Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

t 3:15 PM Evin Fairchild > wrote: > > > > We've always tagged non interstate freeways as motorways. They are often > designed to interstate standards and there is literally no distinction > between them and interstate freeways except that there's no interstate > shield. >

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

Oh lol, I didn't even realize my phone autocorrected trunk to Trump. Oops! xD On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 12:21 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 3:15 PM Evin Fairchild > wrote: > > Many of his downgrading from Trump to primary were completely > unjustified. &g

Re: [Talk-us] Recent Trunk road edits

We've always tagged non interstate freeways as motorways. They are often designed to interstate standards and there is literally no distinction between them and interstate freeways except that there's no interstate shield. As for Floridaeditor's edits, I noticed him doing this awhile ago, but

Re: [Talk-us] place=neighborhood on subdivisions?

I totally agree with Minh here. I always thought that it was standard parctice in OSM to add the name tag to a landuse=residential way that encompasses the subdivision. Subdivision names aren't always used in common parlance (especially if it's a smaller subdivision) so most people wouldn't

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest refs/names

I'm also in favor of this change. It's a route number, so it only should be in the ref tag. This will make Forest service roads more consistent with other numbered routes. Even though most, if not all, Forest service roads don't have a name but just a number, I still am in favor of this. I was a

Re: [Talk-us] fake mapping

Could you provide a link to the area you're referring to? Thanks, Evin On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 3:27 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > just to be safe i went to a pre-edit location, less than 5 miles 2 hours > by public transportation. > > the satellite view was

Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway?

Totally agree, memorial highway names should be under the official_name=* tag. Usually nobody calls roads by their memorial name. -Evin On Tue, May 26, 2020, 1:56 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Only real, current features should be mapped, but it's possible to add > "official names" even if they

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

Okay, this is going to be a long message, but I’d strongly suggest you read ALL of it before responding. I’d first like to address the assumption that some people seem to have that those who support using trunk on roads other than divided highways are “tagging for the renderer” because we

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

Those roads in northern CA were tagged as trunk long after NE2 was banned from editing OSM. Also US 101 in Washington was tagged as trunk two years ago, and it doesn't bother me enough for me to change it back to primary. On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 4:58 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 16,

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

Well I think Alaska is kind of an exception to the rest of the US given that there are no intercity freeways due to lack of demand. It's more equivalent to western Canada in that regard. Personally I think US highways should be tagged as trunk roads in most cases but that's an entirely different

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

Totally agree. Since Alaska doesn't have any freeways outside of Anchorage, these roads are the most important roads in the state and should be tagged as trunk. -Evin (compdude) On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 4:20 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I would use highway=trunk the whole way for consistency. In

Re: [Talk-us] Historic 66 as highway=trunk in OK

I totally agree with this! As I've stated before, I've long thought that most US highways should be tagged as trunk roads. Heck, someone recently tagged US 101 in Washington as trunk but I have no interest in changing it back because I agree with the way it's tagged. That would be more in line

Re: [Talk-us] Is there any value at all in tiger:MTFCC and tiger:FUNCSTAT tags?

Weird. I've never seem any of these TIGER tags in Washington state. -Evin On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 8:58 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > Mar 25, 2019, 4:19 PM by matkoni...@tutanota.com: > > I encountered this tags some time ago and seem to be popular, imported, > useless > and without clear

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway

Links please? On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 3:06 PM Paul Johnson > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 5:04 PM Evin Fairchild wrote: > >> You are proving my point once again re misrepresentation of what we're >> saying. It would only be accurate for you to say that we're going against

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway

Can you provide changesets showing where NE2 mass edited motorways in the way you're describing? On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 3:02 PM Paul Johnson > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:58 PM Thomas Silas wrote: > >> As for the situation in question: I agree with the vast majority of the >> posters both in the

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway

frustrated with the way you're deliberately misrepresenting this discussion, so frankly I'm going to bow out since I don't know what else to say to convince you to change your opinion on this issue. On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 2:55 PM Paul Johnson On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:30 PM Evin Fairchild wrote

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway

Once again, I see you're misrepresenting the discussion and trying to make us look like a bunch of idiots for not accepting your way of doing things. There's no way you're so dense as to assume that because we pretty much all want the motorway designation to extend all the way to the first at

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

should be motorway all the way to the at-grade intersection, as is the case with the Tisdale Parkway. On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 8:11 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 10:02 PM Evin Fairchild > wrote: > >> Nobody is saying that we should tag as motorways a road

