuanian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=lt
Persian: https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=fa
Portuguese (Brazilian): https://osmf.limequery.org/428835?lang=pt-BR

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.17.0

[dcapillae]

Thank you so much!

It is a pleasure to see the public bookcase on the map. It would be great to
have an icon soon to see the mobile library (amenity=mobile_library) also on
OSM Carto. Unfortunately there aren't many on the map yet.

Greetings from Spain.

Regards,
Daniel



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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[Federico Cortese]

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:07 PM scratera  wrote:
>
> ...in questo caso il civico essendo mappato sulla porta e la porta non si
> trova nel centro del negozio io faccio così
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.89071/11.03981
> https://openlevelup.net/?l=0#21/45.89069/11.03975
> ...non reputo necessario duplicare il civico ne basta uno per il routing...
> ...anche perchè mappando per il 3d e essendo quei civici sotto un portico si
> trovano sul perimetro del bulding:part=yes
>
Eh lo so così è perfetto, ma presuppone che conosci i perimetri dei
negozi... cosa che raramente accade, a meno di lavorare nell'ufficio
tecnico del comune :)

Ciao,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[deuzeffe]

Bonjour tout le monde,

Je suis extrêmement mal à l'aise, étant à l'origine du signalement, 
ayant voulu faire appel à plus expérimenté que moi (pour comprendre 
comment gg et osm pouvaient être mêlés pour une même carte) et voyant la 
façon dont la personne au bout du tuyau (bah oui, même si sur internet 
personne ne sait que vous êtes un chien, il a parfois un humain devant 
son clavier/écran) a fini par être traitée*.


Comme faire des erreurs, c'est apprendre, merci à vous de m'avoir, bien 
involontairement, indiqué comme je m'y prendrai la prochaine fois que je 
rencontre un tel manque .


*ne pas oublier que la liste est archivée et en lecture publique...
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deuzeffe, toujours estomaquée mais plus pour la même raison.

On 07/08/2019 10:14, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Entièrement d'accord avec Christian d'autant plus que si on ne fait pas 
respecter cette mention, après un juge meut considérer que de facto la mention 
n'est pas nécessaire. Et le jour où on voudra faire appliquer par la voie dure 
à un plus gros, le juge refusera.

S'il a reçu tant de messages c'est aussi qu'il apparaissait limite mauvaise 
foi. Au suivant !

Jean-Yvon



Gesendet: Dienstag, 06. August 2019 um 21:39 Uhr
Von: "Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr" 

An: "Discussions sur OSM en français" 
Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk-fr]  Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

Dur ?

Visiblement il y a eu plusieurs contacts et pas que ces derniers jours.
Un petit coup de pression et l'attribution est maintenant ajoutée sur la
home et dans les mentions légales, ce qui n'a pas dû prendre beaucoup de
temps.

Je vois assez bien le déroulement:
- utilisation d'un plugin wordpress base sur GMaps lors de la création du
site
- GMaps change ses conditions, la carte ne fonctionne plus à partir de
l'été dernier
- bascule à l'arrache sur du fond OSM mais toujours avec l'API Google, car
changer le plugin WP n'est pas évident
- zéro attribution... même pas en mentions légales (et là aucun problème
technique pour l'indiquer, même si c'est pas l'idéal)
- des contacts informels...
- un rappel twitter
- un nouveau contact avec 2 pistes proposées pour l'attribution sans
refonte technique
- les modifs faites en quelques heures sur le site (comme quoi c'était pas
compliqué)

Dossier clôt pour moi, et il y en a d'autres.


