Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Christoffer Holmstedt]

Hi Blake (and everyone else)
Did we get any feedback after the last summer's HOT activities/tasks in
Sweden? Did anyone use the updated maps?

Best regards
-- 
Christoffer Holmstedt
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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Karl Wettin]

FYI, I'm in communication with Lantmäteriet regarding allowing OSM to use
their aerial photos and terrain model (and possible more if we find use for
it) for mapping the affected areas where the firefighters will be
commissioned. It's been a bit troublesome getting in touch with the right
people via my old contacts due to vacations etc, but I'm pretty sure
they're on it now. Have at least one person up there in their hierarchy
helping me now, and I'm also in contact with their department that can
override standard policies and hands out data in crisis situations.

We can only hope for the best.

2018-07-24 16:33 GMT+02:00 NKA mapper :

> The topowebb imagery is already predefined in JOSM. You simply open the
> imagery menu in JOSM when panning over Sweden. There are also other useful
> imagery predefined in JOSM and in iD, including the entire road network
> from Trafikverket.
>
> The Swedish mappers on this list may want to consider asking Lantmäteriet
> for permission to use their orthophoto wms service for tracing. It is
> available here for JOSM (after getting the permission): https://kso.
> etjanster.lantmateriet.se/karta/ortofoto/wms/v1.2?
> LAYERS=orto050,orto025=image/png=TRUE&
> STYLES=default,default=WMS=1.1.1&
> REQUEST=GetMap={proj}={bbox}={width}={height}
> (You need to select projection 3006 in JOSM first.)
>
> We recently received permission to use the national orthophotos in Norway
> for OSM, and national othophoto services are also available for OSM in
> Finland and Denmark, so Sweden is the only Nordic country without
> othophotos available for OSM. As in Sweden, the Norwegian orthophotos are
> not open data, but is was nonetheless possible to get an explicit
> permission for OSM. We discussed the case directly with Kartverket, our
> Lantmäteriet equivalent, and then submitted this formal request:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ALN523MHK66Q1yPg7ttVJ30mQhXzVNWM.
>
> You may also want to ask for permission to use the Swedish digital terrain
> model. It is very useful for mapping tracks and paths which are hard to
> discover in orthophotos due to the forest. The shaded relief representation
> of the model is available here for JOSM (after getting the permission):
> https://kso.etjanster.lantmateriet.se/karta/hojdmodell/wms/v1?
> LAYERS=terrangskuggning=image/png=
> TRUE=default=WMS=1.1.1=
> GetMap={proj}={bbox}={width}={height}
> (You need to select projection 3006 in JOSM first.)
>
> In the meantime, this wms service may help identifying the areas with
> fires in JOSM: https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/wms/?FORMAT=
> image/PNG=1.1.1=WMS=GetMap&
> LAYERS=fires_modis_7,fires_viirs_7=={proj}&
> WIDTH={width}={height}={bbox}
> 
> This service displays 7 days MODIS and VIIRS data, updated every hour.
>
> /NKA
>
> Den tir. 24. jul. 2018 kl. 15:37 skrev Blake Girardot  >:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am sure you all know of this already but, if anyone wants to double
>> check and make sure no new layers have been added that might help your
>> mapping:
>>
>> If anyone knows how to add WMTS imagery to JOSM, you can explore this
>> list of available layers:
>>
>> https://api.lantmateriet.se/open/topowebb-ccby/v1/wmts/token/
>> 9b342b7d9f12d4ddb92277be9869d860/?request=getcapabilities=wmts
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> blake
>>
>
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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[NKA mapper]

The topowebb imagery is already predefined in JOSM. You simply open the
imagery menu in JOSM when panning over Sweden. There are also other useful
imagery predefined in JOSM and in iD, including the entire road network
from Trafikverket.

The Swedish mappers on this list may want to consider asking Lantmäteriet
for permission to use their orthophoto wms service for tracing. It is
available here for JOSM (after getting the permission):
https://kso.etjanster.lantmateriet.se/karta/ortofoto/wms/v1.2?LAYERS=orto050,orto025=image/png=TRUE=default,default=WMS=1.1.1=GetMap={proj}={bbox}={width}={height}
(You need to select projection 3006 in JOSM first.)

We recently received permission to use the national orthophotos in Norway
for OSM, and national othophoto services are also available for OSM in
Finland and Denmark, so Sweden is the only Nordic country without
othophotos available for OSM. As in Sweden, the Norwegian orthophotos are
not open data, but is was nonetheless possible to get an explicit
permission for OSM. We discussed the case directly with Kartverket, our
Lantmäteriet equivalent, and then submitted this formal request:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ALN523MHK66Q1yPg7ttVJ30mQhXzVNWM.

