Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Albert Pundt
I always tag based on the actual access control. At the end of a clear freeway, continue the motorway tagging to the first intersection or driveway, or if the road becomes single-carriageway and isn't a super-2 (a controlled-access freeway in which only one carriageway is constructed with

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Nathan Mills
I think this is a good general rule. In the instant case, the tagging should change at the point where the grass median ends northbound, IMO. That marks a definite change in the physical character of the road. I believe it was tagged like that when the carriageways were first split after the

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Michael Patrick
I'm not familiar with OSM routing, but these roads enter and cross some of the most inhospitable mountainous terrain in the United States. Some, like the 101 mile long Magruder Corridor ( https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5109483.pdf ) are only open a few months of the year,

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Evin Fairchild
What?! I haven't contradicted myself at all. I already said in my initial response (the one that I sent to only you by mistake) that in cases where there's an at grade intersection sandwiched in between two interchanges, the road should be marked as trunk in between. Other than that case, a road

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:02 PM Evin Fairchild wrote: > Nobody is saying that we should tag as motorways a road with a surface > intersection. I don't understand what it is that we're saying that's > causing you to come to that conclusion. We are simply saying that the > first surface

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Mike N
On 11/28/2018 10:36 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: Adding the intersection did not change the character of the road south of the Gilcrease extension or the rights of adjacent landowners, so I don't see any particular reason to reclassify that segment. If we're looking for a generalized rule,

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In California some roads have signs that say “End Freeway”, about 1/2 mile before the first intersection, eg I-8 in San Diego. On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 1:04 PM Evin Fairchild wrote: > Nobody is saying that we should tag as motorways a road with a surface > intersection. I don't understand what it

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Evin Fairchild
Nobody is saying that we should tag as motorways a road with a surface intersection. I don't understand what it is that we're saying that's causing you to come to that conclusion. We are simply saying that the first surface intersection that a road comes across is where the motorway should change

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:36 PM Nathan Mills wrote: > Unless there have been significant changes since I moved away, it should > be tagged motorway between the IDL and the light at Apache/Gilcrease > Extension. Before the Gilcrease was extended west of US-75, the Tisdale > should have been

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Nathan Mills
Unless there have been significant changes since I moved away, it should be tagged motorway between the IDL and the light at Apache/Gilcrease Extension. Before the Gilcrease was extended west of US-75, the Tisdale should have been tagged entirely as motorway. Adding the intersection did not

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:00 PM Evin Fairchild wrote: > I think you're misrepresenting the discussion. People are simply saying > that the motorway destination should extend all the way to the first at > grade intersection, rather than the interchange prior to the at grade > intersection.

[Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Evin Fairchild
-- Forwarded message - From: Evin Fairchild Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway To: Paul Johnson I think you're misrepresenting the discussion. People are simply saying that the motorway destination should extend all the way to the

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Bryan Housel
Can’t a motorway begin or end at an at-grade intersection though? What you did by classifying it “trunk” back to the Apache Street interchange just looks weird. Sorry, but I have to disagree, and would leave it as a motorway up to Gilcrease, then trunk beyond that point. For comparison, our

[Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
Can I get some voice of reason in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/64919426? There seems to be quite a few people (and one AARoads forum troll egging it on) that are trying to propel the idea that motorways have at-grade intersections, which is obviously incorrect.

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 2:51 PM Eric H. Christensen wrote: > On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:49 AM, Martijn van Exel > wrote: > > > I think you are right. It would be good if we can arrive at a common > > prefix and document it on the wiki. 'FS' makes sense. Perhaps even a new > > page

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 3:58 AM Minh Nguyen wrote: > On 2018-11-20 08:57, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > When I map these roads I include the FS number (just the number) as a > > ref, since that is how they are signposted in the field. > > I think the ref tag on the ways should have a prefix and

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:49 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > I think you are right. It would be good if we can arrive at a common > prefix and document it on the wiki. 'FS' makes sense. Perhaps even a new >

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2018-11-28 06:49, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:07:45 -0800 Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2018-11-28 01:57, Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2018-11-20 08:57, Martijn van Exel wrote: When I map these roads I include the FS number (just the number) as a ref, since that is how they are

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:07:45 -0800 Minh Nguyen wrote: > On 2018-11-28 01:57, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > On 2018-11-20 08:57, Martijn van Exel wrote: > >> When I map these roads I include the FS number (just the number) > >> as a ref, since that is how they are signposted in the field. > > > >

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

2018-11-28 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2018-11-28 01:57, Minh Nguyen wrote: On 2018-11-20 08:57, Martijn van Exel wrote: When I map these roads I include the FS number (just the number) as a ref, since that is how they are signposted in the field. I think the ref tag on the ways should have a prefix and not just consist of a