Le mar. 6 août 2019 à 20:43, marc marc  a écrit :


je vous trouve très dur, inutilement dur... sortez de votre bulle !

pour la majorité des utilisateurs, le web est binaire gratuit/payant,
les licences et co, il n'y a que ceux qui sont dans la bonne bulle
qui comprennent... et encore rarement toujours tout..

pour les CGU, on rajoute ca par copier/coller sur un site quand
quelqu'un dit qu'il faut, leur longueur et leur précision allant
souvent de pair avec leur inutilité (je me souviens de ce site
qui s'était octroyé des droits intellectuels y compris sur
l'hébergement fait par un tiers)

pour ma part, je ne peux que conseiller l'utilisation de la page wiki
renseignée par deuzeffe et dont la traduction était tant attendue...
mais qui n'est utilisée que par 3 personnes, cherchez l'erreur...
une fois que le gars a répondu "en cours", je ne suis pas sur
de l'utilité de le bombarder de différent message par tous les moyens
de communication trouvé... je crois qu'à sa place, j'aurais finit
par répondre "f*ck" ou mettre cela en bas de la pile

Le 06.08.19 à 19:39, Christian Quest a écrit :

Voilà ce que j'ai laissé...

"Bonjour,

Vous avez déjà été contacté par des contributeurs OpenStreetMap au sujet
du manque d'attribution visible sur votre site pour les fonds de carte
OpenStreetMap que vous utilisez.

L'usage de plugins wordpress ne permet pas toujours de faire les choses
proprement et comme on voudrait, mais à minima, vous pourriez ajouter
cette attribution:
- en pied de page
- dans vos mentions légales

Vous considérez peut être ce problème comme "secondaire", ce qui est
très peu respectueux du travail bénévole des contributeurs OpenStreetMap.
Ce travail vous permet aujourd'hui de ne pas totalement dépendre de
Google Maps et de sa prise d'otage avec ses changements de conditions
financières de l'été dernier.
Vous utilisez de plus des ressources (serveurs) gérées elles aussi de
façon bénévole qui permettent de servir ce fond de carte.

Merci d'avance et bravo pour votre site très agréable à consulter

Christian Quest, porte parole d'OpenStreetMap France"

Le mar. 6 août 2019 à 19:29, Christian Quest mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr>> a écrit :

 Ne pas être en capacité de modifier l'affichage de la carte elle
 même est une chose.
 "à défaut" ne mentionner OpenStreetMap nulle part sur le site, pas
 même dans les CGU ou les mentions légales ne va pas pour moi dans le
 sens de la bonne foi.
 C'est quand même une façon de considérer comme secondaire ce besoin
 d'attribution, alors que l'auteur du site semble quand même bien au
 courant de la notion de droits d'auteur et de propriété
 

Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[scratera]

...in questo caso il civico essendo mappato sulla porta e la porta non si
trova nel centro del negozio io faccio così
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.89071/11.03981
https://openlevelup.net/?l=0#21/45.89069/11.03975
...non reputo necessario duplicare il civico ne basta uno per il routing...
...anche perchè mappando per il 3d e essendo quei civici sotto un portico si
trovano sul perimetro del bulding:part=yes 



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[Talk-ro] Stabilirea ref-ului la intersecția drumurilor

[Doina Munteanu]

Salut,

Cum se practică plasarea tagului ref pe porțiunea în care două drumuri se
intersectează?
Presupun că rațional ar fi, atunci cand se intersectează două drumuri de
același rang, gen DN cu DN sau DJ cu DJ, referințele să fie separate prin
punct și virgulă. În cazul în care se intersetează DN cu DJ, se fixează
ref=DN și reg_ref=DJ?
O altă variantă ar fi ca porțiunea respectivă să aibă ref=DN;DJ, reg_ref=DJ
și nat_ref=DN.
Cum considerați că ar fi ok?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Track -> Chemin rural

[Jean-Claude Repetto]

Le 06/08/2019 à 18:25, Rpnpif a écrit :

Bonjour,

Le 31 juillet 2019, Jean-Claude Repetto a écrit :


C'est l'usage du chemin, et non son état, qui détermine son type OSM:
- usage agricole ou forestier -> highway=track
- usage général -> highway=unclassified


Ce qui veut dire qu'il faut vivre sur place pour le savoir.
C'est un peu trop restrictif comme définition car dans ce cas la
plupart des millions de chemins français ne peuvent être taggués faute
de contributeurs vivant à côté ou de panneau les définissant.