You may also want to ask for permission to use the Swedish digital terrain
model. It is very useful for mapping tracks and paths which are hard to
discover in orthophotos due to the forest. The shaded relief representation
of the model is available here for JOSM (after getting the permission):
https://kso.etjanster.lantmateriet.se/karta/hojdmodell/wms/v1?LAYERS=terrangskuggning=image/png=TRUE=default=WMS=1.1.1=GetMap={proj}={bbox}={width}={height}
(You need to select projection 3006 in JOSM first.)

In the meantime, this wms service may help identifying the areas with fires
in JOSM:
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/wms/?FORMAT=image/PNG=1.1.1=WMS=GetMap=fires_modis_7,fires_viirs_7=={proj}={width}={height}={bbox}

This service displays 7 days MODIS and VIIRS data, updated every hour.

/NKA

Den tir. 24. jul. 2018 kl. 15:37 skrev Blake Girardot :

> Hi all,
>
> I am sure you all know of this already but, if anyone wants to double
> check and make sure no new layers have been added that might help your
> mapping:
>
> If anyone knows how to add WMTS imagery to JOSM, you can explore this
> list of available layers:
>
>
> https://api.lantmateriet.se/open/topowebb-ccby/v1/wmts/token/9b342b7d9f12d4ddb92277be9869d860/?request=getcapabilities=wmts
>
>
> Cheers,
> blake
>
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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Mattias Lindblad]

Hi Blake,
as I mentioned yesterday, I am more or less off-grid now, with no access to
any computer, and limited access to my phone. :-/

I hope someone else has the possibility to request data from Lantmäteriet.

/Mattias

tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 14:51 skrev Blake Girardot :

> Hi Mattias,
>
> Please do let me know if you get access to the updated imagery.
>
> We would need what is called a "TMS Endpoint" or WMS or WTMS.
>
> There is an excellent WMS end point right now that could use someone
> investigating all the layers that are available, I will find it and
> share it here.
>
> In the mean time:
>
>  HERE IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO SUPPORT THE POLISH
> FIREFIGHTERS
> 
> https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE
>  Please only share that link so if we have more or
> different projects, or priorities change, we do not have to worry
> about people following outdated links. That link will always be good.
>
> please let me know if you have any questions.
>
>
> (sorry copy pasted from #osm.se irc channel :)
>
> Respectfully,
> Blake
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad  wrote:
> > I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a
> > long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet
> > should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this.
> With
> > little success so far.
> >
> > So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually
> > get anything this time, I  believe that we really should request the
> data.
> > If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at
> least
> > we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions.
> >
> > /Mattias
> >
> > tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad :
> >>
> >> Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get
> >> the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery
> for
> >> this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is
> desired
> >> (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use
> >> this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be
> directed
> >> both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get
> some
> >> attention.
> >>
> >> If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous
> >> success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to
> reuse
> >> these channels.
> >>
> >> I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more
> >> or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to
> participate.
> >>
> >> //Mattias
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Mattias,
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I
> >>> thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am
> >>> resending it.
> >>>
> >>> The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because
> >>> they are used to working with OSM data.
> >>>
> >>> I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you
> >>> have provided, but it
> >>> would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and
> >>> they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the
> >>> individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy
> >>> with just
> >>> some printed maps from the authorities.
> >>>
> >>> We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process,
> >>> that would be up to you and your local community to organize.
> >>>
> >>> Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers)
> >>> and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data
> >>> available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to
> >>> locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already
> >>> know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often
> >>> turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like
> >>> Sweden and Poland.
> >>>
> >>> Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local
> >>> authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally
> >>> not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for
> >>> data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support
> >>> them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT)
> >>> for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We
> >>> let them
> >>> do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed
> >>> sourced data.
> >>>
> >>> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for
> >>> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really
> >>> glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is
> >>> perfect.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish
> >>> 

Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Blake Girardot]

Hi all,

If these task squares are too small please let me know I can re-create
the project and make them 20 sq/km instead of the 5 sq/km they are
now.

But 20 sq/km is hard to "scan" in the editors so I felt 5 sq/km was as
large as we wanted to go.

respectfully,
blake


On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Blake Girardot  wrote:
> Hi Mattias,
>
> Please do let me know if you get access to the updated imagery.
>
> We would need what is called a "TMS Endpoint" or WMS or WTMS.
>
> There is an excellent WMS end point right now that could use someone
> investigating all the layers that are available, I will find it and
> share it here.
>
> In the mean time:
>
>  HERE IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO SUPPORT THE POLISH FIREFIGHTERS
> 
> https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE
>  Please only share that link so if we have more or
> different projects, or priorities change, we do not have to worry
> about people following outdated links. That link will always be good.
>
> please let me know if you have any questions.
>
>
> (sorry copy pasted from #osm.se irc channel :)
>
> Respectfully,
> Blake
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad  wrote:
>> I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a
>> long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet
>> should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this. With
>> little success so far.
>>
>> So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually
>> get anything this time, I  believe that we really should request the data.
>> If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at least
>> we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions.
>>
>> /Mattias
>>
>> tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad :
>>>
>>> Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get
>>> the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery for
>>> this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is desired
>>> (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use
>>> this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be directed
>>> both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get some
>>> attention.
>>>
>>> If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous
>>> success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to reuse
>>> these channels.
>>>
>>> I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more
>>> or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to participate.
>>>
>>> //Mattias
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot 
>>> wrote:

 Hi Mattias,

 I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I
 thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am
 resending it.

