Yes, personally I believe it would be most helpful if we could just get the Lantmäteriet HQ to give us permission to use their aerial imagery for this project. I would suggest that the project defines what data is desired (type of data and geographical extents) and try to get permission to use this data with a compliant license. The request could probably be directed both to Lantmäteriet and to the respective Länsstyrelse in order to get some attention.
If someone from the Swedish OSM community already have had some previous success with data from Lantmäteriet, it is probably most efficient to reuse these channels. I wholeheartedly support the project, but as I mentioned, I will be more or less off-grid in the coming weeks and therefore not able to participate. //Mattias On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mattias, > > I appreciate this information. My apologies you get this twice, I > thought I was also sending it to the main talk-se list, so I am > resending it. > > The issue here is that the folks requesting osm mapping is because > they are used to working with OSM data. > > I will pass on the really helpful information about who to contact you > have provided, but it > would be up to the firefighters if they could make use of the data and > they probably have limited time and resources to deal with the > individual localities or Copernicus at the moment. They might be happy > with just > some printed maps from the authorities. > > We can not really organize any data imports as part of this process, > that would be up to you and your local community to organize. > > Basically, we can map like we always do (we meaning us OSM mappers) > and know that the some folks will use it, there might be better data > available, but that is the nature of non open data, it is hard to > locate and get permissions to use. If it is in OSM many folks already > know where it is and how to use it. This is why OSM data is often > turned to first during a crisis, even in well developed countries like > Sweden and Poland. > > Our mapping (we OSM mappers) do not in anyway hinder the local > authorities mapping or them sharing their data so I would generally > not coordinate with them unless they contacted us and asked us for > data in which case we would of course organize mapping to support > them, but it sounds like they do not need our help at all. We (HOT) > for sure do not want to bother anyone during a crisis like this. We > let them > do what they do best, generate excellent, up to date, but closed > sourced data. > > So if folks are still interested in I will create a project for > mapping in the areas Christoffer identified. > > Of course, mapping on your own in osm is perfectly fine, I am really > glad to hear some of you have started mapping already, that is > perfect. > > Thank you very much everyone for your help with this! Those Polish > firefighters are already making use of your OSM data, we just want to > improve it as much as we can for them! > > Respectfully, > blake > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:41 PM, Mattias Lindblad <o...@matli.net> wrote: > > My contact at the national mapping agency (Lantmäteriet) has tried to > reach > > out a bit. Lantmäteriet have deployed a Geocell for assistance with the > > Wildfires, and they should be quite good at arranging data. > > > > My contact's advice is that the OSM/HOT project should get in touch with > the > > county administrative boards (Länsstyrelsen) in the affected counties in > > order to coordinate the efforts, and possibly to get access to data from > > Copernicus and other sources. When requesting data, it is of course > > important to be specific about what kind of data is desired (and any > > licensing issues). > > > > Regards, > > Mattias > > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Mattias Lindblad <o...@matli.net> wrote: > >> > >> Hello Blake, > >> > >> I am trying to reach some contacts at the Swedish national mapping > agency, > >> who should have a lot of useful data. Unfortunately I will be going > away for > >> a while without proper access to my computers, so I will not be able to > do a > >> lot more than that. If I manage to get hold of some relevant contacts, > >> should I direct them to you, or what's the best way forward? > >> > >> Regards, > >> Mattias > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Thank you all for your replies. > >>> > >>> The firefighters are from Poland and in Poland they use OSM > >>> exclusively for their work. > >>> > >>> They do not know where they will be assigned yet so hopefully later > >>> today. > >>> > >>> They said they generally are interested in roads, forestry roads, > >>> waterways and water bodies (lakes, ponds, etc) > >>> > >>> So that is what they would like you to map. > >>> > >>> Any help finding hi resolution, recent imagery (government aerial > >>> imagery sources are usually best), or feedback on the existing OSM > >>> layers, which are best, most recent, etc is usually the very first > >>> step. > >>> > >>> I am guessing they will be assinged to one of the 9 areas on this map: > >>> > >>> > >>> http://emergency.copernicus.eu/mapping/sites/default/ > files/thumbnails/EMSR298-AEM-1532344797-r05-v1.jpg > >>> > >>> Whoops, now that I look they updated it in the last hour and now it is > >>> 12 areas. But I guess they will be at one of those areas. > >>> > >>> That map also gives you a very high level overview of the region > >>> affected. > >>> > >>> HOT mapping is just like regular OSM mapping, but we usually specify > >>> what is being requested, in this case, roads, forest roads, water. > >>> > >>> And the the Tasking Manager grids the area so people do not conflict > >>> with each other. > >>> > >>> I would suggest we use a private HOT Tasking Manager Project because > >>> the osm-se Tasking Manager seems to have a configuration problem at > >>> the moment (error on attempted login) http://tasks2.openstreetmap.se/ > >>> > >>> HOT's main priority in a case like this is to not damage the existing > >>> OSM mapping. We often work where there is no data (rural Africa for > >>> example) so we do not have that worry. In Sweden, you have an active, > >>> expert, group of mappers who already have a very good OSM map, we need > >>> to make sure we do not accidentally cause any issues for your > >>> community. > >>> > >>> More information as I receive it...... > >>> > >>> Respectfully, > >>> Blake > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Johnny Blästa < > johnny.bla...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > I am a Swedish mapper with experience mapping in the areas > surrounding > >>> > the > >>> > fires and are willing to help with mapping. > >>> > > >>> > /Johnny > >>> > > >>> > Den mån 23 juli 2018 kl 13:34 skrev Björn Stenberg <bj...@haxx.se>: > >>> >> > >>> >> I am a quite experienced Swedish mapper with some HOT mapping > >>> >> experience > >>> >> but I have never organised HOT work. I would definitely help with a > >>> >> HOT > >>> >> mapping effort. > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Björn > >>> >> On 23 July 2018 12:53:16 pm Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> > Greetings, > >>> >> > > >>> >> > HOT received a request to improve the mapping around wild fires to > >>> >> > support fire fighters in Sweden. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Is there a local, active person, who would like to take > >>> >> > responsibility > >>> >> > to organize remote mapping projects to support that request? > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Or maybe folks who would contribute if I set up some project for > >>> >> > local > >>> >> > mappers only to work on? > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Please let me know. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Respectfully, > >>> >> > blake > >>> >> > > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> > Talk-se mailing list > >>> >> > Talk-se@openstreetmap.org > >>> >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Talk-se mailing list > >>> >> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org > >>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Talk-se mailing list > >>> > Talk-se@openstreetmap.org > >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ---------------------------------------------------- > >>> Blake Girardot > >>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > >>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > >>> skype: jblakegirardot > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Talk-se mailing list > >>> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > Blake Girardot > OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > skype: jblakegirardot >
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