Le principe d'OSM est de ne cartographier que ce qu'on connait. Chaque 
contributeur a généralement un rayon d'action de plusieurs dizaines de 
km, donc je ne pense pas qu'il y ait de zones dont personne ne peut 
s'occuper.




Je préfère marquer les chemins suivant leur état.
Sans asphalte : c'est track sauf si un panneau dit le contraire.
Avec asphalte : c'est highway sauf si un panneau ou une situation (un
bout isolé en plein milieu d'une forêt par exemple) montre le
contraire ou qu'un asphalte en très mauvais état indiquant qu'il est
emprunté majoritairement pas des engins agricoles.


Pas d'accord:
- un chemin de terre à usage résidentiel doit être défini comme
highway = residential
surface = ground (ou gravel, ...)

- un chemin de terre à usage local doit être défini comme
highway = unclassified
surface = ground (ou gravel, ...)

Si on ne sait pas, on met highway = road, jusqu'à ce qu'un autre 
contributeur mette la bonne étiquette après vérification sur le terrain.


Jean-Claude

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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[Federico Cortese]

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:58 AM Martin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
>
> non ho scritto grave, ma un errore lo è, credo che sei d’accordo? È più un 
> errore concettuale che uno che crea problemi pratici per il routing, infatti 
> è mapping per il router...
Dal punto di vista concettuale sono d'accordo, mi fa piacere che
condividi che non è grave e che non crea problemi pratici :)
Che sia mapping per il routing no... Il routing se il civico è mappato
sul perimetro dell'edificio o poco dentro funziona uguale.

> francamente non capisco dalla situazione dove si trova esattamente il civico, 
> ma sembrerebbe ok così com’è.
E' sotto un portico dove ci sono civici a sinistra e a destra... sì lo
so che è ok, perchè in quel punto non si vede il perimetro
dell'edificio, ma in quella posizione c'è sia l'ingresso che il POI ;)

> certo. Non possiamo mica aspettare i civici che l’ISTAT ci aveva promesso su 
> twitter per il natale 2014 ;-)
Non dipende solo da ISTAT, ma soprattutto dai comuni che devono
passare i dati ad ISTAT: spesso non li hanno e quando li hanno spesso
non sono soddisfacenti a livello di posizionamento.
Anche la recente sperimentazione fatta coi tablet forniti da ISTAT ha
portato risultati disastrosi, perchè la posizione veniva fissata col
GPS, senza la possibilità di correggere manualmente su basi
cartografiche, come invece siamo abituati a fare noi.

Ciao,
Federico

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Track -> Chemin rural

[Rpnpif]

Le  6 août 2019, osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com a écrit :

> Plus sérieusement, ça doit être un réseau et en cas de doute on peut 
> s'appuyer sur Route 500 de l'IGN.

Je ne pense jamais à Route500. Merci de la suggestion.

> Tu crois réellement qu'en France un nouveau contributeur va trouver des 
> primary que personne n'a cartographié avant lui ?

Oui, quand la route est neuve ou recalibrée.
J'ai vu des bagarres d'édition sur quelques mois où une route changeait
d'attribut tous les deux ou 3 mois.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[osm . sanspourriel]

Entièrement d'accord avec Christian d'autant plus que si on ne fait pas 
respecter cette mention, après un juge meut considérer que de facto la mention 
n'est pas nécessaire. Et le jour où on voudra faire appliquer par la voie dure 
à un plus gros, le juge refusera.

S'il a reçu tant de messages c'est aussi qu'il apparaissait limite mauvaise 
foi. Au suivant !