 The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because
 they are used to working with OSM data.

 I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you
 have provided, but it
 would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and
 they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the
 individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy
 with just
 some printed maps from the authorities.

 We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process,
 that would be up to you and your local community to organize.

 Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers)
 and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data
 available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to
 locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already
 know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often
 turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like
 Sweden and Poland.

 Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local
 authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally
 not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for
 data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support
 them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT)
 for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We
 let them
 do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed
 sourced data.

 So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for
 mapping in the areas Christoffer identified.

 Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really
 glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is
 perfect.

 Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish
 firefighters are already making use of your OSM 

Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Blake Girardot]

Hi Mattias,

Please do let me know if you get access to the updated imagery.

We would need what is called a "TMS Endpoint" or WMS or WTMS.

There is an excellent WMS end point right now that could use someone
investigating all the layers that are available, I will find it and
share it here.

In the mean time:

 HERE IS THE FIRST PROJECT TO SUPPORT THE POLISH FIREFIGHTERS

https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL=OSM-SE
 Please only share that link so if we have more or
different projects, or priorities change, we do not have to worry
about people following outdated links. That link will always be good.

please let me know if you have any questions.


(sorry copy pasted from #osm.se irc channel :)

Respectfully,
Blake

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad  wrote:
> I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a
> long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet
> should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this. With
> little success so far.
>
> So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually
> get anything this time, I  believe that we really should request the data.
> If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at least
> we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions.
>
> /Mattias
>
> tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad :
>>
>> Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get
>> the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery for
>> this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is desired
>> (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use
>> this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be directed
>> both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get some
>> attention.
>>
>> If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous
>> success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to reuse
>> these channels.
>>
>> I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more
>> or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to participate.
>>
>> //Mattias
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mattias,
>>>
>>> I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I
>>> thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am
>>> resending it.
>>>
>>> The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because
>>> they are used to working with OSM data.
>>>
>>> I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you
>>> have provided, but it
>>> would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and
>>> they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the
>>> individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy
>>> with just
>>> some printed maps from the authorities.
>>>
>>> We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process,
>>> that would be up to you and your local community to organize.
>>>
>>> Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers)
>>> and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data
>>> available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to
>>> locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already
>>> know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often
>>> turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like
>>> Sweden and Poland.
>>>
>>> Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local
>>> authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally
>>> not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for
>>> data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support
>>> them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT)
>>> for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We
>>> let them
>>> do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed
>>> sourced data.
>>>
>>> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for
>>> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified.
>>>
>>> Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really
>>> glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is
>>> perfect.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish
>>> firefighters are already making use of your OSM data, we just want to
>>> improve it as much as we can for them!
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>> blake
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad  wrote:
>>> > My contact at the national mapping agency (Lantmäteriet) has tried to
>>> > reach
>>> > out a bit. Lantmäteriet have deployed a Geocell for assistance with the
>>> > Wildfires, and they should be quite good at arranging data.
>>> >
>>> > My contact's advice is that the OSM/HOT project 

Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Mattias Lindblad]

I got a response from another source, who states that Lantmäteriet for a
long time have tried to convince the Swedish government that Lantmäteriet
should be able to open up geographical information in cases like this. With
little success so far.

So while it seems like a relatively low probability that we will actually
get anything this time, I  believe that we really should request the data.
If we are lucky, they might work something out. If not, well then at least
we and Lantmäteriet have something to point at for future discussions.

/Mattias

tis 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:19 skrev Mattias Lindblad :

> Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get
> the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery for
> this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is desired
> (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use
> this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be directed
> both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get
> some attention.
>
> If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous
> success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to reuse
> these channels.
>
> I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more
> or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to participate.
>
> //Mattias
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mattias,
>>
>> I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I
>> thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am
>> resending it.
>>
>> The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because
>> they are used to working with OSM data.
>>
>> I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you
>> have provided, but it
>> would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and
>> they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the
>> individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy
>> with just
>> some printed maps from the authorities.
>>
>> We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process,
>> that would be up to you and your local community to organize.
>>
>> Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers)
>> and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data
>> available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to
>> locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already
>> know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often
>> turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like
>> Sweden and Poland.
>>
>> Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local
>> authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally
>> not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for
>> data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support
>> them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT)
>> for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We
>> let them
>> do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed
>> sourced data.
>>
>> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for
>> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified.
>>
>> Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really
>> glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is
>> perfect.
>>
>> Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish
>> firefighters are already making use of your OSM data, we just want to
>> improve it as much as we can for them!
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> blake
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad  wrote:
>> > My contact at the national mapping agency (Lantmäteriet) has tried to
>> reach
>> > out a bit. Lantmäteriet have deployed a Geocell for assistance with the
>> > Wildfires, and they should be quite good at arranging data.
>> >
>> > My contact's advice is that the OSM/HOT project should get in touch
>> with the
>> > county administrative boards (Länsstyrelsen) in the affected counties in
>> > order to coordinate the efforts, and possibly to get access to data from
>> > Copernicus and other sources. When requesting data, it is of course
>> > important to be specific about what kind of data is desired (and any
>> > licensing issues).
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mattias
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Mattias Lindblad 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello Blake,
>> >>
>> >> I am trying to reach some contacts at the Swedish national mapping
>> agency,
>> >> who should have a lot of useful data. Unfortunately I will be going
>> away for
>> >> a while without proper access to my computers, so I will not be able
>> to do a
>> >> lot more than that. If I manage to get hold of some relevant contacts,
>> >> should I direct them to you, or what's the best way forward?
>> >>
>> >> 

Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Christoffer Holmstedt]

>From Copernicus coverage map [3] I would say that the "Enskogen" we want to
map is located at [4]. Christian your link to [5] seems to be a bit far too
north for the fires, at least from my interpretation of the maps. Can you
give a direct Copernicus link to the map that points to [5]?

[3]
http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/all/scripts/show_feed.php?url=http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/list-of-components/EMSR298/feed
[4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2004079699#map=12/61.9624/15.4366
[5] https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/62.4188/14.9968

Best regards
-- 
Christoffer Holmstedt


2018-07-23 20:36 GMT+02:00 Christian Asker :

> I started to add some roads around Kårböle about an hour ago, from NVDB.
> I've also added a few local names. However, Ekonomiska kartan does not seem
> to work for the area.
>
> For finding their way around, I guess roads and local names are most
> important?
>
> But I am a bit confused about the location here. There is this Kårböle
> (Nötberget) outside Ljusdal: https://www.openstreetmap.org/
> #map=14/61.9880/15.2970
>
> However, the map at link [2] below is another place:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/62.4188/14.9968
>
> Which I think is "Enskogen".
>
> Regardless, both areas need mapping of course.
>
>
> Can we get high resolution up-to-date imagery somehow?
>
>
> /Christian
>
>
> Den 2018-07-23 kl. 20:16, skrev Christoffer Holmstedt:
>
> Around 70 out of reported 144 Polish firefighters seems to be headed to
> Ljusdal (Kårböle) [1]. That would correspond to #01 Enskogen on the map
> Blake posted a link to in earlier email, some satellite images from
> Copernicus found at [2].
>
> [1] https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/gavleborg/polska-
> brandstyrka-till-ljusdal-anlander-pa-tisdagen
> [2] http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/list-of-components/
> EMSR298/ALL/EMSR298_01ENSKOGEN
>
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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Karl Wettin]

> 24 juli 2018 kl. 00:01 skrev Blake Girardot :
> 
> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for
> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified.

Please do. I’ll try put in a few hours tomorrow. 


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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Mattias Lindblad]

Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get the
Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery for this
project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is desired
(type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use
this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be directed
both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get
some attention.

If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous
success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to reuse
these channels.

I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more or
less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to participate.

//Mattias

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot 
wrote:

> Hi Mattias,
>
> I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I
> thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am
> resending it.
>
> The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because
> they are used to working with OSM data.
>
> I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you
> have provided, but it
> would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and
> they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the
> individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy
> with just
> some printed maps from the authorities.
>
> We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process,
> that would be up to you and your local community to organize.
>
> Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers)
> and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data
> available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to
> locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already
> know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often
> turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like
> Sweden and Poland.
>
> Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local
> authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally
> not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for
> data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support
> them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT)
> for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We
> let them
> do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed
> sourced data.
>
> So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for
> mapping in the areas Christoffer identified.
>
> Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really
> glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is
> perfect.
>
> Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish
> firefighters are already making use of your OSM data, we just want to
> improve it as much as we can for them!
>
> Respectfully,
> blake
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad  wrote:
> > My contact at the national mapping agency (Lantmäteriet) has tried to
> reach
> > out a bit. Lantmäteriet have deployed a Geocell for assistance with the
> > Wildfires, and they should be quite good at arranging data.
> >
> > My contact's advice is that the OSM/HOT project should get in touch with
> the
> > county administrative boards (Länsstyrelsen) in the affected counties in
> > order to coordinate the efforts, and possibly to get access to data from
> > Copernicus and other sources. When requesting data, it is of course
> > important to be specific about what kind of data is desired (and any
> > licensing issues).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mattias
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Mattias Lindblad  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Blake,
> >>
> >> I am trying to reach some contacts at the Swedish national mapping
> agency,
> >> who should have a lot of useful data. Unfortunately I will be going
> away for
> >> a while without proper access to my computers, so I will not be able to
> do a
> >> lot more than that. If I manage to get hold of some relevant contacts,
> >> should I direct them to you, or what's the best way forward?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mattias
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Blake Girardot 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you all for your replies.
> >>>
> >>> The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM
> >>> exclusively for their work.
> >>>
> >>> They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully later
> >>> today.
> >>>
> >>> They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads,
> >>> waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc)
> >>>
> >>> So that is what they would like you to map.
> >>>
> >>> Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial
> >>> imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the existing OSM
> >>> layers, which are best, most recent, etc is 

Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Blake Girardot]

Hi Mattias,

I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I
thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am
resending it.

The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because
they are used to working with OSM data.

I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you
have provided, but it
would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and
they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the
individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy with just
some printed maps from the authorities.

We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process,
that would be up to you and your local community to organize.

Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers)
and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data
available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to
locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already
know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often
turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like
Sweden and Poland.

Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local
authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally
not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for
data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support
them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT)
for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We
let them
do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed
sourced data.

So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for
mapping in the areas Christoffer identified.

Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really
glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is
perfect.

Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish
firefighters are already making use of your OSM data, we just want to
improve it as much as we can for them!

Respectfully,
blake

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad  wrote:
> My contact at the national mapping agency (Lantmäteriet) has tried to reach
> out a bit. Lantmäteriet have deployed a Geocell for assistance with the
> Wildfires, and they should be quite good at arranging data.
>
> My contact's advice is that the OSM/HOT project should get in touch with the
> county administrative boards (Länsstyrelsen) in the affected counties in
> order to coordinate the efforts, and possibly to get access to data from
> Copernicus and other sources. When requesting data, it is of course
> important to be specific about what kind of data is desired (and any
> licensing issues).
>
> Regards,
> Mattias
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Mattias Lindblad  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Blake,
>>
>> I am trying to reach some contacts at the Swedish national mapping agency,
>> who should have a lot of useful data. Unfortunately I will be going away for
>> a while without proper access to my computers, so I will not be able to do a
>> lot more than that. If I manage to get hold of some relevant contacts,
>> should I direct them to you, or what's the best way forward?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mattias
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Blake Girardot 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you all for your replies.
>>>
>>> The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM
>>> exclusively for their work.
>>>
>>> They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully later
>>> today.
>>>
>>> They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads,
>>> waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc)
>>>
>>> So that is what they would like you to map.
>>>
>>> Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial
>>> imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the existing OSM
>>> layers, which are best, most recent, etc is usually the very first
>>> step.
>>>
>>> I am guessing they will be assinged to one of the 9 areas on this map:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/default/files/thumbnails/EMSR298-AEM-1532344797-r05-v1.jpg
>>>
>>> Whoops, now that I look they updated it in the last hour and now it is
>>> 12 areas. But I guess they will be at one of those areas.
>>>
>>> That map also gives you a very high level overview of the region
>>> affected.
>>>
>>> HOT mapping is just like regular OSM mapping, but we usually specify
>>> what is being requested, in this case, roads, forest roads, water.
>>>
>>> And the the Tasking Manager grids the area so people do not conflict
>>> with each other.
>>>
>>> I would suggest we use a private HOT Tasking Manager Project because
>>> the osm-se Tasking Manager seems to have a configuration problem at
>>> the moment (error on attempted login)  http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/
>>>
>>> HOT's main priority in a case like this is to not damage the existing
>>> OSM mapping. We often work where 

Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Christian Asker]

I started to add some roads around Kårböle about an hour ago, from NVDB. 
I've also added a few local names. However, Ekonomiska kartan does not 
seem to work for the area.


For finding their way around, I guess roads and local names are most 
important?


But I am a bit confused about the location here. There is this Kårböle 
(Nötberget) outside Ljusdal: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/61.9880/15.2970


However, the map at link [2] below is another place: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/62.4188/14.9968


Which I think is "Enskogen".

Regardless, both areas need mapping of course.


Can we get high resolution up-to-date imagery somehow?


/Christian





Den 2018-07-23 kl. 20:16, skrev Christoffer Holmstedt:
Around 70 out of reported 144 Polish firefighters seems to be headed 
to Ljusdal (Kårböle) [1]. That would correspond to #01 Enskogen on the 
map Blake posted a link to in earlier email, some satellite images 
from Copernicus found at [2].


[1] 
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/gavleborg/polska-brandstyrka-till-ljusdal-anlander-pa-tisdagen
[2] 
http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/list-of-components/EMSR298/ALL/EMSR298_01ENSKOGEN


2018-07-23 16:12 GMT+02:00 Christian Asker >:


Hej. Jag hjälper gärna till så mycket jag kan. Jag har inte
pysslat med HOT förut, men har karterat en hel del i Sverige och
även importerat en del från NVDB och Terrängkartan. Jag har ett
litet script som plockar NVDB för ett område och taggar om till
OSM-kompatibelt format för enklare import i JOSM.