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

Nobody is saying that we should tag as motorways a road with a surface intersection. I don't understand what it is that we're saying that's causing you to come to that conclusion. We are simply saying that the first surface intersection that a road comes across is where the motorway should change

[Talk-us] Fwd: Trunk versus motorway

-- Forwarded message - From: Evin Fairchild Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Trunk versus motorway To: Paul Johnson I think you're misrepresenting the discussion. People are simply saying that the motorway destination should extend all the way

Re: [Talk-us] Forest Routes

Worth noting that most people just call them forest service roads. I've never heard anyone call them "forest highways." On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 9:27 AM Max Erickson As other have mentioned, there are many numbered roads managed by the > USFS. They range in development from closed, abandoned log

Re: [Talk-us] Naming numbered roads as "State Route X", "Interstate X", etc.

Yeah, I agree, it is redundant and thus completely unnecessary to put the highway number in the name tag. Have you informed SSR_317 about this discussion? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 7:09 PM Albert Pundt wrote: > I notice the user SSR_317 has been adding the route numbers of unnamed > roads to

Re: [Talk-us] ref=* tags on links

en a route exits off a freeway to get the route number to render, and I'm not exactly fond of that practice. -Evin (compdude) On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 10:57 AM OSM Volunteer stevea < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > > Evin Fairchild wrote > > The only way you can get people to st

Re: [Talk-us] Shaped highway shields - trying to revive

Really glad to see that someone is reviving this and actually taking the step to get it rendered. Frankly, I never understood why Phil didn't do this in the first place. I even mentioned this to him at the time (can't remember his response though). -Evin (compdude) On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 2:21 PM

Re: [Talk-us] ref=* tags on links

The only way you can get people to stop putting reg tags on ways and only put them on relations is if the renderer actually rendered reg tags from relations. Currently it doesn't do this, so it's impractical for people to do what you're suggesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, don't tag for the

Re: [Talk-us] named links

There are some cases where naming link roads makes sense. For example, I tag the roads coming out of roundabouts as link roads (especially if it's something like a residential road intersecting, a note important road like a secondary road, and I tag the slip roads for that leg of the roundabout as

Re: [Talk-us] Prospect Mountain Interchange Reconfiguration, Binghamton NY

You're welcome. I don't think that was the I-81/I-86 interchange that NYSDOT was referring to, but yeah, I figured it ought to be fixed. I'm pretty sure NYSDOT is referring to the T-interchange a few miles NW of the one I just edited. Since I live on the other side of the country, fixing that one

Re: [Talk-us] note to armchair mappers about NYS routes & ref tags

These unsigned reference route numbers probably should use the unsigned_ref=* tag. Seems like the best compromise. -Evin (compdude) On Nov 29, 2017 6:24 PM, "Richard Welty" wrote: > i have spotted what appears to be an armchair mapper making an > inappropriate > set of

Re: [Talk-us] Multipolygonizing

Yeah, using multipolygons for everything is quite overkill, and it certainly does overcomplicate things, and not just for new users, but for experienced users as well. I mean, if it requires some plugin that I've never heard of in JOSM to easily edit it, then it's too complicated. I typically

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

You clearly haven't driven on US 97. It's a fairly busy road with a good amount of truck traffic and lots of little towns along it. That was my experience when I drove it. It goes thru central Oregon, which is arid, but not totally desolate. There was PLENTY of cars going in the other direction.

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

e two by using trunk to mean > non-motorway divided (or similar) preserves long-standing practice and > generally seems like a good thing to me. > > -Nathan > > On October 14, 2017 11:18:43 PM EDT, Evin Fairchild <evindf...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I'm amazed tha

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

2017 at 9:43 PM, Evin Fairchild <evindf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Oct 14, 2017 5:41 PM, "Paul Johnson" <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: >> >> Or, map it cleanly to limited access expressways and super2s. I really >> think peo

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

and their importance in a region's highway network. On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Evin Fairchild <evindf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Oct 14, 2017 5:41 P

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

On Oct 14, 2017 5:41 PM, "Paul Johnson" <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Evin Fairchild <evindf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Oct 14, 2017 4:25 PM, "Paul Johnson" <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: > > > &