Jean-Yvon


> Gesendet: Dienstag, 06. August 2019 um 21:39 Uhr
> Von: "Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr" 
> 
> An: "Discussions sur OSM en français" 
> Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk-fr]  Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée
>
> Dur ?
> 
> Visiblement il y a eu plusieurs contacts et pas que ces derniers jours.
> Un petit coup de pression et l'attribution est maintenant ajoutée sur la
> home et dans les mentions légales, ce qui n'a pas dû prendre beaucoup de
> temps.
> 
> Je vois assez bien le déroulement:
> - utilisation d'un plugin wordpress base sur GMaps lors de la création du
> site
> - GMaps change ses conditions, la carte ne fonctionne plus à partir de
> l'été dernier
> - bascule à l'arrache sur du fond OSM mais toujours avec l'API Google, car
> changer le plugin WP n'est pas évident
> - zéro attribution... même pas en mentions légales (et là aucun problème
> technique pour l'indiquer, même si c'est pas l'idéal)
> - des contacts informels...
> - un rappel twitter
> - un nouveau contact avec 2 pistes proposées pour l'attribution sans
> refonte technique
> - les modifs faites en quelques heures sur le site (comme quoi c'était pas
> compliqué)
> 
> Dossier clôt pour moi, et il y en a d'autres.
> 
> 
> Le mar. 6 août 2019 à 20:43, marc marc  a écrit :
> 
> > je vous trouve très dur, inutilement dur... sortez de votre bulle !
> >
> > pour la majorité des utilisateurs, le web est binaire gratuit/payant,
> > les licences et co, il n'y a que ceux qui sont dans la bonne bulle
> > qui comprennent... et encore rarement toujours tout..
> >
> > pour les CGU, on rajoute ca par copier/coller sur un site quand
> > quelqu'un dit qu'il faut, leur longueur et leur précision allant
> > souvent de pair avec leur inutilité (je me souviens de ce site
> > qui s'était octroyé des droits intellectuels y compris sur
> > l'hébergement fait par un tiers)
> >
> > pour ma part, je ne peux que conseiller l'utilisation de la page wiki
> > renseignée par deuzeffe et dont la traduction était tant attendue...
> > mais qui n'est utilisée que par 3 personnes, cherchez l'erreur...
> > une fois que le gars a répondu "en cours", je ne suis pas sur
> > de l'utilité de le bombarder de différent message par tous les moyens
> > de communication trouvé... je crois qu'à sa place, j'aurais finit
> > par répondre "f*ck" ou mettre cela en bas de la pile
> >
> > Le 06.08.19 à 19:39, Christian Quest a écrit :
> > > Voilà ce que j'ai laissé...
> > >
> > > "Bonjour,
> > >
> > > Vous avez déjà été contacté par des contributeurs OpenStreetMap au sujet
> > > du manque d'attribution visible sur votre site pour les fonds de carte
> > > OpenStreetMap que vous utilisez.
> > >
> > > L'usage de plugins wordpress ne permet pas toujours de faire les choses
> > > proprement et comme on voudrait, mais à minima, vous pourriez ajouter
> > > cette attribution:
> > > - en pied de page
> > > - dans vos mentions légales
> > >
> > > Vous considérez peut être ce problème comme "secondaire", ce qui est
> > > très peu respectueux du travail bénévole des contributeurs OpenStreetMap.
> > > Ce travail vous permet aujourd'hui de ne pas totalement dépendre de
> > > Google Maps et de sa prise d'otage avec ses changements de conditions
> > > financières de l'été dernier.
> > > Vous utilisez de plus des ressources (serveurs) gérées elles aussi de
> > > façon bénévole qui permettent de servir ce fond de carte.
> > >
> > > Merci d'avance et bravo pour votre site très agréable à consulter
> > >
> > > Christian Quest, porte parole d'OpenStreetMap France"
> > >
> > > Le mar. 6 août 2019 à 19:29, Christian Quest  > > > a écrit :
> > >
> > > Ne pas être en capacité de modifier l'affichage de la carte elle
> > > même est une chose.
> > > "à défaut" ne mentionner OpenStreetMap nulle part sur le site, pas
> > > même dans les CGU ou les mentions légales ne va pas pour moi dans le
> > > sens de la bonne foi.
> > > C'est quand même une façon de considérer comme secondaire ce besoin
> > > d'attribution, alors que l'auteur du site semble quand même bien au
> > > courant de la notion de droits d'auteur et de propriété
> > > intellectuelle quand on lit ses mentions légales.
> > >
> > > Bref, wordpress ou pas, il est toujours possible d'ajouter un petit
> > > bout de texte mentionnant openstreetmap par exemple en pied de pages.
> > >
> > > Je vais passer par le formulaire de contact pour le suggérer, car
> > > c'est silence radio côté twitter (comptes visiblement inactifs).
> > >
> > > Le mar. 6 août 2019 à 11:48, Florent Richard
> > > 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Faites s'il vous plaît suivre au gestionnaire du site : https://festival-avignon.com/fr/acces-au-festival