Mvh Christian (ChristianA)




Den 2018-07-23 kl. 15:22, skrev Christoffer Holmstedt:



2018-07-23 14:45 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot mailto:bgirar...@gmail.com>>:

Thank you all for your replies.

The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM
exclusively for their work.

They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully
later today.

They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads,
waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc)

So that is what they would like you to map.

Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial
imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the
existing OSM
layers, which are best, most recent, etc is usually the very
first
step.

I am guessing they will be assinged to one of the 9 areas on
this map:


http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/default/files/thumbnails/EMSR298-AEM-1532344797-r05-v1.jpg



Whoops, now that I look they updated it in the last hour and
now it is
12 areas. But I guess they will be at one of those areas.

That map also gives you a very high level overview of the
region affected.

HOT mapping is just like regular OSM mapping, but we usually
specify
what is being requested, in this case, roads, forest roads,
water.

And the the Tasking Manager grids the area so people do not
conflict
with each other.

I would suggest we use a private HOT Tasking Manager Project
because
the osm-se Tasking Manager seems to have a configuration
problem at
the moment (error on attempted login)
http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/ 

HOT's main priority in a case like this is to not damage the
existing
OSM mapping. We often work where there is no data (rural
Africa for
example) so we do not have that worry. In Sweden, you have an
active,
expert, group of mappers who already have a very good OSM
map, we need
to make sure we do not accidentally cause any issues for your
community.

More information as I receive it..

Respectfully,
Blake



On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Johnny Blästa
mailto:johnny.bla...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I am a Swedish mapper with experience mapping in the areas
surrounding the
> fires and are willing to help with mapping.
>
> /Johnny
>
> Den mån 23 juli 2018 kl 13:34 skrev Björn Stenberg
mailto:bj...@haxx.se>>:
>>
>> I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT
mapping experience
>> but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely
help with a HOT
>> mapping effort.
>>
>> --
>> Björn
>> On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot
mailto:bgirar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > HOT received a request to improve the mapping around
wild fires to
>> > support fire fighters in 

Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Mattias Lindblad]

The Swedish government agency (Lantmäteriet) should have aerial imagery of
excellent quality (0.25 or 0.5 m resolution). Given the level of public
support for the Polish firefighters, it should be a PR disaster for
Lantmäteriet to decline a request for use of these images.

Most Swedish students are able to download the imagery, so it should just
be a matter of clearing up the license issues.

//Mattias

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Blake Girardot  wrote:

> Thank you all for your replies.
>
> The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM
> exclusively for their work.
>
> They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully later today.
>
> They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads,
> waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc)
>
> So that is what they would like you to map.
>
> Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial
> imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the existing OSM
> layers, which are best, most recent, etc is usually the very first
> step.
>
> I am guessing they will be assinged to one of the 9 areas on this map:
>
> http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/default/
> files/thumbnails/EMSR298-AEM-1532344797-r05-v1.jpg
>
> Whoops, now that I look they updated it in the last hour and now it is
> 12 areas. But I guess they will be at one of those areas.
>
> That map also gives you a very high level overview of the region affected.
>
> HOT mapping is just like regular OSM mapping, but we usually specify
> what is being requested, in this case, roads, forest roads, water.
>
> And the the Tasking Manager grids the area so people do not conflict
> with each other.
>
> I would suggest we use a private HOT Tasking Manager Project because
> the osm-se Tasking Manager seems to have a configuration problem at
> the moment (error on attempted login)  http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/
>
> HOT's main priority in a case like this is to not damage the existing
> OSM mapping. We often work where there is no data (rural Africa for
> example) so we do not have that worry. In Sweden, you have an active,
> expert, group of mappers who already have a very good OSM map, we need
> to make sure we do not accidentally cause any issues for your
> community.
>
> More information as I receive it..
>
> Respectfully,
> Blake
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Johnny Blästa 
> wrote:
> > I am a Swedish mapper with experience mapping in the areas surrounding
> the
> > fires and are willing to help with mapping.
> >
> > /Johnny
> >
> > Den mån 23 juli 2018 kl 13:34 skrev Björn Stenberg :
> >>
> >> I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT mapping experience
> >> but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely help with a HOT
> >> mapping effort.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Björn
> >> On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Greetings,
> >> >
> >> > HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires to
> >> > support fire fighters in Sweden.
> >> >
> >> > Is there a local, active person, who would like to take responsibility
> >> > to organize remote mapping projects to support that request?
> >> >
> >> > Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for local
> >> > mappers only to work on?
> >> >
> >> > Please let me know.
> >> >
> >> > Respectfully,
> >> > blake
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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Christoffer Holmstedt]

Around 70 out of reported 144 Polish firefighters seems to be headed to
Ljusdal (Kårböle) [1]. That would correspond to #01 Enskogen on the map
Blake posted a link to in earlier email, some satellite images from
Copernicus found at [2].