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

On Oct 14, 2017 4:25 PM, "Paul Johnson" <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Evin Fairchild <evindf...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 14, 2017 2:04 PM, "Wolfgang Zenker" <wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org> > wrote: > > Hi

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

On Oct 14, 2017 2:04 PM, "Wolfgang Zenker" wrote: Hi, it looks to me that this discussion is going in circles, not forward at the moment. IMHO it does not make a lot of sense to argue what might be the true meaning of "trunk". Instead, we should concentrate on what it

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

As I said previously, and I think it bears repeating, it's very easy to tell if a trunk is divided or undivided when you look at US or Canada at zoom 5 on the standard layer. Divided trunks show up as a thicker line than undivided trunks. Also worth noting that Google maps doesn't display divided

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

s on how third-party apps use the data. In > regard to the trunk debate, I understand and fully respect Paul's > position, but I personally disagree. I'm hoping the debate here will > encourage the US OSM community in getting closer to an agreeable > definition for trunk. > >

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

To add onto what Bradley was saying about third-party applications, I just want to add that I've done some fact-checking about a claim that Paul made in a previous email about how Osmand renders trunks under the assumption that they are expressways (to be clear, by this I mean divided highways w/

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

PM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Evin Fairchild <evindf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Another thing worth adding is that if we do decide to tag two-lane roads >> as trunk, you will still be able to tell the undiv

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

Another thing worth adding is that if we do decide to tag two-lane roads as trunk, you will still be able to tell the undivided two-lane roads apart from the divided four-lane roads, even at zoom 5. I'm sure many of you have noticed if you've looked at Canada at zoom 5, you can see that some of

Re: [Talk-us] Trunk

On Oct 13, 2017 7:11 PM, "Bradley White" wrote: Lots of words ahead, you have been warned... I disagree with trying to use the "highway=" tag to describe what "kind" of road a given way is in the US, except for freeways. The "highway" key is for importance, or, how

Re: [Talk-us] South Carolina State Highways - primary overload

I think the reason why things like this happen is because the highway tagging scheme in OSM was modeled off of UK's road-classification system and really isn't compatible with the road-classification system in the US. When I was new here three years ago, I found it kind of odd that there wasn't a

Re: [Talk-us] a reminder for armchair mappers

Putting notes in the tags may be helpful, but in the simple tagging mode in P2 (does anyone still use that? I do, b/c I don't like iD), you can't see them and some mapper might not get the message in the note. Personally, pretty much all my edits are armchair mapping, but it's generally in my

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

Re the comment by Nathan: “I'm still confused as to why the consumers of a relation can't use the forward/backward roles…” The forward/backward roles only make sense on one-way roads. Other than that, which way is forward and which way is backward? Depends on which way you’re driving down the

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

Shouldn't we be discussing this on the tagging mailing list rather than the talk-us mailing list? After all, ferries are all around the world, so we should discuss this at the tagging mailing list rather than here if we want to introduce a new highway=ferry_link tag. -Compdude From: Ivan

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

To: talk-us Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Ferries Probably, but in this conversation's defense, Washington State has the world's largest ferry fleet by far, so it's much more a Washingtonism than anything. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com wrote: Shouldn't we

Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping

Agreed, it's really important that when people make a road be dual-carriageway that they change the lane count and make sure both directions have the applicable route relations. -Compdude From: James Mast [mailto:rickmastfa...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 6:47 PM To:

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

...@ursamundi.org wrote: Probably, but in this conversation's defense, Washington State has the world's largest ferry fleet by far, so it's much more a Washingtonism than anything. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com wrote: Shouldn't we be discussing

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Martijn van Exel marti...@telenav.comwrote: Evin - a footway would not affect our routing results as those would only include ways navigable by motorized vehicles. Or perhaps I am not understanding what you did. Clifford - this would hopefully also answer

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.comwrote: Interesting idea, but since there's not a whole ton of ferry terminals worldwide, I don't know if it would be worthwhile to create a whole new highway=* tag just for this. I don't really mind the service=ferry tag

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.comwrote: When I made relations for all the state highways in Washington, I included the ferry routes and the ferry access roads in the highway route relation. I also

Re: [Talk-us] Freeway directions

This is not a concern in WA, there's no state highways that have the same number as US or Interstate highways. -compdude On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Eric Fischer e...@pobox.com wrote: California gives State, US, and Interstate roads unique signed numbers within the state, but not all

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

When I made relations for all the state highways in Washington, I included the ferry routes and the ferry access roads in the highway route relation. I also have done some edits to ferry terminals, adding a way for each lane in the ferry waiting lot. This was previously done at some ferry

Re: [Talk-us] Complex intersection mapping

I too prefer the after pattern since it is easier to do, especially when you are making a road be dual-carriageway by using the parallel way feature in Potlatch 2. Also, it matches the way it is on the ground better. Since there seems to be unanimous agreement to map intersections this way, then

Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?