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Bookmarqué.

Merci. J.

Le 07/08/2019 à 08:26, deuzeffe a écrit :
Une màj de 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Lacking_proper_attribution 
peut-être ?


On 06/08/2019 20:53, Jacques Lavignotte wrote:

Bonjour,


https://festival-avignon.com/fr/acces-au-festival

  utilise un fond de carte @OSM_FR mais sans l'indiquer nulle part :(

Pourtant l'attribution n'est pas une option et c'est bien expliqué sur 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright


Merci d'avance de faire le nécessaire.

Jacques Lavignotte, contributeur OSM.


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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 7. Aug 2019, at 09:15, Federico Cortese  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok se ragioni nell'ottica mappo i POI. Di solito mi interessa
> principalmente mappare gli ingressi e i civici, quindi li inserisco
> sui perimetri con entrance/barrier; se dentro un civico vedo che c'è
> un POI lo aggiungo sullo stesso nodo.
> Il grave errore topologico è far convivere entrance=* con shop=* sullo
> stesso nodo?


non ho scritto grave, ma un errore lo è, credo che sei d’accordo? È più un 
errore concettuale che uno che crea problemi pratici per il routing, infatti è 
mapping per il router...


> E sotto un portico dove entrance non lo metto? Lì i
> POI/civici non c'è bisogno di duplicarli? (Esempio:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6264430800).


francamente non capisco dalla situazione dove si trova esattamente il civico, 
ma sembrerebbe ok così com’è.



> Ad ogni modo o si mettono sul perimetro o si mettono dentro gli
> edifici, sono convinto che sarebbe necessario che più persone
> inserissero i numeri civici;


certo. Non possiamo mica aspettare i civici che l’ISTAT ci aveva promesso su 
twitter per il natale 2014 ;-)



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[Talk-it] Mancata attribuzione

[Andreas Lattmann]

Si, sono d'accordo, ma di solito se si tratta di aziende non vogliono "perdere 
tempo" con un volontario/socio, ma con chi ha potere decisionale. Comunque ho 
invitato Setetrack ad iscriversi alla ml. 
È difficile per un' azienda che vive in schemi gerarchici capire com'è gestita 
OSM. 


>Ciao 
>Scusami se faccio un intervento a gamba tesa con alcuni appunti "sparsi" 
>- anche se WMI è il chapter ufficiale di >OSM Foundation, non è 
>responsabile dei contenuti su OSM >(esattamente come su Wikipedia) 
>- le violazioni sembra essere una >questione che debba essere gestita 
>dalla Foundation su segnalazione 
>- se ti associ a OSM Foundation e/o a >WMI sei comunque un socio di 
>associazioni che sostengono il progetto >OSM 
>- 
>Quanto a Setetrack dovresti capire cosa >vogliono dalla OSM Foundation 
>perchè non è detto che trovino la risposta al loro quesito. 
>Anzi, mi suona strano che sul sito parlino >con molta attenzione di 
>sicurezza e poi si appoggino a OSM 
>Con questo non voglio dire che OSM è >insicuro, solo che, nella maggior 
>parte dei casi, quando qualcuno parla di >sicurezza lo fa anche sulla 
>base della conoscenza di profonda >conoscenza dei processi con cui i 
>prodotti sono creati. 