[1]
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/gavleborg/polska-brandstyrka-till-ljusdal-anlander-pa-tisdagen
[2]
http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/list-of-components/EMSR298/ALL/EMSR298_01ENSKOGEN

2018-07-23 16:12 GMT+02:00 Christian Asker :

> Hej. Jag hjälper gärna till så mycket jag kan. Jag har inte pysslat med
> HOT förut, men har karterat en hel del i Sverige och även importerat en del
> från NVDB och Terrängkartan. Jag har ett litet script som plockar NVDB för
> ett område och taggar om till OSM-kompatibelt format för enklare import i
> JOSM.
>
> Mvh Christian (ChristianA)
>
>
>
>
> Den 2018-07-23 kl. 15:22, skrev Christoffer Holmstedt:
>
>
>
> 2018-07-23 14:45 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot :
>
>> Thank you all for your replies.
>>
>> The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM
>> exclusively for their work.
>>
>> They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully later today.
>>
>> They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads,
>> waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc)
>>
>> So that is what they would like you to map.
>>
>> Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial
>> imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the existing OSM
>> layers, which are best, most recent, etc is usually the very first
>> step.
>>
>> I am guessing they will be assinged to one of the 9 areas on this map:
>>
>> http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/default/files/
>> thumbnails/EMSR298-AEM-1532344797-r05-v1.jpg
>>
>> Whoops, now that I look they updated it in the last hour and now it is
>> 12 areas. But I guess they will be at one of those areas.
>>
>> That map also gives you a very high level overview of the region affected.
>>
>> HOT mapping is just like regular OSM mapping, but we usually specify
>> what is being requested, in this case, roads, forest roads, water.
>>
>> And the the Tasking Manager grids the area so people do not conflict
>> with each other.
>>
>> I would suggest we use a private HOT Tasking Manager Project because
>> the osm-se Tasking Manager seems to have a configuration problem at
>> the moment (error on attempted login)  http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/
>>
>> HOT's main priority in a case like this is to not damage the existing
>> OSM mapping. We often work where there is no data (rural Africa for
>> example) so we do not have that worry. In Sweden, you have an active,
>> expert, group of mappers who already have a very good OSM map, we need
>> to make sure we do not accidentally cause any issues for your
>> community.
>>
>> More information as I receive it..
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Blake
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Johnny Blästa 
>> wrote:
>> > I am a Swedish mapper with experience mapping in the areas surrounding
>> the
>> > fires and are willing to help with mapping.
>> >
>> > /Johnny
>> >
>> > Den mån 23 juli 2018 kl 13:34 skrev Björn Stenberg :
>> >>
>> >> I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT mapping
>> experience
>> >> but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely help with a HOT
>> >> mapping effort.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Björn
>> >> On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Greetings,
>> >> >
>> >> > HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires to
>> >> > support fire fighters in Sweden.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there a local, active person, who would like to take
>> responsibility
>> >> > to organize remote mapping projects to support that request?
>> >> >
>> >> > Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for
>> local
>> >> > mappers only to work on?
>> >> >
>> >> > Please let me know.
>> >> >
>> >> > Respectfully,
>> >> > blake
>> >> >
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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Christoffer Holmstedt]

2018-07-23 14:45 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot :

> Thank you all for your replies.
>
> The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM
> exclusively for their work.
>
> They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully later today.
>
> They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads,
> waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc)
>
> So that is what they would like you to map.
>
> Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial
> imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the existing OSM
> layers, which are best, most recent, etc is usually the very first
> step.
>
> I am guessing they will be assinged to one of the 9 areas on this map:
>
> http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/default/
> files/thumbnails/EMSR298-AEM-1532344797-r05-v1.jpg
>
> Whoops, now that I look they updated it in the last hour and now it is
> 12 areas. But I guess they will be at one of those areas.
>
> That map also gives you a very high level overview of the region affected.
>
> HOT mapping is just like regular OSM mapping, but we usually specify
> what is being requested, in this case, roads, forest roads, water.
>
> And the the Tasking Manager grids the area so people do not conflict
> with each other.
>
> I would suggest we use a private HOT Tasking Manager Project because
> the osm-se Tasking Manager seems to have a configuration problem at
> the moment (error on attempted login)  http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/
>
> HOT's main priority in a case like this is to not damage the existing
> OSM mapping. We often work where there is no data (rural Africa for
> example) so we do not have that worry. In Sweden, you have an active,
> expert, group of mappers who already have a very good OSM map, we need
> to make sure we do not accidentally cause any issues for your
> community.
>
> More information as I receive it..
>
> Respectfully,
> Blake
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Johnny Blästa 
> wrote:
> > I am a Swedish mapper with experience mapping in the areas surrounding
> the
> > fires and are willing to help with mapping.
> >
> > /Johnny
> >
> > Den mån 23 juli 2018 kl 13:34 skrev Björn Stenberg :
> >>
> >> I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT mapping experience
> >> but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely help with a HOT
> >> mapping effort.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Björn
> >> On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Greetings,
> >> >
> >> > HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires to
> >> > support fire fighters in Sweden.
> >> >
> >> > Is there a local, active person, who would like to take responsibility
> >> > to organize remote mapping projects to support that request?
> >> >
> >> > Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for local
> >> > mappers only to work on?
> >> >
> >> > Please let me know.
> >> >
> >> > Respectfully,
> >> > blake
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I'm interested in helping out when the HOT tasking manager project is
setup. I'm unable to coordinate a HOT project right now. If anyone is close
to the fires there might be some possibilities to get better quality maps
from the local firefighters/Swedish Armed Forces (SAF). In the news (SVT)
yesterday it looked like SAF had drones up and running for imagery.