In a conversation with a King County (Washington) employee, we discussed his project to create tiles from OSM to use as basemaps for King County and hopefully others. While he doesn't need our tile server, the shields would really enhance the basemaps. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Evin

Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?

this. Best luck in getting all the county highway shields to render; be glad you won't have any from my corner of this great nation! On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com [2013-10-10 09:22 -0700]: Okay, thanks for letting me know. So

[Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?

Hello, I was just wondering what's been going on with rendering the highway shields. I haven't heard anything about it for a while. The last time anything was mentioned about this was in late-July when it was announced that the tiles were put up on the OSM-US server--and that was only meant to be

Re: [Talk-us] the Battle Grid

How do I get involved in this Editathon? I would really like to participate. Thanks, Compdude On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: Martijn, For the upcoming #Editathon, we plan to fix road alignment in Washington State. Eric Fischer pointed me to your

Re: [Talk-us] osm data on boston.com, perhaps, definitely not atttributed

Seems like this is something that really needs to be fixed. It sure seems dumb that there no attribution to OSM when you embed an OSM map on another webpage. -Compdude On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: I've changed a web page from using an embedded Google

Re: [Talk-us] Adventure Cycling article (OSM in the media)

That's nice. If I had never read that article in the paper about OSM three years ago, I would not be here! -Compdude On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:39 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: Well, this newsletter/blog entry by Adventure Cycling Association is pretty cool:

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

It seems like shields for spur Washington State Hwys aren't rendering. I thought they were, but now it seems that they aren't. For example, WA 110 has a spur route that goes to the north of Quillayute (Quileute) River, but the shield for the spur route isn't showing up. (see link below) I created

Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!

These shields look really great! They're much better than what we had before. Now this will give me a good reason to create relations for highways, since many highways in Washington state are lacking in relations. And, sorry if I sound impatient, but when will the shields be up on the main OSM

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

So basically, these super-2 roads should be tagged as motorways instead of primary or trunk? That would be fine with me. Even though I have changed roads like these back to primary when someone had changed them to motorway, I only did that because I thought motorway was not supposed to be used

Re: [Talk-us] Route relation pages

I get that you say that keeping wiki pages up to date with the status of route relations is a pain, but I do hope that this new form of tagging routes will get explained on the wiki. The wiki is really useful (even with experienced mappers like me) as documentation for how to use tags, and it’s

Re: [Talk-us] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly

Yeah, and you guys beat me to it! -Compdude From: Clifford Snow [mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 4:37 PM Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Google Maps being praised for removing I-5 colasped bridge quickly Let's

Re: [Talk-us] King County, Washington authorization

So what data does this include exactly? Parks? Roads? What? -Compdude From: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 12:42 PM To: OpenStreetMap US Talk; impo...@openstreetmap.org; osm-seat...@googlegroups.com Subject: [Talk-us] King County, Washington

Re: [Talk-us] redundant tagging on relations and member ways

My guess is that people are doing that because in Potlatch 2, when you put tags into just a relation, it doesn’t render in Potlatch the same way that it does if you put the same tags into a way. Let me explain what I mean. For example if you want to make multipolygon relation for a lake, when

Re: [Talk-us] Duplicate state parks in California

The way I see it is that a state park ought to be tagged as a plain-old park, not a national park. The national park tag is for national parks. Pretty self-explanatory. -Compdude -Original Message- From: AJ Ashton [mailto:aj.ash...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:54 PM To:

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

The newer TIGER 2011 data is a BIG improvement over the original TIGER data that was put in the US. When the roads for Columbia, SC are deleted by the license bot, someone could go in and upload the TIGER 2011 data for Columbia. Of course, things like footways and parks may be deleted as well,

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

If people don't want to do the TIGER fixup all over again, they could import the TIGER 2011 data which is of MUCH better quality than the TIGER data that was originally imported into OSM (though not quite perfect). In fact, I sometimes use the TIGER data overlay to get the names of roads that