>My2cents 

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Re: [Talk-it] Quesito stabile nuovo da mappare

[Federico Cortese]

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:18 PM Martin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
>
> è più lavoro, ma poco più, perché poi copiare il poi con indirizzo e dopo 
> togli gli altri tags e aggiungi entrance=*

Dirlo è facile, farlo con Vespucci ho i miei dubbi.

>
> io consiglierei di mappare il POI con l’indirizzo all’interno degli edifici e 
> non il civico (ingresso), quando si va di corsa. Per il routing non cambia 
> niente e non si creano errori topologici come nel caso del POI sul perimetro 
> dell’edificio.

Ok se ragioni nell'ottica mappo i POI. Di solito mi interessa
principalmente mappare gli ingressi e i civici, quindi li inserisco
sui perimetri con entrance/barrier; se dentro un civico vedo che c'è
un POI lo aggiungo sullo stesso nodo.
Il grave errore topologico è far convivere entrance=* con shop=* sullo
stesso nodo? E sotto un portico dove entrance non lo metto? Lì i
POI/civici non c'è bisogno di duplicarli? (Esempio:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6264430800).
Ad ogni modo o si mettono sul perimetro o si mettono dentro gli
edifici, sono convinto che sarebbe necessario che più persone
inserissero i numeri civici; purtroppo da 5 anni a questa parte sono
l'unico nella mia provincia che si dedica a questa attività, avendo
mappato oltre 4.500 numeri civici; altri 2.000 li ha inseriti un
mappatore che lavora per un comune, su un totale di 7.166 mappati in
provincia.

Ciao,
Federico

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Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 7. Aug 2019, at 03:34, Naveen Francis  wrote:
> 
> Try YOGA it will help you.


I don’t believe this is an acceptable comment in the OpenStreetMap context, it 
may be at wikimedia, here it is not.

Cheers Martin 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Manque d'attribution : je suis estomaquée

[Jean-Christophe Becquet]

Le 06/08/2019 20:41, marc marc a écrit :
> pour la majorité des utilisateurs, le web est binaire gratuit/payant, 
> les licences et co, il n'y a que ceux qui sont dans la bonne bulle
> qui comprennent... et encore rarement toujours tout..

Bonjour,

J'ai envoyé hier à ce monsieur un courrier de sensibilisation aux enjeux
du logiciel libre, le numéro 3505 :-)
http://www.apitux.org/index.php?2008/03/01/215-un-courrier-de-sensibilisation-des-acteurs-locaux-par-jour-dans-les-alpes-du-sud-en-2010

Bonne journée

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Faites s'il vous plaît suivre au gestionnaire du site : https://festival-avignon.com/fr/acces-au-festival

[deuzeffe]

Une màj de 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Lacking_proper_attribution 
peut-être ?


On 06/08/2019 20:53, Jacques Lavignotte wrote:

Bonjour,


https://festival-avignon.com/fr/acces-au-festival

  utilise un fond de carte @OSM_FR mais sans l'indiquer nulle part :(

Pourtant l'attribution n'est pas une option et c'est bien expliqué sur 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright


Merci d'avance de faire le nécessaire.

Jacques Lavignotte, contributeur OSM.


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[OSM-talk-fr] opendata Grand Belfort...

[Christian Quest]

Avis aux amateurs !

La communauté d'agglo du Grand Belfort vient de publier ou mettre à jour 
une trentaine de jeux de données en opendata:


https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/?sort=-created=5afd7ce888ee387d9f4e136f

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