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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Blake Girardot]

Thank you all for your replies.

The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM
exclusively for their work.

They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully later today.

They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads,
waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc)

So that is what they would like you to map.

Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial
imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the existing OSM
layers, which are best, most recent, etc is usually the very first
step.

I am guessing they will be assinged to one of the 9 areas on this map:

http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/default/files/thumbnails/EMSR298-AEM-1532344797-r05-v1.jpg

Whoops, now that I look they updated it in the last hour and now it is
12 areas. But I guess they will be at one of those areas.

That map also gives you a very high level overview of the region affected.

HOT mapping is just like regular OSM mapping, but we usually specify
what is being requested, in this case, roads, forest roads, water.

And the the Tasking Manager grids the area so people do not conflict
with each other.

I would suggest we use a private HOT Tasking Manager Project because
the osm-se Tasking Manager seems to have a configuration problem at
the moment (error on attempted login)  http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/

HOT's main priority in a case like this is to not damage the existing
OSM mapping. We often work where there is no data (rural Africa for
example) so we do not have that worry. In Sweden, you have an active,
expert, group of mappers who already have a very good OSM map, we need
to make sure we do not accidentally cause any issues for your
community.

More information as I receive it..

Respectfully,
Blake



On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Johnny Blästa  wrote:
> I am a Swedish mapper with experience mapping in the areas surrounding the
> fires and are willing to help with mapping.
>
> /Johnny
>
> Den mån 23 juli 2018 kl 13:34 skrev Björn Stenberg :
>>
>> I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT mapping experience
>> but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely help with a HOT
>> mapping effort.
>>
>> --
>> Björn
>> On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot  wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires to
>> > support fire fighters in Sweden.
>> >
>> > Is there a local, active person, who would like to take responsibility
>> > to organize remote mapping projects to support that request?
>> >
>> > Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for local
>> > mappers only to work on?
>> >
>> > Please let me know.
>> >
>> > Respectfully,
>> > blake
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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Johnny Blästa]

 I am a Swedish mapper with experience mapping in the areas surrounding the
fires and are willing to help with mapping.

/Johnny

Den mån 23 juli 2018 kl 13:34 skrev Björn Stenberg :

> I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT mapping experience
> but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely help with a HOT
> mapping effort.
>
> --
> Björn
> On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot  wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires to
> > support fire fighters in Sweden.
> >
> > Is there a local, active person, who would like to take responsibility
> > to organize remote mapping projects to support that request?
> >
> > Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for local
> > mappers only to work on?
> >
> > Please let me know.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > blake
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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Björn Stenberg]

I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT mapping experience 
but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely help with a HOT 
mapping effort.


--
Björn
On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot  wrote:


Greetings,

HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires to
support fire fighters in Sweden.

Is there a local, active person, who would like to take responsibility
to organize remote mapping projects to support that request?

Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for local
mappers only to work on?

Please let me know.

Respectfully,
blake

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Re: [Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Samuel Lidén Borell]

On 2018-07-23 12:51, Blake Girardot wrote:

HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires to
support fire fighters in Sweden.

Is there a local, active person, who would like to take responsibility
to organize remote mapping projects to support that request?

Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for local
mappers only to work on?


I'm a Swede and I've done quite some mapping here (concentrated to the 
Stockholm area though), but I don't have any experience of HOT projects.


I can help out with mapping but I have a full time job, so it has to be 
on evenings and remotely (or not too far away at least).


How would it work out? Tracing affected areas through satellite imagery 
or similar?



Best Regards,
Samuel


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[Talk-se] Looking for active local Sweden mappers to support fire fighting efforts

[Blake Girardot]

Greetings,

HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires to
support fire fighters in Sweden.

Is there a local, active person, who would like to take responsibility
to organize remote mapping projects to support that request?

Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for local
mappers only to work on?

Please let me know.

Respectfully,
blake

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