Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread Jo
For the record: I prefer to have one relation for each direction of the bus route, as this allows to indicate 'exactly' where the buses pass. We are not mapping merely for the ability to draw a map of the bus routes, but also to allow PT routing eventually. Jo 2011/1/11 Michał Borsuk

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread André Joost
Am 11.01.11 10:42, schrieb Sander Deryckere: Before this becomes standard, could someone please make a script to transform one tagging scheme in an other? Not for uploading, just because apps have difficulties to support all the different tagging schemes. And after all, we want the data to be

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread André Joost
Am 11.01.11 08:33, schrieb Michał Borsuk: Is there anybody else using it? I'd like to see more examples out of Germany or Switzerland, bitte. You will find a lot of well-mapped routes here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AVV Greetings, André Joost

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread André Joost
Am 11.01.11 12:15, schrieb Michał Borsuk: So I vote for a simple solution to the existing problem. Simple already eliminates anything that resembles oxomoa. And what Teddych proposed is even more complicated. Ok, put every highway=bus_stop a specific bus service is serving in a relation

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread Christian
On 11.01.2011 12:15, Michał Borsuk wrote: Am 11.01.2011 10:34, schrieb Claudius Henrichs: Arguments for relations in each direction: - easier to check correctness and completeness (simply select each direction's relation in JOSM) - easier to manage routes where the vehicle takes different

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread Michał Borsuk
Am 11.01.2011 13:14, schrieb Vincent Privat: 2011/1/11 Michał Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.com mailto:michal.bor...@gmail.com Am 11.01.2011 10:34, schrieb Claudius Henrichs: Arguments for relations in each direction: - easier to check correctness and completeness (simply select

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread Michał Borsuk
Am 11.01.2011 10:40, schrieb Jo: For the record: I prefer to have one relation for each direction of the bus route, as this allows to indicate 'exactly' where the buses pass. Has OpenStreetMap turned into a timetable, or is it still intended to be a map? We are not mapping merely for the

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread Michał Borsuk
Am 11.01.2011 11:55, schrieb André Joost: Am 11.01.11 08:33, schrieb Michał Borsuk: Is there anybody else using it? I'd like to see more examples out of Germany or Switzerland, bitte. You will find a lot of well-mapped routes here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AVV I have opened line

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread André Joost
Am 11.01.11 15:00, schrieb Michał Borsuk: I have opened line 24 that I seem to remember (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/304105), and there are two for each direction, seemingly following the same path. Line 24 has only one relation for each direction. Questions: * What has

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 11/01/2011 12:15, Michał Borsuk a écrit : Am 11.01.2011 10:34, schrieb Claudius Henrichs: Arguments for relations in each direction: - easier to check correctness and completeness (simply select each direction's relation in JOSM) - easier to manage routes where the vehicle takes different

[Talk-transit] Mapping standard: how to make a standard that is easy to learn, use and fast to implement

2011-01-11 Thread Michał Borsuk
Hello everybody. I would like to open another discussion about the dreaded learning curve, and other principles that a standard should meet. Let me list out what I think are the most important points that ANY mapping standard should meet: 1. Data consistency Data consistency (not having a

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread Cartinus
On Tuesday 11 January 2011 17:01:32 Michał Borsuk wrote: This role thing is much more complicated than different relations. Does forward mean the direction of the bus line, or that of the way element in OSM? *That* is what confuses new users. Then all we need is to clear that confusion.

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping standard: how to make a standard that is easy to learn, use and fast to implement

2011-01-11 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/11/2011 08:53 PM, Michał Borsuk wrote: Hello everybody. Now to what I'd change in the proposal: 1. Data consistency Data consistency (not having a myriad of standards) is important, ...but it's not everything. Reaching this point to near 100% will cost us the points below. I

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 11/01/2011 20:21, Michał Borsuk a écrit : IMHO it has to be simple and scalable first of all. Scalable in this case would mean that an _average_ Joe can learn some parts of it and start mapping, then he can learn more (e.g. termini, large transfer stations), and proceed from simple to

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 11/01/2011 18:25, Michał Borsuk a écrit : On 11 January 2011 18:06, Albin Michlmayr alm...@gmx.at mailto:alm...@gmx.at wrote: Am Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:15:27 +0100 schrieb André Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de mailto:andre%2bjo...@nurfuerspam.de: Am 11.01.11 15:00,

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread André Joost
Am 11.01.11 17:01, schrieb Michał Borsuk: Am 11.01.2011 15:15, schrieb André Joost: Furthermore. The Platforms are different for the two directions. If you take this node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/428573541 you see that busses to Weststraße, Kelmis Bruch and Uniklinik are